The Eric Metaxas Show - Mike Yoder (Encore)

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Lawyer Mike Yoder joins the program to discuss his recent cases 

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Folks, welcome to Friday. And as my friend Shannon Bream says, it's fray. Frye, is like when you're celebrating, fry, yay, and it's really corny. But this is literally the last weekend of the dark years under Joe Biden. Can we imagine? Can we imagine? Can you imagine? I've got to be honest with you. Life is hard. I often think, oh, things are bad. They're getting worse. They're bad. They're bad at the end times. I am stunned, stunned to think that in a couple of days, by the grace of God, Donald Trump will be installed by we the people as our choice to lead this country. I think that there are great things ahead. And Chris, when you and I, we were talking, I mean, there's stuff that's happening that's unfathomable. I mean, the idea that, you know, there's a ceasefire in Gaza, number one, number two, that Trump is talking about acquiring Greenland.

I mean, I could fall down laughing. Like, I'm just thinking, really? Like, really? He thinks of stuff that other people wouldn't even think about it, much less try to do it. Yeah, there's a phrase called American ingenuity, and I feel like we're back. I feel like this is a new era of American ingenuity, and we're giving the permission to dream again and think of like, well, what's possible? And I think we always should have been thinking that way instead of war, country and decline,

which is so infuriating. Well, what else would you think if Obama is president, you know, like it's Obama, Biden, whatever, they're so, so bleak and hard. I mean, look, this is the Democratic Party. They are, they're anti-joy, which is why it's so ironic and sickening that Kamala Harris tried to talk about the joy. I mean, anyway, most people know this. I just want to say, I said this on my Instagram the other day. Or was it yesterday?

Yesterday, I said it on my Instagram that there's a time to hope. We always have to hope. And I think sometimes Christians in particular forget, we're kind of like, oh, it's gloomy. And it's good, well, look, if it's gloomy, we praise the Lord anyway. The scripture commands us to rejoice in the Lord always. But behind that, I think we have to realistically say, sometimes things can get better. We have to keep reminding ourselves that it doesn't always have to be declined, decline, decline, decline. And I think a lot of Christians, their eschatology says, oh, where it's all going to hell and the antichrist is five minutes away.

if that's true, we still rejoice in God. But do we know that that's true? I don't know that we do know that's true. I mean, I don't know how many people in the last year were just acting like it's over. It's the end times. It's bleak. It's like, well, guess what? You were wrong.

Donald Trump was reelected and some good things are going to happen. We need to give ourselves permission to hope. And you said this the other day, Chris, there's a time to celebrate. there is a time actually to celebrate. God commands us to celebrate. This is not a small thing. I think there are a lot of people that act like, well, I'm too holy to celebrate.

Well, you're holier than God. You're holier than Jesus. And that's not good because Jesus celebrated. There's a time to celebrate. Yeah. As somebody with six kids and various schools in the New York City area, there is no shortage of Jewish holidays because guess what? God told his people, you're going to take a break and you're going to party. That's basically what he

told them to do. He commanded them the party, which is crazy. Well, that's exactly right. Okay, I always do this. We get going on stuff and I forget to say what is happening today. All right, in hour one today. So coming up in a few minutes, we're talking to our new friend Mike Yoder. We aired this in hour two a few days ago, but I think most people missed it. Mike Yoder is an absolute hero. I'm amazed. You'll hear, but he is doing things. And again, it gives me reason to hope in the nation that justice is coming, that that evil deeds are going to be exposed, that we're going to, that people will be prosecuted who should be prosecuted. Mike Yoder is, anyway, you'll hear him in a couple of minutes, but he's a total hero. In our two, do not miss this. Ned Ryan is, he's

another total hero, and he's written a book called American Leviathan about what has happened, about the growth of the bureaucracy, of the deep state, whatever. This is a guy who really gets it and is dedicated to draining the swamp, spent the whole hour talking to him, very excited about that, very excited about that. Now, on Monday, we should announce, Chris, that we're not going to be here. We're going to be Washington, D.C., in case he didn't know, there's going to be an inauguration. I believe Donald Trump is involved.

So we're going to be there. I believe the top temperature forecasted is 22 degrees. So we're going to be wearing Joe Namis-style men's furs on the sidelines there. I would, it's going to be, it's going to be bitterly cold. But it's going to be so exciting. It's going to be so wonderful. So on Monday we're going to be doing that. I think on Monday we're going to air probably on Tuesday,

as well, we're going to air an encore. Because of the March for Life, I think we're going to air my encore with my friend April Hernandez. What an amazing story. It's a Miracle Monday story. I forgot to say. It's a miracle Monday story. It's a true miracle story. And because the March for Life is next week, it has to deal with abortion.

It has to do with it. It's so beautiful. And it's a beautiful of miracles. It's a top 10. all-time Metaxia show episodes. So for our newer viewers, we want to start going in this new year going back into the archive because we know we have a lot of new listeners out there and replaying some of the hours that they really need to hear and we're really foundational and sort of creating

the show. Yeah. And some of it is so great that I do feel like everybody has to, you got to hear this. You got to hear this. Now, by the way, the story, it's in my book, Miracles. So if you have my book Miracles, you can read the story. but it's much better to hear April tell the story. So we're going to air that probably Monday or Tuesday.

We're also probably going to re-air my conversation with Ivan Rakelin. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my goodness, Ivan Rakelin, a maniac. I talked to a friend who met him with us at Amfest, and it was very funny. He was really, you know, our friend is kind of, this mutual friend is sort of an artistic guy, and he was not prepared for the Green Beret,

We're going to round up the enemies and we're going to teach him a lesson. And he just was just like, man, I've never met somebody so excited to like, he didn't use the word kill people, but it was something like that. Like really get, you know, in terms of getting the enemies. And obviously we're not, we're not. Well, look, this is. Ivan Reikman always jokes around. He always says it's retribution.

It's not retribution, folks. It's called justice. It's just it. It's simply called justice, like actual justice. So anyway, so we're going to be re-airing some stuff. the next few days. I want to remind everybody, we're doing a cruise degrees June 6 through 16. If you want to know about that, go to Eric Mataxis.com slash cruise. It's going to get crazy. It's amazing. A lot of fun people coming. Ericmataxis.com slash cruise. Also, February 6th in Palm Beach,

tell your friends who are in Florida or fly down for this. We're doing a Socrates in the city in Palm Beach. Never done this before. Socrates in the city in Palm Beach, February 6th. My guest is, Senator Josh Hawley. Unbelievable. We got Senator Josh Hawley. He's one of the good guys. I mean, he's great, actually. He's amazing. And we're talking about manhood. What is manhood? What is a biblical idea? What is a real man? What is that? He wrote a book about it. So we're going to be talking to him, Socrates in the city. You can register at Socrates in the city.com. Socrates in the city.com. And before we slip away, we want to remind you of our folks at the Herzog Foundation, If you're interested in like homeschooling or educating your kids and quality Christ-centered K-12 education, folks, the go-to-place, the resource for you. It's there for you to help you. It's the Herzog Foundation. Hurtzog Foundation.com. It's amazing to me. There's so much good, there's so many good things happening. So I want to, this year, you know, my motto is truth, humor, hope. We need hope. And all this good news is this encouragement.

it gives us the ability to hope that our kids could be well educated, our grandkids could be educated, and that we could have a new future as a nation that understands what matters. So it's exciting. All right, when we come back, we're talking to our friend Mike Yoder. It's exciting. He's exciting. In an hour or two, an unbelievable conversation we have not aired with Ned Ryan. Don't go away.

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Mike Yoder, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me on. I don't know where to begin with you. You are a force of nature. I say that obviously, without too much hyperbole, you're doing a lot of stuff at once. When I met you and heard what you were doing legally, I got so encouraged. And I want my audience to get encouraged that there are folks like you out there just fighting amazing battles legally. This is what God has prepared you to do.

So what are some of the things that you're working on right now? Let's just start there. I'll let you go. Yeah. So, I mean, and like I've always said, that, you know, monsters exist, but there's not enough of them to carry out this carnage. And we have to counterbalance that with people in the legal sphere who actually will take things to courts and exercise the rights that we do have and do process and make sure that we hold our government. from an accountable. And some of the ways we've done that so far was through our nonprofit citizen AG, which I essentially created since we didn't have a U.S. Attorney General, we figured we'd do

the job for him over the last four years. And we've taken on fights, including stuff against the forced vaccines and the pandemic-related issues. And then we've also shifted over into some election integrity work. And now James O'Keefe and I have recently partnered to start protecting federal whistleblowers. So those are sort of the three pillars, if you will, of of the areas that our focus is in currently. Okay, so you've worked with James, you're working with James O'Keefe. Here's a question.

Have you ever sung a duet with James O'Keefe? I have never sung a duet, nor will. That's where we differ, okay? I'm ahead of you on that score, because I have not only interviewed him, I sung a duet. I sang a duet with him at Christmas, but we're not here to talk about my amazing duet with James O'Keefe.

We're here to talk about what you're doing. So you mentioned a whole bunch of things. of things. Where, I just want to always ask people to get the background. First of all, where do you live? Where did you grow up? Yeah, so I actually was adopted when I was two days old. I was born in, uh, in Indiana, but I was adopted by my, my mom and my dad.

I sort of separated between biological parents and my real or my adoptive parents. And I grew up in rural, central Pennsylvania, very, very small town, about, uh, 1,200 people and, uh, went to high school there and ended up just going to the closest college, because there wasn't a lot of opportunity in the area. I kind of, you know, figured out how to get in. And I actually even just drove to the local university to ask for help on, hey, how do I go to college? What do I do?

I'd just go there every Wednesday until I figured out how to apply. So I went to school. And then I moved down to North Carolina where I went to law school. And then up to D.C. where I spent six years. And then on January 8th of 2021, 48 hours after the terrible day of history, so to speak, as they like to frame it, I moved to Florida. and I was there for about a year, then moved out to Southern California with my wife. So that's where I'm based out of right now.

And you're safe in the fires and all that stuff? We are, fortunately. Yeah, we're about an hour south of where all the big fires are at. And, you know, my prayers are with everyone that's being affected by this up in the L.A. area. It's terrible of what we're seeing. Well, I want to get to the work, the amazing work you're doing. And again, I've talked to you about this, but I want my audience to hear. what motivated you to say we need to go after some of these evil actors legally?

What was your first, you know, when you first said, it's my job to do that? You said, you know, we don't have attorney general doing this, which is his job. When did you say, I'm going to do this? So I believe I was actually the first lawsuit in the country followed over the pandemic. The day that Biden announced that he was going to implement a federal vaccination mandate under that executive order 14043. I tweeted out saying, I'm not sure what this is about, but it's not about freedom and this lawsuit will be.

I'm going to sue you. So 13 days later, I was able to file a 224-page complaint in federal court. I brought action on behalf of a federal employee who had sincerely held religious beliefs from each of the several cabinet agencies. So essentially, I sued Biden every secretary in the cabinet when I was a solo practitioner. and that ultimately led to the blocking of the federal vaccine mandate. And then I kept digging through this because I realized if you're going to be forcing someone to do something, then there's two reasons for that, which are either A, you know that it's something that they likely will not want to do.

And if so, why would they not want to do that? Or if they don't have the ability to because of their religious beliefs. And secondly, if you're forcing it in ways that you can't just, you know, curry, you know, support for it on your your own, then there must be something flawed with it. So I paid very close attention to what was going on with the policies and the vaccines. And there just were a lot of things that stood out to me about how quickly this was rushed, what was in the vaccine, the differences between the vaccines that were proved under emergency youth authorization and those that were not the censoring of any sort of ingredients. And I just meticulously combed through everything that came out about it until

I was able to determine that these were not safe, they were not effective, and you can't force people to violate their religious beliefs and inject something into their body that contradicts the First Amendment rights that we all have. So that's when I sort of initially pursued that. And then as I progressed, I was back in September of 2021. And as it progressed through, I started seeing the injuries, the myocarditis, the lack of efficacy, the fatalities that were deriving from this. I mean, looking at the number of people that died that were Olympic-aged or Olympic-quality athletes that died from 1967 through 2022 was more than, or excuse me, from 1967 to 2021, there were less athletes that died who had Olympic-quality hearts, essentially, in terms of their athleticism, than from 2021 to 2022.

So you take that one-year gap, the only thing that changed was the introduction of this vaccination, and it was causing myocarditis. Pfizer knew that we see that in the documents now. And everything that we were saying about this vaccine or so, and I say vaccine lightly, it's a term of art. It's not really a vaccination, but it was true. And there hasn't been any accountability on that. So I've stayed laser focused on making sure that there's some level of accountability

for these, and that's going to be coming out soon. And they've even gone so far to commit fraud to prevent that from happening. Wow. I mean, it's just amazing. And again, I'm just repeating myself to say, what an encouragement to know that you exist and that you're out there. Because I often wonder, you know, who, how do we fight this evil? You know, when our own government is evil, when you have complicity in our elected leaders with this evil, with suppression of evidence. It's an extraordinary thing. And the answer is folks like you. So God bless you, Mike. It's just, again, a joy to know. You're out there. You were recently on InfoWords with Alex Jones. Am I getting that right? Yes. I've become pretty close with Alex over the last, I'd say, five, six months dealing with the election stuff as well as finding stuff and exposing it with the vaccines and stuff. And yeah, we just talked about last week an article dealing with the essential plan of or the rollout, so to speak, as to how they were going to use the pandemic. And we sort of discussed that and the business model aspect of what this was about. Well, God bless Alex Jones. I'm just, I have to say it is, we're living in a time when all the stuff that many people would have fairly recently dismissed as conspiracy theories we're seeing as unfortunately real. And it's hard. I keep comparing it to in 1945 when the Allies liberated the death camps. And they saw that in fact, a civilized nation, Germany,

had systematically murdered millions and millions of people. It boggles the mind to the extent that it's natural to recoil from it, not just because you're repulsed, but to recoil from the idea that human beings are capable of this. I think we need to face it, but I think it's natural for most people to say, that cannot be. It can't be that the government would be complicit in this or this or this or this. So it's taking time for a lot of people to come to terms with this. Because I think there are a lot of people that, you know, they are kind of conspiracy theorists.

They'll believe any crazy thing. The earth is flat. We didn't land on the moon. Whatever jackass theory, somebody's floating, they're like, they're on it. But there are many of us who maybe were too slow to be able to be able to see some of this stuff. And so thanks to your work and Alex Jones and so many others, this stuff is kind of. coming out. And again, it's going to take years for most people to process this. Because,

you know, up until recently, a lot of people believe the Warren report. They believe that, oh, Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK. Well, I'm glad we know. Thank you. And now you realize, no, that's insane. That's garbage. And the evidence comes out. And so we're living through, to my mind, a genuinely historic moment. There's something happening in America and the world, which has not happened in our lifetimes. It hasn't, and I think that it starts, and I'm going to frame it in a positive light, it's, it has a very good source of origin in the sense of the disbelief of these sort of events because good people, true, genuine good human beings can't conceptualize carnage or evil of this magnitude. So when it does confront them, they have this cognitive dissonance and a bias against it because they themselves as individuals cannot imagine doing something so evil or heinous. So when they put themselves as the center as the sort of the metric that they're going to use as a baseline, they can't deviate that far towards the, you know, evil end of the spectrum.

So what's happening is the reason a lot of these things manifest is because there are a very select few of monsters that do exist. It's true. There are evil people, but there's not enough of them to carry it out. Hang on one second. We'll be right back, folks. I have the joy of speaking to Mike Yoder. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Mike Yoder, who's a constitutional lawyer and who's doing God's work legally. And I was going to ask you a moment ago, Mike, this is, you know, you're brilliant. You could be making a lot of money doing less wonderful stuff, but you've chosen to do this stuff on behalf of your fellow Americans. God bless you. I assume that there's a nonprofit and that people can help you financially. continue to do this work because it's not like it's easy.

Yeah, we created the nonprofit because I've ran into so many scenarios where people have a perfect set of facts to make a difference that can change the landscape nationwide, but they don't have the financial means to cover the litigation costs. And that's not even including, you know, attorney's fees. It's just the litigation itself is an expensive business. So we created Citizen AG as a 501C3 nonprofit. So if we collectively can raise the funding to make these differences just like what we did with the election blocking one and a half million illegal voters from being able to cast ballots this

past election in just PA in Arizona alone, we're going to be expanding that effort as well. But citizenag.org is our website and everything is tax deductible, but that's 100% of the source of how we operate. So any support we get is amazing. And that's really what we're able to do, because at the end of the day, it takes all of us collectively working together to make these, you know, monumental impacts and we can't just do it alone. citizen ag.org. Citizenagag dot ORG. And what a great name.

You're your citizen attorney general. It's just, it's great. So you were talking about voter fraud. And what did you just say about 1.5 million voters names that were taken off the roles in Pennsylvania and Arizona? Is that what you were saying? Well, they haven't been officially taken off yet. We're still litigating over that fact.

But we identified and figured out essentially, A, the source of the voter fraud, how all these illegal votes are able to be cast. And it really starts with the fact if you need to have a name on the role that isn't voting, that's registered to vote as an active voter to be used to commit the fraud. They're sort of a vehicle, if you will, to carry a ballot or a vote to the box. And we've identified, and no exaggeration on this, tens of millions of ineligible voters that should be removed from the roles that have not been. and we were able to identify 1.2 million in Arizona and another 277,000 in Pennsylvania,

and we were able to litigate that forcing both states to turn over their entire records. So that's the phase we're at right now is going through. And we've had Pennsylvania's Secretary of State admit in writing that they had 77,188 of that 27,177,000, that they did not remove in flagrant violation of federal law. Arizona, they have not produced the records we've requested and got a court order requiring them to produce. so we're in the throes of that. And we plan on taking this effort nationwide because at its core, there's no more right important to us as Americans than the fundamental right to vote because that dictates

all other rights that we have. The people in office are the ones that can eviscerate the rights we have or protect them. And if we don't have an election system in this country that has integrity, who's to say what we'll have in the future? So that's why we're so focused on that. Well, I'm just repeating myself when I say what an encouragement is. is a deep encouragement to know that you exist and that you are on fire for this kind of stuff. We obviously need it. And I guess, you know, this gets back to the idea that most Americans,

myself included, we've lived in a country where until the 2000 election was the first hint I got that we could be in trouble. In other words, my whole life, we would have an election, somebody would win. It'd be very simple. I will never forget in 2000. when, you know, the next morning we didn't know and it dragged out, I thought, this doesn't happen in America. What is going on here? Like, this is really freaky. Like, we, we, we, we're not, you know, one of these third world countries where Jimmy Carter has to fly over and make sure that the election is, is honest. We're not one of those countries. And we've, of course, seen over time that, yes, there is real evil. And it has come to our shores. And we have very bad actors who, You've been able to gain the system. But, I mean, to have the 2020 election flat out stolen so that many people finally, finally, finally,

woke up to understand that the Democrats with a complicity of a lot of corrupt Republicans have been involved in, you phrased that a minute ago, I mean, you cannot have America. There is no self-governing republic, as we have had for nearly 250 years. our votes don't count if there is fraud in the election. So this gets to the very heart of our existence as a people, as a nation. When did you know that there was fraud? I mean, did you know early in 2020 or after the election or is this something you came to later? When did you have a sense that we're dealing with this in America? I mean, I've always known voter fraud existed. I didn't know the magnitude or the extent of that fraud. I didn't know if it was. I didn't know if it was

something that was outcome determinative or if it was just, you know, through clerical error. In 2020 is when I realized that there's no way that this is, that Joe Biden won. I mean, when you see the numbers of 81 million votes, when you see the delays, you see the sprinkler systems going down, you see the mail and ballots, you see them using COVID as the smokescreen, so to speak, to commit the fraud. Weeks on end, it takes them to count and tally votes. You see them flipping, and then when I dug into it and then it gets to the point of seeing statistical evidence of regression, lines looking at the probability charts and they're identical in 16 counties across different races. And then you start to dig further and further. I wanted to find the source. And that's why

I looked into it because from a legal standpoint, you couldn't challenge it after the election was over because you didn't have standing. You didn't have the specifics you needed to allege a complaint. So it gets dismissed. But if you filed suit beforehand, then they would try to throw it out because it was too premature. So what I did was really wanted to focus in for 2024 on how do we get the actual evidence before the election happens to file the lawsuit before election day. So that way we can't get it dismissed. They can't claim we don't have standing because we're challenging it before the election actually happens.

And that's exactly what we did here. Okay. We're going to be right back, folks. I'm talking to Mike Yoder. If you want to help what they're doing, I hope you do. Go to citizenag.org. Citizenag.org. We'll be right back.

I have the joy of speaking. with Mike Yoder, whose constitutional lawyer, doing some amazing work. You just said, Mike, that, you know, you picked up that, you know, when you look at all the evidence, it seems clear that the election was stolen. But you understand, you and I, we're still in the minority. In other words, Fox News never talks about election fraud. The Wall Street Journal doesn't act like Biden stole the election. I mean, a lot of people that we would have considered on our team a few years ago,

they're going along with this narrative. They're going along with the J6 narrative. But the election narrative, I mean, this is as big as it gets, the theft, genuine theft of an election, where you still have a lot of conservatives and Republicans who refuse to take this seriously, what you've just laid out. Yeah, and I mean, I think that that comes down to what is your driving force or what is your motivation, is it money,

or is it something higher powered than that? Because I do what I'm supposed to be doing on this earth. I believe everyone has a person and a purpose. And what I mean by that is that God created each and every one of us for a specific and distinct, unique reason. And that's your purpose. And once you pursue that, you'll find the person that you're supposed to be with along on that journey.

And some people, their purpose seems to be that they're doing it for money and something on earth. And I'm not going to opine or speculate as to who or attribute names or anything of that sort. But when you're focused on doing things for money, that's going to put certain constraints on your ability to see things clearly or be able to be brave enough to speak out against what you truly believe is the truth. Now, you know, people that don't want to cross the narrative of J6 or people that don't want to cross the narrative of election fraud, are they playing it safe? Is that what they genuinely, truly, internally believe? I don't know,

but that seems to be what they're being controlled by is sort of their careers and their livelihoods. And I've refused to succumb to that and I'm going to continue to do whatever I believe is truly right. And what is the truth? because at the end of the day, that's the ultimate, that's the only thing that we have is the truth. Well, I think that's very well said. I also think there's another category of people. I can think of some people who are friends who are inside a bubble. In other words, I know these people would never do something if they knew it was wrong.

They would never speak a lie for their jobs. They, you know, they're careful, but they're not so careful that they would say, I will allow a, a lie to go forward, right? But they're in such a bubble that they don't know anyone or they don't hear. I can think of a few conversations I've had over the last few years with people that they never, they never hear about this stuff. They never hear the details. Everywhere they go, they're still buying this, you know, and again, Wall Street Journal, Fox News. You know, these are people that they're basically conservative, but they oftentimes just surround themselves by people who are not, they're just not willing to go there.

And so some of that is very cynical calculation. But I think in some cases, it's genuine ignorance. Let's put it that way. Yeah. And I think it also has to do a lot with the fact that there's a very select few people like yourself, like Alex Jones, that are willing to speak out and put things out there to people when they have a platform or an audience that are, you know, counter-narrative, so to speak.

And the second thing is, is that there has to be a very specific, tact that comes along with it because when you're challenging what someone's believed for decades of, you know, people 50, 60, 7 years old sometimes, they believe these things genuinely and they've been essentially gospel and ingrained in stone for life. And when you're challenging those foundational principles that they've lived their lives based upon, you have to do it in a way that is just slowly spoonfeeding it and slowly walking it because you can't just have someone's world erupt in front of them. They're going to be resistant to that naturally. That's just going to be that natural cognitive dissonance we all have. So,

it needs to be gone about, it needs to be gone about in the right way where you give them questions or you start to ask them, you know, what about this or that? And you put evidence in front of them and you can't shove it down their throats. It's letting them do the investigation themselves. But on the flip side, they need to take the accountability themselves to also question what it is that they have believed for so long when they're confronted with that sort of evidence. So it's a two-way street. It needs to be approached delicately by those that are challenging narratives. And those that have believe things for so long in these bubbles need to be receptive to looking outside. that bubble and taking what is presented to them and letting them make their own decisions on their

own, but they have to take that step. Well said, I want to just ask you a little bit about what do you think will happen to folks like Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins? Where do you suppose all of this is going? I mean, I'm fortunate enough to find solace in the fact that God says vengeance will be his, so I don't need to necessarily worry about what happens to them while they're on earth in the long run. that there is some sort of accountability on earth. I think that they should be in prison. I think that they committed genocide of the highest degree. I think that they covered up one of the biggest lies, if not the biggest lie, committed against the American people. You've seen criminals go down for far less on magnitude, on massive scales, yet these individuals seem to run immune from

any sort of repercussions. And I'm hoping that, at least with Cash and the FBI, I've met Cash before, and I think he's a phenomenal, incredible person. I think that he can get the DOJ or at least the Bureau straightened out. And I'm very optimistic that there could be criminal charges brought against them for what they've done. But I'm not going to hold my breath on it. I'm not a pessimist. I'm just going to play in the middle as a realist and say, there's plenty there. I'm hopeful that charges will come.

I don't know if they will or not. But at the end of the day, God will be the ultimate judge and juror. Well, just to lay it out for people that aren't so much on this, because I don't talk about this that often on the program, what is it that you believe Fauci and company did? You believe that they knew, first of all, we'll start with the virus. You believe that Anthony Fauci was knowingly involved in illegal gain of function research, which put the whole world at risk, that he knew it and he was doing it for profit?

Is that the first issue? Yeah, well, the gain of function sort of came after. The gain of function was the development of other vaccines to go along with it. But it goes back to an article I found that was published by the N. IH in 2016. They had previously met in D.C. in 2015, but on February 12th, 2016, they published this article, and it essentially lays out the framework for using a pandemic to build a global vaccination platform.

And when you take all morals out of it, which is hard to do, but if you can look at it through that isolated lens, there's no more profitable business model in existence because the demand is every single person alive on earth across all country borders. It's every person. The supply is unlimited because you. You can just manufacture the vaccines in laboratories or warehouses or Pfizer manufacturers. And the product pricing is going to be arbitrarily high to whatever you want since they use taxpayer dollars to usurp it. So it's the most profitable prototype model of any business that you can do.

And it also gives you control because if I asked you if I want, if you wanted $10 million, but you had to die tomorrow, would you say you want that $10 million? No, of course not because your health is the most valuable commodity that we have. And they were going to be able to capture control of that with these vaccines and put it on. effectively a prescription. When you get your health as a subscription to a pharmaceutical company, because you've compromised it, there's no more guaranteed income, you know, revenue like that. We have to get Mike Yoder back on this program.

There's so much I want to talk. I want to continue the conversation with him, but phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal. Before we go for the day, well, a couple things that I want to mention, but I don't want to forget our friends at MediShare, folks. You've heard about MetaShare. They've introduced something called Metashare 65 plus. Metashare 65 plus.

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We didn't get that to do that today. And I wanted to talk about Joe Rogan has had Wesley Huff on recently, Edmell Gibson on recently. But I'll just say a word about Andrew Tate. And I don't know if Chris and Keith, if you have anything you want to add. but Andrew Tate says a lot of great stuff, and he appeals to young men. The only problem is he says a lot of stuff that's not great. And so this is always the challenge, because I think that it's sad that we're in a place

where young men are so hungry for, you know, strong male leadership that they turn to somebody like Andrew Tate, who's not a man of faith. He's somebody that, as I say, he's got a lot of wisdom in certain things, but in other things says horrible, horrible, horrible stuff. And so I think we'll be talking about that in the future. We're not going to really get to it today. But some people posted something, and I commented on it on X. So you have to be cautious.

You have to be cautious. But anyway, we also had one. wanted to talk about, well, I mean, I can say, I can at least say that Joe Rogan, I mean, it's so amazing. He's had on some people lately. And you think, what is happening in America? This is, this is like revival, the beginnings of revival, because he has on Mel Gibson talking about the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He has Mel Gibson talking about satanic powers and principalities, that our battle is not against flesh and blood. This is Mel Gibson talking to Joe Rogan about this stuff. So amazing things are happening. And I have sensed this prophetically in the

Holy Spirit that this is what God is doing, that we're going to see a new day in the culture. We're seeing the beginnings of it. And again, Rogan had on Wesley Huff the other day, brilliant apologist for the faith, talking about, you know, his quibble, which is my quibble and the quibble of any series Christian with Jordan Peterson. It's like Jordan Peterson, he likes the principles of Jesus, but he's not really willing to deal with the capital P person of Jesus who is alive today, not an historical figure, but an historical figure who is nonetheless just as alive today as he was a moral life. You know, it's just so it's so fascinating that these are the conversations Joe Rogan is having. We are in a new day. So praise the Lord. We'll end it there for today.

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