The Eric Metaxas Show - Mark Shaw

Episode Date: November 25, 2022

Mark Shaw in his new book, "Fighting for Justice," has discovered the truth behind the assassination of JFK and shares the explosive "whistleblower" account from a Warren Commission member. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:46 He's written a book called Fighting for Justice, The Improbable Journey to Exposing Cover-Ups about the JFK Assassination and the deaths of Marilyn Monroe and Dorothy Kilgallon. Absolutely thrilled to have you, Mark Shaw. Welcome to this program. Thanks so much, Eric. Appreciate it. Now, for folks who don't know anything about you, how did you get into this? Because anybody who's been alive in our lifetimes know that there's been tremendous controversy and confusion around,
Starting point is 00:01:19 certainly the death of President Kennedy, the death of Marilyn Monroe, and many people haven't even heard of Dorothy Kilgallon. What brought you, what is your background that brought you to investigate these things as you have done over the years? Well, you ask about the, you know, how I got into all of this. And I have no idea in some ways, Eric. When President Kennedy was killed 60 years ago, you know, nearly 60 years ago or a little bit more, you know, I like everybody else, I cried my ears out. I was at Purdue University as a freshman. And yet over the years then, I bought all this material about J. Edgar Hoover saying Oswald alone, Oswald alone, all of that and everything else.
Starting point is 00:02:05 And then I had a real break with this because I knew. Melvin Belli, who represented Jack Ruby, who shot Lee Harvey Oswald. I practiced law with him in San Francisco in the 80s. And when Belli died, I started to look into his life in times, and I found out that, you know, I could have a book there. So I wrote Melvin Belli, King of the courtroom. And what I found out was alarming. A couple things. First of all, he was very close with the mafia. One of his main clients was Mickey Cohen, the Los Angeles gangster. You're talking about, but more than that. You're talking about Beli. You're talking about Marvin Belli was close with the mafia. Melvin Belli. Melvin Beli. Yeah. San Francisco attorney, but also he was known as a
Starting point is 00:02:45 tort lawyer. He was a personal injury lawyer. How in the world, I asked myself, I mean, you're a curious guy. How did he become Jack Ruby's attorney? So I started looking into that, and what I found out was that actually he was hired by those who wanted to silence Jack Ruby for his participation in the killing of Oswald and the JFK assassination. So I take people back. Because there are young people listening to this program who perhaps they've never heard of John F. Kennedy or Abraham Lincoln. We're not going to address those ignoramuses. And I say that in love. But there are plenty of young people that don't know the details that, you know, however many years ago, in 1963, at this time of year, Kennedy is assassinated. The man most believed had killed him, Oswald, was himself killed.
Starting point is 00:03:38 by Jack Ruby. Obviously, we're not going to get anything out of Oswald now because he's dead. Jack Ruby is a complicated figure. He owns a nightclub in Dallas, kind of tied in with the mafia. And you're saying that Marvin Belli, who was a prominent lawyer, I remember him on the Dick Cavett show in the 70s, I think, that Marvin Belli was the lawyer for this Jack Rooby. Ruby. And so you're explaining to us how that came about. And this is complicated, folks. This is one of the reasons Mark Shaw wrote a book about it called Fighting for Justice, because it's, it is complicated. And by the way, the complication is one of the reasons so many people have tuned out because they think it's too complicated. I can't, I'll just accept whatever. We can't, we'll never figure it out. But you have been really dogged at this.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Well, I have. And I'm sorry, it is Melvin, Beli, but they used to some people, you know, to call him Marvin, so that's just fine. But what I found out right away was, you know, how did he become Jack Ruby's lawyer? And then at trial, he wouldn't let Ruby testify. And he used this psychomotor epilepsy insanity defense that made no sense at all. And the jury decided, you know, yeah, you know, this guy was guilty of shooting Oswald. And so they gave him the death penalty. So it was interesting to me because that just seemed too pat to me, and I was concerned about Melvin Belli's connection to the mafia.
Starting point is 00:05:15 So I went backwards. I went back to the 1960 election. In fact, we're going to talk about Dorothy Gilgall in a minute. What she came up with with her investigation is pretty common sense. You go back to the 60 election, and Joe Kennedy knew they were going to lose it to Richard Nixon, JFK, was going to lose. So he recruits these friends of his from the old days, some of the mafia figures, and they helped them win Illinois and West Virginia. They win the election.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Joe made a deal with the devil saying, okay, you help us win the election, Eric. And then we're going to go ahead and we're going to go ahead and leave you guys alone. We're not going to go after you. We just have to pause here and say corruption in elections. goes back to the beginning folks. Okay, boss Tweed, Tammany Hall, 1960, JFK, this is, you know, as close to documented as can be.
Starting point is 00:06:16 But so just so people get the context so they can appreciate the larger story. In 1960, Joseph Kennedy, the father of JFK, RFK, Teddy Kennedy, he had been a bootlegger. He had been involved with dark forces during prohibition. So he has these connections.
Starting point is 00:06:36 He wants his son to be elected president. He makes a deal with these old colleagues. And as you just said, basically says, if you help me to get my son elected president, I will leave you alone. Exactly. And so then I had an eyewitness who was right at a breakfast where Joe ordered JFK to appoint Bobby Kennedy Attorney General. And you can just imagine the reaction from those mafioso
Starting point is 00:07:06 had helped them get in the White House because Bobby Kennedy, during the McClellan hearings, which were those racketeering hearings years earlier, had gone after all those guys, James Hoff, Carlos Marcello, Traficante, Mickey Cohen, all of them. So they were alarmed and they should have been because one of the first things in 1961 that Bobby did was go after Marcello,
Starting point is 00:07:28 who was the New Orleans Don worth millions and millions of dollars, racketeering, prostitution, all kinds of things. Okay, total betrayal. In other words, this is a 100% classic portrayal, like out of a movie, you make a deal with the mob, and as soon as JFK appoints his brother, which is its own bizarreness, but appoints his brother. Everyone knows his brother, R.FK hates the mob and is going to go after them. So at that moment, you have big trouble brewing,
Starting point is 00:07:58 because as far as I know, the mob doesn't like to be double-crossed. Well, and that's when history changed. It really did, for the worst, because he transported illegally Marcello to Guatemala. He nearly died in the jungles, and when he came back on the United States, he vowed, you know, Nick Pilege gave me a wonderful endorsement for this book that's there. And his comments to me at one point was Marky. Wrote Goodfellas. Wise guys, which came Goodfellas. Wise guys, which became the movie.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Yeah, so he's kind of in on this mafia stuff, yeah. He is. And he said to me, you know, Mark, anytime you're talking about a Sicilian like Marcello, revenge is the order of the day. Just let me intercede a little bit because I have a personal experience to show what you can't do with the mafia. When I was with Good Morning America, they sent me to Philadelphia to interview Angelo Bruno, who was the mob boss of Philadelphia about the Atlantic City gambling. I went over there. I interviewed him, Eric. We had that on Good Morning America the next day. The production. Producers were excited. Stay there, Mark. See if you can talk. He'll talk to you again because we were surprised he had. I call his office. I talk to this woman. There's silence. I tell she's crying. And she says to me, well, Mr. Shaw, I guess you don't know. When my boss started his car this morning, they blew it up. You cannot mess around with those guys. Mark, Shaw, that could just been a coincidence. Come on now. That could have been a coincidence. Guys blow up all the time. Don't forget, go to Salem now.com. Salem now.com. Don't forget, please go to EricMethaxas.com and to sign up for my newsletter. We'll be right back.
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Starting point is 00:12:02 Patriotmobile.com slash Eric. That's Patriotmobile.com slash Eric or call 972 Patriot. Folks, I am so excited to have as my guest this hour, Mark Shaw. he's the best-selling author of the reporter who knew too much. The new book, Absolutely Fascinating. It's called Fighting for Justice, The Improbable Journey, to exposing cover-ups about the JFK assassination, the deaths and the deaths of Marilyn Monroe and Dorothy Kilgallon.
Starting point is 00:12:42 We're getting into it here. So it is really fascinating stuff, Mark, and we had Johnny Russo on this program a few times, and he said, you, were absolutely dead on. And he was somebody that was deeply connected with the mob and Frank Costello's boy, so to speak. It's kind of amazing to have him ratify what you're saying. But let's just keep going. Well, I'm probably one of the most least likely people who could have ever done this, Eric. I was a near college dropout at Purdue. It took me six years. I'm not the smartest guy in the world. But I was a criminal
Starting point is 00:13:21 defense lawyer for a number of years and then a network legal analyst for the Tyson case and other kinds and Bryant and O.J. and all that. I always look at motive when you're looking at, you know, who's responsible for a homicide. And so the next book, as you mentioned, it was the reporter who knew too much. And that's where I met this incredible human being, journalist, media icon, Dorothy Kilgallan. Most people know about her from What's My Line, the quiz show on CBS for 10 years. That's all that I knew. And then I started looking into it and I found out that she had really gotten involved in the JFK assassination. They called her the most powerful female voice in America, the Post did. And so I found out that, hey, wait a minute, Dorothy got into this. And she decided
Starting point is 00:14:08 that she needed to go ahead and look into it because she and JFK were very close friends. I have a couple accounts in this book. Number one was from a producer at CBS who was talking to Pierre Salinger in the White House and was interrupted and this producer said, oh, yeah, Dorothy's here. And JFK, who was there, said, well, tell her hello because I used to play charades at her home. There's also another account where Dorothy took her youngest son Carrie to the White House. And JFK made a big fuss over him and letters from his third grade class. So when JFK died, I wrote in the book and what she put in one of her columns, you know, The man who died, I see a tall man who was stooping over a little boy looking at the letters from his third grade class.
Starting point is 00:14:59 That's the man who died in Dallas. And then she just went to Dallas. She went right away. She went to the Ruby trial. She's the only one who interviewed Jack Ruby there. And she really believed that she wrote some columns, the Oswald file must not close. She didn't believe all that bull from Jay Edgar Hoover about Oswald alone. So then what did she do? Well, she was able to interview Ruby, and she ended up in New Orleans, starting her investigation. Well, as we know, that's where Marcello was. And for those that wonder about Marcello being involved with JFK's death, just think about this. In 1963, he's scared in the fall because what's going to happen? He knows Bobby Kennedy is going to go after him again. To be clear, Marcelo is a mob figure.
Starting point is 00:15:51 He is the big mob figure. Probably Johnny Russo told you that. Right. He was connected to all the other people. He is a major mob figure, and he knows that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the Attorney General, is coming after him. It's 1963. So what happens? Well, he sent him to Guatemala.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Marcello got back in the country. And then he's saying to myself, I got to get rid of that SOB Bobby Kennedy. But if I kill him, his brother, Jim. Jack will come after me with everything the government has. But if I kill JFK, orchestrate the death of JFK, Bobby Kennedy will be powerless. And that's the proof here because he was powerless. He resigned as Attorney General,
Starting point is 00:16:35 and he never bothered any of those kinds of people at all. So I kept following that thread, and Dorothy then and her investigation and all of that. And I was able to go ahead and show that after that she went back to New York. She started telling everybody who would listen, I'm going to crack the case wide open. I know it's a conspiracy. I know Marcello's involved.
Starting point is 00:16:55 I know he was connected to Ruby. I know all of this. And on November 8, 1968, 65, she was found dead in her Manhattan townhouse. In a bedroom she never slept in, wearing her fake eyelashes, her hairpiece and her makeup. They said she overdosed on drugs. But in the reporter who knew too much, I proved that she was murdered. There were three barbiturates in her system and all of that. So Dorothy is the key here.
Starting point is 00:17:21 She's the common denominator with all of that and now what we're going to talk about, I hope, with the Warren Commission corruption, because that's the real news in fighting for justice, because I have broken the code of silence lasting for almost 60 years in the Warren Commission by getting inside there and finding out. I'm taking the reader inside the hearings through a whistleblower account by a man that we can talk about just in a minute. Morris Wolf, who was a legislative assistant to one of the Warren Commission members, and will identify him on your show for the first time. What is his name again? The man's name who is the legislative assistant is Morris Wolf. So Morris Wolf?
Starting point is 00:18:05 And let me just explain. Yeah. Let me just explain what happened here. You know, I've spoken at the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco two or three times, and I'll be there again December 1st. And when they did the description on the website, it said, you know, Mark Shaw is a crowdsourcing magnet. And Eric, I must admit, I didn't know what the hell that was.
Starting point is 00:18:26 But what it is is you put out your material, wherever it may be, internet, books, whatever. And then you hear from all these people who embellish on what you've done. Well, they have information. And now they know somebody that they can tell the information too. A billion presentations in there. Yeah, all the tips that I get from people around the world. Right. And so this man calls me.
Starting point is 00:18:49 in February. And he said in the email, like, first I got email, Mr. Shaw, I knew Dorothy Kilgallin. Well, that perk my ears up because there's not a lot of people still alive who did. So we taught. He said, well, Mr. Shaw, first of all, I should tell you, my name is Morris Wolf. I'm the lawyer who tried to get Raul Wallenberg, the Swedish man who saved all the lives during the Holocaust out of a Russian prison. I graduated from Yale. I was an attorney, and I worked for Bobby Kennedy when he was in the Attorney General's office. In fact, if you want to know how much I can be trusted, JFK and RFK trusted me to carry messages between the Justice Department and the White House because they were afraid that Jay Edgar Hoover was tapping their phone. So I rode my bicycle,
Starting point is 00:19:37 I ran back and forth, I was in the White House with the Kennedys. He told me a little bit about their relationship that they really got along well. They were kind of like little kids at times. but JFK got jealous at time when Robert Kennedy got too much media attention. So I found that interesting. And then he said, you know, Robert Kennedy suggested me to a member of the Warren Commission as his legislative assistant. And we'll get to that man's name in a little bit later, and I'll show you why I know what it is. So Morris Wolf starts talking to me, and he said, I rode with the member to the hearings. I even was able to wait for him and sit in the back row and listen to the next row and listen to the
Starting point is 00:20:17 hearings. And among the things he told me, Eric, as far as what this member told him were, they already know about the Warren Commission, the members organized, they already know about the Warren Ruby connection to organize crime, but they don't want to touch it. It's more than Oswald, but Hoover and Chief Justice Earl Warren keep pushing the Oswald alone conclusion. I'm very skeptical of the slip shot job being done by the commission. Chief, Commission staff. Our new president, Lyndon Baines Johnson, now wants to cover up and move on. They are going to bury the truth under a pile of stones.
Starting point is 00:20:56 My own views are different than the report conclusions. The commission members say that the Oswald alone result is going to be good for God and country, but there is internal corruption, and I don't know why I have written my letter offering my resignation. Okay, so you got this note from him recently. No, in February, I got this during phone conversations with interviews with him. That's incredibly recently. We are in 2022, and you're telling me, after 60 years, this guy comes out of the weeds, gives you this information. We've just got a minute left in this segment. You said you always look at motive. What was the motive of Chief Justice Warren and company in burying the truth? What was their motive?
Starting point is 00:21:44 Well, as Morris told me, you know, this particular senator, and we'll name him, was so upset with what was going on because he was a man of integrity. It was one of JFK's closest friends, as a matter of fact. So the motive that we'll talk about is protection. When you look at the photograph on the front cover of the book, okay? Yeah. Just look at it. You got Robert Kennedy, Dorothy Kilgallon, Marilyn Monroe, and Jay Edgar Hoover. And then you've got the Warren Commission members.
Starting point is 00:22:16 We're going to go through each one of them and why they had to go ahead and produce the conclusion of Oswald alone. It was to protect their asses, if you don't mind my saying so. And it was especially true of Lyndon Johnson, J. Edgar Hoover, Earl Warren, all of these people. And I'm going to connect that later to the fact that I think I know why Joe Biden and all the presidents before him are hiding the JFK records. This is blockbuster stuff, folks. We don't normally have blockbuster stuff on the Eric Metaxus show. I'm talking to Mark Shaw. Brand new book, Fighting for Justice.
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Starting point is 00:24:03 Feel the difference. Absolutely fascinating conversation with Mark Shaw, who's written a book called Fighting for Justice, brand new book, Postal Press, talking about what really happened with the JFK assassination, the Warren Commission, the cover-up. It's amazing to me that we're getting somewhere, Mark Shaw, the idea that this whistleblower after 59 years comes to you and volunteers this information. So keep going.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Well, he said that, you know, when he looked at this presentation of mine that was in Dallas, one of them that went viral, he was watching it on YouTube, and he saw the name Dorothy Kilgallan. And I want to get in a little bit to the formation of the Warren Commission with audio tapes between, auto tape conversation between LBJ and Hoover, and maybe we can do that later. But with him, he said, and this is what blew me away after he's telling me these things.
Starting point is 00:25:13 He said, Mr. Shaw, I knew Dorothy Kilgallan. And I said, what? He said, yes. I used to go to what he called Sorres at the senator's home at 29th and Inn in Georgetown. And I was invited because I was a bachelor. And I sat at the dining room table and I sat right next to Dorothy Kilgallet. This is when JFK was a senator. Yeah, I think, no, he was in the White House then.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Okay, so when you say the Senate, you said a senator's townhouse in D.C., what senator? The senator on the Warren Commission that we're going to name in a few minutes. Okay. The man who said all these things to Morris Wolf about the corruption in the war and commission. Okay, go ahead. So Morris Wolf says, I used to go to those parties. And by the way, I've confirmed the fact that the address is right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:05 But that's where this particular senator lived and some oral histories that I have and everything to confirm it all. So he says, I was right there. He called her a bright light bulb. He said she was even an investigative reporter at the dinner table because she was asking me all these questions about this particular senator and all of that. And he went ahead and he said, you know, Mr. Shaw, this senator and Dorothy Kilgallan were a lot alike. They were people of integrity. And I found a lot of tributes to this particular senator because he was that kind of person. And in fact, LBJ and Hoover picked him for the commission because they thought it would make a lot of difference
Starting point is 00:26:45 in terms of the authenticity of the Warren Commission. So he said, okay, now, Mr. Shaw, you may want to know at one particular point, it's always been a great secret as to how Dorothy Kilgalland ended up with the Jack Ruby Warren Commission testimony. Because Dorothy interviewed Ruby, she then had the Warren Commission testimony, and he then said, well, I can tell you right now, I believe it's very likely that this particular senator, a member of the Warren Commission, and his name was John Sherman Cooper, a senator from Kentucky, that I believe he is the one that gave Dorothy Kilgallon, the Jack Ruby Warren Commission testimony, and also made her aware of the corruption in the commission. And that's all important, Eric, because that information gives me more
Starting point is 00:27:35 clout in terms of why Dorothy Kilgallon in 1968 could not be allowed to write this book, this tell-all book about the assassination, the commission, all of that for Random House that she was writing. She was indeed the reporter who knew too much. And at some point, we can go through exactly how and why, well, more how she died. So that's the thread that that weaves through everything we have. Now, John Sherman Cooper, just let me give you one idea of how well respected he was. I have a quote in the book from Jackie Onassis about him, because John Sherman Cooper and his wife were the first couple invited to the White House when JFK became president. They were very good friends with the Kennedys.
Starting point is 00:28:20 Jack Kennedy and Jackie were at the senator's home at times when this Morris Wool. By the way, people probably wonder, why in the world, Mark, did he wait all this time to talk to you? Well, he did it. He said out of loyalty to Senator Cooper, but he felt like Senator Cooper wanted him to give this information, and he could trust me. So we go back then to Cooper, Jackie Kennedy, a man of integrity. All you had to do was meet him, and you knew he was an honest man like he. man like Abraham Lincoln, another great man from Kentucky. So I went through and everything, and then I don't want to forget to do this,
Starting point is 00:28:58 because the most important thing he gave me that solidified my belief as to what he said. Look at the book again, the cover. You've got the Warren Commission people here, and you go across from John McCloy, who was a statesman. You go to Lee, whatever his last name, is the council. You've got Richard Russell, you've got Gerald Ford, you've got Warren, you've got LBJ, you've got Alan Dulles, you've got Senator Cooper, and you've got Representative Boggs. Morris said to me, Mark, if you want to know how Senator Cooper felt about this, look at everybody in the photograph. They're all standing alone.
Starting point is 00:29:41 They have, you know, not a smile on their face or anything, but look at Senator Cooper. He's almost hidden behind Hale Boggs. And here's the main reason why that is. He was so dissatisfied with him. I have his letter of resignation that he wrote. Here's why he was so upset. He and Richard Russell, the senator from George, demanded a dissent in the final commission report that they did not agree with the silver bullet theory.
Starting point is 00:30:11 There were more people than Oswald and all of that, and they got a guarantee that. from Earl Warren and from LBJ, that would be in the final report, and it wasn't. So LBJ and Earl Warren turned out to be bums. Who knew? I always thought of them as shining examples of manhood. It's so corrupt. It's so sickening. But by the grace of God, these things, the truth will out, to quote one of my favorite poets. We're talking now to Mark Shaw, the book, Blockbuster Book, Fighting for Justice. We'll be right back. You must help me. Doctor, my eye. With the overturn of Roe v. Wade,
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Starting point is 00:33:02 Promocode Eric. Folks, I'm talking to Mark Shaw, the book, Blockbuster Book, Fighting for Justice brand new. Mark, we just have one final segment to kind of wrap this up. We'll have you back next week. Lots more to follow up on. But tell us what you can. Well, again, Dorothy Kilgallan had it right. I mean, she had it right.
Starting point is 00:33:31 It was Marcella who orchestrated JFK's death. In fact, you know, when Bobby Kennedy learned that his brother had been killed, he said, I thought they would get one of us. I thought it would be me. RFK Jr., who I've sent the book to, asking him if he wants to talk about it and all of that. He has said many times that his father said it was Marcello. So she had it right,
Starting point is 00:33:53 and she would have put all of that in the book for Random House she was writing. They couldn't let her do that. It was government corruption at its worst, betrayal of the American people for sure. And one of the things that I don't want to forget mentioning is that one of the problems back, then, Eric, people didn't ask the right questions. They didn't ask any questions
Starting point is 00:34:12 about this. They didn't ask about Dorothy's death. They didn't ask about Maryland's death. They didn't ask enough questions about the JFK assassination. We need to do that today. Don't take news that face value. Don't people implicate RFK in the death of Marilyn Monroe?
Starting point is 00:34:28 Oh, yes, and I did that in collateral damage, which is, which you talked to me about it strikes me that might be a problem if you're having conversations with the son of RFK. That might not be something he would want to accept. That's pretty disturbing information. Well, it is, and I understood that he was very upset with collateral damage my book before.
Starting point is 00:34:49 So I sent him this one, and I said, anytime you want to debate, let me know. But, you know, in this situation, I'm going to compare it to what's going on today with President Biden and all the presidents before him who have refused to release all of the JFK assassination documents. And if you look at the excuses, it was national security for a while, but Biden took it to a whole new level. It could cause problems with law enforcement, all these other excuses. I put in the book, it's ridiculous. And I know you probably are aware that Biden and the National Archives were sued a couple of weeks ago by the Mary Farrell Foundation to make the court, cause a court to make them release those documents. all right well what i think is that in those documents may very well be the proof of corruption in the
Starting point is 00:35:40 war on commission and they don't want that to come out because they're protecting those people and all of that and also i'm hoping that in those documents are all of the FBI files and all the files of dorothy kill gallons jfk assassination investigation because those disappear why 50 and 60 years after would joe biden and others care at this point i really don't get that well there's kind of a president's club, as you know, or at least there used to be, where they try to protect the other people from what went on. Although, didn't Donald Trump say that he wanted to release some of this stuff? Who's that? I thought Donald Trump said he wanted to release some of this stuff. They've all said they want to, but they never have, see? It's the code of silence again about all that
Starting point is 00:36:24 that bothers me. Just release the damn documents, and then we can see what's in there. But one of the things I suspect is that the Warren Commission, you know, that's always been the holy great. of truth, the Warren Commission. And it wasn't, Eric. Yeah. It was a con job at its highest level. Well, the connection to the present, of course, is that, and this is something that I, you know, it's hard to say, it's hard to accept, but that we've been lied to all along.
Starting point is 00:36:52 In other words, that we really, as Americans, expect the truth. We often haven't gotten the truth. that is fundamentally unacceptable in a free society where we govern ourselves and where we elect our officials. We elect them. And we the people are the ultimate voices. And so this has been going way, way, way back. But it seems to me that we've approached a time finally now where more and more of this stuff is coming out. And we're realizing that we have been lied to. There's a bookout strange title Dr. Mary's Monkey that talks about the polio vaccine,
Starting point is 00:37:32 the same thing, that everybody said it's safe, everybody's got to get the polio vaccine, and they saw gigantic spikes in soft tissue cancer, and everybody had to shut it up. They said, well, we can't talk about that. We can't. People won't get the vaccine. Everybody looks at the polio vaccine as the
Starting point is 00:37:47 gold standard. People look at the Warren Commission as the gold standard. We had all these people, very bipartisan. And now as the years past, this information is coming out in some large part, thanks to you. We've just got a couple of minutes left. What can we leave my listeners with the death of Dorothy Colgallon?
Starting point is 00:38:07 You said in 1968, there was a specific reason. Oh, she was killed in 65. Correct. But earlier you said 68. Of course, that's 65. I'm sorry. You've got Maryland in 62. You've got JFK in 63, Dorothy in 65, and Bobby finally is killed in 68.
Starting point is 00:38:25 It's a bad time in our history. So the death of Dorothy Kogallan, who do you suppose had her murdered? Well, you look at motive again, and Hoover, you know, Hoover, if she writes a book that establishes his covering cover-up the JFK assassination, he's history. So he can't let her do that. And actually, within a few, about, I think two hours after she died, he had. had his agents go to her home and take all of her documents and everything else that way. You know, these are my contributions to history. People can make up their own mind. When we talk again, I want to go into more of how the commission was formed because they basically just
Starting point is 00:39:10 stacked the deck with only Oswald alone people. So, you know, I mean, you're a man of the truth. You go out and find the facts and then you bring them forward and have some conclusion. What they did is they had the conclusion already, and then he tried to fit the facts to it. That's asked backwards. It's a betrayal. In the few seconds we have left, again, why did the folks in the Warren Commission
Starting point is 00:39:35 want so much to squash the truth? What's the worst thing that they were afraid would get out? They don't want any other investigations, as we'll talk about. LBJ, they don't want him to go into his background with the oil companies and everything. everything else, you know, and all the stuff that LBJ was involved in. Hoover doesn't want the Oswald Alone theory overturned because that's his big thing. Look at the Kennedys, and I'll show you the next time how the Kennedys blocked any investigation of the 60 election
Starting point is 00:40:07 and any investigation of Bobby's complicity in Maryland's death using Nicholas Kotsenbach to tell the members in a letter, don't look into anything but Oswald alone. And folks, if you need proof that this stuff happened, you know that it's happening now. It is happening right now with regard to vaccines, with regard to the election, with regard to anything you want to name. It has become very, very clear what we're dealing with, and by God's grace, it will be exposed. Keep praying. Keep fighting. Mark Shaw, I can't wait to have you back. Congratulations on the book Fighting for Justice. We'll have you back as soon as we can. Thank you. Happy we'll be beyond the sea
Starting point is 00:41:02 Happy Thanksgiving again and again and again Okay, Alvin The week, the weekend, yay! We have some particularly exciting news. We do. We're going to save that in a minute or two before we get to the exciting news and I am almost shocked at this news.
Starting point is 00:41:29 This is big news, folks. I think you're going to have some fun. Okay, I want to mention a couple things. Neutrametics told us that for the rest of the this month only. That's November, 2022. If you use the code, Eric, it's 35% off. I don't know why they chose to do that at the end of the month, but I would take advantage of it if you're interested. Nutrametics.com, 35% off. Also want to repeat, if you're interested in company Socrates in the city, I can only tell you, folks, it is Oz Guinness. He's the gold standard. You'll see when you're there,
Starting point is 00:42:05 there's no one like him. If it weren't for Oz, I never would have started Socrates in the city. So this is a very special event, December 6th, here in New York City. We're looking forward to that. I'm traveling like crazy. I'm preaching in Atlanta at Church of the Apostles in Atlanta this Sunday morning. You can find out everything at my website, which is ericmetaxis.com. And I want to remind you, before we tell you the big news, I want to remind you, to sign up for my newsletter at EricMetakas.com, and I want to remind you to support our sponsor, Mike Lindell, by buying all of your Christmas gifts at mystore.com and my pillow.com and use the code Eric to help support this radio program. There is all kinds of stuff there. You just have to go there and you'll see.
Starting point is 00:42:58 But if you want to support a hero, someone that I now think of as a dear friend, kind, generous soul when you get to know him. Mypillow.com, my store.com. And as we always say, the coffee is unbelievable. Oh, yeah. I can't believe how good it. Honestly, it's going to be mediocre.
Starting point is 00:43:17 It's going to be fine. No, it's really good. It is. It's mystore.com, my coffee.com. Okay, Alvin, the big news. Yes, the big news. Oh, I love this. This is hard to get my head around.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Okay, where do we start? About a few months ago, we taped four. episodes of a late-night talk show, The Talk Show, starring Eric Metaxis, that's me. It was, you know, next level. It was like the Tonight Show, Carson, Letterman, you know, it was like a big deal thing. We raised the money to tape four bona fide episodes, hour-long episodes, which we did downstairs. We're upstairs here at the TBN Theater, downstairs in the theater, which is a heavenly little theater. I mean, just like made for this kind of a thing. We taped the four shows. We had an array of stunning guests. Yeah. The shows were
Starting point is 00:44:10 edited and basically we're trying to figure out who is going to air it and how we're going to do that. But in the meantime, somebody thought, hey, now that these shows are edited, why don't we put them up at SalemNow.com? Yes. For free. Free. You understand? Free. Free. Free. Salem now. dot com. So I am really just a little thrilled and shocked to say that you can watch these episodes. These are pilot episodes. We taped them in August. But we thought let's make them available if you go to salemnow.com.
Starting point is 00:44:50 And how do it would people find it there? Well, there's a search bar up there. Put in Eric Metaxus. Put in Eric's name. Eric Metaxis. Two things will come up. The radio program, which is also at Salem, radio, Salem Communications. Salem News Network.
Starting point is 00:45:05 That's right. That'll come up. Okay, yeah, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about the talk show, the late-night talk show. There's a great little logo up there. You're going to see it. You click on that. You get all four programs. I think it's free. I'm not positive. I hope it's not free. No, I'm serious. Like, this cost us a zillion dollars to produce. But the guests are like Danny Bonaducci of the Partridge family, George Hamilton, Carol Alt, Vincent Pastory from the Sopranos. Ron Howard. Ron Howard. Ron Howard. John Cleese. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Caratop. I mean, look, you'll see. Salem now. We had a great time.
Starting point is 00:45:39 I just can't believe. Well, there's the announcement. Thank you.

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