The Eric Metaxas Show - Larry Taunton

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

Larry Taunton returns to discuss the master chess moves of Trump as Daddy.

Welcome to the Eric Metaxas show. I shouldn't tell you this, but Eric hired someone who sounds just like him to host today's show. But since I'm the announcer, they told me, so I'm telling you, don't be fooled. The real Eric's in jail. Folks, welcome to Wednesday, the 25th of, I believe it's June. My staff says June, and I rely on my staff. Wednesday, June 25th, it's my joy to speak with our first. friend Larry Taunton. Larry, welcome back. How are you, buddy? Well, you know, the standard response

should be, I'm blessed, because I am blessed. Everything that's going on, I could say all kinds of things, but I know that I'm blessed, so I'll say I'm blessed. The news is moving so fast that by the time we aired this, things have changed or might have changed, so we can't really talk in anything but generalities, but generalities can be important. So what do you want to talk about first? Well, you know, something that immediately comes to my mind is just Donald Trump. And, you know, for a guy, I don't know of any individual who has been attacked more than him. And I'm not speaking in hyperbole. I mean, I've never seen a human being be the target. target of such just withering, unrelenting attacks on every front. And whether it's media,

whether it's impeachments, whether it's, you know, false accusations, Russia collusion, getting shot in the head, the guy just keeps going. And it's, it's pretty amazing. Well, look, I've said it before. I believe he is anointed by God. God's hand is on him. His gifts are from God. You know, they're on loan from God. He is an extraordinary individual, the way that George Washington and Lincoln were extraordinary individuals who are teed up by God for this time in history. It's there, there is not a day that passes that I'm not staggered by any number of things with the president. His gifting, his energy, his steely spine in the face of what you just described as withering criticism, this is amazing.

But you know, Larry, I'll say it because I don't know that anybody said it recently. Whether Trump knows it or not, but I think now he does, we're in a spiritual battle. And so when you stand up for anything that's right and good and true, the dark side hates you. And so you get this, it looks like irrational hatred. When you ask people, what's your problem with Trump? They start sputtering. They can barely say or they say things that are just silly or beside the point. It's really fascinating because if you're trying to solve for X, you know, it's a clean, algebraic problem.

what is X. You don't get a clean X. When you ask people, can you tell me, put this aside and that aside, what is here? What is the main? There's this ire that seems to come from nowhere. And I think in part it's because Trump stands, for example, as a strong man. He's not a weak man. He's not a I mean, that that flies in the face of the Jezebelic spirit of our time. Trump is a one-man rebuke to that Jezebelic spirit. And it's not that Trump is himself the rebuke, but it's God through Trump, you know, warring with, you know, what I've called the Jezebelic Spirit, a Spirit of the Age, the zeitgeist. So people have this visceral hatred and horror of him. And they attack him, as you said, and it's a Trumpian phrase, like nobody's ever been attacked.

So it's, but it's so fascinating. Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely correct. And it goes to show you also, you know, we we like to say those of us who are conservatives that, you know, nobody's really listening to mainstream media anymore. But that isn't true. when it comes right down to it, media propaganda, the steady drip of propaganda does work. And it's worked with Trump, at least to this degree, so that there are people, just as you say, who just at the mere mention of his name, they've been conditioned by media to have this Pavlovian, you know, response to him. You know, I was just looking at a tweet by Stephen King.

I mean, Stephen King is, I don't, I haven't, I haven't really read his books and I can't claim to know him. But my sense is that he's been a very, very talented guy. If the films, like say Green Mile, Shawshank Redemption are in any way actually reflective of his writing, there's some profundity in what the man has had to say. Wait a minute. Are you saying Koojo and Tzu? children of the corn are not profound. Is that what you're saying, Larry? Please continue. Thank you very much. Well, I'm not familiar with those. I didn't watch those. But my point is simply to say that here's a guy who's been reduced to, you know, kind of like, oh, I've forgotten his name, the guy who used to be on ESPN and who

referred to himself on David Letterman as a chandelier. You know, I can't remember his name. Anyway, it'll it'll come to me. But, but I just think he's been reduced to just a, almost like a caricature. He just is spewing hate just constantly on Twitter. And I'm thinking, where,

where's the rational Stephen King who has this powerful redemption stories? Okay. This, But this reminds me, C.S. Lewis writes about this. I think, uh,

in the great divorce, where, or maybe, No, it's probably in one of his essays where somebody becomes just a grumble. In other words, something, it's kind of like the unmaking of the human soul and that you become less and less of a full person. And you just become a kind of ghost, a kind of grumble. You become this sort of like, it's almost like you're reduced to greasy smoke. that's it seems to me somehow that that's part of what you're talking about, at least as I hear it.

Yeah, I think that's, I think that's right. And it's what's happened there with him. And again, I wish I could think of this, this guy who, you know, had his own TV anyway. It doesn't matter. Another thing that's gone on here on my end, we got to get her on your show, is we just hosted, and I did an interview with Jennifer Pounds, who is known as Data Republican. Have you seen her? Are you familiar with her? No. What is the name?

Data Republican is the name that she goes by online. And it used to be that was how she was known, just period, because she was trying to preserve her anonymity, but then she was doxed. And I've gotten to know her because there's kind of a little group of us that when you've been swatted, as I have, this group reaches out to you and says, you know, welcome, join us. And she's a part of that group because she was doxed. And I put out on Twitter, you know, who should we host next? We've hosted everybody from Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchis, Eric Mataxis, a variety of people,

who should be next? And she raised her hand and said, me. So she came down here. She's 100% deaf, which is very unique. She came here with her interpreter. and I was thinking, Eric, I'm not sure how this is going to go because I've never done an interview, you know, like this before. She's a fascinating woman. I mean this in a positive way, not a belittling way, when I compare her to Rain Man in the sense that this is a woman who has had to live kind of in her own world due to the fact that she was born, or at least perhaps shortly after birth, totally lost her here.

and she's a data engineer and she has. Oh, data, D-A-T-A. Yes, excuse me, if it came out something. I thought you might have meant D-A-D-A-D-A like, you know, Dada, the art form of the 20th century, data, D-A-T-A. So she is D-A-Rubbican, D-A-T-A-Rubbican. Yeah, and she pushes it together as, you know, as one name. But she's a really remarkable woman, and I've really appreciated her work.

as complimenting my own because, as you know, I've gone after with boots on the ground, USAID. And what she does is this is a woman who has a skill set, totally different from mine and totally different from yours. She, as a data engineer, can ferret out and find where the money is going. Okay, hold it right there. Going to a break, folks, talking to Larry Taunton, this is important. Don't go away. Ingredients. When I flip a container around and I can't pronounce or recognize the ingredients. I put it back. That's why you'll find balance of nature's fruits and veggie supplements on a shelf in my home because every single ingredient is a fruit or veggie plucked from the soil. No binders, no additives or artificial colors, no fillers,

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individual whose skill set is such that she is able to create tools, you know, computer search engine type tools where she is able to find where money is going. So Elon Musk and Doge reached out to her, tried to hire her. She politely declined the offer because they really couldn't afford her with, you know, with government money. But she nonetheless has done the work anyway. And she's become a great threat to the left. They, of course, want to stop her doing what she's doing because she is showing the corruption.

She is shining a light on the corruption. And I just want to say this at a person. level. I enjoyed her. She's a very pleasant woman, her interpreter. But we got to get her on your show sometime. You'll have to, I'm sure they'll help you with how that will flow. But she's a very, very interesting woman. And I really appreciate the work she's doing. And it was fun having her here with us. But you said that the work she's doing, because this is part of the thing, the news is moving so fast. Who knows what's going on today while we're talking here or what has already happened today. But we speed from thing to thing. For example, we had Doge happening.

That was in the news. I assume that's still happening. We've got, we're dealing with, you know, deporting illegals. There's so much happening. Is it your sense that the Doge stuff continues at any particular speed or depth? I mean, I hope so. Yeah, I think so. I think with Musk moving away from it back to, you know, the private sector, there will be, you know, with his personality away from it, I think there will be a lot less, you know, focus on it in the news. But I think that work continues and certainly that a Republican is continuing what she's doing. And this is a stuff that has to be exposed because what has been happening within our government, you know, the deep state is real. And when we talk about deep state, some people think, oh, you know, this is some kind of conspiracy

theory. All we mean when we say what I mean when I say deep state is I mean a permanent, unelected, corrupt bureaucracy that seeks to govern behind the scenes. And I think successive presidents, both Democrat and Republican, have known this. and have decided to sort of quietly go along because it wasn't a battle they wanted to fight. And Trump has come in and said, nope, going to fight that battle. And we're going to expose all of the corruption that is going on here. So now we're learning of, you know, Nancy Pelosi, you know, making hundreds of millions of dollars just last year through insider trading and various other members of our government. what USAID has been doing, funding terrorism, funding the invasion of the United States.

All this stuff has to continue, but it's one battle at a time. And we know that right now that the president of the United States, by the time this airs, who knows where we'll be, but he's trying to prevent an actual battle, you know, the continuation of war between Iran and Israel. but I've appreciated the way that, you know, here he is six months into his first term, roughly, and he's doing a great job. I don't think great is sufficient to care. I mean, his, what he's doing is utterly unprecedented. Yeah, you really have to go back to Lincoln or George Washington. And you can even argue that, you know, George Washington, it's not like he was a great president. He was a great man. He's one of the greatest Americans. if not the greatest who's ever lived. But in terms of what you do as president,

I've never seen anything like what we're seeing right now. We're seeing him going, taking on entrenched. I mean, you know, I would argue that Washington did it in the war. Washington did it in the revolution, taking on the entrenched, corrupt, wicked tyranny of the British. But of course, we now have that in our own government over the decades. It's grown and grown and grown. I remember when I heard the term deep state, Larry, do you understand that we're talking about

four years ago, one and a half years ago? And when I heard, I was like, what? I don't know. I don't know. Well, it didn't take long for me to figure out, son of a gun. This is absolutely real. Most of us have been utterly blind to it. Now we're waking up and waking up and waking up.

and we are undoing it by the grace of God, but there's so much that needs to be done. I mean, your work with USAID, I mean, they've been using our tax payers money. This is the definition of wickedness and corruption, using our money against us. Wow, wow, amazing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely amazing and shameless.

I mean, these are people who, even when it's exposed, it's clear they just don't care. They think they have that right to do that. The utter arrogance. And as I keep pointing out to people, and of course you know this, Eric, we're not just talking about Democrats. I always say, you know, when we're talking Democrats, we mean this country. But we're talking about globalists.

We're talking about a global left. And I don't know if I've mentioned this to you before, but the way I ended up at the World Economic Forum, And then USAID, as I decided in 2019, I believe, when the whole debate over the border was, you know, was really kind of, you know, really ramping up as I thought, you know, I want to go as I do, as you know that I do. I decided before I write on this and I begin to do interviews on shows like yours about the border, about immigration, I would go and take a gander at it, you know, myself. I would go see. And what I thought would be a one-off, you know, I would go to South America, Central America, became, you know, I don't know, maybe 15 trips south of the border. And then the next thing I know I'm following these migrant caravans, then I'm seeing USAID, which I knew very little about, facilitating the invasion of America while taking a public position that they were trying to do the

opposite. Then I saw they were working with the DeGolfo cartel. Then I saw that they were using 25 NGOs in order to do all this. Then I began to realize the World Economic Forum was involved. Then I began to see that USAID was involved in, I mean, meaning I went down a rabbit hole and I just keep going. And you just keep finding more and more and more corruption. And this is the kind of stuff that Democrats have been getting away with for a long time. They're globalist allies, and they don't want it exposed.

Hence the reason I was swatted, hence the reason. that the Egyptian secret police tried to off me. It's all unbelievable. And even I've come to the conclusion that the word corruption doesn't do justice to the evil about which we're speaking. It is so foul. It is so wicked.

It really is wicked. And at the heart of it, and you talked about this, the shamelessness, there is an outrageous contempt for human beings, for the American voter. Like, they're just suckers and they should just shut up and we're going to rule them. It is so despicable and so evil that I think it has taken many of us time to take it in, to apprehend the breadth of it or the depth of it.

And we're really only beginning to as it comes out more and more and more and more, that there would be people who would dare to steal an election. you think that can't that's not going to happen in america folks that's not going to happen well it certainly looks like it has and every day more information comes out and so there are people waking up who sneered at the idea um if anybody talked about it as i did um or that any of this stuff exists and and you know you talk about trump taking it on uh to some extent the kennedy's took it on but i argue that they took it on in their own strength they didn't have gods covering and if you go up against these thrones and principalities in your own strength, you will be killed.

That's my thesis. Seems like a pretty good thesis. Yeah. I mean, there seems to be a lot of historical validity, you know, as it relates to these kinds of things. And boy, the importance, it's interesting. I was having a conversation with a friend last night who does what we do and is well known. And we were talking about the importance of going into. battle with the full armor of God and how I in my own life, you know, on occasion didn't. And

you're no match for the devil. You're just no match for the devil. And we are definitely, this isn't a battle. It's a, it's a war. It's a long spiritual war that we're engaged in, good versus evil. That's where I come out. And I began to see this clearly. you know, when the election was stolen, when we had the COVID authoritarianism, I thought, what is this? What is this? And the more that came out, the more I thought, if you're not a believer in the God of the Bible, you will become one if you are interested in reality. As you look at reality, you look around, you try to make sense of it, you say, what can account for this? This is not logical. What is this? And a lot of people suddenly start saying,

yet, you know what? It smells like evil. And I wouldn't have used that term. But what other term do you have. We'll be right back, folks, talking to Larry Taunton. Tell me how long you did Joe. Welcome back talking to Larry Taunton. Larry, just to finish the point I was making is that what we've been seeing in the last four years, I think a lot of people, myself included, have woken up to this new reality where you realize that you've missed a lot. You haven't really seen what's going on behind the scenes. Typically, people such as we would say, well, those are conspiracy theories. Let's live in the

real world. And then you begin to see that, no, no, no, a lot of this is real. And I haven't been able to take it in or the world hasn't been willing to talk about it, but more people are talking about it. And you begin to see something that you have no other way to describe it. You say, this is evil. This is not just a political problem. There's evil here. And it reminds me of a book. It was written in 1967. I read it in 1988 by M. Scott Peck. He's famous for his book. He was a Christian. He wrote a book called The Road Less Traveled, but his less famous book is People of the Lie. And he talks about he's a Harvard psychiatrist who in his practice in the 1960s, he would get these cases as a psychiatrist that had no, there was no way that secular psychiatry could

account for what he was seeing. And he eventually came around to say some of these cases, there was no other explanation, but to say that this is evil, that this was demonic evil that he was seeing working in people's lives. Again, you're solving for X, and you say nothing else makes sense. And I think that's been happening in the last few years. People like Tucker Carlson and others have seen that there is no rational, political, secular way to describe this. This is something beyond that. We're dealing with evil. And at the heart of all of this stuff is evil. And it's why you and I would say you better put on the full armor of God. You better have people praying for you because in the natural, you get killed one way or the other, whether literally or figuratively,

you can't win against the devil. You have to give yourself over to God and allow him to fight the battle through you or you're cooked. Yeah, well, I certainly agree with that, Eric, because, you know, it's fascinating to me that what we are encounter, these days. Let's take, for instance, these protesters, these paid protesters, the things that they are doing, it's not just simply that they're causing chaos, it's that the things they're doing are just out and out evil. I mean, the destruction of property, violence in the streets, promoting evil, you know, of every kind. I've been, I've been somewhat amused that in recent days there's been all this talk of, we all

need to be aware of, you know, Iranian sleeper cells. Iranian sleeper cells are among us. Maybe they are, but are we all supposed to be afraid that they're going to riot? They're going to burn cities. They're going to open our borders. They're going to rig elections. They're going to put criminals back out on the streets. They're going to mutilate and kill children. Democrats are already doing all of that. I mean, the Democrat Party is just one giant sleeper cell. I mean, they're the sleeper cell, and they're the ones that we need to primarily be concerned about. That's a big statement, but that's correct, because all of this violence that's going on could be stopped in five minutes, if not for evil lunatics, like the mayor of Chicago, for example. evil lunatics like Governor Newsom, like Mayor Bass of Los Angeles. These people are aiding and abetting

evil, criminality, violence. It's fascinating to live in times like these. Yeah, and something that I intend to write on at some point. I'm still trying to formulate my thoughts on this, but there are those major operators, but in between, it's kind of like with the Holocaust, there are these minor players who aren't necessarily, you know, they're not committing, you know, they're not pulling the trigger and they're not the one setting things on fire, but it's this kind of indifferent bureaucracy that enables all of it. And there's great evil in that too, because it requires you to have just such casual indifference to people, to their needs. Yeah.

So the fact that it's their tax dollars that they have a right to, let's say, have their property restored or their city rebuilt after the wildfires or, you know, in Maui or in Los Angeles or after the hurricane in North Carolina, just a casual indifference. Just don't care. Well, that's what's so extraordinary. They don't seem to care, and it's hard to believe that people who have that kind of power wouldn't care, but they don't care. They're out of touch. And they are hurting their citizens, the citizens that have ostensibly elected them. So the question is, will enough people eventually wake up? I mean, in our, in New York City, the question, would we ever reelect, would we elect somebody like a Rudy Giuliani ever again, or even a Bloomberg, who is in many ways liberal, but somehow has a basis in reality? You kind of wonder where it goes.

What will happen to California? Is it possible? And I think, you know, I'll say this before we go to the break. I think by, with God, all things are possible. And so we have a duty to pray for our nation and to do what we can because God can turn things around. But in the natural, when you're looking at a state like California, the level of corruption has it gone so far that you can't pull it out. We have to see. Anyway, we're going to go to a break.

Folks, I'm talking to Larry Taunton. He oversees the Fix Point Foundation. We'll be right back. Larry Taunton. Larry, I just have to throw this in since we haven't touched on it. I posted some stuff, you know, about Israel and I think our obligation to stand with Israel on X. And I was really horrified by the foul anti-Semitic response that's. some of the people who responded to me. I just thought, this is so disgusting because I never

encounter these people, people who really believe that, you know, Israel, these are the Zionist puppet masters running the world. That is no different than what hardcore Nazis believed about the Jews. It is absolutely no different. It is so sick. And of course, some of these people think of themselves as Christians who say this kind of thing. It's just amazing to me. It's absolutely amazing to me that that really could be rearing its head again. Yeah, well, it is on a lighter note before we go to the really heavy stuff. I just want to say, I just want to say that I like your fake room behind you. I like it.

Fake. I don't know what you're talking about. It's 100% fake. It's as real as you or I. See, I can touch this hat. This hat is for real. I can't touch that hat because that hat's in Alabama, okay? The only thing I'm not sure that works is the blue neon lights and the windows, which makes the place from the outside look like a cheap vape shop in a strip mall.

But otherwise, otherwise. Thank you for hurting my feelings, man. I love those chairs. My wife, my wife put those lights up, okay? I want to see you go sit in one of those chairs right now. You're going to, you're going to, I'll take a, I'll take a photo after, after we would have. Yeah. We're going to put Eric in a hookah lounge the next time you come by.

All right, okay. So we better get serious. We better get serious. Go ahead. Go ahead. On a serious, serious. You got to leave that in there, though. That's good.

Don't you worry. We will. On the issue of antisemitism, there has been a startling. alarming rise in anti-Semitism online. And of course, beyond that, I will tell you, Eric, I don't know what your philosophy is as it relates to this, but I just block people right and left on X, on Twitter. I just block them right and left. And because part of the reason is because I'm not sure that I'm not engaging in an argument with a bot, meaning that I'm quite certain and a lot of bots have been deployed to give the impression of opinions being much more widely held than

they are in antisemitism being one of them. So, for example, I tweeted yesterday, I've been reading Benjamin Netanyahu's autobiography, which is really quite interesting. It's called BB. And I tweeted some positive comments about the book and about him. And immediately, I mean, like within seconds, boom. There were all these, you know, anti-Semitic remarks. And I thought, you know, those are bots.

Several of those are bots. But you and I grew up in a generation where we were taught the Holocaust, the evils of the Holocaust, the evils of fascism, of Nazism, of communism, of the story of the Jewish people who had to flee. And now we've got Candace Owens and Andrew Tate, you know, out there pushing, pushing. All right. First of all, Andrew Tate is a pig. He can repent, but he's disgusting.

Candice Owens baffles me utterly, because in so many ways, she's so wonderful. I've met her a number of times. I haven't followed her on this, but I do know that Dennis Prager, you know, about a year ago before he had his horrible fall, he at great length, I think it was 7,500 words, wrote about where she was wrong on all of this stuff, speaking, of course, as a Jew and for Jews,

it is baffling to me and dismaying that somebody like Candace Owens would say things like she said, or that Tucker Carlson, whom I love, would in some ways open the door to some of this kind of thing. I don't think he means to really, but I think we're just living in strange times. Well, Tucker's another issue because he is slowly drifted in that direction, you know, platforming a pseudo-historian named Daryl Cooper, who is a Nazi apologist, an unrepentant Nazi apologist. And Carlson promotes him and then says he's the best historian, you know, in America today, which is just absolutely ludicrous.

As an historian, I'm offended. Go ahead. But Candace Owens is in a very different place now than she was a year ago. A year ago or a year and a half ago, I would find myself, you know, cautiously saying, you know, how much I appreciated many of the things that she said and that she's very bright and she's a beautiful woman and she's just a little misguided here. She has now, you know, gone, you know, full anti-Semite. And it's quite alarming to see. it. She's also become, by the way, staunchly anti-Trump. But she's, here she is right now, you know, basically, you know, propping up, trying to prop up the Iranian regime. And it's,

it's really is, is, is, is, is quite interesting. And her colossal, colossal historical ignorance. I'm blown away. And there are these. elements on the so-called right. And I think, I think conservatives, particularly evangelicals, the kind of people who would watch your show, Eric, they need to be very wary of these people and these labels and to compare what they're saying back to the scriptures. Yeah. Well, people often say they're doing that and they're not. So it's not so simple because a lot of people read the scriptures differently, some correctly and some not so correctly. So it's complicated. Okay, we've just got seconds left.

So I'm just going to ask you just for fun. I'm heterosexual. Do you think, Candid, how did you know I was going to ask? Do you think that Candice Owens is correct about McCrone's wife, in fact, being a man? No. And I guess I sort of feel like, who cares? I mean, what does that have to do? I mean, you and I both know that.

Who cares? no, that's, it's kind of interesting. I think what does that have to do with, I mean, it would matter for Macron. It would matter for her, but I mean, what does that have to do with what's going on in the world right now? Why? Why expend so much energy on that? Yeah, she does. No, no, no.

Look, that's a separate issue. And fortunately for everyone, we're at a time. My friend Larry Taunton, thank you so much. Folks, welcome back talking to Colin Plume with Noble, Gold. And Colin, you know, you're sharing some stuff. I've shared on the program before about when you talk about something like silver, I tend not to think about this kind of thing because I think about, you know, silver coins. You know, Suzanne has a package in the mail of these beautiful silver coins that no gold sent us.

And I look at it and I think of it that way. But obviously, maybe not so obvious, silver is used in all kinds of applications. And so you're saying that because of that, it's going to increase in value. It's a good investment. And in your book, silver is the new oil. You talk about some of that. You were just mentioning some of those. Keep going on that. Yeah, so industrial demand 10 years ago to today, they have double the amount of industrial uses for silver than from 10 years ago. So there's just so many industries that are gobbling up silver that need it, including the government, including defense. The government,

actually last year bought $400 million in silver and about $100 million in gold. It was a four to one ratio. So they bought more silver than gold because they used silver, drones, warheads, all of these things. They actually, I tried to find it in my book, but I couldn't find anybody that would tell me how much silver they used because they don't want the public to know, right? They kept it under wraps. But that's just one of the areas and the government continue. And every year they're buying silver, people don't realize that silver has.

has doubled over the last five years, yet it's still half the price of where it was in 1983 when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the market. So even though it's doubled in the last five years, it's still got a lot of room to run. So I really like where silver is sitting today. I like the price of it, but it has to do with the underlying value and why people continue to use it. if you just look at solar panel usage alone, that's 17% of the usage. It continues to grow as people add this to their homes. That's not going anywhere. So they're used between 10 and 25 grams of silver and every solar panel.

And then a little known fact, that's just kind of a silly thing, but it kind of adds to the values that most refrigerators today have one to two ounces of silver. And it's unlikely that someone's going to go to a place where the refrigerators, the old ones are and pull that silver out, right? Because it's worth 60 bucks. If it was gold, they would do it. They'd rip that refrigerator open. So what I'm saying is that they only recycle between four and five percent of the industrial uses. So as much as they're trying to find it in Mexico and in the U.S., they're not recycling a huge amount of it either, which means that they have to continue to find more, and mining gets more expensive. And obviously, everybody knows what labor,

inflation is doing to everything. So the price, the underlying price has to go up because it just costs a lot of money to pull it out of the ground. Well, your book is silver is the new oil. Yes. Much more about it. But, you know, folks are basic recommendation here. You understand that, you know, the economy is, it's always volatile.

But the next year or two, it's probably going to be tough. in any circumstances, but especially now, gold and silver are the safest bet. It's even safe. It's better than safe. So if you're interested in doing that, getting some gold, getting some silver in various ways, you can go to Eric McIntax's Gold.com. Eric Mattaxas, gold. If you have questions, you want to talk somebody, you can call 877-47-646-5-3-4-4-5-3-4-4-4.

47-877-646-5347. And again, the website, Noble Gold, you can go to Eric Metaxusgold.com. Ericmetachisgold.com. It's an exciting opportunity. It's good, Colin, to be able to talk to somebody that I trust on these important issues. Thanks for partnering with us. And congratulations on the book, Silver is the New Oil. Thanks for being with us. Thank you.