The Eric Metaxas Show - Mike Huckabee

Episode Date: September 14, 2020

Governor Mike Huckabee and Steve Feazel have a new book that clearly defines the success of our nation... "The Three Cs That Made America Great: Christianity, Capitalism and the Constitution."

Okay, welcome to the Eric Metaxus show. Eric is indisposed at the moment. I'm afraid he's been having GI problems and uncomfortable bloating. But I'm sure he'll be out in a jiff. Oh, here he is now. Looking pale and shaken. Oh, you okay, little buddy? The Eric Mataxis show.

Hey, you crazy kids, it's the Eric Mataxis show. That's right, with my posse, my crew, Chris Heimes in the Bahamas, and Albin. Albin, I know you're also in the Bahamas, but you just are sitting inside. I'm in a bunker in the Bahamas. Okay, look, guys, it's Monday. No time to fool around. No time to fool around. We've got some serious stuff to talk about.

First of all, Chris, I want to ask you about your chicken ranch up in Jersey by the Lincoln Tunnel. You've ever been done before. Albin, I want to talk to you about that harpy of a wife, not your wife. Oh. But that harpy of a wife, that Santhipi, it's just ugly what she puts our henpec friend through. and I want to hear that story in a minute. So before that, though, got to tell people in a couple of seconds, we got Mike Huckabee coming up on the program.

Mike Huckabee is going to blow your hair back. He has a book out. Now listen to the listen carefully because this is true. Mike Huckabee has a book out without gravy or biscuits in the title. Never been done before. This is kind of a reach for him. And I just got to say, listen, big props, literary props. to our friend Mike Huckabee. He's never done that before. And I don't know if he's going to lose his audience.

What's going to happen? But he has a co-writer, Steve Fiesel, who has helped him with it. So when we talk to him, I don't think I'm going to have the guts to ask him these questions, frankly, because I think it's sensitive. I think it's very sensitive. Most people just don't believe that a Huckabee book without Grits or Gravy in the title will do the numbers that the other ones have done. So I just, I'm not going to bring it up. But I'm telling you my audience, since it's just the small group of us, okay? What's going to happen in a couple of seconds? In our two today, speaking about literary, we have our friend Ellen Vaughn. I met her when I worked for Chuck Colson. She has co-written many books. She has out and out written just a handful of books. She's got a new one out,

really special. I got to tell you, I shouldn't say a handful. She's written a lot of books herself, but this one is a straight up biography of Elizabeth Elliott. Some of you know she is a great heroine of the faith, only died a couple of years ago. And I have to say that, you know, it is really a big deal that this is the first biography of Elizabeth Elliott. So that's an hour two today. Okay, now we've got to get to the important stuff. Yeah. If you go to Mypillow.com, some of you don't even know what that is or whatever. There's a guy on TV late at night. He comes on wearing a silk pajama top and a cross. And he claims to have invented a pillow.

Now, we all know that's preposterous, but he's a good guy. He's become a friend. And everything he sells is amazing. You have to go to mypillow.com, but here's the trick. If you don't use the code Eric, there's a surcharge. You've got to use the code Eric. You get a whopping discount if you use the code Eric. Otherwise, let me just say caveat mTOR, my friends.

You know what I'm talking about? Okay, Chris, chicken farm, go. Yeah. Well, I was going to say if you use the code name Albin, the price doubles. So make sure you use the code Eric. Eric. Yeah. No, so chicken update.

No big news yet. We're still waiting a couple months to get some eggs because they're still young. But we did find a snake in the backyard in my nine-year-old Maxfield, got some garden gloves, and we did a Steve Irwin-style snake video. And he picked it up and gave it a name. and yeah. So he wasn't afraid of the snake. He just got gloves and decided to kind of be the snake whisperer.

Yeah, he was the opposite of afraid, whatever that is. Wow. Your serpent whispering son is exactly what I've been praying against for your family. So I'm very sorry to hear this. I need to fast. I fast between meals now literally every day. And obviously it's not working. But that's, okay, but what you have, are they technically called pullets?

Yeah, I think they are You know I don't know what age they need to get to To where I can just start calling them chickens But yeah, I guess they're pullets until they start laying eggs And then they're called Hegams No, I don't know

But then they're all No, then they're called Mama Yes But then you, but then you steal the babies from the mama That's so sick And these are all female chickens There's no male chickens in the bunch No, there are definitely no male chickens

We wanted to stay away from that dynamic. You can tell if it's a male chicken. This is the experts. No, it said those are the ones without the udders, and sometimes they'll have little horns. Yeah. All right. So there's no real update on the chicken front.

All right, before we go to Huckabee, we've got to find out, Albin. I just got to say, I'm so sorry that this hen-packed situation with that terrible wife. How long have you guys been together now? 12 and a half years. 12 and a half years. 12 and a half wonderful years. That's her calling now, I guess. To peck at you, like a chicken.

Yeah. So you probably don't realize you're on the air, so you might want to turn that. Whoever that is doesn't really like. If that's my wife, I'm not here. I know. If it's my wife, I am here. No, I noticed that Chris over there,

by the way, when the chickens become, when they're done laying eggs, there's another name. It goes from pull it to chicken to dinner. And you know what? I just noticed you live right near the Holland Tunnel. Is that correct? No, no.

That must be the mouth of the Holland Tunnel. The Lincoln Tunnel. Of the Lincoln Tunnel. Yeah, this is the Hudson River behind me with the Palm Trees. There is. I never heard of President Holland. I can't believe you would make such a simple mistake. Okay.

Now, yes, I am painting the condo, and this is another one of those COVID-related tragedies. Because we were doing the bunker videos, my wife saw on the living room wall. She said, I hate that color. We have to repaint it. So now we're repainting the entire condo. And, you know, she literally has spent several days. And this is not an exaggeration.

And she goes through all the paint colors, you know, Benjamin Moore, Sherman Williams. You know, they have like, like, see. Those aren't colors. What are they? I think that they might be paint brands. And then, of course, who can forget there? No, but I was going to, right, but I was going to say each one of those brands has a different name for the same color. Like, you know, sea mist.

It's not green or light green. It's sea mist. You know, rusty foam. I don't tell you the color behind me. A lot of people have asked about it. And it looks better in different light. Right now the light is not so good in here. But there are some amazing colors.

And that's the problem. When you get married, your wife will spot that color someplace. in a magazine, and now your goose is cooked. Right. Well, here's the problem. Downstairs is really dark, so we had to go with a color called scorched sun. So now it's like really, really bright. So that's why I'm in my office.

Do you have to wear sunglasses just to enter the room? Exactly. But it's bright. Okay. All right. Listen. So what, so you haven't decided on the color? Are you nearing a family of colors?

Well, that's it. you have to go with the whole family, you know? It's like, it's not just one color. It's got to be the whole family. It's got to be dysfunctional either. But since you're on the air, why don't you just paint that little wall behind you and be done with it? Well, she wants me to do that, but then I have to clean up all this mess around here. Why?

So you spatter a little paint. Life is messy. Life is messy. You want to make an omelet? You got to break a few eggs that haven't even been laid yet. Break a few. That's absolutely right. Okay.

Well, I just wanted to make sure before we go and talk to Mike Cuckabee, and don't mention the thing about the grits or gravy, because I know he's very sensitive about that. He fancies himself sort of a latter-day Arkansas Proust. And he's, yeah, we just don't want to go there with him. Marcel Proust is his idol. And I mean, take one look at the guy, and you realize he's a wannabe Proust.

And so don't, just don't. even mention it. I won't mention it. But Proust himself pronounced it Proust. Because he saw Proust people, yeah, but there's no, there's no recordings of that. So we're not so sure it could be apocryphal. Listen, before we forget, we want to be very clear to mention Black Lives Matter is evil. I keep hearing from friends, Christians and churches who have not yet figured out that this is one of the most brilliant cynical moves. They are a Marxist organization. that has demonically cynically, demonically being an adverb, demonically cynically taken advantage of the death of George Floyd to push forward their Marxist agenda.

It is horrifying. People have to distance themselves from Black Lives Matter. This is not a joke. When we come back, hilarity with Governor Mike Huckabee. Folks, this is the Eric Mattaxas show. I just happen to be Eric Metaxus. That's really a coincidence. But this is very intentionally a show.

And on this show, I interview other people. For example, in the past, I've interviewed Governor Mike Huckabee. I thought, wouldn't it be great to get him back? We know he's very, very busy. But I called in some favors and son of a gun. Here he is, Governor Mike Huckabee. Governor, welcome to the program. Well, thank you.

I hope you like my hair. to Nancy Pelosi's salon, had a blowout and didn't wear a mask. And man, it looks great, don't you think? Huh? Tell me it does. You know something? People are always criticizing her, but she said something that was Harry Trumanesque. I don't mean Harry Trumanesque. Harry, President Harry Trumaness. She said the buck stops. She said the buck stops with the colorist. And I thought that is just, that's going to go, you know, that's an epitaph. That is a powerful statement. stops with the epitaph. Now listen, we've got to stop joking. That's always difficult because we're a couple of jokesters. But you have written a book with Steve Feasel, and I thought, what about getting

him on the program? It's a crazy idea sometimes, and I thought maybe we could get him. And it turns out we were also able to get Steve Feasel. Steve Feasel, welcome to this program. Thank you. Glad to be here. Well, look, the book that the two of you have written together, I always say this, unfortunately, it's very important. Wouldn't it be wonderful if it weren't important to have to underscore the basics? The title of your book is The Three Cs that made America great, Christianity, capitalism, and the Constitution. My goodness, how crazy that we need to underscore this, but we do, and by the

grace of God, the two of you have put it into a book. Steve, let me ask you first. You're obviously aware that we're living in historic times and that we haven't been stressing these things with the younger generation. Does it feel funny that at this point in our lives that we would need to stress such basics? Yes, because they didn't have to stress them when I was in high school, we knew what they were. And when I look at these three Cs, they're the foundational stones of our republic.

And if we lose them, and if we lose our foundation, then we end up losing the republic. And so that's why when I saw these things and I did some research on them, I said, boy, the best person I could ever get to team up with me on this

is Governor Huckabee. So you put a couple ex-pastors together that's got some political love and insight for this country, it turned out to be a pretty good situation. You know, a lot of people say we're preaching to the choir. Well, as you're just mentioning, some of our choir is singing off key. And when you look at the last election, 40% of the evangelical stayed home. And 20% of them aren't even registered.

So we've got some people we need to get in the choir. You know, if I were a Christian, I'd kill myself just over that fact. I got to tell you, when I hear that, I cannot believe. I cannot believe. We complain about Gaviner Newsom in California. And then I found out most of the evangelicals in California didn't even vote. They have a bad worldview.

It is not a biblical worldview. They think it is. They're wrong. It's a tragedy. Governor Huckabee, you've just been a voice for these issues, for Christianity, capitalism, and the Constitution. your whole public life. Obviously, you were the governor of the great state of Arkansas. Tell us what you see happening right now in this country and with this election. Eric, the lack of people's knowledge of history is killing us. It's destroying this country.

People have no idea who America really is and what its foundations are. And one of the reasons that I was very excited when Steve came to me and said he wanted to partner with me on this book that really highlights the underpinnings of our nation, the three things that without we fall apart. And one is the Judeo-Christian Foundation of Spirituality. You cannot talk about America, cannot understand America without it. The second being capitalism, our economic system is critical to our success and this stunning prosperity that America has built in a very short period of time, and then the Constitution.

So what I think a lot of people do not understand, I don't know how they got through school. Did they pass civics? Did they ever learn about the uniqueness of our system? Let me give you one example. I think a lot of people miss, including people that got elected to Congress for heaven's sake. The essence of our Constitution is not so that the government can put restrictions on us and tell us what we can and cannot do. It is not a government document to tell citizens the no-nows. It is a document that tells the government, get your hands off, the people and let them be free. And the Constitution is essentially an organizational document, but its foundation, its fundamental truth is the government is limited, the people are not. Let the people be free. And we really go into great detail in the book and pointing out the specifics of how these founders, I think inspired by God, came up with a system of government that is absolutely 100% unique, and it is the foundation for why our government, up until now anyway, has been so incredibly empowering to ordinary people and giving them a shot to do things they otherwise never could have done.

Well, the left has put out a narrative, that's a false narrative, of course, that basically says we're not a Christian nation. and like all lies, it's half true. In other words, we're not officially a Christian nation because the founders were geniuses who understood that if you make something officially Christian, if it becomes part of the machinery of government, it ceases to be free. And so they said, we're going to have freedom of religion,

and we are going to allow America to be the most Christian nation in history by not making it officially Christian in the way that some of the European nations were officially Christian. And that to me is the conundrum, because whenever you're talking with the left, they immediately go to terms like theocracy,

and they act as though you have a choice between being officially Christian and being officially secular. And in fact, that's a lie. We are deeply Christian, and a naked public square stripped of faith is not what the founders wanted. I don't know if either of you wants to comment on that,

but that to me is part of the did. difficulty because the media has worked with that false narrative. Yeah, I think the separation of church and state, which I believe is a myth, and one time when I was pastor and I was a chaplain of a high school football team, and we prayed before and after the games in front of the fans. I didn't know I was doing something unconstitutional, according to the left. But if you look at what they're thinking and how they brought in the getting prayer out of school, if there is this separation of church and state, like they say, the first people to violate the Constitution were the guys who framed it in the

first place because they wanted the Bible as a textbook in school, and they wanted prayer involved. And they even felt like, if you wouldn't read the Bible in school, you know what? You're likely not going to read it in life. Well, we know that separation of church and state. Go ahead. Go ahead, Governor. Well, I was going to mention the fact that the whole idea of separation of church and state is actually the polar opposite of what the left has tried to say that it is. Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1803. And what he said was, no, there is no truth to this rumor, which was going around at the time,

that the government was getting ready to create an official government church and to sanction one particular church over the others. And that was a real concern to Baptist, who are very free working, free speaking, sometimes almost too much. but that's a whole other story. We'll take on a different show. But the point was Thomas Jefferson wrote to them to quell these ridiculous rumors and say, no, no, no, no. The government is not going to prefer,

nor is it going to prohibit. And if anybody simply reads the First Amendment, that's in essence what it says about religion. The government cannot, Congress shall not, make a law that prefers one faith over another or that prohibits the free exercise of somebody's faith.

So what Jefferson said was, there is a wall of separation. And what he was saying was the government can intrude upon the church. He never said that the church couldn't actively participate in the government or even petitioned the government, call out the government, criticize the government. He was explicitly clear. Now we have people to say, well, you know what it says in the Constitution, separation of church and state. And I love it, Eric, when someone says that to me. Because if I happen to have a pocket constitution, I toss it over two of them. say, really, why don't you show me where that is in the Constitution? Of course, it's not there,

never was there, but a lot of people to this day believe it is. And I go back to my point, people are ignorant of our documents, they're ignorant of our history, and the result is we've got crazy people in the streets, and they're fighting for something, and they're fighting against something, neither of which they know. Well, I have to say that we're at a time for this segment, but the good news is we're not going to let you get away. We'll be right back with Governor Huckabee and Steve Fiesel talking about the new book, The Three Cs, that Make America Great. Folks, welcome back to the Lonellings There at Georgie C-Fell. Folks, welcome back to the Eric Mattaxas show. I have the joy of speaking with Steve Fiesel and my friend, Governor Mike

Huckabee, about a brand new book, The Three Cs, that's the letter C, that make America a great Christianity, capitalism, and the Constitution. Governor, you were just talking about something that's so close to my heart I could burst. When you talk about the letter that Jefferson, President Jefferson, wrote to the Danbury Baptist, Danbury is my hometown. And every time I hear about this, I am just thrilled. Because it gets to the heart of what we're talking about. The separation of church and state, the wall between separation of church and state, it's not in the Constitution.

It's in a letter written by Jefferson. And the concept is correct. but the left has utterly misunderstood it for about 50 years now and has portrayed it as a way to secularize the culture, to take religion and faith out of the culture, to not allow it in any part of government. And we know, because it's clear from their writings, that every one of the founders had precisely the opposite view. Every one of the founders knew that without robust expressions of Christian faith and without robust teaching, of virtue in the public schools and in the culture, you could never have the freedom that would allow us to be this great nation. And I think that that idea, I know it was Father Richard

John Newhouse wrote a book in 1984, the naked public square, the idea that we're supposed to strip the public square of faith. That is fundamentally un-American. It is against the ideas in the Constitution. It is against everything the founders believed in. And folks like the two of and I and so many others are doing our best to help Americans understand that, in fact, like the title of your book says, without Christianity, you can't force Christianity, but without it, it's going to be very, very tough to have a self-governing people, which is what we've had for 240-something years. Where do you see us going from here?

And I know that you're writing this book, just as with my writing, my book, if you can keep it, We hope that we can wake up Americans before it's too late. I'm not sure if that's directed toward me or towards Steve. Let me just say that the reason that the founders believed that Christianity was a fundamental foundation of our country was because they believe that freedom was individually given. It was not given to us as a part of any group we were in, not as landowners, not as white, black, Hispanic. It wasn't about race, ethnicity. it wasn't about wealth, it wasn't about nobility.

They rejected all of that. And they said that our freedom and that our basic fundamental rights, they even said it was self-evident, that all of us are created equal. There's a radical idea. And that we are endowed, not by our government, but by our creator. Or as Joe Biden would say, you know, the thing,

with certain unalienable rights, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Now, Eric, the reason this is important is because, there are two basic, I would say, trails that we can walk down when it comes to governing. We can believe we're individuals or we can believe that we're a part of a collective. And if we're a collectivist, then we're going to believe that we have to stick to our groups and that only our groups can improve. And if our group doesn't improve, we can improve.

Our country was founded on the notion of individualism. And one thing I'm going to say, and I know Steve would echo this, this book, is chock full of documentation. We don't just make postulations and say, it's so because we think it is, or we hope it is, or we've heard that it is. It's documented over and over. It's a great resource book. I think it's a great read, but I think it's a terrific resource book for people who are always being told by their liberal friends that this country wasn't founded on Christianity. Oh, really? Well, why don't you take a look? And a good example, I'll real quickly, mentioned, every single Ivy League school, with the exception of Cornell, was based on the idea of

being a Christian school, training ministers, and one example, Harvard University, named after John Harvard, who died when he was 31 years old, required the students to read the Bible at least twice a day, and they had to memorize large passages of scripture. I'll bet you there's not one in a thousand students or faculty members at Harvard who have any clue about that. I'm sorry to know that is the case. Please do, Steve. Well, you can back it up from the colleges and get down to our own public schools, which basically when prayer went out of school and they left expelled God from the school, we have been reaping a prop failure from that sewing that went into the ground.

Because our kids are not knowing their truth or having no idea, what's going on, that it was really based upon a Christian nation. The left is using our taxpayer dollars to construct the electorate the way they want to in the future. When you realize that in 2003, 19% of the people claim no religion affiliation whatsoever, no faith. 14 years later, that went up to 35%. I'm fairly, if it goes any higher, because it gets 50 or 60.

are we in really at risk of losing the republic then so we even jockos this is a wake-up call this book is a paul revere on page going down through the country saying socialism is coming wake up if you want to save your children use this book to teach in the history that they're not getting in school so we don't lose them so that they will not be pulled over and voting for the left we need to hold our own in the evangelical ranks. Well, look, I just want to say that this is so important what the two of you are talking about and I yammer on about ad infinitum. It is so important right now that anybody who believes in the basics of this country,

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Folks, I got some embarrassing news to share with you, but you know what? This is just the kind of a show where I don't care. I'm willing to lay my heart, you know, on the line. Here's the issue. Mike Lindell with my pillow, you may notice that I have a bobble hell of him near me. He's here to remind all of us that when you go to mypillow.com, you get whopping discounts if you use the code Eric, okay? Now, there are a lot of people who haven't done that, and we have your names here.

And Chris Heim's and Albin pointed out to me that there's like three pages of you whose first name is Eric. You, you're saying, I mean, that's humiliating for me that even though your name is Eric, you're still not willing to use the code Eric. I mean, if you don't want to use it because it's my name, use it because it's your name. But the point is that I see who you are, and I just feel humiliated by this. Please go to go to mypillar.com. It's okay, Mike. It's going to be okay. Go to mypillar.com.

Use the code, Eric. You're going to get whopping savings and really high quality products. Did I mention that? Thank you. Folks, welcome back. I am Eric Metaxis, and I have as my guest, Steve Feasel and Governor Mike Huckabee, talking about the book that they've written together called The Three C's, Letter C, that make America great, that made America great, Christianity, capitalism, and the Constitution.

You know, when we're talking about the new left, I mean, because there was a time not too long ago when Democrats understood these things, but something has happened in the nation. And I think we're at a tipping point. I think that many, many black Americans are waking up to the fact that they've been used by the Democratic Party and that the Democratic Party has basically so taken them for granted that they have destroyed black communities because they have not leaned on these three Cs. They have secularized things.

And I think that many blacks in America are waking up. But to those who have not yet woken up, I'd want to simply say this, it was Republicans who, through the first Republican, Abraham Lincoln, abolished slavery. It was Republicans who brought about the Civil Rights Act, and it was only a Democratic president, LBJ, who cynically signed it, even though Democrat, senators, and congressmen were mostly strongly against it, and that LBJ, this has to be said. He said something incredibly ugly. He knew that when he was doing this, it was a cynical, political move, and he said, we will have those end words.

voting for us for 200 years because of this legislation. After 50 years, it's time that African Americans understand that they've been played for suckers. And when you look at what is happening in inner cities across America, it's time that people wake up. But the cynicism, the political cynicism of LBJ and others in the Democratic Party, I really think that it's time that it be fully exposed. Governor Huckabee, I know you know way more about this than I do. Well, I'm not sure that I know more. But I do know this. You're exactly 100% right when you say that many people in the African-American community have been played.

But the Democrats, and the reason the Democrats have played them is because they did it for their own power. They did not do it for the empowerment of the African-American community. They did it to empower themselves. And they've been pretty successful. But there are an increasing number of people who are waking up. And even if they don't like Donald Trump personally, don't agree with everything he says or does, they realize that his policies, the things that he has enacted, have resulted prior to COVID, with the lowest unemployment rates for African Americans ever in history and the highest levels of personal income.

And that you could also include for women, for Hispanics. It has been a significant improvement. As Donald Trump said four years ago, what have you got to lose? You've been following these Democrats for 40 years, and things are never getting better. There's still as much poverty. There's still as much prejudice and ugly things that are happening to people. And I think one reason you're seeing this incredible fight going on in the streets, the far left, which the Democratic Party has become, is just struggling to hold on to their last best.

of power and trying to make sure that they don't lose it. So they're just making up stuff about what many of us who are conservative believe. But I believe that this is true to say that most of the people in the African American community deep down believe that the Judeo-Christian Foundation is the foundation of our country. The capitalism works for everyone. And that ultimately the Constitution is the greatest document that empowers people, frees people, and gives people a fair shot under the law. Well, precisely, and I really do believe it's the same case with evangelicals. In the same way that Democrats have cynically used and taken for granted black Americans,

the Republican Party, to the same extent, has cynically used and taken for granted evangelicals. And it's time that everyone wake up and really look at the people we're electing or not electing, because we are on the precipice of losing everything. When you talk about Christianity, capitalism, and the Constitution, we all know that when we were little kids, this stuff began to stop being taught. That this was taught for generations, and that in the 60s, slowly this stuff ceased to be taught, and we are now living on fumes, as it were. We've run out of gas, and people don't know these things.

and so it's up to the folks like the both of you to write books like this, because if we don't understand how it works, it's all going to go away. And I'm so grieved, Steve Feasel, I know you're a pastor. The idea that there are Christians who don't vote, how have we gotten to this pass in America? Well, I don't know, except just that the fact that they, gotten lazy or my one vote doesn't count or whatever. I am thrilled that a lot of black

evangelicals are really looking at this whole situation and are now looking at the Christian principles of it. And I've told some of the people who are not registered yet, and I've even tried to get some people, go to your churches, take voting forms, find out who's not registered, and get them voting. I mean, we have a conclusion in our book that gives a call to action to people. because I tell them, I said, when I vote, it's not about the candidate. You've got Trump and you got Biden, and Biden, you know, if he counts the five, he gets four numbers wrong. But the thing of it is, when I vote, I vote for the party that is going to give family values and my Christian faith the best environment to thrive and influence the culture and life of this nation.

And that is the Republican Party at this point in time where you've got other people, on the other side, they actually have more in common with linen and Stalin than they do Washington and Franklin. Well, I think that's a big point that I think black Americans are waking up to the fact that that organization called Black Lives Matter is a Marxist organization. Doesn't believe in God, doesn't believe in all of the values most black Americans believe in. And they have cynically co-opted people and co-opting white churches. It's horrible. Just got a few seconds. Governor Huckabee, I'll give you the last word. I would just say people need to read their website. Go and look. Black Lives Matter as a slogan, fine. Got no problem with it. As an organization, it is anti-American, it is Marxist, it is absolutely anti-Christian.

People need to go and big companies and corporations need to quit funding it for heaven's sakes. They are making fools of themselves by doing it. Just a joy to have the two of you. Congratulations on the book. that made America great. Governor Harkabee, Steve Fiesel, thank you so much. Hey there, folks. Welcome back. Remember, in hour two today, we have the biographer of Elizabeth Elliott,

Ellen Vaughn. She's written so many books over the years. She has written something that I've never done this before. This is a first biography. When you write the first biography of someone, the level of research, is 10 times what it is when somebody like me writes a biography, which is, you know, number 20 or 50, or in the case of Luther 500 or something like that. You get so many biographies from people and so much information,

but she has done an original biography of this superhero Elizabeth Elliott. So stay tuned for that in hour, too. We also want to update you. We have a list of people who have gone to mypillow.com. and ordered things from there and not use the code, Eric. What? We're prepared to release that list. If you push us, we will release that list.

You're saying, oh, are you threatening me? No, no, no. I'm promising you. I'm promising you. Chris and Albin are prepared to go to jail if necessary. Yes. To back this up. I am legally clean.

I've got nothing to do with this, but I'm telling you, those guys are willing to go to jail. Go to mypillow.com and do not use the code Eric. Now, here's the irony of the whole thing. If you use the code Eric at mypillow.com, you're saving so much, it'll make your head spin almost literally. And there's so many things you can buy there. When I watch Mike Lindell on TV, he's all over TV, and they give these little codes up there,

those codes, the money goes directly into the pocketbook of George Soros or something equivalently mysterious to fund the forest fires and the looting. So what we're trying to tell you to do is don't do that. Tell your friends, use the code. Eric, it's safe. You know where it's going. And when the product comes, it just seems to me that it'll have that sort of that country smell, you know, when you open the box, it's just a wonderful thing. It's really just chemical

pellets that Mike dumps in with a machine, but I got to tell you, they smell so, it's so refreshing. Yeah. And even though the chemicals have not been approved by the FDA, what the heck, who's going to check? So my point is you've got to use the code, Eric, when you go to mypillow.com, and remember, there's so much that you can order from there. People think it's just pillows. There's all kinds of stuff that you can order. So explore the website and spend like a drunken sailor, and you will be rewarded in the next life. Is there anything else we need to mention?

I don't know. Oh, by the way, I just want to mention about, I was painting during that Chris during the Mike Hockaby interview. But I thought, yeah, he had three Cs, the three Cs that made America great. I actually thought one of them was crazy. No, one of them was gravy, but it was misspelled.

Oh, that's why I thought it was crazy. That's that old Huckabee trick. You know those Arkansas politicians. They always got something up their sleeve. They never look you straight in the eye. And that's the good and the bad among them. And he's one of the best. So, but yeah, it's the three Cs and one of them is simply gravy.

It's misspelled. That's a legalistic. That's kind of an old lawyer's trick. Oh. So down there in Arkansas. You know, we should probably remind people we have to get serious for a moment. If you go to MyPillow.com

and you don't use the code Eric, we're coming after you. We don't want to do that. Nope. I don't want anybody to go to jail, but I'm just telling you, you better tell your friends and everybody when you go to MyPillow.com,

you get a whopping discount if you use Eric. If you don't, I wash my hands of the whole deal. All right. I think we're done with what, what we like to call the first hour. In hour two, we have genuine substance, not like this silly hour. Genuine substance coming right up. Don't go away.