The Eric Metaxas Show - Mallory Millet

Episode Date: August 9, 2021

Mallory Millet has had a long and varied career and association with the world's elite, including almost dating Mick Jagger, calming the nerves of Marlon Brando, and hobnobbing with Mother Theresa.

Eric McTaxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Hey there, sports fans. I like to have fun on this program, and usually that involves friends of mine talking about fun stuff. For example, my friend Mallory Millett, Mallory Millett, Danaher. First of all, welcome back to the program. Thank you. Usually when you're on the program, we're talking about all this political stuff because you're just, I met you through our mutual friend, Ann Coulter, and you're very active political.

So you're a director of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, blah, blah, blah. We're not going to talk about any of that. The last time we had dinner, you started telling me truly amazing stories of your encounters with huge celebrities in the show business world. So before we get into how you know one giant name after the other and your experiences with them, Mallory, how did you get involved in show business to be? begin with because now I think of you mainly as a political activist, but how did you get involved? Well, I was in the Rochester Theater Guild in Rochester, Minnesota, briefly before I then

went to live in the Philippines. Why did you live in the Philippines? Well, this was my first marriage, which has been annulled, and this is the father of my child. And he was made president of 3M Asia at the tender age of 29. And we were sent suddenly. over to the Far East. And I found myself living in Manila. So I joined the Manila Theater Guild, which was a group of people who had survived the Santo Tomas prison camp

in World War II. They decided they got together in the camp and decided if they did a little theater group in the camp, they might all survive because they have something that's occupying them. So they were a fantastic group of people. And once the war was over, they situated themselves in the Army Navy Club

on Manila Bay. right there in this gorgeous big Army Navy, very Somerset mom kind of setting, you know. And they did this fantastic theater, absolutely wonderful. I had a ball working with these people. So I produced for them. I produced the Fantastics in Southeast Asia, which was a big hit. Not many people can say that. I produced the Fantasticics in Southeast Asia. Wow. Okay, so when that stint is over, you come back to the United States and then what? Continue in show business. Well, I had been gone for four years, never came back, even for a Christmas.

So suddenly I'm transplanted back to America, and I have to make a living because I've lost my marriage. I'm there with a little child, and I decided, well, the only thing I know how to do is act. So I'll see if I can get somewhere in Hollywood. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So what happened? But, I mean, you told me stories the other day, like of friendships with people like Michael

Cain and Shelley living with Shelley Winters as I thought, you've got to be kidding. You've got to come on the program and tell us some of these stories. So the first one maybe is the Mick Jagger story. The Mick Jagger story is the first one I've set up to tell you today. Now, this was about the most glamorous weekend probably I ever spent in my life. It was in 1987 and I was living with Joan Collins. And she was at the... All right there.

Right there. What? What? It's 1987. and you're living with Joan Collins? How do you know Joan Collins? Well, you know, one of the basic supports of this entire thing of mine is my friend Minda. I met a woman named Minda, Filipino when I came to Los Angeles.

Everybody said, you've got to look up Minda. She knows everybody in town. And she really did know everybody in town. Minda was a hostess with the Mostis. She gave the greatest parties. She was the most glamorous woman you ever saw. your life. She wasn't an actress, but she had so many famous friends. And it was just stunning. And once I met her, I started meeting everybody. So this is the Filipino connection.

Yes. So Minda introduces you to people. So you met Joan Collins. Minda introduced me to Joan Collins. And she brought me to her, Minda had a yacht in the Mediterranean, and she brought me to her yacht to stay for the Cannes Film Festival. And Joan was one of the other people. In fact, the only people on the boat right then were Minda, myself, and Joan Collins, just the three of us. And so Joan and I bonded right away. And then she said, I want you to come and stay with me in Los Angeles. I'm going to try to help you get work as an actress. So I came and I stayed for a couple of months with John Collins.

With Joan Collins. And so we concocted this weekend where we were going to fly to Las Vegas. Now, she was at the height of Dynasty. She was at the absolute piece. So this is the late 80s. Yes, 87. It's so funny because Joan Collins is old enough now that she has several iterations in her career. I mean, she was a big deal in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s.

But most people know of her as, you know, with, it was, what is it, John Forsyth in Dynasty. I was not watching TV during those years. But she's well known for that. So this is the period when she's a huge deal again. She's the biggest thing. She's on 15 magazine. covers a week. I mean, it was stunning. And to be staying with her during that time was just just an absolute hoot, you know. And she's one of the funniest people in the world. She's

very fun, very entertaining. You know, you say you're my friend, but you have not delivered Joan Collins to this program as a guest. Albin, just make a note of that because Mallory said she would do that. Hasn't happened yet. But there's just a window of opportunity, Mallory, before you go in the black book. Albin has a black book, don't you, Albin? Yeah, he's got several Okay, seriously, though, I can't get over this. Tell us what happened on the crazy weekend with Joan Colleen. So, John says, we're going to go, I've got a private jet, and we're going to go to Las Vegas, and we're going to be the guest of Frank Sinatra at his big appearance at Caesar's Palace. And we're going to go to the Marvin Hagler Sugar Ray Leonard boxing match. Holy cow.

And we're taking a private plane. There are five of us taking this plane there. And we're going to have so much fun. So for weeks we looked forward to this. This was absolutely such a thrill. This is the kind of worldly experience I warn my viewers against. Please continue. So, yes. So anyway, the day...

Now, meanwhile, I had another very good friend named Pablo Farrow, who was a major trailer producer. He did credits for films, the most famous films in the world, Pablo did. And he had told me that he was going to be spending a few weeks with Mick Jagger because he was working with Mick on a documentary about a tour of Mick's. And so I said, oh, wow, I'd love to meet Mick Jagger. And he said, okay, I'm going to make sure you meet Mick Jagger. So I was just a regular person who would be thrilled

to meet Mick Jagger was all it was. Now, Thomas and I had just been married in 85. Right. So I was a completely totally married woman. Yeah. And so I never was. That's not going to stop Mick. No. He's an equal opportunity groper. So anyway, the day of the flight to Las Vegas with Joan and our friends, I get a call in the morning from Pablo. You can meet Mick today. I said, oh, my gosh, this is the most inconvenient day. Oh, gosh, how am I going to do this?

I'm dying to meet him. And he said, well, come about 1 o'clock to the Tadeo studio in Hollywood, and we're doing mixing together all day. We're just going to be working so you can show up anytime you want to come around 1 o'clock, which would be convenient for us too. But anytime you show up will be fine. And I said, but I've got this plane I have to catch that's leaving at about 7 o'clock from Burbank or Santa Monica, one of those private airports.

And he said, but you just come, just come. So I thought, okay, I'll be all ready for the trip, and then I'll just go to meet Mick at the studio, and I'll just go to the airport from there. because I didn't know how long it would take or what would be going on. So I show up at the studio and my friend Pablo ushers me in and he brings me into a room that's about maybe three times the size of this room, a huge room, very big room he lets me into. Now I'm expecting Mc Jagger, you know, jumping Jack Flash.

Yeah, he's going to be prancing around the room, obviously. In a T-shirt and, you know, tights or something. and you know and Pablo ushers me into this room this huge room is completely empty except for Mick Jagger he's all alone in the middle of this room and it's one of these rooms where there's sort of a console of some kind in the middle there and he's standing next to it and Pablo ushers me in and the next thing I know I'm all alone in this enormous room with Mick Jagger and I was Is this a family kind of story rea because people like to listen to this room it was it We're going to go to break, folks, and I'm going to privately vet the rest of this story,

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So right now we're talking about your experience with Mick Jagger. So you're in the middle of a room with Mick alone. What happens? Well, so first of all, I am so stunned at what's before me because this is not even remotely the person I thought I was meeting. What does that mean? Standing in front of me is the most exquisitely haberdashed, unbelievably extraordinarily glamorous British gentleman.

So he was dressed nicely. He was not just wearing a... He was wearing the most gorgeous Saville-Roe three-piece suit than you ever saw. He could probably afford it. In your entire life. I have never seen any man before or since put out the way this man was. He had on the most gorgeous three-piece suit, the most beautiful shirt, the most exquisite tie, so perfectly tied. Everything was so...

I was breathless. Yeah. This was not Mick Jagger. His hair was so beautifully quaffed. He was at British. gentleman of the poshest. He was so posh. So why was he dressed that way

in a mixing studio? Yes, I expected him to be in working attire. I have no idea. I have no idea why he was dressed this way. I began to realize that this was maybe intended by them as some kind of fix-up that he thought he was going on a date with me.

I didn't know. So Pablo, honey, you're not much of a friend. Yes, this is how Thomas feels. Hey, Pablo, honey. Thomas is furious with Pablo because when we realized, I realized later that that was, you know, but anyway, so Mick Jagger and I stood at this place. Yeah. First of all, first of all, I have to tell you, he offered me his hand. Yeah.

I at that point experienced a handshake, the likes of which I have never except only. He's just like creeping with STDs. And, yeah. No, I, yeah. In my life, there's this handshake and one other that struck me so deeply. He had the warmest, deepest, most compassionate, most human. I have no idea what you're talking about, but please continue. His handshake was so incredible.

To this day, I remember that handshake. I can't imagine what that means. The beauty of his handshake, the warmth and the friendliness. Do you think this was like he's coming on to you, handshake? Well, you know, I wasn't thinking like that at all. Obviously, Mallory. I'm trying to help you all these decades later to try to make sense of what just sounds like a kind of a creepy little setup. No, it was just another human being shaking my hand.

And I was deeply shaken by the intelligence, the warmth, the tenderness, the humanity of that hand. clear, Satan comes as an angel of light. So Mick wants to make it with the beautiful woman that's excited to meet him. And so what happens? So this is part of my point. You've hit right on part of my point here in the whole wrap-up of stories, is that handshake. And we spent about three hours. We never moved.

Shaking hands? No. We stood in the same spots we were in where we shook hands, and we stood there, and we talked for about two and a half to three hours. We never moved. We never sat down. We never anything. We hit it off so big.

We had so much fun together. He was the most wonderful conversationalist. He was such a gentleman. Why does he care to talk to you? Who are you? He could talk to anybody he wants. I have no idea. I've got an idea.

Yeah, right. So at the end of the three hours or so, I'm getting very nervous. I've got to break away. I've got to make this plane. Wait, so your friend Pablo hit the road? He's not in the room? Oh, Pablo was never there. He introduced me and left.

And so Mick and I are alone for three hours in this room, just yababababab, dab, dab, dab, dab, dapping. Talking, having so much fun, laughing. He is. Did you talk about anything that you can repeat on the program? I don't really remember. It was just gossip. It was just fun. It was just chit-chat.

And the thing of it is that he's, you know, he's a graduate of the London School of Economics. Yes, I'm quite aware. And so he's really nothing like what he's delivering on the stage. He has created this character. Yeah. He's a master-mark. And sure, excuse me. That water's for you, by the way.

He's marketing this character, Jumpin' Jack Flash. But is there a denouement that you can share with the program, or is it just too horrifying? Well, no, what it is is that I said I must leave. I have to go to this weekend. Yeah. Excuse me. And did he say perhaps we can get together and shake hands again? I've got a hole in my schedule.

schedule where we can shake hands? No. He asked me to dinner. He said, we have to go to dinner. I said, I can't go to dinner. I have to meet this plane. At what point did you mention you were married to the guy sitting over there who's a friend of mine and I'm angry on his behalf? Mallory, at what point did that come up? I'm sure from the very beginning I let him know that I was married. But he wanted me to have dinner. He wanted to continue the conversation. Of course. And I said, but I have to meet this plane. I've got to go. I've got to go. Oh, no, please stay and have dinner with me.

Well, I'll make sure you this, that, this. I said, no, I really can't. I have to go. I have to go. And so Pablo had come back because I really needed to leave. And Pablo was ushering me out. And Mick is still saying, please stay and have dinner. And I'm saying, I really can, I really can't. And Pablo is chasing me out into the parking lot, chasing me, screaming. But it's Mick Jagger. It's Mick Jagger.

Yeah, this is your chance to be. He mauled at great length. You have your life ruined. You have your life totally destroyed. And I'm saying to him, I don't care if it's making Mous or Santa Claus. I don't care who it is. I've promised people I'm going to meet this plane. So I went off and I met the plane and I went to Las Vegas and we saw Frank Sinatra and we sat ringside.

Did you shake his hand? I think so. Uh-huh. And how long did that take? It wasn't the same. But Joan, you know, has. was his special guest. Joan was,

was Frank's special guest. She was, yes, his special guest that night. And so we sat right up front and he sang every song to Joan. It was absolutely thrilling.

Did they shake hands? I don't know. Do you think they ever shook hands? I didn't notice. Interesting. I don't know. But then we went to the Marvin Hagler Sugar Ray Leonard

Leonard. Right. Now, boxers always come out. They shake hands. But this was this weekend was just full of nothing about this. So Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard. This was the big fight in 87. So you didn't just go there just for a little nothing Frank Sinatra concert.

No, no, no. You went there for, I mean, this is pretty glamorous. It was incredible. Did you get to meet Frank? Yes. Oh, yes. But you didn't shake hands. I don't know.

I might have to take hands. He shook hands with Abe Gardner. I'll tell you that much. But so did Mickey Rooney. And I've shaken hands with Mickey Rooney. Okay. So that was that weekend. It was just overwhelming for me because I'm just a little girl from St. Paul, Minnesota.

You know, I'm not used to all of this sort of thing, you know. And by the way, just so you don't feel badly, Mick Jagger is very, very picky about the people with whom he shakes hands. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he has standards. He has standards. I don't think there are probably more than five or eight thousand people that have taken to him. Exactly. Exactly. I'm not interested in men like that.

Do you have a, now I know you've got a story about Mother Teresa, you've got a story about David Bowie, you've got Marlon Brando stories. What should we start, just to cleanse our palate from the, from the ickiness of what transpired in the mixing room. Well, what I want people to take away from the mixing thing is that the man that they're seeing up there is not who he is. He is a very well-educated, very gentlemanly. Yes, quite a womanizer. But, I mean, he's just, he's created this whole character. That was the shock to me. That was the big shock.

I never expected to be meeting maybe the classiest man I ever met, which I did not think McJaggar was remotely. So it was quite a revelation. Now, the David Bowie thing is something that happened in 1973. My friend Lisa and I were sort of stuck in London. Lisa Shreve? Yes. So I know Lisa.

So you guys are stuck in London in 73? We were stuck in London. We wanted to get back to New York and we were very poor. We had so little money on us. So we discovered this positioning cruise leaving Southampton for New York City. What did you call it? It's a positioning cruise where a ship goes. This is a family show, so I want you to be very careful.

Where a ship goes to a destination that's not really what they're, they're going somewhere in order to pick up their passengers for a cruise. But they have to get to the place where they're picking up the passengers. Right. So this ship had to cross the North Atlantic. It was called the Camberra, and it had to cross the North Atlantic in January. So they were offering gorgeous sweets almost for free. I mean, you could get on this ship and go across the North Atlantic in the midst of wild storms for next to nothing. Right.

And so Lisa and I got on this ship, and we come aboard the ship, and we realize we're the only people under the age of 70 on this ship. First of all, and second of all, it's made up for about 2,000. passengers and there must have been 20 passengers on this entire ship. Was this some kind of a creepy expectation that you'd be required to shake hands in order to get off the ship? No. No. So this was on the up and up.

This was on the up and up. And so Lisa and I got this gorgeous state room and we go down to our first dinner and in the dining room walks David Bowie. Never heard of them. Folks, when we come back, we're going to get to some real celebrities. This is crazy. Don't go away. We'll be right back. Folks, I'm talking to Mallory Millett. Mallory Millett, Danaharer, the website, Mallory Millett, M-I-L-E-T-T-T-com.

Mallory Millett.com. Okay, you... We're in the dining room of the camp area. David Bowie walks into the dining room for dinner. But this is 1973. Yes. It's a long time ago. Holy cow. Very long time ago.

And first of all, he appears sort of as if he's on stage at the dining room. and he's wearing an orange plaid zoot suit. Right. And foot high platforms. Right. It's 1973. What do you expect him to wear? Bright orange hair.

Yeah. He shows up in this dining room with nothing, with like 12, 75-year-olds who have no idea who he is at all. And Lisa and I are looking at him and thinking, who is this guy? Oh, you didn't know who he was. Such a freak. He is in his Ziggy Star Dardust mode. And we looked at each other and said, is that? that Zyggy Stardust guy because we had his album.

It could be, it might be. So anyway, the next day at lunch, Lisa and I are having lunch, and he and his friend, Jeffrey McCormick, who was his bongo player, had entered the restaurant again, and they were sitting behind us. They were sitting behind us the whole time. And I'm saying to Lisa, don't make eye contact with these freaky people. I don't want anything to do with these people. Please, let's really avoid them.

Let's avoid them. They look like insane people. So anyway, all of a sudden, Lisa says, they're talking about us right now. I said, what do you mean? I said, they're back there, and they're looking at us and talking and looking at us and talking. Well, you're very young women, attractive young women, and Ziggy Stard us identified as a, I don't know, something. Total freak. Anyway, so she says, Mallory, they're walking over here.

I said, no, no, no, no, don't let them walk over here. Don't look at them, look down, keep eating. And sure enough, the next thing we know they're standing at our table, hello girls, and the next thing we know they're sitting down and we're chit-chatting with David Bowie and his bongo player. And I'm thinking, dear God, get me out of this situation. These older people are seeing us here now, and they're going to think we're going to associate you with David Bowie.

Well, so I just didn't want to be associated with them. And so anyway, we hit it off, and we started talking, and we got along, We had a lot of fun. And they said, would you like to come to our state room because we'd like to play some of our music for you? And we said, well, they were on their way to do his American debut at Radio City Music Hall, which had been sold out,

and they were on their way to do this big show. So they brought us to the stateroom, and the next thing I know, Lisa and I are sitting on this sofa, and David Boy is lying on the floor in front of us, between sitting on the floor and lying on the floor, playing his guitar. and singing his entire repertoire for the show at Radio City Music. Sounds to me like you might want to shake your hand.

No, no. There was not the slightest suggestion of anything like that. Now, we ended up spending the entire week crossing the North Atlantic amidst violent storms. Is that a euphemism? No, it's not, Eric. Crossing the North Atlantic. Hey, there's kids that listen to this program. So you're crossing the North Atlantic.

Yes. Wink, wink, wink. With David Bowie. No, wink, wink. Bongo player. And the Bongo player. And they were perfect gentlemen. Right.

Nobody ever came on to anybody. And we spent the entire week with them. For six days, we were on the ship, which, by the way, everybody who worked on the ship was sick. Everybody on the ship was sick. So we were on an empty, like a ghost ship. We were the only four people who weren't sick on the ship. And everybody else, all the crew, everyone, were busy barfing in their cabins. The place smelled like that.

vomit. The entire ship was just overwhelmed with this stench. And David and Jeffrey and Lisa and I spent the entire week wandering around this ghost ship. So did you maintain contact with David Bowie after this? Well, now wait. There's more. So anyway, he invites us to go to the Radio City musical thing. It's a least he can do. Yeah. And we go to that. And, you know, it's a wonderful thing. We have this fantastic voyage with him where the storms, the storms were so great that we would go. go up and sit up in the top viewing area of the ship and look out over the bow and the waves were coming all the way across the bow and hitting the windows that we were sitting behind. It was a wild, stormy, insane six days where the four of us just ran around the ship having fun all by ourselves because there was nobody else even to see or look at or anything. There was hardly anybody in the dining room.

It was a very fun six days. And they sang all their songs to us, and we did. And there was no suggestion of any shaking hands or anything. And so we arrived and went to the concert, and then that was that. You know, it was. And then you never contacted him again? Well, the thing that David and I had in common, and the reason we were all on the ship is because neither David nor I would fly.

And we'd spent a lot of time during the six days talking about all that, about what a pain it was to not to fly, and how you have to take ships and trains everywhere and all that stuff. So that ends and that's over and that's in 1973. In 1993, Thomas and I are living in the building that we still... You're still married to Thomas? I'm still married to Thomas. After all these shenanigans? I'm disgusted. Thomas, I'm with you.

Okay, so seriously, 93, go ahead. 93, and we're living in this beautiful condo building where we've bought a unit and we're just busy finally moving in and getting everything straightened out. and we hear that David Bowie has moved into the building. And so that was incredible, you know. So, but one day, I think it was just shortly after he moved in with Imam. Not Imam. Iman.

Iman. Yes. Imam is a Muslim cleric. Yes, yes. Iman is the beautiful model whom he married. Yes. You know what? We're going to a break.

When we come back, we're talking Marlon Brando, Mother Teresa, Tony Ben. Bennett, Elizabeth Taylor. This is nuts. Michael Caine or whatever Mallory wants to talk about. We're talking Mick Jagger, David Bowie, and Mother Teresa. Don't go away. Hey, folks. We're talking cookie showbiz anecdotes with Mallory Millett.

Mallory Millett.com. Mallory, okay, so 93, so 20 years after the crazy crossing the Atlantic, wink, wink, so you're telling me that David Bowie moves into the same building where you and my buddy, Thomas, Dana, her. I'm not quite sure. I knew that he had moved in or not, honey. I'm not quite sure, did I? But what happened?

All I know is, all I remember is that in 1993, I'm walking in from the garage into the lobby of our building. Yeah. And the lobby of our building is kind of the whole length of this whole room here. So imagine me coming in the back of this room. Yeah. And just as I entered from the back from the garage, I look across the huge lobby of our building and coming through the door

at the exact time on the front door is David Bowie. Was the bongo player with him? No, just David by himself. Beautifully, beautifully dressed in a gorgeous gray suit. I'll never forget that either. Did he shake your hand? So I'm coming in and he appears at the front door that far away from me. Yeah.

This is 20 years later. I'm dressed completely differently. I look like a different person. He raises his head up. He sees me and he goes, I'm flying now, are you? You're kidding. I'm not kidding. That is pretty cool.

He said, I'm flying now. Are you? And I said, you remember me? Of course I remember you, Mallory. You're crazy? Of course I remember you. Are you flying yet? I said, no.

I said, you're living in this building? He said, yes. I said, my gosh, we're neighbors. This is fantastic. This is unbelievable. And we had this wonderful little chat. But he remembered me 20 years later, and that's how he began. I'm flying now, are you?

So I got a question for you. I've always been flying. Are you flying now? No. You still don't fly? No. David Bowie flew. Yes.

He went back to flying. All right. We're going to talk about this later. I've been flying since 1971 with no regrets. Okay, so Mother Teresa creeps into your story. Can we get to her quickly? We've only got moments left in this hour. So this is about Lisa still again now.

Lisa's back in this. Lisa Shreve is back in the story. She's a documentary filmmaker. Go ahead. And she was doing some documentary work with the Petries, who are very famous documentary filmmakers. And they had been working with Mother Teresa on a documentary for a number of years. And so Lisa said to us one day, would you like to meet Mother Teresa? And we said, wow, yes, we would love to.

Let me guess. She was wearing a Saville-Ros suit. No, no. She shook your hand in an unearthly kind of way. Well, yes, that's the, that's, we're getting to the punchline. So anyway, we went out to this place in the Bronx where there was this big long ceremony and we all had to wait. But there were about nine of us or eight of us that were going to, or ten of us, something like that, who were going to be able to meet and talk to Mother Teresa afterwards. Was Pablo in the room or not?

No, no. So anyway, after everything was over and we were all going to meet Mother Teresa, everybody was crowded around. People were acting like John Lennon was in the room. You'd have thought it was a rock star. You'd have thought it was David Bowie. And I could see Mother Teresa's face with all these people crowding around. They're ready to punch each other in the nose to touch the hem of this saint. It was a disgusting display.

Right. Absolutely disgusting display. Lisa was having a little chat with her. Thomas and I are waiting our turn. What year was this roughly? What decade? This is, let me see. You've got notes.

Look at this. It's the summer of 1986. The summer of 1986. So this is a year. before you met Mick. Yeah. Oh, wow. So this is, not that many people knew who Mother Teresa was in 1986.

No, wait. I met Mick in 87, yeah. So, okay. Anyway, so I decide, you know, I have this attitude that God's going to make whatever he wants to have happened to me, happen to me. So I'm not going to punch people out to be able to meet Mother Teresa. You're not there breathlessly shoving people out of them. off into a ditch so I can meet this saint.

So I just said to Thomas, let's leave because this is humiliating. And I can see that she's disgusted. She does not like being treated like a rock star. She's not happy about this at all. So I said, let's leave, let's leave. So we leave, and we're going to try to find a way out of this building. And it's this big, you know, church in the Bronx. It's some enormous cathedral or something.

I don't know what it was, but it was very hard to find your way out. We were going up and down weird hallways and things. And suddenly we came down some little stairs. Lisa had finally caught up with us. And the three of us see a little doorway down there that goes out to an alley. And we said, good, good, this is a way to get out. Okay, don't tell me. McJegger's in the alley.

No, no. You're such a riot. This is one of the funniest people on earth people. This man is so funny. Oh, my goodness. So anyway, we head toward this door. and just as we open this door onto this alleyway, just back, back, thin little tiny alleyway,

we open the door, this pickup truck suddenly pulls up right in front of the doorway and stops. So we've opened the door, and the next thing I know, Mother Teresa is, her face is here. She's sitting in the passenger seat of this pickup truck with the window open, and all of a sudden, Thomas and I are standing here, and here's Mother Teresa's face. Inches away from yours. Right. There she is. Why?

I mean, first of all, there wasn't even time for her again. What's she doing in a pickup truck? No, by the time you get to Sainthood, you're thinking you're driving an SUV, something. No. And how did she get from where she was? Right. And we did all her searching. Maybe she pulled a Padre Pio by location.

You ever think about that? I can't imagine it. Huh? So anyway, there she is in the window, two feet from my face. And she said, well, hello. And I said, Mother Teresa, how wonderful. And she put out her hand, and that's what I was going to tell you. There was a handshake.

Yeah. And this handshake. Now, this was before Mick Jagger. A year before you met Mick Jagger. This was the most exquisite handshake that I have ever, ever until that moment experienced in my life. That woman's heart and soul were in her handshake, the warmth, the beauty of it. She was so warm and open to Thomas. me. She chatted with us a little. When she shook my hand, I kissed her hand. I was so moved by

God creating this insane coincidence, this weird place where we got our own private little moment with her. In a pickup truck. In a pickup truck. And all I have to say is the two greatest handshakes I ever had in my life were from a saint and a bit of a demon. Yeah. That's about right. As you said, Lucifer. One of them was a non-gropey kind of agape love, and the other one was a kind of a more Eros kind of a love. Since we're talking New Testament loves. We're going to a break.

Folks, I wouldn't go away if I were you. Hey, dead, Georgie girl, swinging down the street so fancy free. Nobody you meet could ever see the loneliness there. Inside you. Hey, dead, Georgie girl. Why do all the boys just pass you by? Folks, I'm talking to Mallory Millett. Mallory, I still can't get over.

We've been having this conversation. It starts out with Mick Jagger, Joan Collins, David Bowie. David Bowie, his bongo player. We got Pablo Honey in the mix. And then we end up with Mother Teresa, although Mother Teresa was 86 and Jagger was 87 and Bowie goes 80. But the point is that you have had this kind of a life.

And we're only scratching the surface. I'm going to keep you here. because I want to talk to you about Tony Bennett, Shelley Winters, whom I love Elizabeth Taylor, Michael Kane. You've got all these stories. I love it. They're just so, it's just fascinating. Well, have me back, and I'll tell more of those stories. Well, I'm going to have you back immediately.

We're not going to let you leave the room because I do want to talk to you about that. Now, you said you lived with Shelley Winters. Yes, she gave me her house in Hollywood for two solid years, free, rent-free. What decade was that? This was right around that time. When was that, honey? It was like 86, 87, right around in there. And Shelly had directed me in some plays, and she wanted me to make it big as an actress.

And she was willing to do anything to help me become a star. See, I know Shelly Winters initially. People of my age know her principally from, you know, something like ridiculous, like the Poseidon Adventure, right? Where she plays. I guess she's married to Jack Albertson in that, in the Poseidon Adventure. You got Gene Hackman. You got the whole crazy crew. But, of course, she's an amazing.

actress. And the last time I spoke with you, I was telling you that one of the greatest films is starring Michael Kane and Shelley Winters and it's Alfie. It's the first Alfie, not the one with Jude Law, but it was made in 1967. It is an amazing film, Alfie. And what struck me about it, other than the spectacular acting of Michael Kane, who is so impressive in 1967 and Alfie, but there's an abortion in the film. And this is, of course, six years before Roe v. Wade, So they don't show you anything, but it's clearly portrayed as a horrific thing. It's deeply horrific. And you realize that after that season, Hollywood wouldn't do that anymore.

They were kind of carrying water for the pro-abortion lobby and stuff. But that movie, I mean, it's not about that, but it's just a moment in the film. But you knew Michael Cain, you knew Shelley Winters well. So we're going to keep you around to talk about that. You also met Elizabeth Taylor. Yes. You knew Tony Bennett. And Marlon Brando, you really knew Marlon Brando.

I knew him very well. You knew, what decade was that? That was, okay. Was this like way in the beginning? Yeah, so when I first arrived back in the United States, which was 1968. I met Marlon in 1968. What was he doing that? That was a weird season for him.

That's before the Godfather. He was kind of messed up. Before Superman. He couldn't get arrested. No, he was a mess. I mean, he always was a mess. But the point is that, you know, people of my generation know him initially from the godfather, right? Because that was like one of the greatest films ever made.

And he hadn't done that yet. Right. And then, of course, he has his early career with Elia Kazan and stuff. By the way, do you know that happened next door to where we are? What? Do you know that right next door to where we are is the actress studio? That's where I studied. privately with Lee for three years.

On this block. You know that where we are? Right here. Almost in this building. I can't even believe. It's like right through that wall. See where Albin's sitting. Right on the other side is the ghost of Roland Brando.

That's what we were saying is we pulled up. I said, you know, honey, this is the Lee Strasberg studio. And I studied privately with Lee for three years. And Lee Strasberg, of course, huge deal. Great. He was in the Godfather, too. Greatest acting coach that ever lived. And you know he was in Godfather, too.

Oh, yeah. He played Hyman Roth. Terrible actor. I never, I just hated his acting. Really? Yeah. But he was the greatest acting coach. When Lee Strasberg was watching you work,

it's the greatest audience you ever had in your entire life. Did you feel like in his mind he was shaking your hand? All right, we're going to go to what? We're out of time. Folks, I'm talking to Mallory Millett. Mallory Millett.com. Check it out. Mallory Millett.com.

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