The Eric Metaxas Show - Mickey Robinson

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

Mickey Robinson shares his incredible life story featuring a horrific plane crash, several miraculous healings, a visit to heaven, visions of the future, and other details found in his two books, "Falling Into Heaven" and "Supernatural Courage."

Welcome to the Eric Metaxus show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the Eric Metaxe show. I'll be playing the role of Eric Mataxis, the host, until further notice. But the good news is my guest will be playing himself. His name is Mickey Robinson. Mickey, I don't know where to begin. So let me just say, hello.

Welcome to the program. So good to be here. Good to see you again. It's great to see you. And your story is one of the most amazing. stories I've heard. So I'm going to force you to tell it again because I know that there are many people that are tuned in that they don't know your story. And when I heard your story, I just thought this is one of those stories. So let me say you have a new book out called Supernatural Courage,

activating spiritual bravery to win today's battle, Mickey Robinson. But your first book, and the way I got to know you, is called Falling Into Heaven, a Skydivers gripping account of heaven, healings, and miracles. Great title falling into heaven. Let's start there because you were kind of a different person when you were a teenager, wouldn't you say? Yeah, I was, you know, it was hot stuff, I thought. You were hot stuff. Where did you grow up? I grew up in a suburb around Cleveland, Ohio. I went to eight years of a pro-kill school and to high school, and this was, you know, the mid-60s. And, you know, the American dream for a kid like me

seemed to be accessible for anybody at any kind of talent or ability. And as I progressed more, I began to react to the media culture, whatever, you know, be somebody, do that. I was really good at sports. I could be in the in crowd, but we grew up in a, I went to high school and a small school, and it was really good.

I was good at all kinds of sports. I played football since I was a little kid. I was a snow skier. I was on a swim team. I did gymnastics on my own. I just evidently had a talent. So you were tremendously gifted. And did you say that you went into finance?

I'm trying to remember. Yeah, at my 18th birthday, I started working a stock record firm having no experience at all. I just kind of looked like I talked my way into it. And then they promoted me. And I was buying and selling other people's stocks millions of dollars a day. And so it was feeling pretty good. And my ego was blowing up like the good year blimp. And I mean, I felt it seemed to match what I like to.

do. But, you know, there's never enough in this life to stimulate you if you're looking for stimulation. And so I liked a lot of things. I was always fascinated with aviation. I started flying airplanes, and I found out it's really cool to jump out of the way. Wait, wait. How old were you when you started flying airplanes? Probably it was about 18. And how did that happen? It was a little ad. You could do a practice ride for $5 at a little airport, you know, a little commercial airport in the area. And I did that. And then I found out about skydiving. And I became totally into it. After one jump, I became pretty much a skydiving crackhead. And after 20 jumps, which is a very short period of time, I was asked to be on a professional demonstration team,

which as far as I know, that never happened before. After 20 jumps. Okay. So you were really into this. Now, I just have to, I always, I remember the first time I interviewed you, I remember you get the picture of like, you were a hot shot. You're super talented. everything's going great. You don't know what to do. And I've met people like this over the years, and they always scare me a little bit because you can see it's not going to end well, not that they're going to get into a horrible accident like you did, but you just feel like they're insatiable. They just want energy and excitement and, you know, and it's all coming to them and every. And so for you, it was skydiving.

Here you are 19 years old. And suddenly, I mean, even in that, you rock it up in finance. You rocket up in skydiving. They ask you after 20 jumps to be on a, I mean, that's like amazing. Well, the thing about it is, first of all, I might have looked good and I might have felt good, but I was missing the most important thing. Didn't know what that was. And when you're on a search for anything, when you get somewhere, you think you got it,

but there's always more. And for me, free fall is, it's really where it's at. It's that when you jump out of the plane and you're in free fall and before you open your parachute, you feel like you're flying. and it really is. Okay, so that's what was the most exhilarating part. Oh, yeah. Because drifting down on a parachute's not that exciting.

It's like, well, it is. It was beautiful. The first time, too, it's so quiet and beautiful, but then you've got to do it again and again and again. You know, so it's like, it's like, you know, I don't want to say it's like drugs because it's. But of course it's like drugs. Well, I was obsessive, so it began to,

everything was about skydiving for that period of time. Okay. But it was like literally, I was falling into freedom. I didn't, you know, the Vietnam War was going on. I didn't think about the draft. I was in love, going to get married. That was okay, but it wasn't as important as this living for the moment. Literally that moment was 30 to 60 seconds in free fall, open your parachute, have a nice landing, and do it again.

So you were going to get married. You were 19. I'm going to get married maybe in another year. So my girlfriend was in college in Southern Ohio, and we did all the right stuff. It seemed like. But suddenly, the life that I knew ended in a moment. We were going up on five skydivers in the plane. three professionals and two students to put out, and the pilot, Piper Cherokee 6.

Were you at this point considered professional? Yeah. So how many jumps in were you at this point? Not that many, you know, a hundred some, you know? Okay, that's a lot of jumps, but okay. But the thing was for me to get it out of an airplane was as much as for me getting out of that cab today. It didn't take any kind of, I was never afraid to jump. And it wasn't because I was adrenaline junkie.

I wasn't afraid so there wasn't adrenaline. It was the pleasure, living for the pleasure of being in front of. free fall. People can have that. I said living for the moment, that could be 30-year career, that could be a certain relationship, that could be a goal, like achieving something monetarily. This was momentarily rushes of pleasure hiding what was really missing. So what happened when you had this horrifying accident? We took off, I don't know how, you know, maybe 100 feet in the air going, you know, on takeoff fast, and then all of a sudden we lost the engine. The pilot hit me. We took five and six seats out. He says, oh, my God, we're going down.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're only 100 feet up. Right after takeoff. So you just took the plane off. You said there's five of you in the plane. And at 100 feet up, you lose the engine. And there's nothing you can do because you lose all the lift, too. So you basically fall like a car would from that height going like that.

In other words, you're not, yeah. In other words, if you're at a thousand feet, you're actually, the plane is flying like a plane. At 100 feet, you're like a rock. Yeah, aerodynamic stall. and you just dropped straight down. And I'm sure the view at the windshield was like we're all dead. And we hit a tree. The wing on this side of the plane where I was sitting hit a tree and cartwheel a couple of times.

And, of course, it tore the fuselage open. And when we wedged into the ground, of course, my face stopped my body going 100 miles an hour against the instrument panel. Your face stopped your body. No seatbelt, yeah. Going 100 miles an hour. It's a pretty bad head injury, obviously. And then shock and confusion as the skydive was, even my partner was getting out of the plane of the baggage door that we opened. I mean, it is a little miraculous that anybody survived.

Yeah. Did you all survive? The pilot was burned alive. So I was stuck. Something had a hole to me. I was trying to escape through this hole that was in the side of the plane. I was pulling with my hand and something had a hold to me. And I was soaked with fuel and on fire from head to toe.

You were soaked with fuel and on fire from head to toe. Yeah, the fuels held in rubber bladders on either side of the wing. And we emptied the left wing so we'd be a little lighter. So this one was full of fuel. It just got in there and somehow it exploded when my partner got out. He heard screaming, and he ran and grabbed me, and I was just soaked with fuel and burning alive. Then what happened? It rolled me on the ground to get the fire out, and I said, Mick, get out of the way.

I took a couple of steps. I fell over backwards, and I hit hit the ground. It was real fuzzy. I don't remember the actual fire. Do you remember pain? Not then, no. No, it was, I don't know why. I just don't.

It's amnesia, you know, for a reason. And I remember my head hit the ground. and I put my head, my back of my head, and I looked in the back of my head was stuck to the palm of my left hand. And then I remember being in the ambulance, and for the first time in my life, a young hot shot who didn't know God,

I called out to a God I didn't know, and to a Lord that I never served. Please help me. I'm sorry, please help me. It's all I didn't know how to pray. I grew up in church. But you said, I'm sorry. That's interesting that you would feel that need to say that.

Again, it was short and desperate. Again, I was in church since I was an infant, but I didn't know anybody. It was really a Christian. I never really heard the gospel that I know of. And if I did, I don't know, people say, what if? And I said, I probably wouldn't have listened.

But I cried out to God and they took me. I think the doctors thought I probably wouldn't make it through the night. I might die of shock from the massive burns, head trauma, lacerations. And I remember they took me in for surgery. I don't remember anything. And the next day, all these people came in to see me in intensive care, basically to say goodbye.

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Okay, so you should have died. You didn't die. Well, I developed multiple complications. They did all they could. A massive infection. I went from 170-some pounds, solid muscle, down to 9. 22 pounds. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

This sounds like it took a little while here. It was a couple of weeks. No, you're in a hospital. With the kind of burns, you have just the evaporation process. You alone will burn six or seven thousand calories for every liter of water. So I was like 40,000 calories a day. A doctor told me. From the burns?

From the evaporation process. I've never heard this. I didn't hear it at that time either. So you went from being an athlete, a 19-year-old athlete to 90-something pounds. Infection all over my body, inside my body. I was bleeding sometimes 10 pints of blood a day, emptied the blood bank. The blood had microorganisms leaving it. They tried everything to prevent all this stuff.

They called in a specialist from Case Western Reserve, a famous hospital in the area. And I read his summary, all these paragraphs, and the end of it just says there's simply nothing I can offer with this young man. At that point, basically, they would think I was medically and physically hopeless. What were those weeks like? This is a few weeks in the hospital. It sounds hellish. Sometimes I was in a coma. Sometimes I was fuzzy and sometimes I was hyper awake.

The pain is unhelpable with drugs. The pain is so amazing. How can that be? I mean, that's just... It's just, dark-ass medical people. For some reason, it's really bad pain. And this is in the 60s. 1968.

One of the worst years in American history. 1968. Yeah. How did you avoid the draft? I mean, what was that? I got drafted while I was in intensive care. Is that right? Yeah, and I didn't show up, actually.

But, you know, that year, it was one of the most horrible years. We had Jim Lovell, the Apollo 13 astronaut, we'll talk about how horrible it was. And he said, you know, we had Martin Luther King. A couple months later, we had RFK, we had riots, we had protests, we had all of this stuff. And then I got an accident. But then the very end of the year, Apollo 8 went around the moon. So here I, so just to catch up a little bit. So they basically were going to give up.

And I had this experience I had never heard of before. My body was shaking and I was burning up with a fever and freezing cold because they had this thing to try and cool me off. How many weeks into the suffering? Just a couple of weeks in. So the few weeks in. I had holes in my body where my bones were sticking out. Wait a minute. Bed sore holes.

Mickey. Yeah. What? You can look at the pictures. But, you know, and here's the thing. I didn't know how sick I was as things were going on, you know, until, and as when it got to, to be the worst. And I had this experience, it's in the middle somewhere. When I had this experience of my spirit just came out of my body. Instantly, I'm in this spiritual realm. Your spirit came out of

your body. It just came out of my body. I never heard of this before. Now physically, what was going on at this point? Were you dying? You were dying? Yes. So would you say that you died? Yes. You died. You're 19 years old. Two weeks into like horrible burns, infections, and you die? And what did you experience? My spirit came out of my body and instantly I was thrust into a spiritual dimension. And there's no questioning. You just know that you know there's not the element of logic and reasoning because you're in a different dimension. And the colors of everything are more colorful.

Everything is razor sharp. The emotions are intense. And the biggest shock that I had was a comprehension of eternity. Everything is time and space here, even when you get spiritual and all that. As long as you're attached, you're aware of time. There you're aware of forever, ever, ever, ever. And I was gliding on like a path upwards like this, and no control of what was going on.

And there was a white opening in a distance. I could feel like a piece, and I'm going towards it, and then something was closing, or I could feel a pressure like on my right side. And I looked, and it was blacker than black. Instantly, I had a comprehension, a multiple revelation kind of comprehension. It was eternal. It was an abyss with no bottom. It's like I would pick you up and put you in a swimming pool of black ink.

You'd be super conscious and you know that forever you would never feel anything good. You would never know anything. You'd never see anybody. Be totally remiss from any life experience. You'd be cut off from the source of all life. This is a place that's called the outer darkness. And it was eclipsing this white, I call it a portal. I mean, it was whiter than snow, bright, but you could look right at it.

And I began to craft the same clumsy little prayer. Please help. I'm sorry. give me another chance. I want to be alive. I'd said it in the ambulance. I sat on the operating table. I said it when pain medicine didn't work now.

I'm on the very precipice, the edge of eternity. And I cried that out when I said, I want to be alive. I was thrust through that portal. I was standing in the presence of Almighty God in what is called the third heaven. Instantly I knew I was never going to die forever. Instantly. Now, there's three remarkable things.

All of it is remarkable. There's three remarkable things I want to note. One of them I already said. eternity is real. It's more real than time and space. The second thing, and this is really hard for people maybe to get, hard for me to get, because I'm not there. My consciousness was as if I had never done anything wrong, had never experienced anything bad. How could a person, a novitiate, not even, not even, the only comparison is the good thief on the cross, being that close.

How could that happen, but the blood of Jesus apparently washes white as snow? And God only forgives our sin. He forgets it. And in this heavenly realm, there'll be no remorse. See, that's, you know, it's impossible. Let's be honest. It's impossible for us to comprehend. And so we're looking through a glass darkly, even as I hear you tell this story,

you know, trying to comprehend something that's not comprehensible. It's like a person who sees in black and white and he tried to describe the color orange. You can't. And yet you have some. Oh, no, I understand intellectually. but I'm saying the idea that you felt this, that you apprehended this, without even really having the theology, you just knew in your being. It's experience.

And the third thing that is the most dramatic is the undiluted, perfect love of God. Perfect love. It's otherworldly. And now, okay, the things I saw there, I didn't see any, you know, beings. I didn't see any fat babies with diapers playing guitars and St. Peter checking IDs. but everything that was made was like translucent glass, but it had colors in it, and you could see through it. Now, what do you mean when you say you go through this portal

and you're in God's presence and you feel... I didn't see God, but it's just presence for the left, and there was this substance that was going through me between my waist and where my knees would be. It was like little golden speckles vibrating. It's the river of life. Everything that river touches is completely alive and completely terrified. So you felt yourself,

standing up to your waist in the river of life. It was like below my waist would be in my knees. It was going through me. And I was just vibrating in that dimension. But the perfect love of God is unbelievable. So these things I was seeing and all this stuff is alive and all of it worships God. That's the only way I can say it. The only kind of words I can put it in.

But isn't that interesting because our concept of... It takes no cognitive initial. It's automatic. You just know. You just respond to this love with love. And with this incredible vibration of holy intention. I mean, it's no guilt, no weirdness. Then I saw an open vision that eclipsed in the future

about six and a quarter years that I now calculate. I saw the whole thing. I saw my wife five years before we ever met. Saw the first house we were going to have in this little college town in Ohio. I had my arm on a rusty gate. And I'm looking out, this beautiful pastoral thing. I turned my head and I see this pretty blonde person walking towards me. My wife Barbara, five years before we met and six years before we had that property.

I saw some other things in the earth that were not so good things, but I was viewing them. And some of the things that were personal, I was drawn into the matrix of this vision. And the very last thing I saw, I saw a group of people on this little mountaintop. It looked like a real lush tropical place. And I could hear this person talking, and I was zoomed in like this. It was me. And I was saying, this is paradise. And then I came back in the presence of God and the Lord revealed to me

I knew that there is no paradise on earth. And so this was a place that Barbara and I almost were going to move to in the Caribbean. And when that happened six years later, I said no. You knew because of the vision that this was not... Re-impacted it. Yeah, when the time came for that to actually occur. Right. It came to me.

So you saw the future in this moment. Of course, when you're in eternity, people need to understand. Eternity is not a long time. Eternity is outside of time, which is another thing. So you're able to see the past, the future, the, it's, you know. But how, when you said you looked down and you saw some things on earth that were not so good, can you share that what that was? I saw, I saw that like the Woodstock type of stuff.

I saw music. I saw troubled people. I saw people trying to search. And some of it was more of an observer. And some of it I was drawn into the matrix because I was a participant in some of those things. Now, how long did this again? experience seemed to last while you're there? It's timeless. I mean, you can't say. You could see a million years. It doesn't matter. I calculate now because of the time that's elapsed. Right. It was about

six and a quarter years, you know. Yeah. And then I was in the presence of God and the Lord, he spoke not like in this language, but the spirit, the knowledge came into me. I was going back to the earth and I promised you I did not want to come here. I didn't want to come here. Everybody says that, right? That when you're there, you don't want to go back. Well, I can't believe anybody would make a choice. Some people say they make a choice. Now, I will say this. I think there's, and again, I have to fact check myself, there's something like 250,000 people that have had a near-death experience in the States.

Yeah. Not all of them experience. It will change your life. I don't care who you are. It will change your life. Some people have gone into what I saw, with his darkness on it. That was the second heaven. I now calculate that to be.

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This is a story. Falling into heaven is the title of the book, A Skydivers Gripping Account of Heaven, Healing, and Miracles. So you have just told us this experience of going, as you put it, through the second heaven to, once you get through that hole into the white, you're in the third heaven, which is your, in the presence of God. You experience these things.

And then somehow God tells you you're going back. Yeah. The knowledge just comes as a higher form of communication. Yeah. And there is no logic. There's no excuse making. You don't try and we, you know, you just know that you know. And so the same way I left, I went through from the third heaven. I don't remember

seeing much in the second heaven. But as I came through the earth's atmosphere, I could feel my spiritual body, go through the roof of the hospital and my spirit sink into my flesh. It would be like I describe it as you can imagine if you were wind and you were blowing through like a bushy tree. You could feel that much.

And then the room materialized. I'm laying on my back. I could see out of this eye. I was blind in this eye. And it was like materializing like they do on Star Trek when they beam back up. I could hear out of these ears. And out of my mouth,

I'm worshiping God in this language I never heard. I never heard of this stuff. I'm laying there. And all of a sudden I have the ability to perceive exactly what's going. There was five or six nurses looking at me. I could discern exactly. These people were terrified.

They were scared to death at what they were watching. And I felt bad that they felt bad because now I'm a different person. And there's nothing that has changed in me physically. I'm still as deadly, hopeless. I'm still, there's no hope. I've lost everything. But I was full of a love that's unbelievable.

And the love that I saw, it wasn't the memory of it, isn't the tingling of it. It's the presence of God, God himself, and that river that I was standing in was now inside me. None of this is up here. It's all in here. And I love everything. And these people, and they're still waiting for me to die. That day, the next day after that, it was still critical. I had all these complications. They weren't trying to save my life. They were really waiting for the mercy of death to take me. But there started to be a trickle of healing now. Some of the things that were wrong with me, I was blinding the side, but below my knees, both legs, both legs, were paralyzed. I'd lost all that weight. I had infection. After I survived, after a couple of months

in intensive care, it looked like I was going to maybe live. I was never going to walk again. Still, I was still close to death. I want to go back to what you described, returning from the third heaven through the second heaven. The first heaven is what? Outer space? It says in the beginning, God created the heavens in the earth. Heavens are plural. I think it's the sky. I actually think it's all the physical universe. That's my opinion. It certainly is referred to as with heaven.

But what's interesting to me is we always talk about heaven as being outside of the physical universe, but clearly God uses the imagery of ascending. Jesus ascends. There's something interesting. In other words, there's a reason people say heaven is up there.

Even though on some level it's not up there, it's everywhere. The kingdom of heaven is within you. In other words, it's right near. us, but it's in another dimension. But God always seems to use altitude to convey that. So the idea that you're coming into the Earth's atmosphere and then down, down through the roof of the hospital. You don't come through the floor. You don't come to the wall. You come through the roof.

Yeah. I mean, I guess I just always want to know why. It's so fascinating to me. The idea that you're coming down into the hospital. We don't know. Let me say another thing is I never heard of this stuff ever. But the first spiritual consciousness that I can remember, it was maybe it was before this happened, but in the hospital. And my sister's father-in-law was a really big surgeon. He just came back from doing volunteer work in Vietnam, taking care of civilians all day, 12 hours a day. So he came to, and we were friends, apart from the relationship with my sister. And he examined me and checked me out. And he told him I was going to die. He told my family. But he was walking out and he was funny. He had a little hat on like the little hat people were. And I was,

going along with him and wondering why he wasn't even looking at me talking to me and he stepped on the little rubber thing that opens the door automatic door and the door went right through me so my spirit left my body you mean your spirit left your body and you happen to be standing behind him in your spirit my was drifting along with him and they didn't know it and as soon as that happened that was that was recalled back in another thing that happened that was I visited my girlfriend's front yard well I went to where I worked and wait wait wait you mean you're in the hospital back in that. Yes. You're at death store. Before I had this heavenly encounter. Before you have the heavenly encounter, you had spiritual experiences before that. I think I was so close to death. My spirit was in and out of my body sometimes.

And I went to somewhere familiar, like I went to where I worked. And everything was happening. And when I thought about it, it would recoil back. The moment you realized, wait a minute, what am I doing here? No, sure you think of anything unusual. Like, I was back. I was the front yard of my girlfriends. And everybody was in these card tables and they were all sad.

I'm wondering what's the problem. So I thought that we had planned their 25th wedding anniversary, my girlfriend. So they actually had it, but nobody was happy. Because they knew you were dying. Yeah. Okay. I don't even talk about that usually, but I thought, but you're touching on these things. I love this.

I love this stuff. I want to explore this. People are dying to know what is it like to die. What is it like to experience these things? What is the nature of this reality we pretend is not reality? Especially in Western culture. Well, of course. Now, I'll just say this.

Concerning, there's only two possibilities. There is an afterlife or an eternal endless state of nothingness. That's all there is. Yeah. The latter part usually leads to agnosticism or atheism. There's no, you know, you might as well. And Paul says, if there's no resurrection, you might as well party. So I am convinced.

But in the Greek, he doesn't say party. Yeah, you know, he does. Yeah. there is an afterlife, but where? It's like space, Captain Kirk is not the final frontier. Eternity is the final frontier. And everybody doesn't get there whether you believe it or not, whether you're in a coma or whether you're...

Oh, you're going there. You don't need to believe in it because you're going there anyway, whether you believe it or not. We're going to go to a break talking to Mickey Robinson, Mickey with an E, M-C-K-E-Y, falling into heaven is the book we're discussing. One stories away. What a story, Mickey Robinson.

Let's continue. You just were talking about eternity. You've experienced it. So many people, they don't know what to make of this. Like they don't, they hear you, but it's like blah, blah, blah. They can't really believe like this is reality. It's like something you experience, but they don't think of it objectively. Well, there's different ways to relate.

Actually, most people, not only interested, do believe in it. Even non-believers believe in it. And it's, it must us do something to inspirationally, inspire hope or at least inquiry. A person is very rarely to people like turn off. Now, I had other problems, obviously, they're still, you know, waiting for me to die. But when I started surviving, I said, I'm never going to walk again. I was blind for five and a half years in this eye. I had a miraculous healing of my eye. You're not blind in that eye now. No. Because it looks different. It is different. But there's a longer explanation. I had both legs were nerve damage from

all the nerves in front of anterior tibialis and the muscles. I had bilateral foot drop. I said never was going to walk again. I had a leg brace, you know, and it may feel. 15th, I would speak to my legs when I couldn't go to therapy, because I was having surgical procedures twice a week in a rehab hospital. Wait, wait, wait, surgical procedures twice a week? After they got out of that first hospital, they sent me to a rehab hospital on the way on the east side of Cleveland, and it was for real basket cases, and it had major therapy and stuff.

I had everything wrong with me. I had eye problems. I had internal problems. I didn't need any food for almost nine or ten months. My esophagus got damaged in a coma, and they thought I was. I had lost the will to live, but it got shrunk down to a stricter about four or five inches long where food could not even go through. So I had a rubber tube coming out of my stomach.

Let me, but let me just say, so after you have this experience, and you're what, two weeks in when you have this experience? I'm estimating that, yeah. Okay, so two and change, whatever. You have this experience. What happens from there onward? You said you're a different person? I loved everything. I'm another person.

I mean, it's, I was repentant, I guess. But I don't think I was born again and filled with the spirit like I was when I came back. Everything, I loved everybody and everything. I remember just things that were so different. Somebody had a little TV guide magazine and they had the Supremes on the cover and I said, well, she's pretty. You know, this is months later when I'm a little better. I'm still really sick. They said, well, yeah, for a black person, it just seemed odd to me.

It wasn't judgmental. It just seemed, why would you think that? You know, I just saw everything was beautiful. I loved everybody and everything. I saw a nurse talking, a doctor talking to nurse and he was being intense for there because she didn't do something right. I felt bad for both of them. Felt bad for her. So you're, yeah.

Now wait. But I felt bad for him because he was that way. When you are experiencing this at the worst of it, were you able to talk? Yes. So you were able to talk. But your face, I mean, I can still see today, you have scarring. Your face was really damaged. Oh, yeah.

At first it looked like, this side looked like a hot dog that was. in a fire. It was all black and they had to cut all of that off. They had to cut my ear off, you know, cartilage, no pain medicine when they did all of that. And it was after, you know, you know, months and months later, I couldn't move my face this far. It was because the strictures, because the scarring was so massive. And of course, I lost all that weight and muscle tissue. And, you know, I was pretty bad. So when you come back from this visit to heaven and you describe coming into your body, you said, say it again like you felt like you felt like, you like wind going through a tree.

If we were made out of like wind and you would go through something bushy, you know, a little more material than, I could just feel it. I could feel my spirit sinking. As you came back into your body, you could feel something. I could feel.

I could actually feel what it would, how it felt. I mean, I could say, I could feel myself, my spirit going into my physical body. And then everything materialized. I could hear and see out of this eye.

I'm laying flat on my back looking. I remember the air fixture up in the ceiling. And I heard myself worshiping God. And I thought, as soon as I thought, like literally like beside myself, I thought, what is that? It stopped, but the person who was dead, God turned death backwards. That's what I could say it. You're very verbal. Do you know that? God turned death backwards. That's a beautiful way. That's beautiful. Let me ask you. He does it

for all of us. Well, yeah, but I've never heard it put that way. That's a beautiful phrase. God turns death backwards. You did the medical team around you, as this is going on. Did they perceive that you had died or you had, what did, what did they believe was going on? They knew something happened, but they were focused, you know, they were focused with something that, you know, they were still waiting for me to die. But when they saw that I began to survive what was insurvivable, the enthusiastically tried to cooperate with that the best they could, you know, and, you know, I was addicted to morphine in a very short period of time. Then they took me off of it and went on Darvon. So I went through withdrawal in that condition.

because they didn't matter if I had a lot of morphine because I was going to die anyway, and I was in pain. Now I went straight off of it. So the pain was when my body became alive, the pain became more alive too. But that's a sign of life. It's a sign of life.

Yeah. And so I went all the way up towards Christmas Day. They were going to transform me to this rehab center. They had to wait for something to open up. And I had gone into therapy, and I stood up a little bit. You can look at the pictures sometime. A guy helped me up,

and my upper leg muscles, and had these leg straps on and a parallel bars holding this way and the guy was holding on to a strap holding me up the therapist. I took a couple of steps forward and then backwards and then collapsed.

And it was like I climbed Mount Everest and won the Olympics all in the same day. And then I got sick and I couldn't walk in it. I couldn't do that anymore. Going towards Christmas. And then when Apollo 8 went up because I'm still like that.

By then I had a room and a TV and I watched that go up and I love this stuff. And the whole world was watching. When they came back, around the moon. I don't want to think it was the first time. Maybe it wasn't. The three astronauts took turns reading Genesis 1. Oh yeah. I mean, this is famous. In the beginning, I've talked about it. And when they got to the 10th verse, I burst out crying, burst out crying. And it wasn't tears of

sadness. It wasn't remorse. It was joy. It was internal. What's the 10th verse? It's, I know, but I'm saying, why do you say the 10th verse? Was this something specific or? Well, it is now, but I mean, it was just, all of a sudden that happened. And then I just, it was tears of joy because it's miraculous. And that was miraculous. Apollo 8 was miraculous because Apollo won, three astronauts burned to death three weeks before the supposed launch. And, you know, President Kennedy made a faith declaration in 1961 that the United States would put men on the moon and bring them back safely by the end of the decade. And that happened. And so there was hope. That miracle, my miracle was going to happen. And so again, it was internal. I didn't know

it here. But, and then, you know, they shift me over this hospital. My brother, said when they took all the bandages off to examine, he looked like I got another airplane crash on the way over. It was still bad. But this trickles started going. And therapy was, I knew that therapy was part of my healing. But they said, I'm never going to walk again. And I would speak to my legs. It's a very frustrating when one leg was, I'm like the James Dobson, a compliant leg. It began to move. This one was dead and very frustrating. And then one day on May 15th, 1969, it completely was healed. Okay. When we come back, I want to hear how it was healed. Why would you go away folks I'm not even going to tell you don't go away because you you couldn't how could you

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