The Eric Metaxas Show - Mel K – Trump, the Deep State & Global Deception

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Researcher and commentator Mel K joins Eric to discuss President Trump’s battle against the Deep State. They examine media manipulation, global deception, and the spiritual dimensions of truth in an age of overwhelming misinformation.

Welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show. It's a nutritious smoothie of creamy, fresh yogurt, vanilla protein powder, and a mushy banana. For your mind, drink it all down. It's nummy. I wub, vanilla. I wub, I wop, I wap, panela. Here comes Eric Metaxus. Hey, folks.

Welcome back. Okay. My biggest problem is pronouncing the last name of my guest. Perhaps my guest can pronounce it. it for me. It's Lose. It's Rob Loz. Lose.

That's how I know my true friends. Rob Lowe's. Okay, Rob Lose. You have made a film about Henriette Amir's. First of all, give me the 32nd version of us, who is Henriette Amir?

Some people listening know exactly who she is, but who is she? She is an amazing lady that sort of changed our modern Christianity in amazing ways. If you've gone to Sunday schools since 1928, you've probably experienced her. She's the first one that broke it into grade levels and made our Sunday school

modern. She took this young evangelist that was going to quit the ministry and convinced him to keep going. His name was Billy Graham. Two people named Bill and Vanette Bright started a little ministry called Campus State for Christ on her dining table. They lived with her for 10 years. She was the director of Christian education Hollywood Press. She started a group called the Hollywood Christian group, which brought many people to Christ. She wrote the book, what the Bible is all. about and you think there would be a documentary about her already wouldn't you i mean she affected so much so yes you would that's so okay now yeah good before before we go too far where can people see the film i want to make sure that that we're clear on that you can see it's streaming now on salem now it's

streaming on vimeo it's streaming on amazon prime salem now and what else amazon prime vime Amazon Prime and Vimeo. Okay. All right, folks, SalemNow.com. Go to salemnow.com. Now I know, Rob, that I interviewed somebody, I don't know if it was a year ago or so, who wrote a book Arlen Magliz. Correct. I think you interviewed Arlen Maglizio, who was a professor at Whitworth, who wrote the book. He entered Amir's, the mother of modern evangelicalism. Yes. Well-researched, well-researched, well-researched, incredibly good. He's in the film. You know, we've talked to quite a lot. So he did a lot of her really formative research about her Minnesota years before she moved to Hollywood. That's the other crazy thing, Eric,

is this is out of Hollywood. This is out of Hollywood press. This is a whole new take on how can Hollywood be the global launching pad for all this? It's just too wild to be true. And what is the title of your film?

Mears how one woman changed American Christianity. Okay. M-E-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A- A-R-S mirrors. One woman changed American Christianity. All right, so this is, it's rare in a way that you bump into somebody who deserves to be very well known and who isn't. And so it's a big deal when the book came out a year or so ago and now the film, it's a big deal that we know our history. And this woman, you say effectively invented this thing that we call something.

Sunday school. Well, Robert Rakes invented it in London, you know, in the 1600s for sure. It changed into the fact that what we now, what most of us, most churches perceive as Sunday school, is it's broken into grade levels with age-appropriate curriculum. It wasn't always that way. It was sort of one room with a bunch of people gathered around and sort of people not really taught. Ms. Mears took it. She was an educator. She was a principal in Minnesota. She made, she heard thought was you go to study school from cradle to grave. in 1949 Hollywood Press had the largest Sunday school in the world 6,500 people going to Sunday school

on Sunday mornings from nursery on up and there was designed Hollywood Presbyterian That's correct First Presbyterian Yes, California What decade?

What decade are we talking about? 1949, 1950. So that was the biggest, it was the biggest church in the country. It was the first megachurch before there's a megaturgeurs. 10,000 people attended this church.

We don't know. Who was the pastor of Hollywood Presbyterian in 1949? Do we know? Yes, we do know. Before that, it was Louis Evan Sr. Then came into Ray Lindquist, and then it was Lloyd Ogilvie after that. So, but Ray Lindelvie. That's a name that I'm familiar with, Lloyd Ogilvy. But it's such a bizarre thing.

We forget. I mean, I go to California a lot. And there are many, many Christians in California. You kind of think it's this, you know, secular leftist wasteland, but there are many tremendous churches. Obviously, Ronald Reagan was there, Bel Air Presbyterian. There's so many churches that were really preaching the truth, and we forget. But you're telling us that Henrietta Mears, this huge figure, not literally, in American Christianity in the early part of the 20th century, comes from that neck of the woods.

she does she arrived there in 1988 and became director of Christian education a title she kept for the whole time she basically changed the way we think she also found it Forest Home which is the place where Billy Graham actually rededicated his

life to Christ and then that launched into the 1949 crusade in Los Angeles the you know downtown on Washington Hill which turned him from a nobody into a somebody you know and Billy Graham said about her, he said, of the women that, the three women that influenced my life most, my mom, my wife, Henry and Mears.

So it's crazy, Eric, that we don't know more about her. It's just bizarre to me that we have left her in a forgotten place, but she deserves all this. I mean, to be a woman in ministry, she launched 450 men into the pastor just in the Presbynuch alone. I mean, she was a, she was a woman that believed in education. She was, you know, a conservative believer who taught the Bible, but she said a lot of people know of Princeton Theological Seminary, which is pretty liberal, but she said, if you believe, then you better be able to defend it. You better be able to know this stuff. So where you get your best, the best education possible, and then you can reach out to the world.

And it's just, it's, it's not only Presbyterian, too. We talked to Cheryl Broderson, who's the daughter of Chuck Smith, Calvary Chapel. You know, she just says, he said that there are two books on her dad's nightstand, the Bible, and what the Bible's all about, which is the book by Henry Demers. Billy Graham gave way almost five million copies of those. Every time you became a Christian in the 60s, you got Decision Magazine at a Billy Graham Crusade. You also got what the Bible's all about, which is a very readable commentary. So now this, this is interesting because I don't know that book. I thought I knew everything, and I certainly don't.

But you're telling me that the book by Henrietta Mears is called What the Bible is All About? Yes. And whatever happened to that book? How come people aren't, you know, is that available? It is available. I'm leaving camera. Grab it for you. What the Bible is all about right here.

And so this is kind of a primer on the Bible, obviously. It is. It goes from the very beginning of the Bible to the very end of the Bible. It's really simply. It's written. It's based on all. of her lessons. When did she write that book?

When did she pull that together? This action was pulled together from her lesson. She died in 1963. This was pulled together after her death, slightly after her death. But it was all her writings and teachings and taken from all of her notes. So it's,

but it's really cool because if you're not, if you just want to read how it all ties together, it takes Jesus from the very beginning all the way through the Bible, through the Old Testament and on. And she'll, she's very nonsensical. She grew up in many, Minneapolis, in the Minnesota area.

She's a very straightforward Midwesterner. You know, she doesn't, it's not a lot of big, crazy words. It's a lot of, here's what it's all about, here's what the basics are, here's what you need to learn and memorize. I mean, I love that because people are always looking for a book like that. And again, I've never even heard of that, but you're saying it's still in print. Yeah, I'll send it to you. So you can. What the Bible is all about by Henrietta Mears.

Yeah. So I want to talk to you more in the next segment, but in the first. final minute we have. What led you, you know, who are you that you are making films, Rob? What is your, what is your story? Get into the beginning of your story of why you made a film on Henrietta Mears. Yeah. The short version is the fact that a couple of years ago I did, I've done a lot of stuff through the years. You and I know each other back from the kids' television days. You were doing veggie tales. I did a show called McGee and Me. But back in those days, I wanted to continue to want to do something to honor God. And I've done.

based here in Los Angeles since I graduated from Northwestern radio TV film. I've helped develop shows like Star Search and did a whole bunch of other stuff. So I've always had two sides to my career. I'd love to do great stuff for God. And I love to do other kind of programming. So we did a documentary a few years ago on The Salt Company, which was the start of contemporary Christian music, which ironically also started in Hollywood. Strange, a whole other story.

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only while supplies last. Welcome, welcome to the program. Every now and again, I'd like to see if we can get on the program Mel K. And the good news is every now and again, we get Mel K. And the even better news is today we have Mel K as my guest. Welcome back, Mel K, just a joy to have you.

Oh, well, I'm so happy to be here. I'm such a big fan of you and your message and your work. So being here is an honor. Thank you for having me. Well, listen, you're always just fun to talk to because you really bring, you bring it. You're a true journalist that's willing to dig and then to talk about what you find. So, okay, where do we start? Where do you, where would you want to start? And if you don't have any ideas, I'll ask you some questions. Well, I think we should start at, you know, I wrote a book, American's Anonymous where I put the premise forward. It's a recovery program for American citizens

that are sitting it out that need to get involved. And one part of it is called, sick is our secrets, that America has been misled about a lot of our history, particularly post-World War II. So I think that what we have to realize is that what Donald Trump is doing so far, in my opinion, is as JFK called it, infiltration instead of invasion, was happening to our country. And that we had a deep state, which has been denied for decades, that was working against us from within. I think right now there's no way to possibly say that that's not true. But I think the origins of it have been hidden from the American people because, of course, the victors write the history.

And what I'm hoping is that the American people start to ask questions about what they have been taught, particularly about the years between 1944 and 1954 when globalism, kind of normalized as the priority of the United States and why that happened. And when I look into all of this and I see what Trump's doing with tariffs, what Trump is doing with the negotiations he's involved in around the world, I think we have to realize that America was first infiltrated, I think, the biggest betrayal of this country was the Federal Reserve in Wilson's term in 1913. But then after World War II, we have to.

realize that we had something going on, I believe, during World War II that was planning for a post World War II world that was no longer based on nation states. And, you know, when George H.W. Bush walked on the floor of the United Nations when he got in and announced that we would have a new world order basically run by the United Nations, I think what he forgot to put in there was a new world financial order that would be protected by any means necessary, regardless. of nation states, particularly the United States. And once we start to look at what he's doing with tariffs, which is really, I think, reversing the damage of the Marshall Plan,

which actually we paid for, but bigger than that, I think we have to look at our debt, our $36 trillion in debt, and start to come to terms with the fact that the United States was lied to, looted, and deceived in paying for not just the endless wars and the military industrial complex and their Wall Street partners, but frankly the entire globalist, globalism, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, all of the international organizations, frankly, I believe the American taxpayers funded all of it. And a lot of our debt is

because of the machinations with Bretton Woods, with what was going on in Switzerland, with Alan Dulles and the Bank of International settlements. Yeah. Now, listen, you know, what I love, Mel, is that you, you know, I don't know who listens to this program, a lot of really wonderful people. But I know in some worlds, listening to everything you just said, they just say, oh, this person's crazy. And even I, a number of years ago, if I had heard you say what you just said, I would say, this person's nuts.

The good news and the bad news is you're not. You are saying what ought to have been said for decades. We have been snookered, fooled, gaslit. And the joy of being alive now in America is we are waking, we are only realizing, wait a minute, they lied, wait a minute. We've drifted away. The way I would frame what you've been saying, or most of what you've been saying,

is that we've drifted away from the founder's vision. We, the people, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, these founding documents of who we are. of people, what it means to be free, that, as has been said many, many times, it doesn't carry on by itself. It doesn't take care of itself. We the people have to lean into it and live it and sacrifice for it continually. Benjamin Franklin famously said, it's a republic, madam, if you can keep it. And that's the title of my book, If You Can Keep It. In other words, if we the people don't understand how things are supposed to work, when things go wrong or when they drift away, we just let it go. And it gets worse

and worse and worse. So we found ourselves in this existential crisis over the last few years where we thought, oh, if we do not wake up now and do something now and get radical now, it is over. We're like, we're sliding to the abyss. And so, I mean, literally five years ago, when I heard the term deep state, I remember thinking, what? I mean, five years ago, not 15 years ago, five years ago, when the election was stolen and all these weird things were happening and people talked about the... I thought, well, you know, that sounds...

And now, by the grace of God, many of us know a permanent bureaucratic class, an unelected class, and people behind the scenes cynically playing the game and saying, you know what, we're in control now, but we're not going to tell you because we don't want you to wake up.

we're just going to, we're just going to keep going and keep going. So the fact that, by the grace of God, Donald Trump is elected twice, three times, in fact, and people are waking up and saying we need to drain the swamp. We need to whatever. I mean, the first thing, of course, is identifying the bad actors and going back. And so what you've just done, and I want to get into it with you, you're looking, where did this start? Right. So I remember when I realized, oh, you know, this started, JFK was murdered by forces in our government. Now, that alone, I think most people would say, that's really? Like, that's a little too much.

But at some point, you have to be honest, there's real evil in the world, folks. This is, it didn't go away. It didn't go away in 1776. There's real evil in the world. There are evil forces that they're willing to kill for power. And so you go backwards and now you go way before that. So I want to get into this with you because you know what I don't about where did this come from? Where do you suppose it came?

Does it start with Wilson? Where does it go? President Wilson? Where do you see the roots of this ultimately? Well, first I see President Wilson as a dual agent of both the Crown and America, frankly. And if you look at who was inspiring him, it was mainly people from the Crown. First of all, we also have to understand, and this is my firm belief. I'm writing on it right now, which is that I do not believe that the Crown ever accepted the American Revolution as...

Wait, wait, wait. This is heavy. When people start throwing on terms like the Crown, I want to say, what do you mean, Mel Kay? You mean the British Crown. I mean more... Talk about this. This is heavy. This is heavy. I mean the British Crown, but I mean basically the City of London. Okay. So you have to understand. The City of London is not London. the city of London is the Crown or the Monarchs Bank. And that is the bank that has controlled the world from the beginning, basically. And even in America. But once I believe that the idea was get our troops out of the U.S., not out of the South.

Don't forget that the South was very much still loyal to the Crown all the way up to the Civil War. But what we do need to understand is that they then, I believe, made a long. long-term plan to infiltrate us through the banking system, and then by building the railroads, branching out of the banking system, then making these land leases where they owned the land around the railroads. This was all, I believe, a city of London operation. And allowed in by obviously Wilson. And then, of course, from that came the IRS, which was also to feed money into the Federal Reserve, which was not the Federal Reserve of America. It was a actually controlled by the international banking cartel, as I call them now, but the city of London

was making the decisions at that point on what to do about this new radical United States of America. And frankly, it never stopped to this day, the infiltration through the banking system to control the United States. And I believe that's what Donald Trump is trying to dismantle right now. Wow, that's a lot. Okay. So let's go back for a moment. I've heard. heard often people talk about the city of London. So what do you mean by that? Say that again, because that's the piece that I've never understood. Well, the city of London, similar to the District of Columbia, is a separate part of London where the, and it was ruled over by the Rothschild banking family for a long time because they controlled the money basically of the monarch. And

the city of London is also who was making, deciding what gold was worth. worth what you know all the stuff that we talk about now in modern terms they controlled on the global stage particularly not just gold but also um all kinds of things like shipping and everything else was being decided out of this uh city of london that still stands to this day and i believe is between them and the hubs in switzerland which i'll get into when we get okay when we come back we're going to we're going to just keep going this is this is important stuff folks We're right back with Mel Kay. Welcome back. I'm talking to Melkay. You can find her at the Melkayshow.com. Okay, so you're talking about some heavy stuff. A lot of folks in my audience, myself included, are not really up on what you're talking about. Now, are you ethnically Jewish? Yes. Okay. So the reason I asked that question is because I have heard people say the Jews control the banking system, the Rothschilds and the so it becomes this kind of like, anti-Jewish conspiracy theory. But with all conspiracy theories, there may be truth in it and you have to

kind of pull out, you know, whatever. So talk about that because I know that, yeah. Well, what I'll say first about that is I believe that that is used as a tool. I've been called anti-Semitic nonstop by the ADL for the last five years because I often talk about what I call the Fourth Reich. And people don't like it, but it's financial, and I understand it very well to explain it to anyone, which I will today. In the meantime, I grew up an Italian Jew with all of, we never really thought, at least in my upbringing, I never really thought about that my religious beliefs, which are my own, were anyone else's business. And this whole idea that, first of all, I believe that a lot of the infiltration in America that Yuri Besmanoff warned us about in his love letters, to America. Of course, he's the FSP agent that defected to America, to warn America,

about the infiltration of communism, you know, into our country. And of course, he talked about, you know, a lot of this stuff, which is using language to kind of manipulate the masses into accepting this kind of socialist, Marxist ideal in America. And frankly, what has happened is that instead of judging people by their actions, we have gotten to a place where it's very easy to dismiss people as Jews or, you know, or Christians or Catholics or whatever. When it's like, no, when I tell you the truth about George Soros and his decades of what he's done to this world,

then I get called anti-Semitic. No, I'm talking about what he's done. So as long as we're going to go down a path of being very superficial and vapid in what we're saying, like the Jews can. control X. Well, then you don't know history because what really, I think, the biggest thing that the American people have to understand right now is that we were being basically infiltrated and deceived by people in our government that were working during World War II to financialize a global control system that was being created by Alan Dulles and John Foster

Dulles and the guy Mekitrich who was running the Bank of International Settlements at Switzerland while there's people dying and fighting wars all over Europe, they're planning for a future financial world order. And a lot of these people

were, in fact, not Jewish. But there were. I mean, obviously there were the Warburgs. But Alan Dulles, definitely not Jewish. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, definitely not Jewish. Although there are people who would argue that, of course, Roosevelt was Jewish, all the evil people have to be Jewish.

As a Christian, I worship Jesus. He was a Jew. I'm pretty sure Mary was a Jew. I think she was half Italian, I believe. I'm just, I'm not sure. But I was going to say, in other words, a true New Yorker, half Jewish, half Italian. But in all seriousness, it is important to say, look, George Soros is an evil guy. He happens to be Jewish, yes. But what you're talking about, out is these are the facts and these are people that, I mean, really what we're talking about is they're globalists, correct? Yes, exactly. And they used to call themselves internationalists was what they used to call themselves. Right. Now they're globalists. A globalist from my point of you, a globalist is ideologically at war with the idea of America, the founder's vision of

America of a free people who will govern ourselves, where we bow to no king. We bow to, we bow to God and we govern ourselves and we're free, that idea goes away if you're not vigilant about it. And of course, through the decades and even the centuries now, you have had people that said, we don't like that idea. We would prefer for the people not to control themselves or to rule themselves, but we like to rule over them. But we don't want to let them know that we're doing that because that would be too obvious. So we're not going to declare ourselves, you know, Soviet communists or whatever. We'll just kind of pretend that everything is still the same, but it's not.

And so you're talking about in World War II, a lot of these folks saw an opportunity. Yes, a thousand percent. And what's good news about this now that everyone in your audience can look into, and it's not gotten much publicity, is that Chuck Grassley is working with Malay of Argentina right now on a huge investigation that is supposed to be presented in mid-2020. This is going into the entire situation at Credit Suisse and the Bank of International settlements, as well as the Nazi rat lines out of Germany at the end of World War II that basically laundered trillions. Right now it would be trillions, but at the time billions of dollars from the 60 million people that were pillaged, killed, putting camps by the Nazis and all of their, accomplices during the World War II. There were billions upon billions of dollars made,

and including American companies that were working in Germany and around the world were complicit. A lot of these people were called out, particularly international companies out of Germany in Nuremberg. The bottom line of all of that, this investigation now, is that, yes, we know about Operation Paperclip. We know about McCloy, and we know about the scientists, and and Alan Dolis bringing scientists and giving them new names and putting them in the jet propulsion lab and NASA and all of that. What a lot of people don't realize and is starting to come out is around 12,000 high-level Nazis came through the rat lines into the United States. Hang on. We're going to go to a break. We'll be right back with Mel Kay. Welcome back, foe. Mel, you're dumping a lot of stuff on us that a lot of people in my audience, myself included.

it's new to us. But I think we're tracking enough because we see that Donald Trump for some reason is a force against all these things. I want to go there for a second. Why do you suppose Donald Trump is onto this and is warring against this? What is it about Donald Trump? Because every other president, I mean, you know, the Bushes, certainly the Clintons, Obama, they're pretty much on board with this. They didn't care to take the trouble.

to sacrifice anything to fight against this. They thought, we'll just drift along with it. What is it about Trump, you suppose, that says, I want to go to war with this, with this deep state, with all of this stuff, which has prevented America from being a truly sovereign nation where we continue to govern ourselves. What is it about Trump? Right.

And you have to remember, the whole issue is nation states. Like, you're talking about America, but the truth is, it was our money that paid for the EU, which is a disaster and the euro. it was all coming out of the Marshall Fund. We were, again, they used, as they always do, the globalists, our empathy and compassion for the destruction that took place during World War II to reconstruct. Well, that reconstruct was also the beginning of the financial looting of America to the tune of trillions of dollars over years in the guise of, you know, support.

USAID, which is not aid. It is international development. But in the meantime, Donald Trump, I fully believe, not only for whatever they, they say is not only a student of history, but frankly, he knows the international, how this, how this played out, what really happened in World War II and since to the economy of the United States of America, which was an intentional controlled demolition of the United States by the international, I call them the international banking cartel, explain that in a minute. And so I believe that not only is he's a student of history, but he's very clear on the idea

that all American citizens, there's nothing to say, all American taxpayers have paid for the incredible wealth that has been generated by the endless wars and the war on terror and the globalist projects. And it all leads back to a group of people of which Donald Trump was never a part of of the billionaire class, the people that go to the Council of Foreign Relations, to Bilderberg, to the Trilateral Commission,

that go to Davos. The one thing all these people have in common is a belief that the United States and Canada are not really separate from Europe. So if you look at all the things that are playing out now with migration, with debt, with war, with Ukraine particularly, you see that obviously the West being Europe, the America and Canada, you can put in Australia if you want, are being targeted. very, you know, we're not seeing them demand that China or Saudi Arabia or India take in the world's people and mass migration, but they're demanding that all the traditionally white Christian countries do. It's the same thing with COVID. If you're going to look at COVID and see how it was played out worldwide on an international level in lockstep and still want to live in the belief that there is no international group that is coordinating the controlled demolition of nation states that are a threat

to them, then you're intentionally not wanting to see it. And I think that the most important thing for that, and your audience can also look this up, is to understand that I believe World War 3, which we are on the cusp of now, was planned a long time ago, possibly near the end of World War II. And there is evidence in the CIA declassification of a document that your audience can look up. It's called the Red House document. It's also really covered in the book The Tower of Basel by Labore or any of Anthony Sutton's books. Or I'm reading right now The Devil's Chess Board about the Dulles brothers. There is plenty of evidence that all of this money that was being pumped out of the 60 million people that were pillaged and looted and killed,

during World War II by the enemy was being pumped somewhere. And what I do want everyone to understand and look up is that in 1945, when they were putting together this in Switzerland. Now, remember, we were told that Switzerland was neutral. The truth is that Switzerland never stopped international banking commerce. And if you look at it that way, I know that Alan Dulles, who went from OSS to start the CIA and also the, So his brother, John Foster Dolos, was the lawyer for Sullivan and Cromwell.

They spent most of their time during World War II. Dolis was based in Switzerland, in Switzerland, dealing with the international bankers and the creation or recreation of the Bank of International settlements. Now, what people don't know is that in 1945, there was an act passed in America, really pushed by the Rockefellers and Dolis and a lot of other people called the International Organization Immunity Act. This act gave the Bank of International Settlements, and it's 63 attached banks,

which are the private Western Central banks, including our Fed, immunity from investigation, from search and seizure. In fact, the Bank of International settlements, the Swiss government can't even go in there. There are whole families. Everyone there are exempt from taxes. exempt from going through custom. They are exempt from any audits. So that happened. At the same time, the United Nations and all of its tentacles fell under the same act that is still in place to this day.

And this was part of the apparatus to create what you said earlier. I call it the parent company. But basically a government above the government that is basically a financial control mechanism using NGOs. I call it. the Rockefeller model. It's easy to see how they do it. Of course, Soros, the Clintons, they all followed that model. Then you got the international organizations connected to the United Nations, and then you have the international banks, all of which were conceived and built out in Switzerland around 1944, 1954, all those years. Now, what people need to understand is that the whole point of wars, in my opinion, you know, Smedley Butler said long ago in World War I, all wars are bankers wars. Well, what does that mean? That means that most wars are, the reconstruction

post-war is the cash cow for the military industrial complex and the banks that support them, which in America, unfortunately, includes Wall Street, because for whatever reason we have allowed our military contractors that get billions of taxpayer dollars to also be traded on Wall Street. That is not by accident. So if you start to look at it this way, there is a document called the Red House Papers on the CIA D-Class website, anyone can look at. And basically, in 44, before Germany surrendered, they had Nazis, including Hitler, and the internationalists, which are, we now call the, I call the global public-private partnership, and the bankers, international bankers, met to discuss the Fourth Reich. Okay, hang on.

When we come back, plenty more, folks, don't go away. Welcome back talking to Mel Kay. All right, you're giving us such an information dump because most people in my audience, and I keep saying myself as well, a lot of this is new to us. So I want to just go back so that we're tracking with you. Trump seems to be onto this.

He doesn't talk the way you do. He doesn't reference this kind of stuff, but he seems to be onto it. I suspect JFK was on to this as well. What do you suppose it was? I'll say it. I asked it about Trump and I asked it about JFK, that JFK saw this and was willing to go to war against it

and was murdered because of that. Yeah. And don't forget, they also knocked out Reagan. A lot of people don't know that really after Reagan was shot, he was never in control again, Cheney and Bush were. And please, everyone needs to understand. Scott Bush was working with three Nazi bankers and got caught, and they shut down the bank to fund Hitler. Not to mention that, just that, J.P. Morgan gave hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild Nazi Germany after World War I.

You know, that wasn't supposed to happen, but it did, and that was really funded by Wall Street. There's a great book by Anthony Sutton. I know he was called a conspiracy theorist, but there's plenty of evidence out there, particularly CIA documents that have been released over years. So what happened in 44 is they all got together, and that is what Malay and I believe Czech Grassley are working on putting out in 2026 at some point. So what is going on right now is they are tracking these Nazi rat lines through Argentina into America. A lot of these companies that was decided at this meeting in 44, they were going to get as much money out of Germany into America, start the corporate. in America, many of them as front companies, to launder that money to, many of these companies became multinational corporations that are now part of the global public-private partnership that was created back in Switzerland during those war years when the world was focused on war

and the international banking cartel were focused on a financial forthright. And I know it's hard for people to accept this, but if you really just break it down, what was the goal of the Third Reich. A unified Europe with basically no Russia. This even comes out in George Soros' document in 1993 called the NATO World Order or Zig Brzynsinski's book, The Grand Chessboard, was a unified Europe that runs the world through Brussels and Geneva. We are right now watching the exact same thing play out in Europe right now. And again, we have to also understand that the history of the Cold War and Russia and the hatred of Russia that has been like, you know, pushed on us through Hollywood and the media and everything else all these years,

leaves out a lot of history. And there's really no other way to say this other than that what we are dealing with now, and I'm talking about the expansion of NATO against the will of what was decided between Gorbachev and James Baker and Reagan. And then the intervention of NGOs all over the world, particularly George Soros's NGOs, and then the expansion one after another of surrounding Russia with NATO. And that NATO also had multiple people at the top of NATO that were full on Nazis. Okay. So you have to understand even what's going on in Ukraine was planned way back in the 90s. There was a plan for a third World War. And that

third world war was again, what did they try after the First World War, the League of Nations, and a unified world currency failed because America was still wide awake and invested. Actually, yes. This is, man, there's so much here, but the good news is

we have time as long as you can stick with us, Melké. Folks, we'll be back. If you want to watch this on YouTube, go to my YouTube channel, Eric Metaxus, YouTube channel, And we'll be back in hour two in just a moment.