The Eric Metaxas Show - Naomi Rhodes

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Naomi Rhodes shares her book: Naomi and the Widows' Club: A Safe Strong Place after the Loss of a Spouse. More at: https://a.co/d/3PHrdcR

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I continue my conversation with Papa Tom Clark. His podcast is The Father's Heart, or you can find him at the father's heartmedia.com. You know, Tom, it's just a joy to speak with such a matured. believer who walks in this realm. I know this is real, everything you're sharing, and it's beautiful and powerful. And it's moving to me that God speaks through people to his people, that you're speaking to many people right now and what you're doing. And it's just, it's just beautiful. It's very moving to me. So I guess I want to keep going. But you, you've shared a few dreams that are prophetic. Now, there are a lot of people, I'm sure that they're just, they're very jaundiced about

this kind of thing. They don't believe in this kind of stuff. And I actually feel sorry for them because it's, you know, it's just so powerful and beautiful to know that God is speaking as he's speaking to you. And we have to use discernment. And that's the whole point. As I listen to you, it's clear to me, this is God. This is not like sort of. This is, this is God. So, but where do we go from here? What do you, what do you see happening or what else would you like to talk about? Well, first I would like to say that the scripture clearly says to us, my people perish for lack of knowledge. And I looked at that word knowledge in the Hebrew,

and it doesn't actually mean knowledge like learning how to do something like a carpentry. It's prophetic knowledge. My people perish for lack of prophetic knowledge. So I applaud you for being open to receiving prophetic things. Because the scripture always says, taste what somebody says. taste what they said and see if it resonates with you. You know, there's got to be something that God has already spoken to you that resonates with what I'm saying.

And from our conversation, I can tell from the look of your eyes and the expression on your face, you're telling me that it's resonating with things God I already spoke to you about and different things. So it's not that far off the wall. Well, that's the whole point. It's like, I know that this is correct. You know, this is not just, huh, weird, interesting. No, no.

What you're saying is now, you know, when I, I. talk publicly that we're in our third existential crisis and that Donald Trump has been appointed by God, folks. Now remember, this doesn't make Donald Trump special. God is the one who created Donald Trump. God is the one who invented Donald Trump and created Donald Trump and gave him all these gifts. What? And using him. Of course. And then it's up to Donald Trump. Does he want to be used by God or does he want to use these gifts for himself? And I think throughout his life, it's been a little bit of both, right? But at this point, it seems clear.

He kind of got the message when the bullet caused him to bleed. I think he got the message. He's getting the message and something is happening. But to talk about the restoration of America, which is exactly what I see, the question is, where does this go? And I have my own theories on that. But it's very exciting. And it's almost too much to bear to think that we could have, I believe Lincoln was speaking prophetically when he spoke about a new birth of freedom.

I believe we're seeing that now. I don't believe we saw that after the Civil War. As most people know, you know, what happened after the Civil War was not good, Jim Crow. But I believe now we're experiencing the beginnings of a new birth of freedom, which I think comes with revival. Revival is breaking out and more and more we're going to see. But what do you sense happening? Well, it's interesting you mentioned that because that's exactly where you're leading me to.

It's leading to revival. And I'll show you how that's happened in the natural, okay? Remember the election back in November, I guess the 5th, the 6th, the Tuesday in November? I'm watching Fox News. I'm watching them speaking there. and the man comes on the show twice he said this. One around 9, 10 o'clock. The other one was like 1 o'clock in the morning

because I west until 2 o'clock. He said he focused on the country. He focused on North Carolina. He focused on swing states. And he focused on North Carolina. And then he says, and there's a reason why I'm here, by the way, for the Lord. In focusing on North Carolina,

there's something really weird is happening in North Carolina. We can't believe what's going on. The state of people can't understand the reason about it. There's a little county called Anson County, North Carolina, which is just east of Charlotte, and it's on the border between Northern South Carolina. It's the first time since 1870 that that county voted Republican. And I go, wow. It says, not only did they vote Republican, but it's basically a black county.

It's predominantly black. And in that county, there is the black vote. the black mail vote and the black male vote under the age of 30 are off the charts. I mean, you have national averages. This is three or four times the national averages in this particular, and we have no clue of why that's happening. They say, next morning I wake up, have quiet time with the Lord, and I look at my phone and my son who works for Bank of America,

as a big executive bank of America. He says, Dad, you probably may interest in this. He says, it's the first time since 1870, the Anson County voted Republican. That was on the Wednesday morning after the Tuesday night. So I'm sitting there my prayer time. And the Lord said to me, remember three years ago when you came to North Carolina, I told you that North Carolina, I'm sorry, I told you that revival was going to break out in the rural areas and move into the inner cities.

I said, yeah. And he says, you didn't know how that was going to happen. I said, yeah. He says, well, remember that because Anson County is ground zero for the internet. international worldwide revival. Remember back in August when you went with Cyril Prabhu, who is an Indian who didn't have a father and was raised by World Vision, by the way, came to you and he showed you how he was worked with fatherlessness. Same mission statements I have, Malachi 4-6, and he was dealing with years with fatherlessness into prisons because the common

denominator of being in prisons was not whether you're black, not whether you're white, not with you're Hispanic, but fatherlessness. If you didn't have a father, that's why you were in the prison. So he was dealing with it, and it wasn't working. He was buying gifts for the children of the prisoners and having the prisoners write notes, bringing the gifts to the children's houses. The children would throw the gifts away. They said, we don't want to me do with.

That guy, he's terrible, blah, blah, blah. I don't do it with my father. What are you kidding me? Don't give me these gifts and so forth. So the Lord said to him, now, listen, son, to Cyril, let me show you how it's done. get permission from the administration in the prisons to bring the children in to the prisons, and have the prisoners wash the feet of their children and look their children in the eye

and say to them, son, daughter, forgive me for what I've done. When he's done that, and he did it in Anson County Correctional Facility, which at one time was the most violent prison in America, was an Anson County Correctional Facility. it's most of the population has to do with something with the prison and when he did that starting there the Holy Spirit fell

on the prisoners and on the children of the prisoners and everybody that was there he broke two cycles the recidivism rate which is the return rate is normally 75% he broke it down to 3%

in the prisons he's done this and subsequent to that the second one is 70% of children children whose parents were in prison will end up going to prison. It's a generational sin. Yeah. He broke that with footwashing. Footwashing was the key. It's unbelievable. So back in August, follow his whole thing. We have less than a minute. Keep going. Sorry. Back in August of 2024, eight, ten weeks before the election, he has this breaking the cycle,

he changed prison road in Anson County to breaking the cycle road. It's unbelievable. And about a thousand people there, and he started a school called five and two, five lows, two fishes. It's a trade school for the 18 to 20-year-olds who needed to be a trade so they wouldn't go into prison or came out of prison and they'd have a trade. These are the things that happen in there. When he did that, he broke something in the spirit and the rippling effect throughout Anson County. That's why Anson County voted Republican for the first time in 150 yards. And it's the beginning of all the prisons, like to seven different states. This is, this is earthquake stuff, folks.

This is monster stuff happening in our time. I thank the Lord for you, Tom Clark, Papa Tom Clark. Folks, you can find him at the Father's Heart podcast, the Father's Heart Media.com. God bless you, my brother. We'll have you back soon. Thank you. Thank you, Eric.

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She has written a book called The Widows Club, a safe, strong place after the loss of a spouse. Naomi, welcome. Thank you, thank you. Great to be on. I have been kind of a, fan, Eric, of yours. I love your writing. The Bonhoffer book, my favorite. And then I love the Luther book. And I love the letters to the churches. I mean, I could just go on. But anyway,

please go on. I'd much rather than us having a substantive conversation about your book. No, you're so sweet. Thank you, Naomi. I want to ask you to tell my audience how you came to write the book, The Widows Club. What is it in a nutshell before we go further? Okay, well, could I just say that I believe, as do I hope our listeners believe, and no, you do it, there's a sovereignty to God's plan. So we're in the plan, we're in the plan, and I think it's the seasons of life. And certainly we've all gone through many, many seasons. Our listeners are in different seasons, childhood. Oh, I have a great, godly family that I came from.

and when I was 12 years old, I was at a Christian camp and I met my husband who was 14. He was an older man. Oh, my, you were 12 when you met your husband. That's amazing. Wow. And do you know we both went home and said we were going to marry that person? Can you believe that? Wow, what do kids know?

Yeah, what a kids know. So then we had our teen years and our college years. And those are seasons of life. We got married and we're young and had all our babies, all three of them by the time we're 25. And that's a season. of life, you know, that early raising kids, and then all of a sudden they're all off to Westmont College. And we are empty nesters and we're 40, right?

So God says, yes, but you've also started a business and you've started speaking. So I have a season for you. And the season is that we are going to get to the windows club, I promise you, but we're working our way up. during the season of our 40s and 50s and 60s, we were on an airplane, Eric, almost every weekend for 42 years speaking, every state and 17 countries.

And you know those kinds of travel, extensive travel plans. And then when I was 70, now I know you do something called a miracle Monday. Now, I had a miracle when I was 70. when I was 70. We were on the way to speak at a grand hotel in Michigan, and then we were going to speak in Chicago, and then in New York, I get off the airplane,

host greets me, and I have a major stroke in his arms. You have a stroke? Major. I'm in the hospital in Traverse City for 30 days. 30 days. 30 days. I lost a vocal cord, so I'm kind of a little scorn.

little scratchy. If you find one, I like it. You can get as good used vocal cords on eBay, but you have to, you got to look into it. Yeah, they're not always what you want. Anyway, it took me a year to walk. And that was a miracle because here's the miracle. My physical therapy in Travis City became a Christian. That's the miracle. Your physical therapist? Yes. And I said to him, Jeff, you're the miracle. This is why I had the stroke. And he said, no, no, no, no, no. I said, wait a minute, Jeff. Strokes are temporary. Salvation is eternal. So that was the call in my life during those years. We were called to speak in the secular world and to bring God's salt and light there. Okay. So then spoke from age of just 70 to 80 still could do it with a microphone, even with his voice, and we traveled. And then 80 years old came along.

Did you know that was going to happen to you? If you're not careful, Eric, this too could happen to you. Turned 80 and started to do more coaching, speaking and life coaching and some speaking. And last week, I turned 87. 87. Wow. What's this season? Well, if I just take you back to COVID, remember COVID?

All the crazy things that happened. Well, we, Jim and I had devotions every morning in the hot tub during COVID. A little more information than you need. And one day I said to you, okay, I've had all these seasons of my life. We've shared our world, our love for the Lord and our secular world. Is there anything I haven't done that I should do for the Lord? And he said, Naomi, what's your greatest fear? My greatest fear was that I would be a widow someday.

Because my mother was a widow when I was 13. My dad died suddenly. She could not work. She didn't have much money. My brother was in dental school. I was starting Christian high school. And she lived 10 years. And then she died when I was 23.

but every month, Eric, we would sit down and she'd say, how much money do you think we have left, Naomi? How much money do we have left? I went through widowhood, I felt, with my mother from age 13 to 23, and Jim said, okay, Naomi, new season, that's a call in your life. Why don't you have a ministry to widows? I said, a ministry to widows, what would I do? He said, well, let's make a list.

And I made a list of nine women that lived around the country. None of them knew each other. They all knew me. And I called them up and I said, would you get on a phone call with me, a Zoom call, one hour a week? And they all said, yes, varying from losing their husband 20 years to two weeks. And we've been on that call one hour every week for five years. And we have had a three-day weekend retreat together. They have bonded.

We've added a couple, but many groups have started around the country. And one even in Rwanda. Now, two years ago, this book came out, Naomi and the Widows Club. and the painting on the front was done from a daughter of my heart and it is Ruth and Naomi and that's really what we were patterning this after the wonderful story of how Ruth Naomi just absolutely encompassed this precious Ruth

and of course and that became an ancestor of Christ I mean that's pretty amazing and in the book, each one of my widows did a chapter. And at the end of every chapter, they included two or three of the lessons because each week I choose a theme. And then I write down a few paragraphs about it, send out questions in advance, and they all answer those questions every week. It's powerful.

And then last year, a workbook came out. with a video series that's now being marketed to churches. So we're really, really excited about that ministry. This is a huge ministry. Obviously, my mom just became a widow a little bit over a year ago. And this is something that is, it's ubiquitous in human experience. There are so many women who lose their husbands. and the idea that God gave this to you as a ministry five years ago.

So the book is Naomi and the Widows Club? Yes. And your last name is Road. It's spelled just like Rhode Island. We pronounce it Road E with a long E. But it's just like that. I'm sorry to tell you that that is wrong. That's wrong.

We mustn't do that anymore. It's road. Okay. You know, Naomi, this allows me to bring something up that's very important to some people. Did you know that Rhode Island is not an island? I did not know that Rhode Island was not an island, but I need to know that. It's kind of counterintuitive. It says Rhode Island.

Obviously, it's an island, and yet it's not. Most people don't know that. Why is it called Rhode Island? Well, now I have to say this. I have to interrupt this important conversation to give this silly fact. But originally, Rhode Island, because I had to look this up, it drove me crazy when I thought, wait a minute, all my life I've been saying Rhode Island without ever thinking about the fact that it's not an island.

And so it was once, there was an island named Rhode Island, but then the surrounding territories were somehow lumped in with it so that, oh, it. it's all Narragansett Bay or whatever. So it's the Rhode Island colony or Rhode Island and anything else, whatever. And so then everybody just calls it Rhode Island, but it's not an island. I know that's the last thing anybody wanted to hear today. But the good news is we've got plenty more to talk about with Naomi Rode, R-H-O-D-E. The book is The Widows Club.

Naomi and the Widows Club, A Safe, Strong Place After the Loss of a Spouse. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to Naomi Rode, R-H-O-D-E, about her book, Naomi and the Widows Club. So tell us more. This is extraordinary. And of course, it's interesting that your name is Naomi. It seems like God's plan. Well, you know what's interesting? My mother was in a coma for one month after I was born. And before she went into the coma, she said, if it's a girl, we're going. will name her Catherine. She came out of the coma and she said to my dad, how is my Naomi? Wow. She changed my name. And so it's just perfect. She must have known. No, God knew. God knew.

She changed her name unconsciously. Unconsciously. She changed her name unconsciously. Literally unconsciously. Literally. My father was shocked. He said, oh, oh, Naomi. Oh, she's fine. here she is I'll show her. That was it. That's extraordinary. Well, your whole story is extraordinary. The idea that at age 13, you saw your mother become a widow. It's a big deal.

I mean, it sounds like you've had some health issues in your family for your mother to have been in a coma after your birth. My goodness. Yeah, she was not supposed to have any children. She had a heart condition. And then she had my brother just because they wanted to. And when he was about five years old, they said, oh, he's so spoiled. Let's try again. And the doctor said, don't do it.

You may not live through it. And sure enough, she was in a coma for a month. And then, interestingly enough, after my father died, he died of a cerebral hemorrhage on Good Friday. And parenthetically, Eric, he was so godly that I was in total denial. even though I was a very mature person I thought. On Sunday morning, Easter Sunday, I thought he was going to be there. He would rise from the dead. And I walked around our house looking for my dad on Sunday morning.

I got right in the middle of the living room. I know exactly where I was standing. And I thought he's not here. I know. Daddies who love Jesus don't die. They just go to be with Jesus. and it was boom, the very very solidification of my faith. It was so powerful because he was so wonderful.

So, you know, it's interesting how all we go through these, it's interesting how these seasons pile up in our life. And, you know, I have a few facts that are kind of interesting that I want to mention about widows. First of all, a couple of verses from scripture that I have, think are really, really excellent, and they just, I'm just going to read portion of them. There is the one from a Psalm 68, 5 that says, I'll just read a portion, a father to the fatherless, a defender of widows. Just think of what a wonderful mandate for the body of Christ.

Wow, to be a father to the fatherless and a defender of widows. James 1-27. Oh, pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this. To visit the orphans and the widows in trouble. I love it. And one more, Isaiah 117. Learn to do what's right. Seek justice.

Take up the cause of the fatherless and plead the case for the widows. And you know, it's interesting because a woman's lifespan now our span is 79 years supposedly. That's how long we're supposed to live. Men's lifespan is 73 right now. And we often marry a man a couple years older, which I did. So that's maybe six or eight years that a woman is without a woman. her spouse. And that's a long time.

And the church, I think, needs to grapple with the fact that this is a part of our ministry to make sure these people are included, to make sure that they are given positions in the church noncommittees or whatever, that they're taken care of financially if they have real problems, that we care about their mental health, their physical. health as well as their spiritual health. It's a big thing for the church, I think, to grasp. And who is the church? You and I, we're the body of Christ. That's the good news and the bad news. We're the church, right? We're the church. We're at. This is our job. It's our job. It's our job. Is there a website

because you mentioned all of these groups that have popped up? Well, you know, the only website I could say would be that they would look up. Amazon Prime has got this book, The Widows Club, is on Amazon.com. And then on leadership books, the video series and the workbook is on leadership books. Oh, so that's a website. Leadership books.

People can find the, this. Video series. the workbook and the video series. And we did that about a year and a half ago. Okay, so that's not available on Amazon. So if people want to get the video series, they have to go to leadership books. Correct, leadershipbooks.com.

Dot com. Okay, we're going to go to a break. Folks, I continue my conversation with Naomi Rode, R-H-O-D-E. Got to spell it. Naomi Rodi, the Widows Club, Naomi and the Widows Club. and for the video series, Leadershipbooks.com. Leadershipbooks.com, Naomi and the Widows Club will be right back.

Folks, welcome back. We're talking to Naomi Road, Rodey, sorry, R-H-O-D-E. Naomi Rodi. Her book is Naomi and the Widows Club. There's a study guide. There's a video series. I mentioned you can find that at Leadershipbooks.com. It's a very, very important.

subject. It's an important ministry for the church to reach out to widows. It's clear from the scripture. So Naomi, what else do we need to know? Well, you know, I guess what I would like to emphasize is the privilege of having this season of life. I think often we think in terms of, oh, I loved what I did then, or I want to think about what I'm going to do then instead of really focusing on now. God has called us to right now. Who can we be with right now? You know, I said to the Lord recently, Lord, you know, my dad died at 50, my mother died at 60. Why am I still alive at 87? And I literally heard in my soul, Eric, just to be a blessing. That's the only reason you're here. You don't have to, you don't have to build a business. We have a business. We developed a company. We

You don't have to do speaking. You don't have to raise kids. You don't have to put them through college. Just be a blessing. And there's a verse that I would love to challenge our listeners with because it's a big challenge to me. And it's Acts 24. I consider my life nothing to me.

My only aim is to finish the race complete the task of testifying to the news, the good news of Jesus Christ. That's our challenge, listeners, to finish that race. Eric, you're doing such a good job of finishing the race. I am so proud to just even accompany you in this message today. Thank you for what you're doing. You are so kind, Naomi. overly kind. I know, and you know, everybody's different, but first of all, I know everything you're saying

is true that when you are tempted, and we all are tempted at some point in life to think, oh, I wish I were younger. I wish I were in that season of life and not this season of life. And ladies and gentlemen, I want to tell you, this is from the Lord. No, no, God is with you now. As old as you are today, that's the Lord's will for you today and to embrace that and to give it unto him, to give it back to God and say, Lord, what do you have for me? I'll praise your name no matter what because I know that that's the right thing to do. That's not just something that I do and don't believe it. I know that's the right thing to do and to say, what do you have for me? And when people embrace these ideas and say, well, oh, you know, my best days are over. You're cursing God, folks. You're cursing God,

because God decides, first of all, even to think that way is not biblical thinking. That's not God's devil is to grade yourself, to judge yourself that way. But to say that I am who I am today by God's grace, he has purpose for me today by God's grace and to know that it's his will for you to live like that. I know God has given me a lot to do. Sometimes it's very tough. I have to be honest. It's a battle.

It's a spiritual. Sure, sure. But the Lord is with us. And we need to do these things over and over and you're reminding me. Maybe you have one more thing. Maybe you need to also do another letter to the church about widows. So, yeah. I'm going to say, there are so many, there's so many things we can do.

And the Lord gives us only so much time, only so much energy, only so many resources. We can't do everything. So you have to say, Lord, what do you want me to do? And Naomi, what you're doing, I can't believe you're 87. I mean, we met in Phoenix, I guess it was at a dinner. And I was amazed to hear a story. I said you've got to talk about this on the program because so many people are dealing with this. And you don't hear a lot of people talking about it.

So I want to reiterate folks, it's Naomi and the Widows Club. And it's a book. There's a video series which you can get at Leadership Books.com. And so, Naomi, you still do this. You're meeting with people via Zoom, this group every week. Yes, yes. every Tuesday morning we meet, and they're just amazing women. They're such a dynamic group, and many of them started their own sessions, too.

One of the girls lives in Kansas City where there's a huge Methodist church, 25,000 members in five different sanctuaries, and they are adopting this as for their widows. and I had the privilege of talking and training a little bit, the nine that are going to be leading that. So, you know, it's growing. And I'm thankful for that. I'm thankful for that because it's God's work. It's not Naomi's work.

It's God's work in his plan and his call. Well, and you kind of wonder why there isn't a vast proliferation of these groups, these clubs that every church ought to have this kind of a ministry. There's really no reason not to. It's as basic as it gets. They're widows everywhere, folks. This is something that, you know, it doesn't matter where you are. Just got to say one more thing about this just before we close.

There's enough information in here to start a widows club and you'd have all your information, all your programs or your meetings for one year, one year. So that's Amazon.com. I wanted to get to that. So basically, no, no, no. That's, I mean, because so the idea here is to, we're challenging you folks to start this. If the Lord might be calling you to it, whether you are a widow or feel a call to minister to widows, what a great idea. And you can do it.

You have the template, just add water, just to add the Holy Spirit. it's Naomi and the Widows Club is the book. And we said there's a workbook. And you can get the video series at leadershipbooks.com. But I think Naomi, you have challenged and inspired a lot of people just in the few minutes we've had together. This is a beautiful thing, folks. This is this is not at all complicated. It's a wonderful, simple thing that God would have his church to do. So Naomi Rodi, thank you for being my guest and thanks for what you're doing. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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Hey, Eric, it's great to see you again. I saw you in a very, very cold, frigid, uncomfortably bitter cold Washington, D.C. a couple of weeks ago for inauguration week. That was fun, was it? Well, people don't realize, because it always sounds glamorous if you're not there. Like, ooh, it sounds great. It was like, it was just bad. It was like so cold.

It was unbearable. It was unbearable. I can't remember the last time it's been unbearably cold where you're like, yes. I can't know. Can't do it. And couple that with the security. I don't know how much waiting outside you did, but. Oh, no, no, no, no.

That wasn't in any privileged class. I had to wait outside for like two and three hours just to get in places. It was nuts. It was. It was horrifying, horrifying. So if you, if you missed it, you, you hit it. It's like to go there. I mean, my wife and I,

we were all excited like, oh, we got tickets to some ball. Yes. And we got there to the, to the, you know, like you walk in the bitter, bitter cold because the, the, the, the, the Uber can't even take you because security is so tight. There's like Humvees and military stuff and security. And yeah, finally we get near the line. And I just looked at the line, I thought, not a chance that I'm going to spend. And those poor women, I mean, you know, at least we had. tuxes on those poor women were in bald gowns and listen i don't hear what you're wearing nothing was what

it was forget it no no anyway but may i just say on that that week was so positive that the the vibe in that town despite all that even people that couldn't get in or see what they were hoping to see didn't you notice that everybody there it was devoid of protesting people seemed happy and a bullion anyway a different vibe there oh it was stunning it was absolutely stunning And listen, it's not over. It's not over here in the midst of great things are happening. It's frankly hard to believe, but we need to believe it, and we need to do what we can. I mean, let's talk about, I mean, since, you know, we're talking with the Herzog Foundation,

school choice. I mean, what's going on? And I want people to know that there's a website, read Lion, R-E-A-D-L-I-O-N-O-R-G. Yes, we keep you up to date there every day. all week long constant breaking news and updates on news related to culture to government to yes certainly school choice and so much more uh... if you really need a site that you trust that you that you want to come to depend on for objective honest journalism truth great opinion uh... great cultural insights uh...

reyline dot com as one i'd come in to you you know we're gonna be at the national religious broadcasters association event at the end of the month in dallas with you eric we're looking forward to that because both the the foundation broadly herzog foundation dot com i hope you look that up as well as the lion our media arm and some of our podcast shows we're going to be doing uh shows and introducing ourselves to the convention floor with all of our other media colleagues so in addition to the the show that we'll be doing it to salem and i know you'll be there too i'll be there in my capacity with the herzog

foundation talking about the great work they do and introducing ourselves to other christian media we want people to know that we're a source not just to teach folks how to homeschooled or develop their own Christian school or grow their Christian school, but also plug into our network of shows, our great friend Sam Sorbo, and the news and media we provide all week long. Chris DeGall, we're out of time. God bless you.

God bless you for your show. Look forward to seeing you in the weeks ahead in person. And folks, don't forget, herdsogfoundation.com. Hurtsog Foundation.com.