The Eric Metaxas Show - Matt Sharp and Kevin McCullough (continued)

Episode Date: September 30, 2020

Matt Sharp from the Alliance Defending Freedom talks about the vital job done by the lawyers of that organization; and Kevin McCullough continues his analysis of last night's big presidential debate.

show. It's the show that Mark Twain once called Smartern a Blue Jay, what can talk possum, and faster than a naked fat man riding a bolts of lightning. So here's your plain spoken homespun host, Eric Mataxis. Hey there, folks. This is the Eric Mataxis show, and it struck me that, not literally, it struck me ideologically that there are people who listen to this show who do not really know much about the Alliance defending freedom. I'm talking about them all this month. I've talked about them in the past. And I thought for those folks who, who are tuned out at that point, who are not paying attention, I thought we really need to explain to you a little bit about what this magnificent and unfortunately necessary organization does and who they are.

So we got senior counsel at ADF, Matt Sharp. Matt, you're way too young to be senior counsel. You're not fooling anybody. But tell us, you know, for people who don't have a clue, because to me, this is one of the most important organizations that exists, and I'm not exaggerating. As an American, I feel very strongly, but I know a lot of people listening don't have a clue and I don't do it justice. So just tell us, basically, who you guys are and what you do. Yeah. So Alliance Defending Freedom, we're a non-profit law firm with a very single-minded goal to keep the door open for the spread of the Gospels. And we do that in three issues, in marriage and family, and religious liberty and free speech and in life. And so we do litigation, we do training, we help with legislation,

but all with the goal of keeping the door open for the spread of the gospel. Now, you say spread of the gospel, and I will even quibble with you, because I think you're being, you're being ever so slightly parochial in the sense that when you talk about religious liberty, I mean, I say this for myself and for my audience, the amazing thing to me about the Christian faith in the gospel is that we cannot force our faith on others. So the beauty of religious liberty means that, oh, yes, we get to share the gospel, but guess what? It keeps the nation religiously free in such a way that anyone can believe or not believe anything. In other words, religious liberty is something that's so amazing to me because it kind of comes out of the Christian faith. People think the

Christian faith is like it wants to be a theocracy and force itself on people. And on the contrary, when you defend religious liberty, which is why I'm such a big fan of ADF, what you're really doing is you're defending liberty itself. That's kind of a bigger conversation, but I just wanted to make that point, because every American needs to understand that at the very center of our lives is this thing called religious liberty, we've had a ton of it, we take it for granted, most of us don't even understand what it is. And if it weren't for folks like you at ADF battling these battles in the courts,

at the Supreme Court, we would live in a different American. So that kind of horrifies me, and it's why I want my audience to know that if they give to ADF, what they're really doing is they're investing in the future of a free America, not to put too fine a point on it. No, that's exactly right. The freedoms we're fighting for it, the freedom of speech, the freedom of to exercise your faith applies not just to Christians, but to people of all faith and even people of no faith. And so these values that we're fighting for ought to be something that unites us. And so whether you are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or atheists, you ought to believe that the government has no ability being to control what you say or how you exercise your beliefs. And that's ultimately what ADF stands to fight for is the freedom of every American to live out their life. And this is something, I mean, these are principles that Americans we fight for all around the world, right?

In other words, if we don't have religious liberty here, how can we argue that Muslims in China should be able to practice their faith without being sent into concentration camps? This is a seminal issue around the whole world, but it is we in America who have never really struggled with this. From our founding, we have had robust expressions of religious faith guaranteed by the Constitution. It's only come under attack recently as people have become fuzzy on what the Constitution says, as people have misunderstood the issue of the separation of church and state. And this is why, to me, suddenly ADF is not just a great organization, but an utterly vital organization. How many times have you guys, you know, been in the courts

and been at the Supreme Court fighting these cases? Yeah, we've had numerous cases at lower courts, appellate courts, had nine victories at the U.S. Supreme Court just within the past 10 years or so. And these are dealing with free speech and religious liberty in life, victories that apply to every American. And so by God's grace, he's really open doors for us to be able to fight and win on these freedoms time and time again.

You know, and I want to say also that anybody who, who would like someday to run a small business or who is today running a small business, chances are you will come under attack for the very reasons we are talking about ADF being important. And at that point, you will say, what do I do? I'm being attacked. It's going to be really expensive to fight this battle because the people on the other side are gunning for me and they've got deep pockets, whether it's from George Soros or whoever it is. and I'm dead. I'm going to be put out of business. Where do you turn? Guess what? You turn to ADF. They defend you for free, but that's the point is that we who are able to give to ADF are enabling ADF to fight without cost to the person being attacked to the business being attacked.

So I just can't stress enough, folks. This is like at the very heart of what it means to be a free people. and you know, I tell you, Matt, it's kind of funny to me. It strikes me as bizarre that if it weren't for folks like you at ADF, we would be in another country already. There have been a number of cases that you guys have taken to the very top and one. And I think how is it that we are in such bad shape that most Americans aren't aware of it? Most Americans haven't given money to ADF. And yet if it weren't for you, religious liberty, which is to say liberty of most,

normal Americans, it's a basic, basic thing, would be taken away. Yeah, I'm always terrified by the polls they do of college kids when they ask them about how important do you think free speech, freedom of religion, these fundamental values are, and more and more those numbers are going lower. And so we've got a generation growing up that doesn't believe in the importance of our First Amendment freedoms. And so that's why part of what ADF does is not just the litigation, but the education of training attorneys, of even training college students about these values, how to defend them,

how to speak out about them. And then if you've got a kid in college, we've got one in Florida state right now that lost his place in the Senate because he was expressing how his Catholic faith influences what's going on in the world. And he got kicked out of the Senate for that. And so we've got to defend us even at the college level so that this next generation comes to value and respect and embrace our First Amendment rights. Most Americans, sadly, don't have a clue about the issue of religious liberty. And again, why? Because we've been so blessed with religious liberty,

we haven't been forced to think about it. But suddenly, every time I turn around, there's another case of some heavy-handed college administration or local government doing something, whether it's in the schools or with a local business. And they are wildly overreaching. But the people being attacked kind of almost take it. They kind of act like, oh, I guess I'm living in this new reality

now where I can't say this or I can't say that. That is simply not the case. We need to understand what the Constitution says. And I want to say to Christians in particular, forget about your rights. These are American rights. These are fundamental rights for every American. So don't think like, oh, I don't want to stick up for myself. I'm only going to worry about other people. Sticking up for yourself is sticking up for other people. We need to fight this battle for those to whom it has not yet come. How did ADF get started, Matt? Because I don't know that story. Yeah. So we were founded in 1994. It was a group of very influential religious leaders.

Dr. Dobson, D. James Kennedy, Bill Bright, and others that said there is a hole in our movement right now that we don't have a legal powerhouse to go and defend these rights, to argue at the Supreme Court, to train other attorneys. And so they got together and tasked Alan Sears, our founder, with building this organization. And so since 1994, we have grown exponentially, have dozens and dozens of attorneys, communicators, others all working on this. But it started with that original vision of Dr. Dobson and others. I should remind my listeners now, this is kind of important. I should have said it at the beginning, when you go to metaxis talk.com, and I'm asking you, please, to go to metaxis talk.com to click on the ADF banner,

join them, join us in this fight. This is a fight for everybody. Everybody in the world deserves religious liberty. As we are losing it here, the whole world will lose it and people are suffering horribly. I exhort you, please go to my website, metaxis talk.com, click on the ADF banner, pray about this. This is central to who we are as a people. ADF is fighting this fight better than anyone. I know that's why we are doing this, partnering with them on this program. Matt Sharp, thank you. so much. Thank you for having me, Eric. Hey, folks, again, welcome back to the Eric Mataxis show. Eric will be back tomorrow to talk about at least two items. Okay, one is his trip to Greece and why he was there. Okay. And secondly, his thoughts on last night's debates. Okay, they were on about three or four in the morning over in Greece time, if I may put it that way. So he still has some thoughts, obviously. And of course,

we have Kevin McCullough right now. We just heard from age. and Matt Sharp, so we do want you to go and donate something to that campaign because these guys, I've got to tell you, they are on the front lines of our freedom. So make sure you donate something to them today. That would be wonderful, and we appreciate that. Thank you. And Albin, just to clarify, before we jump to Kevin, I think it's important for listeners to be clear on, you know, Eric has been in Greece or at Greece, the country and not the musical. He did not travel to go see the musical.

That's right. He's coming back from Greece, the country, not the musical. That's right. He was in Greece, but not Greece, the musical. Thank you. That's a brilliant clarification. We appreciate that. And now for more clarification, we're going to ask Kevin McCullough, before we even go there,

here's the big question that everybody seems to be talking about today. Remember when Mike Wallace asked, I forgot, what was, is it Chris Wallace? Yeah, yeah, it's one of the Wallace's dad. One of the Chris was his dad. Okay, yes, about denouncing white supremacy. he was asked directly, Donald Trump, do you denounce white supremacists? And Chris, ask that question, and here is an answer from Kevin McCullough. Well, guys, and thanks for having me back.

He clearly answered the question. And this is the problem with the Biden campaign in general. His entire rationale for running was built off the Charlottesville lie, where he says, the Trump said there were there were good people on both sides, but he never says what Trump said in the next sentence following that, which is, I'm not talking about the white supremacist. I condemn them. They are wrong.

But there are good people on both sides of whether or not the statues should be in place or torn down, etc. That's the implication of what he's saying. So Chris Wallace amplifies this lie last night by predicating his question on that incident, taking Biden's viewpoint of it without explicitly saying so, and then asks him, will you condemn white supremacy? Well, the president's never endorsed or embraced white supremacy. So now he's having to go do something that is looking like he's retracing his steps from something he did previously, which is just blatantly not true. But I thought the pinnacle of hypocrisy on this is that

the president grows so irritated with what Wallace is doing. He says, well, give me the name of a group. Tell me someone you want me to condemn. Who are we talking about? Because I'm not just going to randomly say, you know, just call people out and say this or that. And Wallace didn't have the name of anybody. So he goes, okay, the strong boys. Now, the strong boys have been involved in a number of violent activities.

They were involved in an incident here in Manhattan last couple of years ago. I think it was the proud boys. I think they're calling. I'm sorry. That's right. The proud boys. So, and he clearly said, what they do is not right. And then when they flipped the table to Joe Biden, will you just say you believe in law and order?

He couldn't do that except to say, I believe in law with a little bit of order, which was a terrible question. I mean, terrible answer. One of the worst answers I think I've ever heard in a presidential debate by a candidate who's supposed to be serious. about his position on the matter. Yeah, and I kept thinking all Joe has to say is, yes, I love law and law. That's all he had to say. That was a simple one. Well, you know that the focus testing had already been done with BLM and what was going to,

how it was going to be perceived if he says, I'm the law and order candidate. The president is using that unreservedly. And guys, I really do think this election's not nearly as complicated as people are trying to make it. I don't think it's about mean, mean Donald Trump or nice uncle, kind of sleepy Uncle Joe. I don't think it's, I don't think it's about any of this stuff. I think at the end of the day, who do I trust on the economy? Who will keep the world safe, terrorist and trade wars wise for me and who is going to protect my neighborhood?

And at the end of the day, the president is the one that is being endorsed by every police organization in existence. and there are 50,000 of them. There's 800,000 police officers in the country. And even the idea that Joe felt like he was compelled to come back and keep saying, well, you know, we got to hold rogue cops accountable. That's already going on. New York City began to implement police reforms 30 years ago for rogue cops that would write off the reservation.

But in, and I just, I have to bring this back up, which is doing Chris Wallace's job for him, actually. In 2019, the Washington Post records in their police shootings database 56 deaths of persons by police officers, the persons being unarmed. Of those 56, and that's out of 800,000 cops policing 330 million persons in the country, 56 deaths, police to unarmed people. We don't know anything about the state of mind of those people or the circumstances. says that's just the raw data. We do know this. Of the 56, 26 of them were white, 14 of them were black, and 16 of them were Latino

slash other whatever. Of those 14, you're going to say you have a less than 0.0003% chance if you're a black American waking up today and being shot and killed by a police officer. I know, by the way, you have to probably be doing something to create that kind of attention to be drawn towards you anyway. In other words, people that are genuinely focused on not being a criminal and not getting into trouble, you have a literally next to zero percent chance of dying by a police officer who's going rogue. So what's my point? That you have occasional rogue cops that go bad?

No, that happens. The point is that we hold them accountable. The guy that sat on George Floyd's neck is on trial for murder in his. his city. That is the proper response. And that was the response that the nation gave. That's the response that Joe Biden agreed with. That's the response that the president agreed with. What was stupid was, you know, six weeks later when the city council of Minnesota said, we don't think we should have a police department anymore. And oh, by the way, guess what? All the city council members that voted in favor of that have now hired on the city payroll personal protection to get

them to and from city hall every day so that they can do their job. Why is that the case? Because you don't have a police department anymore. Right. Right. And an overwhelming amount of the black and underserved community says, yes, we not only do we want police, we would like to have more police, please. Well, and there's some conditions to that, but any civil rights leader you speak with, and I don't mean the race hustlers, I mean the actual leaders in the community, pastors and community people, teachers, etc. Any of those people that you speak to will say, no, we want greater engagement. We want, we want police on the corner, but we want them to know the name of the kids that come running around here after school.

We want police officers that are grown from our communities and look like us and know and know the kind of intricate fabric of what's going on in our community. I mean, let's think about this. There are neighborhoods in Brooklyn that look very different than Davenport, Iowa. And it's really important that if you're going to be policing the people of Davenport, Iowa, that you have an understanding of what that culture is. And if you're policing a tough neighborhood in Brooklyn, you need to know what you're up against there.

What better than to have people that are from those actual neighborhoods, policing those actual communities. I have some personal knowledge of this because my dad was a policeman. He was a policeman in Reserve Township, which was like one of the first little towns or suburbs outside of Pittsburgh. And he was like Andy of Mayberry. I'm not kidding. He was a real peace officer.

And he knew everybody in the town. Everybody knew him. We'd be outside mowing a lawn and he'd be there and a car would go by. Hey, Tony, hey, Tony, hey Tony. Everybody knew him. He knew everybody. And he knew who were the troublemaker. and who weren't and who to watch out for and all this.

But he always got involved in a nice way and said, look, let's settle things down here. And he really was like Andy of Mayberry. And it was a wonderful, he was the most wonderful man I've ever known. I get teared up when I think about him because he's just incredible. But that's the kind of policeman I think of when I think of police. And that's what you're talking about, Kevin. You're talking about. And that's the people that Joe Biden couldn't embrace last night.

That's the people that Joe Biden couldn't say, yes, we need. them in our communities and I will support them and back them and make sure that they can do their job effectively. And who is hurt by his position? It's not the white suburban kids that are marching in BLM saying, let's be Marxist and destroy the nuclear family. That's not the group of people that he's hurting. He's hurting the very neighborhoods of the people that need those police services the most. That's right. That is absolutely correct. I love the fact that that was one of those points that Trump got across when he said, well, name one police organization, Joe. that's behind you.

Name one. And it's like, uh, uh, uh. Anyway, thank you, Kevin McCullough.

We'll be right back with more of Kevin McCullough and talking about last night's debate and other things on the Eric Mattaxas show right after this. And see, she was making for the trades on the outside. And the down here day. Off the wind on this heading lie of the market.

Hey, folks, we're back, having some fun after last night's debate here on the Eric Metaxa show. Eric Mataxis will certainly be back tomorrow. So stay tuned for all that good stuff coming your way. Chris Heimes, I'm going to throw it to you. Hey, yeah, we're excited to have Kevin McCullough here with us, aka Noot, Vodestradamus. Just wondering, using your powers of prognostication, and you know, you said you were in a room with about 100 people last night. was there any kind of anecdotal or, you know, qualitative feedback you got from the crowd there about maybe kind of looking ahead of where things might go or, or anything of that nature? I'm going to say probably not only from the standpoint that we were in a strongly pro-Trump setting and crowd.

So I don't think that there's anything really objective that I can get from that crowd other than to say that how the events. of the debate played out were very telling because you did have noticeable difference in crowd behavior depending on what the subject was and how intense the activity got. And again, when the words climate change were spoken, the room went to sleep. Well, half of them did. The other half ordered another drink from the bar and then a bunch of them just started talking with their friends. So it was a very different kind of experience depending on where you're at. Now, I'm sure if I was at some vegan retreat in San Francisco last night. I may have been not even interested so deep in my weed smoking that until they said climate change,

I didn't even know there was a debate up until that point. But it was clearly, there was clearly a selectivity to the hearing and to the cheering cheering last night. Yeah. One of the questions that came up last night during the debate was about mail-in voting and things like that. How do you think that's going to play out? What does your crystal ball see in terms of like, you know, that, that,

whole thing. I think there's a lot of reasons to be concerned, and I think the president's right to be concerned. I think if you, if you go down the path of what we are seeing, Project Veritas this week released a brand new, stunning report, James O'Keefe and his crew, in Elon Omar's congressional district, they have a professional ballot harvesting operation underway. They ran a sting investigation. They caught 300 ballots in one Somali Americans car. they got people on camera talking about how it works, who gets the payments, when they get paid. It's basically they go into these housing,

these public housing arrangements. They go to the senior citizens and they say, give us your blank ballot. If they don't do it, they get hurt. If they do it, they get a little bit of cash. And then they take them, they fill them out, they do with them as they will. Now, that report's been out for 48 hours.

I haven't seen any legal action taken on that. But that would be, if you can get one car load, with 300 ballots in it. And when you're talking about the Al Franken Senate race, which I believe was decided by less than 1,000 votes when he lost, you're talking about a significant percentage chance that in a close race, that type of activity is going to have a negative effect. But not only that, one of my best friends from the state of New Jersey

had this arrive at his deceased father-in-law's house just a week ago, which is a voter registration confirmation for 2020, for a man that hasn't voted in 12 years because he's, been dead for 11. This is something that you're actually, I think, has the potential to impact the outcome of the race. If the win is not big, if it's not an overwhelming landslide, expect this to really gum up the works.

And I think that America is going to be very thankful to have ACB on the bench at that point, because we're going to need probably a ninth decision maker on the, the Supreme Court to help ferret out truth and non-truth on some of this stuff. Yeah. Now, you mentioned James O'Keefe. And I, when I heard that come up, I thought to myself, please, President Trump, please say the name James O'Keefe, because that would force the networks and all that to say, who, what, what, what, what was this study? And that would bring it to lights, just some of the harvesting. Yeah. Yeah. No, and I think that he's actually got more, a lot more footage and material from that sting investigation than what he released in the original eight-minute video.

So you're going to see more of that be dripped out over the next few days. And where do you see the, you just alluded to it, but the Supreme Court Justice confirmation going in, how do you see that playing out and timing-wise and things like that? I don't know that they can do anything to stop it. And I think that there's a reason why Mitch McConnell has the nickname Cocaine Mitch, because on judges, he has been speed in every way possible. and they don't have a roadblock. I mean, you can try some procedural stuff, which I expect them to.

You can try to slam this woman and ruin her life, which they obviously were willing to do with Kavanaugh. I think if they do that very aggressively with a mom who's adopted to Haitian American children and has a Down syndrome kid and who's one of the most successful people in her entire field for her lifetime's achievement and happens to be a great mom and a great person of integrity, I think if you push. too hard. If you try too hard to make her look like a witch, I think that's going to come back at you. A lot of people think that they lost four Senate seats in 18 because of the handling of Kavanaugh. It's hard to see that that wouldn't have some sort of repercussive effect if they tried the same thing on a woman in this woke era that we live in. Yeah. It's almost like some people have suggested in a way that her adopting these children is the ultimate cultural appropriation. Okay, because they're from another land and a different color. If they're using cultural appropriation to determine whether or not a mother's a good mom,

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He's been with us for the first hour. If you missed that, go back and get it. Watch it on YouTube. He's with us for the second hour. And we've got this next segment that's going to be really high-powered as well as the first four or five or six. I want to ask you, Kevin, about three weeks ago, you were on with Eric, and you had a prognostication about the results of the upcoming election. I got two-part.

The first part of this. What do you believe will happen with the upcoming election? I know you thought two or three weeks ago, Trump and a lambslide. And my second question is, will it be determined on the night of the election, November 3rd or early morning hours of November 4th? Good question.

So, good question. So I've been saying for a number of months that I think he's going to get 34, I started out saying 38. I think it could be as high as 40 states now. Electorally, I think it will be a landslide. Popular vote-wise, I'm not sure if he even wins the popular vote, because if California does aggressive ballot harvesting,

you could see, you know, 12 million more votes cast than they have in population. I mean, something insane like that, because that's the way stuff happens out there. They just, I mean, they had more people vote than they had registered voters in 2016. So it would make sense to say that they might try some funny business out there. That's why we have the electoral college, by the way. And every time somebody says, oh, well, you know, Hillary won. Well, she didn't.

She lost in 30 and a half of the 50 elections that were held that night. And she only won 19 and a half of them. So the goal is who wins the most of those? To be simple. If you don't understand the electoral. college, it's, it's, it's, uh, you're taking states off the board. Who wins the most number of states? If you win the most number of states, you should, you should be president. And if you win close to the popular vote and the biggest number of states, you should definitely be president. Because the way

our founders set it up was we are going to govern both by geography and popularity. And that's why the Senate is set up the way it is and the way the house of representatives is set up the way it is. One represents the numbers of people that we have in existence. And one of them actually represents the physical territory with which they defend. So at the end of the day, that's the way the presidential election is set up as well. Having said that, I think that last night, so when I made my prediction, now I'm in the process of just seeing, do I see anything that takes away from any of the reasons why I think he's going to do well in this state or that state, et cetera? Yesterday, I learned some new things. Florida Republicans have registered almost a million more new voters in Florida than the

Democrats have in this election cycle. In fact, Democratic new voter registration is at all-time lows in terms of momentum in terms of new registration. They have a real problem with the enthusiasm for their candidate. And he complicated it that last night because he said things that now are at odds with AOC and Bernie Sanders, where he has said in recent weeks he was turning to their viewpoint on things. Now he's he's not so sure if he's going to, you know, Green New Deal, et cetera, et cetera. He could not really appeal to independence with a strong statement for law enforcement. So do I, do I see anything in what he said or did that changes the equation of where I think Republicans are going to be all in Trump's corner.

Democrats are going to be so, so all in the corner of Joe Biden. And they may just say, you know, we'll do, you know, we'll vote for him because we don't have any other option. now the question becomes where do those kind of disaffect the Democrats and the independents go that are in the middle. And I think that I didn't see anything last night that I felt like hurt Trump's base. I didn't really see anything that excites Joe Biden's base. So again, we're back to that middle America. What do they think?

Where are they at? And I think that when you talk about job growth, when you talk about law and order, when you talk about trade deals that help production job families, you know, people that work in factories and so forth continue to come back. And when Joe Biden represented the administration that said those things were gone, unless you had a magic wand, they weren't going to come back. I just think there's nothing that's really changed the equation. And again, I don't know of anybody that hasn't made up their mind about who they're supporting here 30 days out.

I think this is a given. I don't trust polls, particularly unregistered voter polls that are not, you. you know, drilling down on likely voters and that have waiting, you know, they're waiting. They're sample 38% Democrat, 20% Republican. When we know every single election is 32, 32, 33 or 32, 31. But it's right in that ballpark every single time for like the last 12 election cycles. So I don't see anything changing. Trump's got 45,000 people coming to airport hangers standing there, masks, no masks, whatever.

another big moment last night when he said, you know, Joe, nobody thinks that, you know, you're healthy, whatever it was. That was funny. Yeah. And what was really cool is that as the night went on, Trump just got more comfortable as it went by. The barbs became more like jokes. And it wasn't really anything that he had to do. It's like water off a duck now. He just doesn't care. I'm just going to go say what I have to say, go through this thing of a debate and then get on with my campaigning because I'd rather be on a plane going to five cities today while Joe is probably going to call a lid sometime before noon. Yeah, yeah, it's so funny because Joe Biden himself stepped in it when he said something like, yeah, you've got these big campaigns with people they're not wearing masks and they're standing right next to each other. And of course, Joe Trump turns around and says, yeah, well, you'd be lucky to have somebody show up and wear a mask. Yeah, it's very funny than the six people you have with those big white circles drawn around them. Exactly. And there are videos on the YouTube where you can actually see that where they turn the cameras around and you're amazed at how many people are at a Trump rally or how many people are in line waiting to see it. Right. So I didn't answer your question. I still think he gets an electoral college lopsided win. It may come down to very late on election night. If it's, if it is a landslide, I think it's still going to be late on election night before they call it because the networks just aren't going to be willing to do that eagerly. And I think depending on the amount of shenanigans that are going on, and fortunately, Eric Trump told me last week that they've got an entire army that are out there. In fact, you can go volunteer for this. Trump army.com.

But you can be a poll watcher. You can look for funny business and you can object to things if you see them happen to the people that are in the polling places, the people that represent the parties. You can object to them. But it depends on how much of that we have. It could be a few days to even a few weeks before we have. Yeah, yeah. And the Dems might even demand that. Well, there are still thousands that haven't come in and postmark this, that, and the other thing.

Wow. But you know what, Kevin, we brought time with you. And I am so unhappy about that because you just. You are the best. Well, you're very kind. Yeah. And I hope that Eric enjoyed his Broadway musical experience. That's right.

And maybe we'll replace Eric with you. No, don't say, I'm sorry. I didn't. Okay, we can edit. James, erase that part, please. I don't want that going anywhere near. Eric, I had nothing to do with that at all. Zero.

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And that's at the taxes talk.com. Top of the page, check that out. And of course, I ended last segment, talking to Kevin McCullough, joking that he should replace Eric on the Eric the taxes show. Now, Eric always says, yeah, Eric always says, well, sarcasm, you know, that's my love language. Well, that's my love language, too. How about that, Eric?

No, I mean, basically, it's very pirity. You know, if we were, you know, swabbing the decks with, with the mops, it's like mutiny. It's a mutiny. That's what, you know, we're just deck hands on Eric's fired ship. That's right. Yeah. And by the way, you know, my wife's not crazy. you about this goatee, but one of the reasons why I'm growing it, I want to look more

distinguished, more like Kevin McCullough, but also, I want to be an angry old man, like, hey, you kids, get out of my yard. Hey, you kids, go cast that second ballot somewhere else. Does it work? Yeah, I think it's a good look, Almond. It kind of has, you know, actually it makes you look a little more like it is aristocrat, you know, or a conquistador even. You know, you have kind of that European, you know, Mr. Fancy Pants by. Well, by the way, I still have here's Eric Metaxis. Look at me. I've got a

horse hair wig. Oh, that's your hand puppet. What is his name? Well, I think that's handy, Eric. Hey, I'm Eric Mataxis. Read my books. Yay. Well, I know if Eric were here right now, he would kick me, you know. He would. He punched me. If I was on a bicycle and he was here right now, he'd probably punch me. Yeah. Well, that's certainly true. So what do we have coming up for the rest of the week? Oh, well, you know what? We are going to have Doug Shone. Doug Shone maybe Friday, but probably more like Monday. We've got some really great guests coming up next week. I mean, all the way to Election Day, we're going to have Charlie Kirk. We're going to have Jenna Ellis. We're going to have all the good people. I mean, we've got some good people lined up. Some of them are going to be very nice surprises for the audience. But we're kicking it up a notch all the way into Election Day and thereafter.

Yeah, I know we have, you know, John Samarach will be back. Hopefully he's been. Big Egregal emergency, we'll pass, and we'll get him back on the show to share, to share, you know, some of his thoughts. Yeah, yeah, we might even have Mike Lindell back on the show, and the reason why I mention that is because I want everyone to go to Mypillow.com and use the code, Eric, and get some really wonderful things. I know Eric and I have joked about this is absolutely true. My wife and I and his wife and he absolutely love the mattress topper. Yeah, mattress topper is great. The geese sheets, unbelievable. So you've got to try all that stuff in all seriousness. And honor-bound coffee, again, too, is it's not bitter like some coffees.

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Eric's code is amazing. That code actually saves you a lot. I know when we were sort of promoting it during the Christmas special last year, it's probably as good, if not better than any other code out there in terms of saving you money on that website. It's pretty nice. So please use that. And our condolences to the Helen Reddy family and friends and fans.

She was a terrific singer. So anyway, I guess that's the show for today. Eric Mataxis will be. that tomorrow he's going to talk about Greece. He's going to talk about the debates. We're going to have a fun time. So tune in tomorrow, folks, and have a great Wednesday. Bye.