The Eric Metaxas Show - Malachi O'Brien - Part 2

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

Malachi O'Brien continues discussing lessons he's learned in his record-breaking marathon runs, including a report from the Asbury revival.

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Continuing my conversation with my friend Barry McGuire, the book is Ignite Your Life. So we've been talking about a lot of stuff here. What does it look like, Barry McGuire, author of Ignite Your Life. You talk in the book. Can you say that one more time? Well, in the book, you actually talk about this. But just while we're here, I thought, let me ask you final segment. What does it look like, this kind of sharing your faith in the kind of organic way?

You know, so few churches are sending us anymore. How are they going to go? 90% of our nation is lost. They're unbelievers. They're blinded. They're see good as evil. And they're not going to church. They're only hope.

America's only hope is us. We have to ignite Christians to share our faith. We have to do that. But what does that look like? Sometimes very few popes say we should do it. But even then, how do we do it? Okay, I need to share my faith. What does that look like?

So I can give all kinds of illustrations. I can tell you a couple. One, I was in a hotel, and it was time to go to dinner, and I want to beat my friend there, so I give him my credit card. It's always a competition, because he wants to get there first and give him his credit card. So I do my Uber app, and it's not working. So I tell Karen, we got to go downstairs to get outside the hotel, and so I get my Uber app to work.

So I go out. It doesn't work. And now I'm starting to sweat a little bit. And Karen said, we'll just get that taxi. I said, a good idea. So I said, sir, we'll take that taxi. And he's, oh, that's already committed, sir. I'm sorry.

And so, why who? He said, oh, there's a lady standing behind me. I look back a lady by the front door. It's her taxi. I said, how long would it take me to get another taxi? He said, well, it's 5 o'clock. It may take me about 15 minutes. And I'm like, blood started to rain from my eye.

Like, what am I going to do? About that time, the late, I hear this voice, sir, sir, and I turn around. It was this lady. She says, my husband's upstairs. I don't know what he's doing. So just go ahead and take this taxi. I'll take the next one. I said, okay, thank you very much.

So I jumped in the car, he burns rubber. And from the first sentence, there was profanity. Where are the afternoon you want to go? And I mean, it was like, this guy was out of control and without thinking spiritually. And this was in New York City? No, it wasn't New York City. Oh, thank goodness, because our cavities don't swear because they don't know English. No, no.

That's a joke. Definitely not. Actually, many don't. So if we weren't Christians, you might be thinking about we need to get out of this car quickly, you know. But instead, it's like, okay, God. And you just let him give you this whatever. And it came up very quickly. Do you know, God, I turned out, we asked some questions,

and we found out that his wife had just died from cancer, a painful cancer, a lingering cancer. And his kids were in complete rebellion. His life was a mess. And I said, you know, God says to you, come unto me, all you are burdened and heavy laid, and I will give you rest. And at the same intent he says, rest, man, do I need rest? We had it. We do it.

So we just started giving him scripture, Karen, I back and forth to, by the time we get the rest of me, he says, God puts you in my car. I mean, I need God. I need to get in church. So we got outside and I said, tell you what, if you trust me with your cell number and where you live, I'll search and find you a good church to go.

You can't just send them to any church anymore. Ghost churches are bad, unfortunately. That's another story. So I said, he said, would you do that? I said, so he gave that information to me. I said, can we pray for you? He said, would you? and the three of us in front of that restaurant were in the flush of his headlights with people walking in you know cars pulling by we're fraying we laughed after what that much to look like we're praying and we're all crying and we're hugging each other now that was a wonderful thing but think about it he had to stop my uber app from working right god he had to stop your uber app from working he had to keep the husband upstairs he had to he had to have the wife benevolent enough to say go ahead and take my taxi he had to he had to stop my taxi he had to stop you're going to take my taxi he had to keep you

had to have that taxi pull up right at the moment, at the right moment for us to you follow what God does. He not only directs our steps, he directs their steps. And when you step for those things, it's the whole thing's a miracle. And God just used me in a miracle. What does that do for me? It ignites my life. And I go from joy to joy to joy. People say, why are you always so happy? You're 80 years old. Because I'm always coming off one of these experiences. It's not one that happened 10 years ago. It happened today. And it happens every day. And when you're always. live like that every day you have your life ignited by the holy and it's easy it's effortless you just simply do what god tells you to do you know someday you should think about writing a book titled

ignite your life that's a good idea by barry mcguire um well we just have a few minutes left let me ask you final question you you said at some point i mean in the scripture uh someone asked jesus you know what's the most important command oh yeah and he says you know love the lord your god with your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Love God, not obey God, not do the right. Love the Lord your God and your neighbor as yourself. I mean, you want to talk about, you know, but talk about how those kind of sum up all of the Ten Commandments.

Well, they really do be. You mean I only have to focus on two and I'll complete the Ten? Well, actually, that's what Jesus said. That's pretty cool. So I need to focus on those two. Those two incidentally are repeated over and over and over in the Bible. If you think about it in Revelations 2, the love of the church at Ephesus, he said, I know you know good teaching from bad.

I know you're giving sacrifice to your time and resource and all that, but I have this against you. You've left your first love, love God. You've left your first love. You have another love. Something else has come between you. Whatever you talk about is what you love. Whatever feels your prayers.

Whatever you love, whatever you're exoner, excited about you talk about if you're not talking about the Lord you're not excited about God anymore so first love and then you and you're no longer doing the first work the first thing every new Christian does is share their faith think about you can't stop new Christians and sharing their faith because God's their first love you know you follow that so here he's saying love God and love your neighbor as yourself when you love your neighbor as yourself you're as concerned for their salvation as you are your salvation okay and so what does that do for you that means if you really are concerned for their salvation as much as your own salvation,

you're going to do everything you can to lead them to Jesus, everything that's over and above. And so the things you laugh at, the things you look at, the things you talk about, the things you indulge in, they're not keeping you out of heaven, you're going to get to heaven, but will they allow you the pulpit, the influence to lead somebody to Jesus Christ? And all of a sudden, it's perfecting you. and you don't even realize it's not an obligation. I got to do this for God to give me. God loves you.

You're on your way to heaven if you're Christ. You're accepted Jesus Christ, doesn't deal. It's about living for him and allowing God to salvation them through us. Dr. Jerry Root from Wheaton has this great book, the sacrament of evangelism. And he talks about God's already sovereignly working with everybody you talk to, everybody, the waitress and the taxi driver, whoever it is, he's already working with them. And when you come alongside your, you're a physical manifestation what God's already telling them. Every conversation, there's nothing secular, folks.

And when you do that, it automatically, you don't have to work at it. All of a sudden, the desires of things that are waiting you down, go away, not because you're trying to escape the way, but because you're trying to lead people to Jesus. And when you do that, it's joy upon joy and opportunity upon opportunity. It ignites your life. I got to tell you. I have to ask you about. This is a banal question, but is there a website where people can find you? Yeah, actually, you don't have to look like me, believe it or not.

People say, well, I'm not like Barry McGuire. Of course you're not. And I can only, I can't reach the people you can reach. So on our website, igniteamerica.com, I interview igniteamerica.com. I interview people of all types of descriptions, age, ethnicities, quiet, introvert. I was an introvert, by the way, when I started this. That's another story. And you can see how they all have the same joy.

There's people all, I find them, do you gravitate? People gravitate to me because they know and they tell me their story. So I'll capture that. And then we have every kind of help. This website, igniteamerica.com, is not about us. It's not about our ministry. There's no opt-ins. There's no passwords.

It's immediately in the ministry. You can't give us money. This is about your ministry. It's one website that will tell you how you can start sharing your faith, having fun doing it, have the time of your life doing it, and have your life ignited. So it's just, it's fun and I'm privileged. I'm glad I asked this finally. So the website is igniteamerica.com. Yeah. And the book is igniteyourlife.com. And I just have to say, just because I know you, I know this is real and that it doesn't come across as religious when you do

this. And again, you and I have had the privilege of, you know, over the years, you mentioned David Wilkison. But when you see people living this way, it becomes normative. It's normal. You start realizing this is what it means to live out your faith. And God literally created us to do this, not to live fear-based lives. We're out of time. Barry McGuire, congratulations.

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You'll get the job. Hey, folks. Welcome back. I continue now my conversation with my friend Malachi O'Brien. Now, Malachi, here's the weird thing. People watching this are going to be watching this tomorrow. Tomorrow is the day that by God's grace, you will be back in Kansas City running your 153rd and final consecutive marathon. So I think a lot of people want to ask a simple question. So how do you feel?

Like, I mean, that's, you know, most people think you'd be at death's door. But you seem fine. Yeah, I feel great. I mean, I can tell that having run these every single day is starting to take a toll on my body, just because I'm not able to run them as fast as I have been. But my body's adapted. Like, we really can't adapt to most things

when there are no other options. And so I really do feel great. I mean, that's not me just being positive after running through the dead of winter. And so mentally, but I can tell. Like, you can just tell some things are a little off, I can tell. You know, a little bit of fog here and there, a little bit of physical pain here and there. But for the most part, I feel phenomenal. Like, mentally, I feel I could go

do another hundred marathons. What? I'm sorry, what? Yeah, it's so, it's just, it's just so crazy. I mean, I think people that I've known who have done ultramarathons and stuff do say you can do damage to your organs and stuff, and I know you're aware of this. Correct. Yeah, I mean, You can do some serious damage. No doctor recommends doing, like, even a marathon. Like, they'll tell you that's dangerous, you know. Oh, really? Yeah, doctors don't, they don't say, they'll say, hey, it's bad for your knees, bad for your hips.

But you know what they'll also say? Get the booster. So who cares what they say? That's right. So you feel fine. And as I say, while we're talking about this tomorrow, you're doing your 153rd. But you, you know, when you talk about ultramarathons, it's so different. I mean, because most people think, like, oh, I couldn't run a marathon.

That's like a big deal. So when did you get involved in running, when did you get involved in running period? Yeah, I was a really, really good high school runner. And then I was in a head-on collision on Easter Sunday year 2000, 2001, destroyed my knee. Drunk driver, went left of center, hit me head on, had to have two knee surgery. did not run my junior year, barely ran my senior year. But I was a really good cross-country runner and long-distance runner in high school. So you were.

You see, I say it's all my friends so they don't get offended. Like, you tell me something and like, I'll forget it. I hear it the second or third time, it'll finally like I'll be like, of course. But I think you told me that I had forgotten. So you were a cross-country runner in high school. I was a cross-country runner in high school, but I was not a good runner. I was like JV, you know. But I like most people, got away from running after getting married, doing different things.

And again, I think I was just dissatisfied with where I was in my life and knew that running was something I always could go back to that always I always got this euphoric feeling when I finish and love seeing the progress. And so just again, several years ago, I got back into running hardcore doing half marathons, marathons, trying ultra marathons. And I've just grown to love. The power of just going out and running. I don't think people realize getting out and just pushing your body a little bit will change your life. I mean, most people want, you have to almost like sign up for discomfort in the day and age which we live, but on the other end of suffering truly is greatness. And if people want to break through in some areas of their life, they've got to go push themselves.

Put down the pork rinds. Honestly, though, you're telling me that so you're in high school and you were a good runner in high school. I was a runner in high school, but I was never a good runner. I was never talented in that way. But so you were doing well as a runner. I was doing very well. I mean, I had some good, I mean, I ran a sub two-minute, 800 meter when I was a freshman. That's not bad.

I ran a less, I mean, close to a 430 mile my freshman year. Oh my goodness. I'm a color me impressed. That's seriously, that's amazing. So, but then you're telling me you're hit by a drunk driver? Easter Sunday. Easter Sunday. And what, what happened to your knee?

So I was heading to a sunrise service for our church. I was following my pastor. He was, I had just got in my first car, following my pastor. Just happened to put on my seatbelt for the first time that day. I was a teenager. Didn't always wear my seatbelt. But that day, I did wear my seatbelt.

And he hit me head on. And basically I destroyed my ACL completely. So I'd have complete, you know, ACL, no, PCL, my PCL ligament, complete repairs. I got a cadaver ligament in my knee. I've got two screws in my knee right now. And you're doing all this stuff. Like, that's even more insane.

I can't believe that you had your knee reconstructed all those years ago. The doctor said I would never run again. That's what the doctor said in the hospital. You know what the doctor also said? Get the booster. I mean, honestly, doctors are going through a hard time right now because they're getting some stuff very wrong. The doctor told you you would never run again. Exactly.

Okay. Have you? I've run a lot since then. You've run thousands and thousands of miles. And hundreds of hours. Do you have that doctor's phone number? Maybe you call them up right now. I mean, that's amazing.

Now, seriously, though, when a doctor says that, they're not saying it for no reason. What happened did you go through tremendous rehab? It was four months of intense rehab every single day just to learn to walk again. I mean, some of the things we take for granted, you know, I'd take it for granted, but to, like to completely repair my knee and then to be in a cast for a couple months and have atrophy of the muscle and have to learn to walk again. What year in high school was this? This would have been my junior, this would have been my sophomore year.

So you were very young. Correct. What are you, 15? 15, 16ish, yeah. And you, uh, but your faith was really strong already then. It was. It was. I mean, I was actually witnessing to the people in the ambulance as they was taking me to the hospital.

I remember going in out of consciousness, you know, telling them if I, if I had died, I go to heaven. Will you go to heaven? I remember having that conversation in the ambulance on the way to Stormont Vale in Topeka, Kansas. Unbelievable. That's beautiful. But the idea that that happened to you, but you're saying that you picked up running again some years ago. When you talk about doing half marathons, marathons, whatever, you just do it on your own or do you enter races or how does that work? Well, I started by entering races. I actually think if people ask me, how can I get into running? I get that question all the time. I say, all right, number one, go enter into a race, put some money into it, because that will motivate you to start training.

And then people think, I got to get new, watch, new shoes. No, go enter a race, because now you're accountable. And then go online and tell everybody that you've entered a race. So now you've paid for something, and now you've publicly told a bunch of people you're going to do something. Right. And that gets people motivated to follow through. And so I entered a bunch of races, completed a bunch of races.

And then, but just got into running a lot on my own, started doing trail runs, which is a whole nether universe. Yeah. I think everybody should be a runner. I think everybody should listen to the Eric Metaxa show. There's a lot of things, I think. There's a lot of things we think, but don't get the jab. Seriously, though, you, you know, you've made this a lifelong thing,

and it is inspiring. It's inspired me. But, you know, it's funny because you and I take our faith really seriously, but a lot of people in the church kind of act like that's irrelevant to faith. And I don't think it is. Like I think God wants us to take care of ourselves. Well, he does. People, you can't be spiritually vibrant and alive if you physically don't take care of your body.

You know, a lot of people need to lose some emotional pounds, you know, literally. You know, some people need to lose, I mean. That's a non-secretary. You can't lose emotional pounds. literally. What do you mean? Okay. Not literally. Meaning they carry a lot of baggage from the past, trauma, pain, unforgiveness. And they need to let that go. So, you know, your emotional life and your physical life affect your spiritual life. You can't separate them. I mean, you can't separate, you know, those things. So if you want to be spiritually healthy, you better get sleep. You

better eat healthy. There's a lot of things. Combine that. It's more than just pray more, read your Bible more. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's interesting because that, you know, I always tie everything into my latest book because it's on my brain constantly. But the idea that Christian faith is a theological thing, it's not. It's everything. It's, it's your whole life is to be transformed on every level. And some people are going to work on this. Some people are going to work on this. But, but God wants us to be everything we can be, not just because he wants us. to self-actualize or some self-help idea. But he loves us, and he wants to heal us of whatever it is, and everybody's got different

stuff. Everybody desires transformation. And they go to the church to look for it, and they don't discover it. They get disenfranchised and leave. Some people don't go to the church to find transformation. They look 10 other different ways. But deep inside of every person desire to be something they're not right now. And so if doing this run every day, I didn't want to just inspire people.

I wanted people to aspire for themselves to become something different and not settle for anything less than they could do, be, create, or give. Again, most people just settle, the bar is so low in their life and they need to raise it. And sometimes it takes radical people, crazy people. I think it was Steve Jobs said it was the crazy ones that actually changed the world, you know. Well, I mean, there's a lot to that. But, you know, and again, we're not talking crazy crazy. We're talking the right kind of crazy. or the right kind of wild.

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nine. This is important. So we're just asking you to be to be generous and thank you. Malachi, there's a lot of suffering in the world. But it's interesting. Here we are in America and we're so blessed in America that we have kind of the opposite problem. Like we have people eating too much food, eating bad food. And they suffer. They end up suffering. And I think there are a lot of people that they think, well, it's one thing for you to be able to do what you do, but it's hard. Because you know we've talked about mental health stuff. For some people, this is hard. And my heart goes out to them because I've experienced some heart.

I've experienced some stuff. I get some of this, that this is not easy. Yeah, but I think people need to choose their own hard because everybody in life is going to go through tough things. And choose what your definition of heart is. Like people have asked me, I have said, I don't choose to call what I'm doing hard. I choose to call it challenging. I choose to call having cancer hard. I choose to call losing a loved one hard.

challenging, yes, not hard, but in life, everybody has to choose their own hard and find a way to press through it if they're going to really become all they need to become. Right. And again, this is not about self-actualization, but it's kind of like, I guess. We're so afraid of that concept, though. I'm with you on that. But so many people are, that sounds to, no, it really is just coming to kind of more of authentic true self that God made us to be and being honest about the physical, the spiritual, the emotional coming together. Well, it's sort of what you do with it because you and I were talking yesterday that there are people who achieve things, even in the ultra running world. They're all about themselves. So they've kind of turned this into an idol about I'm amazing and I'm – and you and I are saying, no, it's not about that. God is amazing and God loves us. And that's pretty different, basically.

100%. And we want to do what we want to do for his glory, which is really different. It's not about me. It's about God. Or at least that's what we want it to be. We want it to be about God. I think just being a good human being, I mean, yes, because we're believers, that's what drives us. But just being a good human being is being kind to others and really not being self-centered, self-focused.

I mean, I think it's just a good human trait to be. It's true for everybody. Right. It's true for everybody. So you set yourself these goals. And again, you said you're going to write a book. about it. But I want to talk a little bit about you mentioned being in Asbury recently. And you're a student of revival. You have been a pastor for many years and you've studied revival.

Is it your sense that we are experiencing the beginnings of revival in America? 100%. 100%. I mean, I believe like when a thunderstorm comes, the analogy of there's raindrops that start to fall in the sound of thunder right before the downpour comes. I believe we're starting to see the mercy drops of revival hit, and I believe there's a greater downpour coming. I believe scripture teaches us there's going to be one last great revival that brings in a massive harvest of souls. I believe that's where we are.

But I believe, you know, there's pockets of things that Jesus is doing in churches across the nation no one knows about. But when people hear about them, they get excited. And then we have Asbury take place. There's not one person that can get the credit for that. I mean, it wasn't a great sermon. It wasn't a great band. it was just the hunger of a people in a room that refused to leave because they wanted to worship

Jesus. And I believe that we're on the precipice of the next great awakening. And so I believe there's many people reject it. And I love what one pastor says. You know, the number one sign that we're in a Jesus movement is when the Jesus people are more concerned about Jesus and they are the movement. And so I really believe that's where we are. Well, and I also think it has to do with the craziness of where we are in America right now. People are waking up. I mean, things are so crazy that a lot of people that ordinarily wouldn't wake up are just saying, wait a minute, something is profoundly wrong. Children are destroying their lives. They're being sold as transgender ideology. I mean, it's madness. And I think most normal people say,

yeah, this is not, this is not normal. This is, this is, something is wrong. Well, in the history of our nation, the United States of America was forged in revival from the first grade awakening that took place right before our founding, to the prayer revival that took place right before the Civil War, to the Jesus' movement that took place right after the Vietnam War, we're a nation that about every 50, 60 years in our history, we've had something amazing like this happen, and people need to go back and read those stories and believe again that God can do more. I think we're at a time. We'll be right back. Get ready for a riveting new documentary called Come Out in Jesus' Name in theaters nationwide March 13th. It follows

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is my guest. Malachi, people can find you on Instagram and Twitter. Malachi O'Brien. Not a lot of Malachi O'Brien's out there. Who would name a kid Malachi? Come on. I didn't even have Christian parents. That's the craziest thing. There's no faith in our family. But Malachi is like,

a very Irish name. Yes. Malachi, O'Brien. My opinion is it came because of children of the corn. Yeah, I'm sure that's the reference they were going for. So, but people can follow you on on social media and where you've been documenting every day what you've been doing. But so tomorrow, you know, your family, they want you back because this has been a huge sacrifice for them. So tomorrow you'll be with them. You'll run the final, uh, the final consecutive marathon. And do you, I mean, what does somebody do after they've done something like, you know, it's like when I talked to Apollo 16 astronaut Charlie Duke,

and he's giving us the details of this moment in his life 50 years ago when he landed on the moon. It's this exquisite detail that he's lived with his whole life. But when he came back, he was like, okay, now what? When you do anything great, you know, there's the now what? What are you thinking? How do you deal with that? Well, I don't know exactly what I'm going to do because this has become so ingrained in my life. So I already, we've taught before, I've already planned a few other goals in mind because I think that's key to not sinking into depression because it's over because the high goes away.

Like the victory, the prize, it leaves fast. And so I've already planned a few other things. But actually one of the things I look forward to is getting back to the prayer room, spending more time with the Lord at the prayer room. Well, you think people know what you're talking about? They don't. How about telling the people who are listening what you mean by that? You live in Kansas City. Yes, I live in Kansas City.

I live exactly 17 minutes, and I've actually ran to there, to the prayer room at the International House of Prayer in Kansas City. This is Mike Bickle, International House of Prayer. I was there a year and a half ago, and they have a prayer room there. 24-7 for the last 23 years. There's never been a moment. There's not been prayer and worship going on from that place in the last 23 years. So that's part of what you want to do when you go back? Yeah, I love the prayer room.

It's part of my life. I really just want to, especially Asbury, really affected me. It actually reignited my heart as a pastor to be a better pastor, to better love our people and help not to be a typical pastor. I have thoughts about that. But again, to lead our people to want to hunger and spend more time before the Lord. So that's one thing I want to get back to because I've been praying and listening to the Bible while I'm running.

that's a little different than just, you know, being still. You know, so I look forward to that. I look forward to spend a little bit more time with my kids, actually, because my wife and kids have paid a sacrifice because I've not always been at everything because of doing this. So I look forward to spending time with them. But I look forward to finding new ways to push the limit. I mean, I really, it's not sadistic,

but I really look forward to finding out what is the mental and physical and emotional limit that a person can go to. I've got a challenge I know you won't be able to do. Do not run for 150. 53 consecutive days. I know that's something you can never do. You're not capable of that. You ran 22 miles this week.

I'm impressed. No, just yesterday. Yeah. I ran before that. I mean, I try to run, not every day, but there's a question. Will I run today? I don't know. I don't think I have time.

I think I have like some doctor's appointment or something like that, which frustrates me. Because I was thinking, like, maybe I should run a little bit today. Yeah, I had to face that every day. like I didn't make it that this run was going to be the number one thing I do no matter what. I ran when I was sick. I ran when it was snowing. I ran it was raining. I ran at 1 in the morning.

I ran at 11.30 at night. It just became a non-negotiable. And it wasn't up for debate at any given moment. There was no debate, no negotiation. But you helped me figure out a day to end and tomorrow's that day. I'm going to finish the last mile on our high school track with the local track team. I'm going to speak to the track team. I share a few things I've learned.

from this. Like one of the things, I mean, I've learned so many things. Like, I actually maybe started running so people would know who I am. Like, that matters. Like, that's going to change the world. But in the midst of running, I've discovered who I am. It's not so much people know who I am. I've begun to discover who I am. And that's been a gift. So what time tomorrow in Kansas City will you be doing the marathon? Or do you, you haven't decided yet? Actually, I'll probably start around nine in the morning. I'll take it a decent pace. But I'll finish around a little after 315 the afternoon. I'll save the final mile to run with the track team and the people there.

So I'll be at 25 miles when I go speak to the track team and then go on the track. And, you know, probably have like the top gun soundtrack in the background. Why finish this final lap, you know? It's just unbelievable. And again, it does. It challenges me because there's something joyful about running these long distances. People think like it's suffering. It doesn't need to be, folks.

You don't need to push yourself to where you're in agony. You can do it at a leisurely... I mean, the fact that you and I were able to talk about so many things. Suffering is coming to the end of your life with regrets of things that you knew you should have done but didn't do. Decisions you should have made, risks you should have taken. I don't want to live my life and live to be 104 years old. Because I want to set that Guinness World Record, by the way. Oh.

And to be the longest person's ever lived in modern history. And I don't want to look back and go, I wish I would have tried that. Yeah. I want to leave it. I want to leave it all on the field. Leave it all on the table. Yeah, because there's no heaven. It's all about this life.

Well, you're somebody who knows heaven is real and you still feel that way. And I just think that's interesting. That's part of living, you know, that eternal life now. It's not all about when I get to heaven. It's, and so that's. It's something like, I wish the church would awaken to what we have now. the beauty of Jesus now, the eternity now, like there's so much more available. I mean, it literally, we're settling for crumbs when there's a feast available.

And I think God wants to wake up the church to real Christianity, which is fiery Christianity. Well, that much I know is true that, and we talked about this with Barry McGuire, and I'm talking about it more and more in the sermons that I'm speaking. Like, God is calling us to 24-7 adventure, and we're settling for, you know, I do this little church thing on Sunday mornings. Oh, we're at a time again. We'll be right back. Final segment with my friend Malachi O'Brien, not a made-up name.

Malachi, again, today, which is to say this will be Wednesday of this week, even though we're taping this on Tuesday because you're still with me in New York, but you will have finished your 153rd consecutive marathon. And I just want to say, congratulations. This is just like an astonishing thing that you've done. I can't wait until the Guinness book officially recognizes it because they have to go through all of the... If I would pay a significant amount of money, they would go through it faster. I'm not going to pay it.

I'm going to just take the slow route. But there is a way to expedite it. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah, you haven't been running to raise money. So it's not like you've raised money and you can whatever. But I do hope you will write a book. about it and we can talk about it. And we can just talk more about all this other stuff. I mean,

you've been, as I said before, a student of the history of revival. And we're seeing that in our country. And you just said, was it Mike Bickle said something? Yeah. In 1982 or 1983, Mike Bickle said the Lord told him that he was, the Lord was going to change the expression of Christianity in one generation. It was a prophetic word the Lord gave to Mike Bickle. And we're seeing that play out before our very eyes right now. I think that's right. I mean, the old expression was, go to church, do your thing, pay your tithe, be a part of a Bible study. But there's a generation that wants 24-7.

They want a vibrant faith that they want to sit before the Lord, they want to burn before them, they want to go out and make a difference. And so I really believe that's come to pass before our very eyes. Well, I mean, and again, it's what God designed us for. He didn't design us to keep our faith in this little religious corner. It's supposed to affect your entire life. and that's joy. That's not, you know, harsh burden, just the opposite. Now, so if you think it's a harsh burden, you're getting it wrong, which is what I talked to Barry McGuire about.

I mean, it can be such a joyful adventure. And I think there are a lot of people, you and I've talked about this, who they have a theology, they kind of act like God is not alive or he's not speaking today or he's not doing miracles today. And I just think, wow, that would be a bummer. of a faith. I'm glad it's not true. You'd have to be ignorant to history to believe that God doesn't speak today and doesn't do supernatural things that. You'd have to really be oblivious to the history of revival and to the history of awakenings and to how God's done spoken, has done, it's done great things about history. And so, and again, it's sad because there's so much more

available. And I mean, there's been critics of this last revival. And you've said, we've got to ignore the critics. They're jugheads. Yeah. No, but it is kind of funny. Like there are these nattering nabobbs of negativism to quote William Sapphire, it was actually in the mouth of Vice President Spiro Agnew at the time, but the nattering nabobs of negativism, they are just, they're exactly like Jesus referred to the children in the marketplace that, you know, you will complain when I sing a dirge, you didn't mourn, when I played the pipe, you did not. No, there's no matter what you do, they will find some negative twist on it, and it gives them some sick joy to kind of reign on your parade. And anybody who finds something

wrong with what happened in Asbury. Oh my goodness. Are they aware of the evil and suffering in this world? When you see students just prostrating themselves before God and asking God to come. I mean, it's so beautiful. It's such a beautiful gift. It's dangerous to actually be as critical as some people have been because they're attributing the work of God to the enemy to Satan. And the Bible speaks very clearly about how dangerous that is. Yeah, a little dangerous to get something that important that wrong. But it's, yeah. And Eric, I'll just say this. I want revival. If anything from Azbriot, I need revival. The people that need revival the most live like they need it the least. And people that need

revival the least live like they need it the most. All right, we're going to leave it there. Malachi O'Brien has been my guest. Malachi, again, just congratulations. An amazing accomplishment. We'll be following up with you, young man. Thank you. Thank you.