The Eric Metaxas Show - Mayor Rudy Giuliani (Encore)

Episode Date: April 20, 2022

Mayor Rudy Giuliani is in the studio and explains why he was so successful as New York City's mayor, partially because he followed President Ronald Reagan's blueprint for governing. (Encore Presentation)

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Moinkbox.com slash Eric. The Eric Mettaxas show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Uh-oh. The show's starting. I guess it means I need to do my introduction. Do I seem nervous? Folks, I have such a special guest that even I am tongue-tied. Yes, even I, Eric Metaxus, I am sitting here in the studio right here.

I could touch him with somebody that I have long admired, even that's putting it mildly. His name, I think you're familiar with him, is Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Mayor Giuliani, I really, I hardly know how to begin, so I will fump for my way through. It is simply a joy to have you here. I'm honored that you would come to this dumpy studio. I love this place. I'm kidding. Old New York, and here I am.

This was designed. I'm with the author of a book that probably is one of the best I've read in the last 10 years, which I. Now, last night... Which I have witnesses to because I gave them several copies of them. When we were... I had the privilege of dinner with you last night, and we were talking, and you mentioned that you'd read my Bonhofer book.

I just about fell out of my chair, because honestly, you know, you never know who's reading your books. But you had a lot of readers to that book. It's not unusual. Someone recommended it to me and said, because they know I like to read books about religion and theology and said, you're going to love this book. Yeah. So I had no... And I read it and I thought it was terrific, and I gave it to three or other people.

I want to spend the first 30 minutes with you praising my work. Can we do that? Let's do that. No, I want to, listen, because I have you here, I want to talk to you about everything. I want to talk to you. You have very recently, I mean, you've had such an extraordinary career that it's very difficult to even to know where to begin. For those younger people who are tuning in, I need to start by saying that you were, by the estimation of anything, anybody who pays attention to such things, one of the greatest mayors in the history of the country and certainly in the history of New York, as far as I'm concerned, you were easily the best mayor of New York, and you did something that it doesn't seem possible a human being could do without God's help. You took the city from what it was when I was a kid here, which was a crime-ridden,

bankrupt mess and turned it into one of the jewels in the United States of America. And so I just wanted to say, before we go further, on behalf of millions of Americans, thank you. All I can say is you're welcome because it was, to consume my life, it was something I wanted to do for years and just didn't know what role I could play. and it needed to fix my city. I'm a lifelong New Yorker, although I spent some time growing up in the suburbs. I still went to high school in New York.

So I lived in Garden City South, and I lived in North Belmore, and I took the Long Island Railroad. You lived in Bishop Belmore? North Belmore, yeah. By Mepham High School? Yeah, oh, sure, yeah. And I took the Long Island Railroad every day

to downtown Brooklyn, right where the basketball arena is now, walked seven blocks to Bishop Block in high school and came home at night. I was a commuter, which is why since I've been an adult, I live right in the city because I don't want to commute. Unbelievable. Well, I know you grew up also in Brooklyn, but...

Brooklyn was my first seven years. Your story, I mean, it's an extraordinary story, and because of time and everything, we won't get to everything today. But I just wanted to say that, again, a lot of younger people that are not aware, I mean, because I grew up here in the 60s and 70s, people cannot fathom. We're getting a glimpse of it now because the black... You know, you worked hard to bring us back to 1970. Wow. Yeah. But it's hard to imagine what the city was like before you and, you know, with your James Q. Wilson,

broken windows theories, before you were able to do your thing. Yeah. You know, I tell people to watch the movie Taxi Driver. Because at the end of my administration, I did a couple of retrospectives on the administration. So I would show the scenes in taxi driver of the assassin driving through Times Square. Those were real scenes shot in like 1970, whenever, it was 76, 77, 78. This is Scorsese. Brilliant.

Oh, I'm sorry. Scorsese film, obviously. Robert De Niro. That's before we knew De Niro actually was crazy. You did a good job of acting crazy. you're looking at me, you're looking at me? Yeah. So you look at those scenes.

There are about four or five of them in which you get a big panorama of Times Square. And then you just put it against current ones. That would have been 98, 99, 2000. And one, you see drug dealers, prostitutes, horrible looking people, frightening as hell. Drug dens, houses of prostitution. The legitimate, if you call them legitimate,

pornographic movie theaters where you would pay, just go in and watch a movie, had all disappeared. It was too dangerous for them. The movie theaters had turned into actual brothels. So even the porn industry didn't feel it was worth investing in their, the pornography had moved to other parts of the city because it was too dangerous to have it in Times Square. It had crime rates that were almost impossible to keep up because they would take bodies and hide them. And literally, literally on one day during the middle of my campaign, we were driving somewhere, I told them to stop the car. I got out in the middle of the street. My campaign manager, Peter Powell, thought I was nuts. The traffic was going back, back and forth. And I said a little

prayer, and I said, if I do one thing as mayor, I'm going to change this place because this could define the whole city. So my conception in my head was, it's a big planet, much big bigger universe, when people look down on Earth, like the Mars people, and they say, where's the center of that place? What's Times Square? I mean, Times Square is the place where more people come together from the UN is here. It's where we do the New Year's Eve drop. They watch it in Japan. And what we're showing them is decadence. What we're showing them is danger. What we're showing them is murder, drug dealing. That's got to be killing us. Our tourism was down to nothing. And I said, I've got to change that place. And I've really dedicated myself to that.

Well, I'm glad you took a crack at it because, and by the way, no pun intended with the word crack. I got to tell you, though, again, most people, anybody younger than me, it's really hard to fathom because, I mean, New York was unbelievably dangerous. It was. I mean, when I was throwing up here, you just would not walk in that area. You wouldn't go here, you wouldn't go there. And the change that was brought about by your two terms, it is nothing less than that. astonishing. It's almost unbelievable, frankly. It was just amazing. So I want to start there. Then, of course, right at the end of the end of your term, we were hit the terrorist attacks on the

Twin Towers. And at that point, you know, you went from being merely a heroic national figure as a mayor to something else. I mean, history suddenly comes to us. And, you know, you, you went from, you, you and people's perception of you in New York changed, people around the country who maybe didn't know much about you. You were, I mean, it seems to me clear that you were God's man for that time, that if anybody else had been made, it wouldn't have been the same. You were able to sort of project the kind of confidence, a dogged Churchillian, I guess everybody will say,

a presence that it's going to be okay. We're going to get through this. And you stayed on a little longer, right? No, no. I was talking about. We considered it for two days. Some people wanted me to do it. Then I thought it wasn't going to be necessary,

particularly when I became confident that Bloomberg would win, with my endorsement, I think, played a big role in me, just because of what happened at the time. Because I knew Bloomberg, first of all, he'd be an honest mayor. And that is always true in New York City, particularly when a machine Democrat gets elected. Number two, he'd run it in a business-like style and would appreciate and preserve what we had done.

And he did. Maybe even build on it a little from point of view of technology. And I made a good, the Bloomberg years, I was a very happy man. Well, listen, I disagree. That makes 20 million of us. So we're going to go to a break. Folks, in case you're just tuning in, it doesn't just sound like Mayor Giuliani. It actually is Mayor Giuliani.

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So you, when you left off from being mayor, what did you want to do? Did you ever think that you would sometime in the future become a lawyer for the president of the United States? No, I didn't think that. First of all, the first thing I did was

I started a worldwide security business so that we could take the the programs, because some of the changes were programmed and used them in other places to reduce crime, to show it would work elsewhere. It was mainly the Comstatt program, which is a program for measuring crime in a way in which you can begin to make it accountable.

You know, I just noticed in Chicago they had great success at one point with hotspads and putting more police in the right sense. spot. That comes from Comstatt. That was a Comstatt idea. So basically, you'd collect all the crime statistics every day. You'd put them in a computer. By the next morning, you could pin map them. You could organize them by time of day. So I could look at, so if this were a regular Monday morning, I'd say, what kind of weekend did we have? The police commission would send somebody over. They put it on a map, and we could say, oh, my goodness, we had a terrible time in the northern

part of Brooklyn. We had three shootings there. Why do we have three shootings in the northern part of Brooklyn. Then you go over two precincts. There are no shootings. Is it a difference in the number of people there? Do we have too many police officers in one place and not another? Having spent 20 years in law enforcement, this is a very, very not so humble thing to say, I probably knew more about it than anyone in the police department. Yes, they knew New York City, but I have been the third ranking official in the Justice Department. I had helped to write the Attorney General's report on violent crime under Reagan. Under Reagan.

See, people forget that. I'm glad you're reminding us. I came to it with many, many ideas of things that I want to do. Comstatt was probably the biggest thing. And we turned it into a meeting every Thursday. Every Thursday we'd evaluate where we were. And every Thursday, we'd make changes. Well, that's when you were mayor.

Right. But so when you leave the mayor's office, you want to bring this. to other cities around the country. Many cities in South America. Really? One, we reduced crime by 45%. So why do you suppose places like Chicago would not be using this today?

Nobody in America has asked me to do it. I think they want the credit and I'd be happy to give them the credit. But it's amazing to me that we're going through a crime era, ridiculous crime era. Nobody in the history of this country has ever reduced crime, 65%. Nobody's ever done that before.

I know. No, not even close. That's why I'm in awe. This is like Mariano Rivera was the best relief pitcher in baseball. Not necessarily the greatest baseball player, but relief pitcher, nobody even... Nobody can come close to Mariano and his cutter. Yeah.

So you go down to six. Even best baseball player, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb. Just by the luck or whatever, nobody's done what I did. My team did. Yeah. People all over the world have asked me to do it for them. And we're successful when they do it apolitically, and we fail when they don't overcome their internal corruption. So we don't always win.

Do not mention Lori Lightfoot by name. That would be inappropriate. We don't need to get political. We had a great era. Our greatest successes were in Columbia. Because in Columbia, they had. South Carolina. Sorry, South Carolina.

No. Columbia, South America. You're talking about bringing this to places. that are famous for their corruption and crime. To the cartel center of America, which is no longer the cartel center of America. But I knew Colombia well from my work as a prosecutor because I did a lot of prosecutions of Colombian drug dealers.

I have the great distinction of having two contracts put out on me by the FARC to slit my throat, which means I was getting, I knew I was getting somewhere when that happened. And I knew Colombia, so that that helped also. and they were willing to make their police department honest. That's the biggest thing. That's amazing. If I do a Comstab program and the police department is crooked, it doesn't work very well.

So we got some great reductions there. We did a lot of work. I did work in Ukraine. You know the city they talk about, Karkev, the one right on the border? But we did a crime management program for them, and we designed an emergency management center for them. And I knew they would hold out. But you're telling me that people around the world were willing to use this to bring crime down

and that American mayors have not used this. Except for friends who I have advised off the cuff, no one has ever really taken us in to really do our program. I know it would work. I know if you gave me and three or four people like Bernie Carrick, if you gave me six months in Chicago, I could cut the murder rate. I hate to predict. I always predict lower. 20, 30%.

I mean, okay, so we're talking about lives. So you kind of think, like, why couldn't somebody, like Mayor Lightfoot, put aside her ego or her ideologies and just to realize that there are human beings whose lives could be saved for sure by what you're bringing about? But you're going to need, but you're going to need. But you need the political courage to make the decisions to do it. There are things standing in the way of doing it. Okay. And things standing in the way of doing it, for example, the left-wing ideologues

who become the political base for the mayor. All right, you're not supposed to mention Karl Marx on the radio show. I told you, please don't mention Karl Marx. What you just said inevitably brings us to where we are today. You said it takes political will. It takes courage. That's the issue. Right.

So when we talk about Donald Trump's presidency, and then we talk about what happened with the election, what happened with the Hunter Biden laptop, what happened with the mainstream media and the establishment in D.C., what we now call the deep state, they effectively let we the people know that we the people don't run the country, they run the country,

and nobody has been able successfully to do much about it. But you have been, in the last couple of years, kind of involved in this, and as a result of your involvement, you talk about having contracts put out on your life. You have had the whole world attack you. I mean, you have decades and decades and decades of heroic service doing all of these things that can be proven. And they have tried to paint you as a,

as a crazy crook. Trader. And I thought to myself, why would someone do that? What are you threatening? I mean, this is like the mafia. You took on the mafia. Excellent question, Eric. And I have to tell you, I hope the ex-president isn't mad at me for saying this.

I think it was, we both knew, and I was with him almost every day for the last five months of his 16 campaign. We knew we were getting into something really tough and difficult. and that the Democrats, and particularly the Obama administration, the one thing people don't realize, it was a very, very corrupt administration, both for money and ideologically. And the guy was obviously a guy that wanted to head us to socialism and communism.

He did. Nobody wanted to accept that. There were 100 pieces of evidence of that, and everybody saw him as a prince, and you couldn't. But I thought, okay, we're going to have to reverse that. And it's going to be, to me, like Reagan did, and I watched what Reagan did. And I should tell you, when I became mayor, I copied Reagan. Those were not original ideas of mine.

I fired 4,000 people so they knew I could pull the trigger. Most of the time in a labor negotiation, the city loses because the mayor doesn't have the guts to fire anybody. I fired altogether 12,000 people. They never, the taxi drivers went out on strike. I said, if you don't come back in two days, I'm going to take all the Haitian guys in Brooklyn and give them the medallions. and in fact it might be good if we got some new people in. They came back right away. The legal aid lawyers struck.

They wanted more money to represent indigent criminals. I said, that's great. We'll do new contracts. A lot of young lawyers coming out of law school, we'll give them a chance. They were back in two weeks, in two days. So I didn't let the unions run the city. I didn't let the Democrat or Republican Party run the city. I didn't let the left-wing communist ideology run the city.

I ran it with common sense. and I made the decisions and I was responsible for them and if they were wrong throw me out of office and I had a thing made up put them out I'm responsible so when I walked in in the morning

I saw it and I said to myself okay you're responsible and you're going to just constantly strive for the right thing I know it sounds almost polyanish but that's exactly what we did and I learned that from

Ronald Reagan and I saw that in Donald Trump right in the Oval Office while I was representing him. I wasn't involved in most of his government decisions. Actually, before I represented him, I was involved in more than when I did. Before I represented him, I was his friend

and he would call me. At one point, I was laid up for five weeks with a knee operation. He's such an, I mean, people don't know when he's a nice man. He called me every day to see how he was doing. Did I have the best doctor? And then of course it would get into a conversation about policy.

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And anybody, I think, who's gotten to know him knows that. But the world would never know it because he's been portrayed as Hitler 2.0. It's the biggest defamation job ever done in America. And I would say I'm probably the fourth or fifth biggest. But he's definitely the biggest. Okay. So this gets back to the question. Why?

What was he getting at? I can tell you. that you and he and others have been so extraordinarily, unprecedentedly demonized. We hit something much bigger than we thought. So we both knew there was a deep state, half believing it, half not believing it. People saying, oh, that's exaggerated.

I was hoping that was true. But from my experience in the federal government and then working with them from the outside, I knew there was a lot of ideological rigidity. I knew there was a lot of hatred, particularly of Republicans and free market solutions. I knew there was a real movement towards socialism. In my early days, I was a very, very rigid anti-communist. So I'm talking the 50s and the 60s.

When I was in the Reagan administration, I did a lot of the FISA warrants on the Russian spies. So I was into the Cold War and the – but I think like other people, people once it was over. Right. I kind of thought that's not a major priority now. And to some extent, that's true. Now, it's to some extent, and we don't need to get into this, but to my mind, this is why I don't understand NATO. Once the Soviet Union ceases to exist and you only have this thing called Russia, you

still have worldwide Marxist ideas. Right. But it's no longer focused in Moscow. It is now China and it is now the cultural Marxism in the universities and in Hollywood. And we did, America did a good job of romanticizing China. China did a great job of infiltrating us. And then the profit, greed, entered into it, which is probably the big thing. I always say there are two things.

And you can tell me what you think. I really think that what happened with China was it required bipartisan stupidity. On the one hand, you have people who idolize the free market and do not understand that if you do not have virtue in the free market, market, the free market will give you better pornography, better drugs. In other words, there's nothing magical about the free market apart from virtue. So you have a lot of those conservatives who looked at China and said, if they have the free market, people are going to be, they're going to have Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson popping up and whatever. So it was kind of a naivetee with regard to what the free market could do. And then on the left,

a naivetee with regard to the evil of communism. Yes. So the two of them combined, and you You have Clinton giving the most favored nation status, and you have all of the national review and whatever. Just we're thrilled now. Suddenly China is going to become, just like the United States of America. All we need is to forget that they're evil, and all we need is to think that the free market is going to deliver virtue and freedom and stuff. And now we have the greatest threat we've ever had. So by the time we were running in 16, he and I were at the point where I realized that the federal government had become corrupt. It was a corrupt government.

The whole way the Hillary Clinton thing was handled, I was a prosecutor for more of my life than everything else. That was a fixed case. The case was fixed. The result was dictated by Obama. It was given to Comey and the AG at the time. And, I mean, she was cleared before she was investigated. And he put a corrupt agent, Peter Struck, in charge of it, who idolized her with a girlfriend that idolized her. And it is totally impossible to not get prosecuted if you destroy 33,000 relevant emails.

I mean, it's totally impossible. So when that happened, when I heard the Comey report, who worked for me, I hired Comey and trained him for three years. His report was maybe 12 different federal crimes were committed. Clear. He explained them. And then he comes to this ridiculous conclusion that no prosecutor would ever prosecute this. Just the opposite. that no honest prosecutor would fail to prosecute it. I said to myself, something seriously has gone wrong inside our government.

We've got real corruption. When they hit him with the Russian collusion charge, I knew it was totally false from the first day. I was with him for five months. Can't say 24 hours a day, but I used to put him to bed. But we now know, of course, that... If there's any Russian collusion, I would have known it. In 2016, it seems very clear that the Hillary Clinton campaign

was creating this narrative. No, no, of course not. But I'm saying we now know. With this Russian collusion thing, I'm in the middle of the campaign, and I'm saying, what are you crazy? I've been here for six months. I haven't seen a damn Russian.

I hear all his telephone calls because he's very open about, if he were talking to Russians, he would talk to Russians openly. The guy doesn't do secret things. Plus, he wouldn't have even necessarily known it was wrong because the way you make that criminal

is an application of campaign findings. law, which is debatable. It's debatable whether information can be valued so that you violate the campaign finance law. Half the professors say yes. Half the professors say no. Interesting thing is Mueller finally said no in his report. He doesn't believe it should be used for criminal prosecution just for civil. So having put that aside, I had no doubt, my God, they're framing him. They're actually framing him. Now, to me, as a former prosecutor, the idea of framing someone is almost like an atomic bomb. Like you're thinking of an atomic bomb.

It's the worst thing any human being could ever do, which is to go after someone for a crime they didn't commit. I know from mostly being a prosecutor, but occasionally being a defense lawyer, the way you destroy a person's mind when you pursue them for a crime. What you do to them? You might as well torture them.

Well, it's out of, I mean, it's Stalin, it's Kafka. It's as wicked as it gets as aversion. To go after an innocent man whose reputation is his life, is a form of torture. So forgive me. We're going to go to a break. We'll be right back. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis, and they have no clue how to fix it. Oil prices have skyrocketed, and when oil prices go up, the cost of transportation and shipping spikes, leading the prices of goods to rise. And when we're already seeing record inflation, that's the last thing we need. Our economy is in trouble,

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were trying to frame Trump, trying to destroy Trump. They wanted him out of office. So it goes back to the question again. What were they afraid of? They were afraid that he was going to break up the criminal, that they have for controlling us, which most people don't know, and it is very hard to accept because the first time you say it, people are going to say to you, you're crazy, you're a conspiracy theorist. I'm going to tell you, if somebody told that to me six years ago,

I would have said that about it. Okay, six years ago, you and I both, and many others would have said, please, stop. It's bad. I would have said it's bad, but it's exaggerated. You know something? I don't know how bad it is. I constantly amazed. I find out new things for me to think that the FBI and Barr and whatever had that hard drive for a year and a half with crimes that are jumping off the hard drive

for a prosecutor. Ten minutes into that hard drive, a rookie assistant U.S. attorney could find five simple crimes to prosecute. get like that. Okay, I wanted to shift to the hard drive to the Hunter Biden laptop because you have been involved in this and of course because it's directly related to everything you have just been saying.

As bad as things are and as corrupt as the media is, we no longer have journalists, we no longer have, in other words, that all of these things that we once thought were reasonably trustable, trustworthy authorities, most Americans know we can't trust them anymore. The media, when it really went over the cliff for me, because as bad as it was, there's still some modicum of trust. When they decided to bury the Hunter laptop story during the campaign, I said this is the most astonishing, egregious crime that journalists have ever caught.

It didn't even seem possible that it could be happening. You're now in the middle of this. Well, by that time, I had been conducting an investigation. I mean, we had gotten through the Russian collusion thing, and I think we disproved it to 100% disproved it. I didn't want it to be one of those things where, well, we just can't find evidence. I went out and got witnesses to disprove it,

which is how I got myself involved in Ukraine. Because information was given to me in 2017 that what they are claiming in Ukraine is kind of like projection. They're doing it in, What they're claiming in Russia is a projection of what they're doing in Ukraine. This is like a Hitchcock movie. It is.

I mean, it really is. It is. You can't make it up. And I have someone come to me, a very trusted source who's now been revealed to the FBI, and they don't dispute that he's a trusted source that says there are four or five officials in Ukraine that want to come to the United States. They are willing to testify under oath, not one of these New York Times. I won't give you my name because I'm a sneaky little coward.

They want to testify under oath. that there was a massive scheme in Ukraine. It was funded by more than the $1.2 million of the steel money, although steel was done there. They have a lot of information how the steel affidavit was put together. The steel dossier was put together, helped by a Soros NGO called Antak. And that Joe Biden was heavily involved in it,

who was heavily involved in helping them connect the two things together, and he succeeded in getting it, getting the case against Soros's company killed so the company could get its documents back and destroy them. Wow. And then, in the course of this, they say to me, and of course you know about the bribe of Poroshenko by Biden. And I say, of course, I don't.

I don't. What are you talking about? I knew Joe Biden for 35 years. I'll give you my opinion straight out, one of the dumbest men I've ever met, but very nice. Until he wanted to act, and then he could be nasty and stupid, like Clarence Thomas or the mid-th... But everybody, I was introduced to him by a law school classmate of his

who said, you're going to like this guy. This is 30 years ago? You're going to like this guy. You can have a lot of fun with him. But boy, is he dumb. He had to cheat through college. Constantly plagiarizes. Got caught for that.

Well, we know that. So all the things that came out on him was a shock to me. Here was the shock. I never thought of him as a crook. Or not a big crook. Maybe a little time crook. So they said to me, no, the bribe, the bribe to Poroshenko. Get out of here, no bribe.

They take out a tape of a meeting of the Atlantic Council, I think it was. And he gets up, and he does this big, dramatic thing where he says, and what did I do about corruption? I said to the president of Ukraine, if you don't get rid of that crooked prosecutor, you're not getting your $1 billion loan guarantee. And you have seven hours to do it. immediately knowing Joe Biden, I knew that wasn't true.

I knew that the histrionic, brave, tough was bull. But I knew it happened. It happened differently, but something like that happened. And I said, okay, that has all the elements of the crime of bribery. He just admitted bribery. It's an offer of something of value, the $1 billion loan guarantee. If they didn't get it, they had $800,000 in the bank. They'd go under.

The country disappeared. The guy's dying for it. Number two, in exchange for official action, firing the prosecutor. One, two. We don't have a motive yet, right? We got the elements of the crime. Where's the motive? All of a sudden, they say to me, just a matter-of-factly.

Oh, you know, it's crazy. The United States is so naive. They're so naive. everybody in Ukraine knows he's a crook. He comes here and he lectures us on being honest and not being corrupt. And everybody, Ukraine laughs at him. Now, who are we talking about now? Biden.

Biden said, everybody in Ukraine knows he's a crook. We all know what happened. So I said, what happened? He said, well, his son works for the company that he got the case dismissed for. I said, what? And he didn't disclose that in saying that? He does this big thing, and his son works for the company? Right.

And he said, and it wasn't about the sun working for the company. The sun was a collateral thing. The guy who owns the company is one of the biggest crooks in Ukraine. Not only is one of the biggest crook in Ukraine, he's a pro-Russian. He ran away with $27 billion of a company that he ceded when he was in government. He was minister of the ecology. It's like being the minister of energy. So Schetsky is his name.

He took all the best leases, took them away from the other companies, put him in his company, He put in Cyprus, took it from a $10 billion company to a $27 billion company, and then he ran away. Okay, and the password is corruption. We'll be right back with Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Public education has gone off the rails. Parents and teachers have had enough. Watch the groundbreaking new documentary, whose children are they today on SalemNow.com. Go to salemnow.com.

That's SalemNow.com. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Mayor Rudolph. Giuliani, this is hour number one. We are going to drag him over the border into hour number two. We have our dear friend, Jenna Ellis, waiting in the wings. So we're just having fun. My co-counsel.

And she is your co-counsel. And I want to, maybe we'll bring her on with you at the end of the second hour. So let's just follow this little rabbit trail here. And by the way, people want to hear hour two and you don't get it on your local radio station. Go to metaxis talk.com. and, of course, we'll post these videos. Go to Eric Mataxis.com. Sign up for my newsletter and we'll send these videos to you.

But you're talking about levels of corruption that most Americans, it just makes our eyes roll back in our heads. Including me. Yeah. I mean, so I've seen corruption at the highest level of the government. I prosecuted the mafia, prosecuted congressmen. I prosecuted Nazis. I prosecuted drug dealers, Wall Street.

Some of this I couldn't, it took me days to believe it. Right. How could a vice president do this? And how could he get away with it? It was so obvious to Obama that he was doing it. So there has to be tremendous corruption to allow something like this to happen. And here there were these five witnesses who wanted to come and testify under oath, and they were being blocked.

About what? About, well, the prosecutor got fired, right? Okay, about this specific situation. He wanted to come and testify under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't. kill the case on Zelchewski's company, Burisma, because it also included Hunter Biden. Because it led to Hunter Biden, which Mirabale Dick to, leads to the former vice president of the United States, Joe Biden. So this is as big as it gets. Everybody can see what it looks like.

You've got the prosecutor who gets fired. He wants to come and testify. They won't let him testify. The United States ambassador of Voinovich, who they've made into St. Voinovich. was as dirty as they come. She blocked these people from coming for a year with phony excuses that they were, like in the case of Shokin, he wanted to come and testify.

She said he couldn't leave because he's corrupt. Who is pulling these strings? In other words, for Voinovich to do that, somebody up above, who is up above? The general theory was that Soros was running the embassy in Ukraine. But obviously, Obama and Clinton, they have to allow that. Obama allowed him to be the key force in appointing most of the ambassadors in the Eastern European countries because that's where his financial listeners are.

And he had a little huge scheme. Former President Obama. Obama's involved in this. Do you think, I mean, I just got to cut to the chase momentarily. The prince is involved. Do you think he will be implicated? A country would have to become almost as courageous as it was when we became a free country to do that. Right.

But isn't that the idea? We'd have to rid ourselves of so much psychopathic damage that's been done to us. If you're asking me, should Obama be thoroughly investigated for what did he know and when did he know it? Yeah, just as much as Nixon was. And this, what happened here certainly puts any. financial crime conducted by the federal government, you know, it's much bigger by any means. Because I thought it was just Ukraine. Then all of a sudden, I realize it's Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan, Romania.

And Soros is involved in most of these? The big one of all. No, Soros are not involved in the Eastern European ones. China, a whole different group of players. And the biggest one of all? China. China. And then you step back from it and you say to yourself,

not only do we have a 30-year bribery scheme that's outrageous, but he's doing it with our enemies. So to me, I'm an amateur historian. This should be like in the buildup to World War II, we find out that Roosevelt got $31 million from Hitler. Not that there's anything wrong with that. We're going to go to hour two with Mayor Roeux. Rudolph Giuliani, don't go away.

You've got to have a sense of humor about it. Oh, yeah.