The Eric Metaxas Show - Michael Medved (Continued)

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

Michael Medved joins Eric for a special Socrates in the City presentation continued

Folks, welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metals. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy p.m.investments.com. That's legacy p.m. Investments.com. Ladies and gentlemen, looking for something new and original, something unique and without equal. Look no further. Here comes the one and only Eric Mattaxas. Hey, the folks. Welcome to the Airquit Taxis Show. I'm not here. Chris, I'm not here.

It seems like you're here. Well, it seems like I'm here now, but when we air this, I will not be here. I will be away far, far away. I'm going to Ultimathul. Do you know where that is? Because I don't, but the captain of the ship knows, and he's taking us to Ultimuthul. Wow. Sounds like you made up that name.

Yeah. Is it a real place? I think it's mythical. Yeah. But anyway, no, but we thought we would pre-record a segment, which that's this segment right now. because people write us letters and things and I thought some of which we can share some of which we can share so I wanted to read this one uh someone wrote uh well we've got a few here that are kind of cool and so I thought let me let me read them so this one says uh this is from Tori um it's uh well it says hello eric i read your biography of Dietrich Bonhoffer a few years back it may be one of the most impactful books I've read, and you are in serious company among Thomas Sol, Wendell Berry, and of course Dostoevsky. Of course Dostoevsky. Who wouldn't compare me in my writings

to Dostoevsky? Sure. But seriously, I read something like this, and I just say, you know, because I joke around and I try to be light, but that really means a lot to me that somebody would read my Bonhofer book and put it in, that's high cotton. For context, this person writes, Tori writes, I was raised in a small town of mostly German Americans in Wisconsin, and my high school managed to avoid studying World War II during history classes. Now, that is interesting because the shame, it's why I wrote the Bonhofer book. As a German, your shame for the Holocaust for what happened, you're trying to process that.

And so in a sense, I wrote my book to help Germans and others understand that there were many good Germans. I was going to title the book, actually, The Good German. Because I thought to myself, nobody really talks about the fact that there were Germans like Bonhofer who stood up in the face of evil, who spoke out for the Jews. It really, I felt it was a story that needed to be told, and that's why I wrote it. But it's interesting that Tori writes that, you know, growing up in Wisconsin among so many German Americans, they didn't even study World War II. She writes, even in the 70s, 1970s, the subject was too raw. In the past few years, I felt a profound sense that Bonhofer's story was pressing on us, on our culture. It felt as if you wrote letter to the American Church, that's the new book, in response to my own yearning.

Thank you and may the peace and power of God's presence be with you always, Tori. So we get a lot of letters, and we don't get to read all of them. But it just means a lot to me. And I do think that I want to say that letter to the American church, I probably said this before, but when I was writing the Bonhofer book, this is amazing. It's 2008. I had no clue what I would discover. So as I'm writing the story of what happened to Germany, I'm kind of like smelling the future.

Like I'm thinking this, I feel like this could happen in America. Because the church during his time, they didn't really respond in a... Well, they didn't understand what was happening, and therefore they didn't do what could have been done to change things. Right, right. So I kind of felt like I could sort of see this happening in America, and I felt it a little bit when I was writing the book. But in recent years, it's become really clear to me that, oh, yeah, that's exactly what is happening now. People want to know how evil took over in Germany was because of the silence of the German church. And often it was the German church good people who felt like the smart thing to do is to be silent.

And they were wrong, but it doesn't mean that they were evil, but they were complicit with evil. At the end of the day, they were very, very wrong. At the end of the day, they were complicit if they didn't repent. And so I wrote a letter to the American church, kind of like what this woman, Tori, is saying, that it's a – you could feel that the Bonhofer story, was becoming our story in America. And so I just felt, I've talked about on the Jordan Peterson podcast and in many other places, I've never, ever, ever felt God calling me to write a book.

Now, to some people that sounds loony, I don't know what to tell you, but it does feel to me like I had never felt, I had never felt that feeling before that I've got to write this in obedience to God because this is happening now and I need to write this. and I need to reach the Christians and the Christian leaders that are capable of being reached. Some are not. Some have just somehow tuned this out permanently. They're doing their own thing.

Yeah. We also get a letter which is asking a question. So I'm going to read this if we have the time. This is about the concept of women pastors. It says, Eric, recently the Southern Baptist Convention removed Saddleback Church from fellowship because Rick Warren ordained a woman pastor. Next year, the SBC Convention will move to exclude from fellowship all Southern Baptist churches that have women pastors.

They're using the scripture 1st Timothy Chapter 3 to say that being a pastor is limited to men. It seems to me that God can call whomever to do anything. Paul wrote Timothy within the context of a patriarchal society. What's your position on this issue? Thank you. and I think the name of the person who wrote this is Ivan. Well, this is a complicated one for me.

I don't know what I think about this. I don't have really, really firm views on this subject. When somebody says it seems to me that God can call whomever to do anything, that's really vague. I don't know what that means. You know, God cannot call a man to give birth. There are certain fixities in what we call reality. so to say that God can call someone to do anything,

it's just too vague for me. I don't know what that means. Whether women can be ordained as pastors, I speak at churches where they have the husband and his wife or pastors, so and so and so, and I don't have a particular problem with that, but what I find interesting is the idea where people get upset when somebody does have a view on it, and they just say, well, that's not right.

Like, you should, you should, in other words, if the Southern Baptist Convention has a fixed view on this, you don't need to be a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. But if you want to be a member of the Southern Baptist Convention, you have to go along with their rules, and don't be shocked if they say, if you break our rules, you can no longer be a part of the club, because those are the rules of the club.

And it's the same thing with the Catholic Church. You know, you've got people angry about Catholic time. It's like, look, the doctrine is the doctrine. and if you don't like it, you don't have to be a member of that that denomination. So I'm always, because I don't know what I think about this. I mean, I feel like I can see both sides of it. And so I've never really been clear on it.

It's not a deal breaker for me. And I think it all depends on what one means by being a pastor, because obviously women can do ministry. And so what are the limits of that? and how does that work? I don't know. I don't know. But it's interesting because there was another church that's, I think it's called Elevate.

It's, I think, Ferdick, Steve Ferdick is the pastor, whatever. They're in North Carolina. And they recently, I read, had decided to leave the Southern Baptist Convention over this issue because they don't like this issue of, you know, that they're not able to have a woman pastor. And I think, from what I, from what I. know of that church, I believe it's Elevate, but it's in Charlotte, North Carolina, where I was

recently, but I think some of these churches are just leaning woke. And this is what I talk about in Letter to the American Church. And so they're using this thing of ordaining women as an excuse to kind of kick out of the Southern Baptist Convention. But I just think that

this church elevate, which is a huge church in Charlotte, I think they're basically going woke. I think Saddleback is basically going woke. The new pastor of Saddleback who replaced Rick Warren, put some stuff online recently, so there were some comments put online. I was shocked.

I was absolutely shocked. And so I think a lot of these evangelical churches are leaning woke or they're being silent in the face of evil. They're trying to be hip, trying to go with the crowd, trying to go with the culture. That's not God's calling on the church. It's why I wrote my book letter to the American church. So I think that's the real issue here. that's the deeper issue and they're using the women's ordainment thing to kind of as an excuse but the reality is that they kind of want to do their own thing and I'm not

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under the Guano Act of 1854. The Guano Act... This is not a joke, yes, please. The Guano Act had provided that if American Sea Captains Find Islands with Guano, which was very valuable and used for farming, if they can find that kind of island and no other nation has claimed it,

Americans can take possession of it. Okay, guano is the excrement of... Yes. Yes, and there's a guano act that was passed in 1854. And because of the Guano Act of 1854, Seward sees that there are these little three islands that are exactly halfway between the United States and Japan. And he signs the paper to take those for the United States. for the United States. It's the Midway Atoll.

Okay, most people, I'm guessing aren't going to get this. I certainly didn't get this until it was put together for me. Have I mentioned that there are two books that you have to read? But I'm not kidding. It's almost unbelievable stuff. The Midway

atoll, these are nothing islands in the middle of nowhere. A total of two and a half square miles. Okay. So William Seward somehow because of the Guano Act of 1854 decides to acquire these. Now why? And because he knew somehow, mystically, magically, maybe he didn't.

But let's say he knew that Admiral Yamamoto would say that if he is pushed by Tojo and the emperor to actually do the attack on Pearl Harbor, he said that for six months I will run wild. but after that, a miracle will destroy us. And six months after Pearl Harbor, do the math. Battle of Midway. And the Battle of Midway, in five minutes, my chapter on Midway, and again, everyone involved with us, including Chester Nimitz, who was the Admiral and Commander, who was an atheist.

He was not a religious person, said, this is the hand of God. There's no other way to explain it. that in five minutes they sank four Japanese aircraft carriers. And again, and this was at a time after our Navy had been largely just pulverized at Pearl Harbor. And it was exactly six months, as Yamamoto said. And if the United States did not own Midway Island, which was with an American base on the island, the American planes at the island, the Battle of Midway would not have happened. And who knows?

But who would dream? that the Guano Act of 1854 would be dispositive in World War II 90 years later. That's crazy, except it's true. And it is. And by the way, again, a lot of this stuff sounds like tall tales. But the way that I think anyone can convince themselves, imagine themselves, imagine if it hadn't happened. Vladimir Putin does.

He wrote in, what is it, 2017, because that was the 150th anniversary of Russia giving up Russian America. That if only this individual, who he holds in great contempt, Frederick William Seward, had not injured his jaw because he fell out of the carriage

and then the assailant had broken his gun, beating his son nearly to death. And it fits together. And again, it illustrates the wisdom of Otto von Bismarck summer. There's a special protection, special providence for the United States of America. And by the way, it becomes more recent. Now, I didn't write about this in any detail. detail, I do mention it. President Reagan used to be known as our oldest president, but President Reagan takes a bullet that is, what was it, a quarter of an inch away from the lining of his heart?

It was a very close-run thing. And by the way, with six weeks separation between the near assassination of the other great victor of the Cold War, His Holiness Pope John Paul II. What are the odds? These two old men get bullets shot into the center of their body. They should have both died. And if they had both died, then the evil empire is still in his full flowering of evil. without the great victory that I think that America should be proud of in bringing the end of the Cold War. I've been saying recently, when people question whether we can survive the current madness on so many fronts,

you know, in the natural, the answer would be no. But in the natural, the answer to the emergence of the United States and the survival and thriving of the United States also ought never to have happened. And both books lay it out. You could just start with, when you write about the Battle of Long Island, the Battle of Brooklyn. Washington should not have prevailed.

No, he ought never to. He should have been captured and hanged, according to the logic of history. They had just lost the most bloody battle of the revolution. And it was. In the eight years of the revolutionary conflict, 1775 to 1783. The most costly battle was the battle of Brooklyn. Three American generals were captured.

Washington's troop was surrounded and literally with no escape because the British Navy, and there was no American Navy at the time, the British Navy was occupying the river between Manhattan and Brooklyn. I just know. about this because I've written about this. And it is unbelievable. I mean, when we're talking about, yeah, the British Navy was massed there. It was the greatest assembly of military craft, sea craft, in the history of the world. Up to that time, absolutely right. Sitting next to Staten Island, waiting to crush, to crush the continental army. And to capture the, and to capture the

George Washington and the Condonal Army right after they had committed treason by authorizing the Declaration of Independence because we're talking about this summer August of 1776. Now, how many people here are New Yorkers at any time? Do we have some New Yorkers?

Okay, people who know New York know that in August, it very rarely has thick fog so thick that you can't see. That fog was considered by the past at the time by the non-believing military people to be an act of God, because it allowed George Washington to use John Glover and his Marblehead Regiment,

which was a bunch of fishermen, and to row the army, including the general and chief, they didn't lose a single person. They escaped, and the British officers believed it was the hand of the Almighty. Well, just to, you know, in case anybody's not, you know, been boning up on the Battle of Brooklyn recently, it really is. The more you learn, the more fascinating it is. But the idea that if you're familiar with the geography of New York, that, you know, Queens, Brooklyn, the entire American Continental Army is on that side. They've just suffered this horrible battle. And I don't remember the details, but it's a crazy idea that Washington has that if we can take the remainder of the army and sneak it across the East River.

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recently, it really is. The more you learn, the more fascinating it is. But the idea that if you're familiar with the geography of New York, that, you know, Queens, Brooklyn, the entire American Continental Army is on that side. They've just suffered this horrible battle. And I don't remember the details, but it's a crazy idea that Washington has that if we can take the remainder of the army and sneak it across the East River, and by the way, the East River is not a river. It's an estuary, but it's called the East River. But that idea alone, to try to pull that off, it's crazy.

and he does it under cover of night and then as the sun is rising which is what you've just said an absolutely preposterous opaque fog descends so that the remainder which is thousands of men

are able to cross to safety enabling Washington to fight another day, to live to fight another day. So instead of being, liberty being strangled in its cradle, we get several more years of Washington fighting and ultimately winning. And I always think that's the ultimate example, really,

of how it ought not to have happened. The United States ought not to have emerged. And the United States would not have emerged without George Washington surviving. Hayden. And that again, there are multiple books written about this because it is so bizarre. Washington seemed to be indestructible. His first taste of real battle was at the first major battle of the French and Indian War where he was a militia colonel from Virginia. He was 23 years old. and he of the 70 British officers, mounted officers, he was the only one who wasn't either wounded or killed.

And they shot his hat off, they found bullets through his hat. They shot two, count them two horses out from under him. Not at the same time. No, but... To be clear. But there was a pastor who, after Washington returned, went through this whole story. Remember, he's 23 years old. He's nobody, really.

But a pastor named Bertrand spoke, who later became president of Princeton. But he spoke in church, and he said, tried to comfort people about the losses for the battle. He said, but I want to commend that heroic youth, Colonel Washington. for surely the good Lord has singled him out for leadership of our country. You know, and again, this is written down. And right, right, it's when there was maybe a hope, a distant hope, that there would be a country. Well, you write about that beautifully.

I guess, you know, the larger question, Michael, is, this happens to me over and over. I discover something, I discover this book and the sequel and the stories. And I'm absolutely fascinated, thrilled, amazed, astonished, but that quickly turns to anger. Why haven't I heard this before? This is not some abstruse topic. This is American history, and it is not less than amazing.

that everyone doesn't know these stories. I think that's absolutely right. And it's why I believe that the educational issues that you talk about, that we all talk about, needing to teach Americans about feeling gratitude rather than guilt is such a tremendous priority for our children. Because partially, they'll be better and happier people. Grateful people are happier people.

gratitude is it's one of the reasons I'm proud to say I pray every morning because basically we have so much to be grateful for and let me say one thing that I am grateful for that I want to announce here we this is the first public announcement right here now

there will be a movie based on the America miracle two of the principal producers are here with us tonight Ralph and Sims. And many potential investors. But no, the film will be available in in 2020

and it takes the first chunk of the American miracle and I hope with enough success so that we can continue the rest of the stories and again we're working with people at heroic pictures and pattern of evidence. People probably have seen some of the patterns of evidence films. And my hope for the film

is that the people who see it can feel as excited and inspired and literally touched, sometimes electrified as I felt in finding this material. of attending Yale University. And I have to say, I don't know what it was like when you were there, but when I arrived there as an innocent, patriotic son of immigrants, I was introduced for the first time in my life to the idea that America was a force for evil, that patriotism was for suckers and rubs.

naive people who live in flyover country and that the sophisticated view of course was that there's nothing glorious about America and that idea of course it's unfortunately no longer

just among some cultural elites at places like the humanities departments at Yale but it has worked its way into the culture you mentioned the No, it's poison in the national bloodstream. It is. It is. And the point is that I think it's very important that people understand it, is that if you don't learn the truth that America is exceptional and blessed,

then you will embrace the falsehood that America is exceptional and cursed. and again people take some satisfaction in listing our national shortcomings and the point is it's the same sort of thing that I think that people find raising children is if you want your children to be happy and successful and positive and things to work out for them then obviously having

those children emphasize the positive, not the negative. Nothing worse than a complaint. I shouldn't say nothing worse. Complaining children can be and of course all children do,

but they don't complain based upon, oh, mommy and daddy and grandpa and grandma and everybody, they're so guilty. They basically had anything they had because they took it away from other people. and they didn't work hard for it.

Again, there is so much in our history that is glorious. And if I can just borrow for a moment, this is the most successful book of history ever written was by George Bankroft, who was a Republican politician, and he did a 10-volume history of the United States, which was ubiquitous, was published in 1876. and what he said in the beginning and the very introduction to this 10 volumes

it is the object of the present work to explain the steps by which a favoring providence calling our institutions into being has conducted the country to its present happiness and glory. When you were learning history

like that, by the way I had and I do want to mention it, I had three or four history professors at Yale who were great American patriots and poets. Edmund Morgan, a colonial historian, C. Van Woodward, historian of the American South. John Morton Blum, who was an American of the historian of the turn of the century, the progressive era. these guys were like old-fashioned guys. You know, the old time that had that idea of teaching history, that the reason that it's so infectious

to play those little board games with all the different presidents and basically to learn the details of American history on the Liberty Bell, the inscription on the Liberty Bell, which is from the Book of Leviticus, proclaim liberty throughout the land and to all the inhabitants thereof. All of this stuff is magical and all of the major leaders of our country,

including people who weren't conservative, like Franklin Roosevelt, in some ways he was conservative. But he understood and spoke meaningfully about America's destiny and what a miracle this country was. a miracle it was, by the way, that he survived as needed to survive. And that's another story, is that we almost had Henry Wallace as president of the United States, which would have been a... This is another thing. When I read that in the sequel to this book, it is, again, I'm repeating myself,

almost unbelievable. Henry Wallace, when you read who he was and what he believed, the idea that all logic would say that he would have become the President of the United States, and where in the world would we have been? Correct, because he was a Stalinist. Not that there's anything wrong with that. You want to be very, very clear. Any red communists here, we love you, and we want you to come back. But by the way, in fairness, and this is something, honestly, I didn't know. I did not know.

At the end of his life, Henry Wallace, who had been vice president, And then Roosevelt threw him off the ticket and replaced him with Harry Truman. And that was an amazing thing. What I didn't know until researching this book as one of the last things he wrote before he died was why I was wrong. Henry Wallace. Henry Wallace. When I read that, my heart leapt because I thought, you never hear that kind of. of a story, a guy who was outrageously, wickedly wrong, who at the end of his life effectively

repented. And talks about how he was brainwashed literally by Russians when they gave him tours, and they hid the prison camps. And in any event, it's extraordinary how these things turned. And the conspiracy, and it was a conspiracy of the, and they all happened to be Catholic believers, to replace Henry Wallace with Truman, who they knew that Truman was someone, and this is 1945 we're talking about, who was right about Stalin and about what the Soviet state was.

Unfortunately, we're out of time, but I want to say on behalf of Socrates in the city, Michael Medved, we are just hugely grateful to you, not just for appearing here with us and telling us these stories, but for writing what are two genuinely great books. We cannot survive as a nation, as a free people, unless we know this history and celebrate it. And for your part in that, Michael Medved,

I say thank you. Thank you. This is one of the most important things we talk about on this program. We don't talk about it enough. But the money that you have in pension funds, 401Ks, whatever it is, is effectively being controlled by people who are working against you and your values. A lot of us have money in funds that invest in, oh, Target, Amazon, on, you name it, all kinds of companies that are working dramatically against everything you believe in.

So it's time that we wake up. We understand the financial power that we have and pull our money out of these kinds of places, which is why I have as my guest, the founder and CEO of Inspire on the program, Robert Netsley. Robert, we've talked about this before, but the power that we have financially is huge. But the reason things have gone to hell in a handbasket is because most of us don't have a clue that we have this power. We kind of act like it's a separate thing. And I go and I vote every two years or something. But every single day, tons of our money is being used against us because of our investments.

So before I let you talk, I want to tell people to go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric, where you can fix this. You can find out what's happening with your money. Inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Robert Nessly, when did you wake up to this and say, I want to solve this? Because this is as big as it gets. It was about 12 years ago when I was working at Wells Fargo Investment Services. and I just got, you know, kicked in the rear end by discovery that I, here I am president to our local pro-life pregnancy center and I own three stocks of companies manufacturing abortion drugs. And the Holy Spirit just convicted me on this issue that here I am, you know, fighting to save the lives of these precious unborn.

And I'm making money every time somebody has an abortion. And then you go down the laundry list of all these other issues, LGBT activism and human trafficking, you know, et cetera, et cetera, launched us into what we're doing now. And by God's grace, millions upon millions of Christians and other conservatives with similar values are waking up to the fact. Uncomfortable fact that in your investment account, you own and are profiting from things that would make your stomach churn. And not only that, but because of the fund companies that you have your money placed in, those fund companies get to vote for the issues of these companies promote things like we're seeing in the news with Target and others. that's your money at work, but it's at work against you. But it doesn't have to be that way. So that free report and that there's a way to fix it.

It's very easy. Just got to be aware and take some simple steps. And we're putting some free work and reports out for listeners here, InspiredVisers.com slash Eric, like you mentioned. So people are informed and aware. We can't just sit here and do nothing because that's how we got here in the first place. We've all got to become activists. We've all got to.

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