The Eric Metaxas Show - Larry Taunton and George Papadopoulos

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

Larry Taunton has a truly unique idea of how to properly celebrate a "Covid Thanksgiving" (#LockdownHoliday); then, George Papadopoulos, author of "Deep State Target," shares his incredible story of being caught in the web spun to trap the president.

show. Hey, for you Eric Mataxis's trivia buffs out there, Eric's Secret Service codename is El Jerko. Please make note of it. And now the man who'll deny it, but it's true anyway. Here's El Jerko himself, my friend Eric Mataxis. Folks, this is our two. Coming up, my conversation, George Papadopoulos, Greek, you say, yes, Greek. That's why I'm having him on for no other reason. George Papadopoulos, he's talking about the whole Mueller thing. Right now, I'm going to talk about something very important. I want everyone to listen. I would love you to share this video or this news with all of your friends because I consider this very important. We're talking to my dear friend, Larry Taunton. Larry, welcome. How you doing, Eric?

I'm doing great. You have a brilliant idea and I want you to share it. We don't have a ton of time, but it is so important. I want to get this message out today on Monday. So what is this idea? Yeah, the idea here is very simple, Eric, that, you know, we are seeing a kind of crucial. creeping government that's edging towards tyranny. Some would say that we're already there. I mean, with irrational lockdowns, with mask mandates, and these kinds of things.

And the idea is simply this, that the American people need a holiday from lockdowns. I mean, I'm in the state of the beautiful state of Alabama, where fortunately, rationality still prevails. And I've just returned from Florida, where the same thing. But there are those people who are in states like New Mexico, California, New York, Michigan, where it seems that all common sense is lost, and you feel that government is testing the boundaries of exactly what they can get away with. I mean, we're dealing with hypocrites here who, you know, Gavin Newsome goes to a, you know, to a big gathering where it's quite clear. No one is wearing a mask and they're not social distancing and Nancy Pelosi got aired on.

and it's the same thing. Fancy Nancy, listen, my friend, fancy Nancy Pelosi, she doesn't have to play by the rules the little people like you and me have to play by. And Governor Hairedo, whatever his name is, honestly, when I read some of the stuff that he and other governors, Governor Whitmer of Michigas, I guess that's her state. I got to tell you, every American should be offended. and should say absolutely not. I will not comply. This is an offense to me as an American. You shared that with me on the phone yesterday, and I said, we got to get this out to my audience.

So the hashtag is what? It is lockdown holiday. Lockdown holiday. The idea being that people need a holiday from these lockdowns. We're not saying to people, I want to be very clear in our messaging here. We're not saying that the virus is hoax. We're not saying that you can't get it. We're not saying that it doesn't even kill people. We're not saying any of that. What we're saying is that it isn't the choice of government to determine what I do and don't do within my own household. It isn't the choice of government to shut down my business and to prevent me from making a living and providing for my family. It isn't the choice of government to tell me that I have to stay in my own household. So a conservative view of freedom is that it is not anarchy as the left sees it,

but it is rather that it's responsibility. So we're encouraging people to peacefully protest these mandates by celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas, however they want to do it. Now, as a conservative, as a Christian, I believe it's your right to wear a mask if you want to. I believe it's your right to stay home if you want to. I believe it's your right to social distance if you want to. But I also believe it's your right to do none of the above. And if you want to have a dozen people in your house or a several dozen people in your house, we believe you have that right to do that. So we're encouraging people to celebrate these holidays, Thanksgiving and Christmas, however they want to do it. And I'm here to tell you, if thousands of people do this, if tens of thousands of people do this, government is powerless to stop that. And it's time that we push back at a massive interrational government overreach. I am just singing inside when I listen to you say this, Larry. Our hearts beat as one.

Everything you're saying is not only true. It is vitally important and particularly vitally important at this time. Americans need to understand what truth is. The reason we are where we are is because truth and liberty, these are things that we've kind of, we've kind of gotten a little confused on what those things are. When you understand what liberty is and when some government official tells you how you must celebrate Thanksgiving, I think to myself, if you're not offended by that, you're not awake. You are not paying attention. The idea that people could do that in the United States of America,

tell me anything. In other words, if you're telling me I don't care about my neighbor, you're telling me I don't care about my family, I don't need you to tell me. I already love them and care about them, and they love me and care about me. And I think that when people start looking to the government or even allowing the government to start talking to them like that, it's like, no, you don't, you know, that's like somebody coming up to me on the street and telling me how to talk to my wife or how to talk to my children. Don't you dare. Don't you get near me, you know, unless I'm using violence against them, you mind your own

business. We're in a free country. And that's exactly what this is. This is government officials daring to go where the Constitution does not give them the authority to go. Exactly. I mean, it is the responsibility of government to protect the blessings of liberty to ourselves and to our posterity. I mean, this is what government is supposed to be doing. The Constitution was not meant to prescribe our freedoms.

It was meant to restrict government to define its boundaries, to prevent. it from infringing upon our liberty. And now we are seeing government doing this in a very big way. And it's time that the American people say, enough is enough. And it may be, again, to be clear, it may be that you choose of your own volition to observe a lockdown. Good for you. That's a choice that you have a right to make. But we also believe that it's the right of other people to choose not to do that. And we're seeing lives destroyed, businesses, the economy of the so-called little people in this country absolutely annihilated by people who are elitists who care not at all. Forget the rhetoric, who care not at all for the common man in this country. And this is deeply politicized.

It has very little to do with the pandemic itself. It has to do with power. time that people push back and say no more. So again, the hashtag is lockdown holiday, lockdown holiday. Please help us spread the word. Please join it. Yes. It's very important.

We're going to post this video on all over our social media. I've already posted your article. What is the title of your article? It's called Lockdown Holiday. Okay. Very simple. Hashtag lockdown holiday. I've posted that.

that all over social media. I will post that again. We will post this. It's important people spread the word. I keep saying we need a thousand Paul Revere's. We need people at a time when information is being controlled by people on the opposite side of these issues, people who are enemies of freedom, witting or unwitting. We need to spread the word to use whatever channels we still have. And if you don't use it, you lose it. So folks, I'm just telling you with this video, with the article lockdown holiday that Larry Taunton has, you know, share these things, folks. Please, it doesn't take anything to hit retweet or to share. These things are very important.

We've got to get the word out. You know that if you turn on your TV, you're not going to hear this. These are not things that are getting out there enough. It's why God has given me this platform. And Larry, you know, when you share this stuff with me yesterday, you just know my heart leaps because this is so, I was thinking the same. I was thinking the same thing, but the difference is I couldn't think, what can we do? We need to do something.

And then you call me up and you explain this to me. And I thought, holy cow, that's God. Because I was thinking the same thing. We've got to do something, but I didn't know what. So it's hashtag lockdown holiday. And the guts of it is celebrate your holiday as you like. You have the freedom. And with freedom comes responsibility.

So it means that, by the way, if you don't want your elderly parents to die, you don't bring in a grandchild. who may have been exposed. But that's called common sense. And when you have liberty, you have a responsibility to use common sense. But when the government has to tell you, that's when we're in trouble.

A few seconds left, Larry. Just give us 10 seconds, and then we're going to have to drop out. Yeah, I just want to reinforce everything you just said there, Eric. Please help us get the word out. Hashtag lockdown holiday. You'll find the article on Twitter and that Larry Alextaunton.com.

Okay. Folks, help us to blow this up. hashtag lockdown holiday. We can do it. Larry, God bless you. Thank you, my friend. Hey there, folks. As promised, George Papadopoulos,

unfortunately for you, my radio audience, George and I are going to conduct the interview in Greek. Thamellamilama now monostalinica. Catala-a-lesa. Monosalinica. What, don't be razi? Yeah, too. We're not.

Actually, you know what, George, that would be rude. That would be rude. do that. Let's speak in English. I'm so happy to have you as my guests. So many people know your story, but so many people don't know your story. I want you to tell your story. Your book is titled Deep State Target, How I Got Caught on the Crosshairs of the Plot to Bring Down President Trump. George, let's go to the beginning. Many people have seen you commenting here and there over the last couple of years. But tell my audience your story. Where did you grow up and how did you get into the field that you're in and then into the mess that you got into by no fault of your own.

Well, thanks a lot for having me, Eric. It's always a real pleasure to come on. And I've been watching your program for a long time and you're doing incredible things. So it's a real honor to be on your show. And probably we won't be doing the interview in Greek, but that's okay. Maybe some people will catch a couple words. The Greeks will be angry. I'm telling you right now, but what can we do? They're angry no matter what. So go ahead. Always. So I was born in Chicago. to Greek parents. And I always had this interest in politics. My family was conservative. They dabbled in some local politics in the Chicago land area. And they basically told me, you know, after you study, go to law school like every Greek American does or medical school, and that's going to be your

path forward. That's not something that I was very interested in. So I went to grad school in London. I got my master's out there. And instead of going to law school, I went to D.C. at a very young age at 23 years old, where I was thrust right into the center of, I guess, conservative politics. The year was 2011, and it was shortly after, no, I'm sorry, it was, yes, 2011 when I went to Washington, D.C. And I worked for the conservative thingtank Hudson Institute. And at that time, obviously, Obama was president. And I got involved in this very interesting project regarding the energy security situation in Israel and in Greece and in Cyprus and Turkey, which was a really new development at that time. And that's something that really followed me through my work on both the Ben Carson and Donald Trump campaigns and the main reason why I was in the spotlight. Well, so you say you were in the spotlight.

In other words, you were in the spotlight because we now. know that there were people on the other side in the Obama administration, I would say, looking for trouble in both senses of that phrase. They were looking for something, but they were also kind of spoiling for a fight. They were not, it didn't strike me, it doesn't strike me now as a kind of a neutral, wise investigation, but that it was, from the beginning, it was partisan, and that when you have that kind of stuff happening, happen, they're willing to extraordinary lengths. And what they did to you is part of the extraordinary length to which, to which they went. So you're working with Ben Carson and you're

working with who else did you just say? I'm sorry? So I left the Hudson Institute in the summer of 2015. Obviously in the summer of 2015, we were in the midst of a presidential campaign season. And I looked around at the various candidates. I saw the situation in the United States and globally, and I thought that an outsider was exactly what the United States at that moment needed and wanted. So my colleagues at the Hudson Institute, which is a very establishment-type organization, most of the colleagues actually worked for Reagan or George W. Bush or George H.W. Bush, people like Scooter Libby, Doug Fythe, et cetera.

These were the people I worked with for years. And I told them, what do you think about Donald Trump's campaign? And they said, are you crazy? If you leave us and you want to work in a campaign like that, your career in politics is essentially over. I really didn't care. They wanted me to basically join Marco Rubio or Jeff Bush's campaign. I decided not to. And I reached out to Corey Lewandowski, who at that time no one really knew.

At a time when the campaign was around three people, he said, let's keep in touch. and I then joined Ben Carson's campaign initially as a foreign policy advisor. And as soon as he dropped out, I joined Donald Trump's campaign about a month later. So that was the, those were the steps leading to Donald Trump's campaign for me. It's almost comical to think of you working for a D.C. think tank, like the Hudson Institute or Heritage, whoever it is, because there is no more, I mean, I can't think of any group that is more horrified. by Donald Trump. I mean, because I have friends in that world,

you know, some friends in National Review, and they were just, they thought you've got to be kidding. That's like putting up King Kong or, I mean, we don't, we don't traffic in those kind of characters. And I myself was naive about that because I wasn't so much in the world of D.C. think tanks or the Beltway thinking, you were. So I guess my question is,

Why wouldn't you have seen that coming that they would think you've got to be kidding, Donald Trump? I mean, he's a reality TV star. He's vulgar. We don't like him. What led you, when you say to go to an outsider? Why didn't you think that they would react that way? Well, clearly, you know, people like Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, John McCain were familiar faces. You know, Joe Lieberman, even though he's not a Republican, he's an independent. I think he tilts more on the right. These were very familiar faces that were, you know, walking through the annals of the Hudson Institute Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute. You know, these were some of the competitors to the Institute I worked for. And we were very familiar with them.

And I understood, obviously, that they had interests in either a Jeff Bush presidency or a Marco Rubio presidency. But even if they viewed them as potential, you know, winning candidates, I didn't. I am very fortunate that I have both white-collar people in my family and blue-collar people in my family. And for some reason, the blue-collar people in my family kept my ear a little more in terms of how the situation was in the United States in the summer of 2015, early 2016. And they said that, look, what people like Jeff Bush or Marco Rubio or others are really espousing and trying to promote is not an agenda that's going to be. of benefit millions of people who feel disenfranchised, left behind. At that point, if you remember, ISIS was the number one security issue around the world. We were left with, you know, images of people's heads cut off on the sands of Libya or Syria. Illegal immigration was running rampant,

student debt was growing, the debt was growing, the national debt was growing. We were just in, we found ourselves in a simultaneous political security and economic crisis, and with no real prescriptions to fix those woos except for a practical, you know, dominant personality who really maintained a message of coherence throughout his campaign. And that was Donald Trump. I find it funny, George, just because what you said, you know, you said you have working class folks in your background. I do as well. And I really think that that is the reason that I went for Trump. Also, you also said it right before you mentioned that, that I didn't myself believe that any of these other figures could win. I thought when you're going up against Hillary Clinton,

you know, you need a monster, you need somebody who is really going to be able to fight. And I was, frankly, convinced that none of them, as much as I admire so many of them and Ted Cruz, that they were not quite up to this job. And that's one of the reasons that I thought that Trump made sense. But it's just interesting that somebody like you working in a think tank and knowing this much better than I did, that you had that same sense. Well, I mean, I had time and age on my side, too. I was sometimes, I mean, I'm 33 now, but at that time, I was 28. So I felt I could take a gamble in my life, maybe unlike somebody who was in their 60s I was working with, possibly felt they could have after, you know, working for 30 years in D.C.

I moved very quickly in D.C. for six years, made very interesting connections, very high-level connections. And I got very lucky to be at the right place at the right time. But I also was 28, and I said to myself, I can take this risk that maybe some of my colleagues couldn't. and I also did feel that America was at the precipice, and we really had a decision to make as Americans in 2016 of which direction we wanted to take the country, and I felt that Donald Trump made the most sons, that he would resonate with the people who did feel left behind,

which are millions, and we found out over 60 million people in 2016, and that was his victory. But upon joining his campaign, I understood very quickly, that an outsider was not wanted, not only by the D.C. establishment that we just discussed, but also global forces as well, which are involved not only in my story, but in General Michael Flint's story and are at the center of what is now called the Durham investigation. Well, when we come back, we're going to get into it. You went through hell, George. You talk about it in your book, Deep State. I can't imagine that any American should have to go through that.

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You got a problem with that? We're both Greek. If you don't like it, well, stick around anyway. George has written a book called Deep State Target, how I got caught on the crosshairs of the plot to bring down President Trump. George, what you went through, I want my audience to hear about it.

A lot of folks aren't really familiar with what happened. So how did the whole thing start? Tell us, you know, you're a young man, you're working in a campaign, you want to make a difference, you care about your country, you know, you're the son of immigrants, you want to do well. What happened?

Yeah. So I initially, most people think that my life began and ended with the Russian investigation because it was obviously such a big world story. But there was a lot more to that story. So I'm very happy that you're allowing me the opportunity to discuss it. So initially I joined Ben Carson's presidential campaign. That's something most people don't know. I was on Ben Carson's presidential campaign for three months.

until he dropped out, and then I joined Donald Trump's campaign a month or so after Ben Carson dropped out in March of 2016. And immediately, upon joining Donald Trump's campaign, I was based in London for the first couple months where I was working at a different company in between my time on Carson and Trump's campaign. I noticed that establishment type personalities around the world and in the United States were a guest of a Donald Trump candidacy and potential presidency, simply based on his, if you want to call it,

nationalist rhetoric, his protectionist rhetoric, or as some might have deemed it, Islamophobic rhetoric back then. And I always try and guide people to understand what was going on around the world and in the U.S. at that time. In the fall of 2015, the prime minister of the U.K., went abroad and started to condemn candidate Trump and his candidacy. This has never happened before,

where an ally of the United States has gone public against a particular candidate. And this was David Cameron. And as I mentioned, I was based in London right when I joined the campaign. Right when I joined this campaign, I get sucked into this world that most people could never imagine, where we now later found out based on various declassified documents, that AG Barr and John Durham have released, or the Horowitz report has released,

were spies, were operatives of various different countries affiliated with U.S. and foreign intelligence who were essentially trying to entrap me, spy on me, and gather information through me about the presidential campaign of Donald Trump. And in the middle of all of this happening, I meet people like Joseph Mipsud, who some people might be familiar with,

Stefan Halper, Alexander Downer, Osra Turk. Some of these characters are familiar to many people, some are not, they're all in my book. These people were masquerading as either foreign diplomats or foreign academics. And we later found out that they were working with U.S. intelligence and foreign intelligence to spy on me and to try and sabotage the Donald Trump campaign. And that's exactly what. Well, I mean, we know that that's what happened. and to my mind, it's simply despicable.

But the question is, why you? What was it about George Papadobos, a young man working for the Trump campaign in London? What was the issue? Why were they coming after you? What triggered that for them? So as I explained in my book initially, and we probably don't have hours to talk about this particular issue, the work I did in D.C. kept some particular eyes on me is what I later understood.

during my time being interviewed by the Mueller team, the FBI, and some of these mysterious characters that are at the center of my story. And a combination of that and me being in London for the first two months of my time working on the Trump campaign where these operatives can circumvent U.S. law where the CIA could essentially send operatives to meet with Americans without running into the U.S. Constitution. I think it was a combination of those.

two factors that made my short time in London very bizarre, interesting, and at the focus now of so many of these new investigations after Mueller. It's fascinating to me that they would realize that in a foreign country they could get away with certain things, that life would be easier for them. They could do what they wanted to do without so much trouble. Do you get the impression that they, were really convinced that you would lead them to see how the Trump campaign was working with the Russians. Are you convinced that they were convinced that there was this connection between the Trump

campaign and Russia, this nefarious connection? No. Look, at the time I joined the Trump campaign, like I mentioned, I worked with people who were running the Pentagon or the White House under three administrations. Clearly, all you had to do is a simple Google search on my name if you were the FBI or, you know, Comey or Brennan, and understand that George Papadopoulos had zero Russian contacts. He's never traveled to Russia and he's never met a Russian official in his entire life. And that's the truth. I've never been to Russia. I've never met a Russian official in my life. So what was it about you that they thought would lead them to something? Well, what it looks like? like happened here is that they created a conspiracy to try and ingratiate themselves within the campaign and to issue these FISA warrants. And it goes back to this individual Joseph Mifsa,

who I mentioned a little bit earlier, who's a small tease academic, who I met through the Italian foreign minister, who we now have evidence of was working with Western intelligence services to try and set me up and act like he was a Russian operative. Hang on one second. We've come to the point, to an important point. Folks, we'll be right back. I'm talking to George Papadopoulos. The book is Deep State Target.

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So it's hard for me to bear hearing this story. But you're telling me that they concoct something. They know that they are creating a fiction. In other words, that you're not under the impression that even they believe there might be something here. They create a fiction and what were they trying to do with you? In other words, how do you fit into this for them? So essentially what they wanted to do, just to make it very simple, but it's quite a complicated story.

If you don't know the story, this individual, Joseph Mitzad, was introduced to me by the Italian foreign minister in Rome. And he started to present himself as a individual who can connect me to various foreign governments, foreign leaders that could help the Trump campaign. And that's as my job as a foreign policy advisor, there was nothing odd about that. He wasn't Russian. He was a Maltese national. And I said, okay, that's interesting. And I looked at his background. He was connected to the State Department, to European think tanks, and, you know, some global institutions. And those were people that I was associated to all my professional life.

So there was nothing suspicious about that. And eventually, what this person did was tell me, hey, George, did you know that the Russians have Hillary Clinton's emails? some time over brunch in London and April. This, by the way, was speculated all around the global media, just so everybody understands at that time. I thought it was just simply a rumor. So what I think this person's role was, was to be sent to drop that information in my lap in April of 2016

and hope that I would transmit that later on to the Trump campaign to essentially create a conspiracy case. during my time meeting the FBI and Bob Mueller and other U.S. intelligence figures, they simply wanted to know one answer, and that was, who did I tell him in Trump campaign what this Maltese academic told me in London? They didn't care who this person was, how I met him, how he possibly could have known this information. They simply wanted to know that. I never told anybody on the Trump campaign this information that this operative told me, and their entire colloquial, case dropped and they had nothing. They wanted to essentially manifest and create a conspiracy case that never existed. It was completely manufactured. And we now see people like Kevin Kleinsmith, this FBI attorney, having been indicted by John Durham for altering and falsifying documents to obtain FISA warrants. And I think we're going to see a lot more of that moving forward. I guess, you know, no one used the term.

deep state until a few years ago. At first, I was kind of wondering, huh, is there such a thing? You know, now I think, wow, how hopelessly naive of me. What did it do to you? As an American citizen, as somebody who loves his country, to go up against these forces, what were you thinking about your country and what was at stake? Well, well, I was very blessed and fortunate to have. I was very blessed and have a very loyal girlfriend back then, and now she's my wife, Simone, who defended me at a time when no one defended me, including my former colleagues that essentially, you know, threw me under the bus initially. Family disappeared, friends disappeared. I later found out that some old friends of mine were tasked by the FBI to wear wires against me. So you can understand

the paranoia level of mine reached a high threshold because of these various situations that I found myself in as somebody who simply wanted to help my country, wanted to advise presidential campaigns because I felt that my input would help the national discourse towards very important issues, only later to find out that a politicized intelligence apparatus that did not want an outsider president, like Donald Trump, was weaponized by previous administration to set Americans up, to spy on them, to wiretap them, and to essentially use them to try and overthrow a duly elected president. So finding myself in the center of that situation was mind-boggling. I never expected anything like that in my life. I, like you, never used the word deep state ever

up until I found myself caught in the crosshairs of this very bizarre plot. But it's the truth. And it's something that I think should scare all Americans. And any American who wants to preserve freedom and liberty and the Constitution should look at what happened to myself, to people like General Flynn, others, the president, and view it as a lesson that should be learned. from and those who did commit this crime against our rights should be held accountable. It's not a partisan issue. I always try and say that.

Well, of course, it's not a partisan issue. It's an American issue. It's a basic moral issue. It sounds to me like a Hitchcock movie. You just got swept up in something so vast, so crazy, so absurd. And you just happen to be in the right place at the wrong time or the wrong place at the right time. And that, that, you know, you're not the only one, of course. I mean, Roger Stone falls into that category, other people, but you seem the most innocent, in a sense, just because you really were so young and doing what you thought was right. And then the next thing, you know, your life is taken up by all kinds of things. So where did things stand now? What are you doing right now? And what are your hopes? Yeah, so you're right. I wasn't the only target,

but certainly I think my situation was the most bizarre. And NBC actually reported that my story in the situation that we've been discussing here is at the center of what John Durham is investigating and his counter-investigation, which, as we mentioned earlier, has already resulted in one criminal indictment on the other side, the FBI attorney Kevin Kleinsmith. The present situation is very bright. I'm happily married with my wife Simone for over two years. I work with Newsmax, which is doing incredible, and it looks like it might be some sort of competitor now to Fox News if the trajectory continues in this positive light. The book has done incredibly well. I'm, I'm...

a speaking tour over the last year. I hope that continues. And after that, you know, we'll see what happens. But right now we're also, yeah. Well, no, I was going to say, let's go to a break. We've got a final segment. Folks, I just, I hope you stay tuned. This is a very important conversation.

Folks, I'm talking to George Papadopoulos. That's Greek. And George, I want to ask you, we just got a few minutes left, what do you see happening right now? I mean, we're in the middle of the strangest election process anyone has ever seen, which seems to be an extension of the horrors that you went through, that there are nefarious figures working behind the scenes who do not believe in the most basic, in the fundamentals of what it is to live in a self-governing republic.

Yeah, well, like you, like we've been discussing, Donald Trump and his team, and later just Donald Trump is in administration, had to go through a Russia hoax, a spying scandal by the FBI, later an impeachment situation, which was completely fabricated. And another hoax, he's had to deal with coronavirus. And now we have to deal with the veracity of this election, which is dubious at best and possibly illegal at worst. it's time, I think, for both sides of the aisle to scrutinize these allegations of voter fraud, which seem to be rampant throughout not only battleground states, but states that some people think that Donald Trump won that went blue. And this is something that Donald Trump owes, not only to the 73 million Americans who voted for him, but as you mentioned, to our

Republic and the future standing of a republic, which is supposed to be, which, you know, takes its power from the government. And those people cast their votes. And we want to make sure that these were legal votes that were cast and any illegal votes were not and are not counted. And that's something that is going to be so difficult now with the media totally against the president calling the election so early before even, uh, scrutinizing and looking into these allegations of voter fraud, the Dominion software, and all of

this new information that has come about regarding how Dominion has possibly changed millions of Trump votes to Biden votes, and it resulting now in various courts and possibly the Supreme Court eventually. So I think we still need to wait to see where this goes before the media continues to, I guess, confirmed Joe Biden as president because it looks like we saw a far way to go before that happens. I hope so. I hope people can be patient because I have to say that, you know, the what I've said this many times, but when you see the way the Biden campaign and the media, but mostly the Biden campaign, have pushed forward and basically said, there's nothing to see here, there's nothing to discuss, it's decided, it's decided, it's all over.

That's the moment you realize, wait a second. They are clearly scared that we, would not rush that we would take our time to see if this is as it ought to be, why would they be pushing so far? Why would he have hired some graphic designer to design an office of the president-elect sign to put behind himself? There's no such thing as the office of the president-elect. It's chicanery. It's a joke. But that's what makes me far more suspicious than I would ordinarily be, is that they have made it seem like, let's get this process going because they're scared. They're deadly, they're deathly afraid that somebody may uncover more and more and more. I think between us, that is what's going to happen, George. I look forward to talking with you

more. The time has been so short. Congratulations on your book, Deep State Target, how I got caught in the crosshairs of the plot to bring down President Trump. A very, very important story. George, thanks for being who you are. God bless you. family out of what that uh thank you thanks so much eric it was a great pleasure to be with you and i appreciate uh you uh having me on god bless you bye god bless thank you