The Eric Metaxas Show - Naomi Wolf

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Naomi Wolf joins to discuss Dr. Casey Means, Trumps choice for Surgeon General

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Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. It's a new week. Today is Monday. May the 12th, Chris Heimes and Keith Junta, happy Mother's Day, belated to both of you. Happy, happy. Happy Mother's Day. Because any minute, you could choose to be a woman, and that's just what it is, man. We're in the future now. We're in the future. It's like Buck Rogers.

In 10 minutes, you might be able to have a womb surgically implanted. And it used to say, you guys can't get pregnant. You know, so who am I? Who am I to judge, quoting Pope Francis, who I believe has passed on. nonetheless his quotes live on in infamy. Who am I to judge? So yesterday was Mother's Day. I want to talk about that. I want to talk to both of you about that.

And I have a funny Mother's Day story that I'd like to share from yesterday. Also, also, I want to say that yesterday I was at the gym working out. I was getting pumped up. And I got a text from Naomi Wolf, wishing me happy Mother's Day and saying she's going to be New York, whatever. And I thought, we don't have a studio anymore. In case anybody knows, doesn't know, TBN, we can't figure this out. They seem to be nice people. I've always found them to be nice people.

But we don't have a studio in New York anymore. So I thought, oh, man, Naomi's in town and we can't ever in the studio. And, you know, we got a Socrates in the city tomorrow night. I said, Naomi, you got to come on, come to the Socrates thing. It's going to be amazing. Melanie Phillips, she can't come to that. And it thought, well, look, since we're texting, why don't you come on the program via Zoom, which you could do from anywhere.

But she's been in the news with a lot of stuff. I mean, there is no one. I could say this before she comes on the program because I don't want to embarrass her when she's on the program. But there's certain people, I was just laughing, thinking like there's certain people that are so brilliant you have to laugh. Like a lot of times in my life, people will say to me, oh, Eric, you're so smart or you went to Yale. It's like, no, no, I'm a stupid idiot compared to someone like Naomi Wolf. And there are plenty of people like this. They're just so smart.

You just laugh. And so she's been writing, you know, about the geoengineer. and the planes in the skies and she's been writing about. And lately, and this is what I want to talk to her about, because she did consent by a text to come on this program today via Zoom, she's been writing. She wrote a substack. I think maybe I even read it yesterday morning about President Trump's choice for

Surgeon General. And all of the Maha people, myself, I would include myself in that group, are saying, this is great. but some are not. Nicole Shanahan, who was RFK Jr.'s running mate. Yeah. And who has become a Christian, extraordinary. And Naomi Wolf and some others have big problems with, what's the woman's name, Casey?

Me means. Yeah. So I think the biggest, the biggest objection is that she ran a company that was doing biometric data harvesting. Well, that's, okay, correct. That's right up Naomi's Alice. So Naomi is going to come on the program, I believe in a few minutes to talk about this with us. So I want to warn everybody that we've got something amazing coming up today.

We were going to have John Zmirak on to talk about the Pope. We may just do that tomorrow because Zmirak has got a few choice things to say about the new Pope. And anyway, but because today is Monday, we call it Miracle Monday. the alliteration. Miracle Monday. I thought of that myself. People say, I'm dumb. I'm not dumb. I thought of that. Miracle Monday. Both words start with the same letter, which I believe, and please check on this, I believe it's a consonant, M. And you know what? I just said, that's a brilliant idea. Let's do miracle stories every Monday. We'll call it Miracle Monday. And today turns out is a Monday. And so in our two, we have somebody coming on named Eric Swithin.

My interview with him just last week, we're going to run it. It was, I tell you, I mean, miracles are inherently staggering if you're listening. If it's a real miracle and somebody can communicate it, you just go, wow, God is real. And so in hour two, we'll be talking to Eric Swithin. And by the way, he has a film coming out. I think it opens in theaters tomorrow. It's called Show Me Your Glory. Yeah.

So you can check out the details at show meyourglorie.com. Show meyourgloory.com. Show meyourglorie. com. It's coming out in theaters tomorrow. Tomorrow. It's only in theaters like three days. So tomorrow Wednesday and Thursday.

So an hour two, Miracle Monday, Eric Swithin. In a couple of minutes, Naomi Wolf will be on. We got John Smirik tomorrow and all kinds of other crazy stuff. but I wanted to talk a little bit about Mother's Day because I was in Connecticut yesterday with my mother who will be 91 next month, which makes me pretty old. I don't know how this happened.

Nobody knows how this happened. The passage of time, it's a mystery. It's happening all the time. I can't feel it, but it happens. And so I was with my mom. My brother was by, and we were on the deck in the backyard. in Danbury, and I made an Instagram post.

I thought, hey, it's Mother's Day, the weather's beautiful. I got to make an Instagram post with my mom. And I was just thinking about the concept of motherhood and how this is my mother. And her mother gave birth to her in 1934. And my grandmother came into the world. Her mother gave birth to her in 1934. And of course, I knew my grandmother so well and loved her. She was just one of the most delightful people I've ever known in my life.

And she was my mother's mother. And her mother was born in 1870. And my mother loved her grandmother, who was born in 1870. And it's just so beautiful when we think of what a mother is. And I remember my grandmother saying to me about when her mother died, which was 1943, I believe, 42 or 43, my grandmother saying, yeah, it's terrible when you lose a mother, just the way she said it. But anyway, it was just so moving to me that I still have my mother and I could sit there with her. And then it dawned on me.

And I think I said this in the Instagram post. If you're not following me on Instagram, folks, oh my goodness, you're missing something. something. But yesterday on the Instagram post, so we're sitting on the deck. I'm sitting there with my mom. And I realize on Mother's Day, 29 years ago, exactly, I proposed to Suzanne. Turns out she accepted. And where did I propose right there? Just below the deck on the grass. That's where I proposed to Suzanne May 12, 1990. six, 29 years ago yesterday. And the whole story of why I proposed John Mother's Day, for me, it was a, I'll call it a prophetic act. I said, this is not, and this speaks a lot about what is marriage. Marriage is not just about the marriage.

It's in most cases about the family, that you're choosing someone and they're choosing you to live together forever till death do you part and to have children together, which is a sacred thing. It's a beautiful thing. you're not just choosing a wife if you're a guy. You're choosing the mother of your children, the grandmother of your grandchildren. It is so sacred and beautiful. So I proposed to Suzanne on Mother's Day.

And that very day when I proposed to her, and this is part of a miracle story, I haven't written this yet. It'll be in one of my next books. My niece was born on Mother's Day. So every Mother's Day, we celebrate Mother's Day. we celebrate the anniversary of my proposal to Suzanne, and we celebrate the birthday of my niece, Malina, who's obviously 29 years old. It's crazy.

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But Chris and Keith, I forgot to share a crazy story that happened yesterday. You tell me if this has ever happened to you. I think everybody listening can relate to this. Everybody listening, I think. It's one of these horror stories that we all have to live through. So yesterday, we have a nice day. Now it's time to go home. I'm in Connecticut, got to drive to the city.

There's going to be traffic. So I pack everything up and I got all kinds of books and stuff and whatever. I'm packed up. And I can't find my car keys. Now, where could they possibly be? Obviously, they're, you know, in my paper. pants or here, da, da, da, da. So I check all those places and I can't find them. So obviously, I've put them someplace, whatever. So I'm looking on the counter. I'm looking in this room and that room,

looking out in the backyard. I look everywhere. I can't find the car keys. And this kind of thing has happened enough in life that I don't really get panicky, but approaching panicky. Because what happens, you know, you're like two hours away or whatever from home. How do you get home if you don't of your car keys. The car turns out is utterly useless without the keys. This is a little weird that with all the technology we have, my brother says, like, I don't need car keys. I got a Tesla.

I use my phone. Like no, you know, like, so, so what do you do now? What do you do now? This is like where you, okay, now I've packed everything carefully. I have to now unpack everything. and go through everything. Maybe the gym shorts at the bottom of my suitcase. Maybe it's in the pocket there because I drove to the gym.

That's obviously where it's going to be. No. Not there. Where? Where could it be? So you go through everything twice, whatever. I went through my suitcase twice because, you know, you go through it once and then you look all over the house everywhere, under the bed, and you can't find it.

So now you think, well, I guess I got to go to the suitcase again because they're clearly in there. Like, things don't just disappear, right? So I go through the whole suitcase again. My brother's helping, whatever, and not in the suitcase. Now, what do you do? Take an Uber from Connecticut to New York. What do you do? What would you guys do?

I would start praying, but I just want to say in advance, I think we need to normalize. making those key fobs, not the color of shadows. And like they should be bright orange, lime, lime green. This happens to me once a week, maybe twice a week, but continue. Okay. So I know there are people who can relate. And people have all kinds of horror stories. I mean, in fact, while I'm looking for the keys,

I remembered that about 15 years ago, we were in Connecticut. Suzanne, my daughter, our daughter, my mom. my dad, we were all packed. The whole car was packed to go to Camp of the Woods in the Adirondacks for a week at the camp of the woods. But everything is packed. All we need to do is like, you know, pull out of the driveway. Can't find the car keys. Now the car keys could be anywhere in the whole car which is packed.

So it's just one of these things like, you know, so. So my only thought. Because my mother, approaching 91, is definitely slipping in terms of, you know, what she remembers doing and this and that. So I thought, is it possible that she, like, picked up my car keys, which maybe they were where they weren't supposed to be or something, and she just picked them up and put them someplace? Now the possibilities are infinite of where they could be, right? So I ask her to go through her purse. And my brother, I think, supervises that she doesn't find him in her purse. So now I'm going through this stuff again.

I'm going to, you know, now you're starting to, okay, this is the end game. I'm going to have to call an Uber. So my brother somehow says, mom, just go through your purse again. Like we got to, you know, whatever. So she goes through her purse. And my brother says, that's them. And she goes, no, no, no, these are my keys. Oh, man.

Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, man. Except they're not your keys. They're my keys, mom. If it weren't Mother's Day, you'd be dead. I was going to say, at which point you gave her a big hug, you reminded her how much you loved her, gave her a kiss on the cheek.

Oh, no, no, no. She didn't need to be reminded because she's not on the ball enough to know how ticked I am. Right. I mean, to be fair, to really make it even, Stephen, she should have left him in the bag for nine months and then delivered them to you. There you go. There you go. Yeah. But, oh my gosh.

Thank you. Can I have those? Thank you. But I mean, these are the stories of our lives. I remember, like, literally, I don't know, over 30 years ago, a friend saying the question, like, where do you see yourself 10 years from now? Like this is like 30 or 40 years ago. I was just out of college.

So he says, where do you see yourself 10 years? And he said, if somebody asked me that question, the answer is, where do I see myself 10 years from now? Locked out of my car in Bamberger's parking lot. Like that's probably that Bambergers, right? Which shut down like 25 years or 30 years ago. But I mean, that's life, ladies and gentlemen. This is the substance of life, not your achievements, not your resume.

You live life, you lose your car keys, you eat your meals. Anyway, but what, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Okay. So, praise the Lord, we found the keys. But oh, my goodness. All right. So we got Naomi Wolf coming up. We just had a couple of minutes to cover some news of the day.

Today, we don't know the details. And even if I knew the details, I couldn't explain them to you. But we cut a deal with China. Now, this was Trump's endgame, the genius Trump, trying to isolate China, make deals with other people, and isolate them and force them into doing what, to doing the right thing. First of all, they'll never do the right thing.

They've been ripping us off for, you know, many decades. But to just to stop the rip-off and to try to get some equity and whatever. And so Trump is using tariffs to bring about genuine free trade. to bring about actual equity. And it amazes me how economists don't understand this. They have made this fetish of free trade. It's like they don't even understand that there are limits to free trade. And I've talked about this myself.

It's kind of common sense. But so that's a big deal. And I think that we're going to see more and more and more the genius of Donald Trump. Imagine having a super genius like Donald Trump working for you. Ladies and gentlemen, this is why we voted for him. This is the genius of our government system that we get to choose people who work for us. We hire, who's the smartest, what, that guy. I want him to be president.

And then he's going to be doing deals and things that I can't even dream about. And you know what? When it works, it works. It's pretty amazing. If you have fair elections, and we've talked about this in my book, if you can keep it, I talk about what's necessary to have a form of government where the people choose their leaders and on and on, but it's it's kind of amazing. Isn't this similar? Isn't this similar to like a Cold War? And instead of nuclear armament in an arms race, Trump is using economic brilliance and strategy and dealmaking and tariffs. Like we're we are at war with China. It's just a Cold War. And I do think we're going to win because he's right and they're wrong.

Well, Goodwin's out over evil. Ultimately. Ultimately. Not in the short term, but ultimately. And so anyway, that's just a big deal. I have to say, there's, what else is going on? There's so much else going on in the news that I, before we get to Naomi Wolf to talk about what's going on on the news, I wanted to see. There was something else that's going on.

Oh, Trump, again, today, holy cow, signed an executive order. to significantly reduce the cost of prescription drugs. Again, I have no clue what that means. We have some people, David Bonson, we've had him on this program a bunch of times. He doesn't really like Trump and he's been critical of some stuff, but he's an economist and he was very critical of this. He's saying that this is kind of like, you know, a type of socialism that it's not pretty much.

I would suspect in the end he's wrong because I'm going to trust Trump. every time unless I can clearly see something. But, listen, Trump's not perfect. In a few minutes, we're talking to Naomi Wolf about his choice for surgeon general. So we can see. Go ahead. Sorry. I was just going to say there's definite predatory price practices from pharma on this stuff.

You know, there's a cancer drug that costs a quarter to make, and they charge $1,000 for the treatment. You know, I mean, you know, there's probably some actual costs you could cut there. Well, just advertising alone. I think Big Pharma should not be allowed like they did to the cigarette industry. You're not allowed to advertise on television. Think about the money they spend for all those ad placements. It's endless.

And you know where they get that money? It built from us. Exactly. From us. It's kind of kooky. Okay. We're going to bring on Naomi Wolf, I think. And I don't know.

Did I mention? that I found the keys. I just want to keep telling myself that every hour, so my heart can stop racing. All right, folks, we'll be right back. Folks, welcome back. As promised, our friend Naomi Wolf. Naomi, welcome back.

I'm excited to talk to you about anything. Where would you like to start? Thank you so much for having me, Eric. I think top of mind for me is that Casey Means nomination for Surgeon General and an essay I wrote over the weekend about why I'm terrified by this nomination. Terrified. That's very strong.

Now, the first question, and this is what always tortures me when I have people that I like disagreeing. I want to see everything real simple. Those people are bad and wrong and those people are right. And you are disagreeing with RFK Jr. and Marty McCary and people that I would think would care about exactly the same things that you do in terms of the Maha agenda. And Casey means it seems is a great choice for the Maha agenda. So what do you see wrong?

And how do you think that happened? How is it that somebody like RFK Jr. could get something like this wrong? That's always my biggest question. Well, first I'd be curious to hear why you think she's a great choice for the Maha agenda. No, I'm curious why he thinks she's a great choice. Marty McCary thinks. In other words, people that I would think are on board with us with the Maha agenda, whom I respect, whom I look to as I look to you, to help me understand things,

are saying she's a great choice. So it's deeply disturbing to me that somebody else that I look to to help me think about this stuff thinks she's not a great choice. So in a way, I'm wondering why you think they would not take seriously your concerns. Well, let me first make two points, and then I'll speak to that, if I may, two background points. One is that, as your audience may know, because I reference it from time to time, I was a political consultant for two presidential campaigns for President Clinton's reelection, for Vice President Gore's presidential campaign.

And in that role, I, you know, watched life in the White House, basically. And as a result, I understand decision-making by the principles, people at the level of RFK Jr. and President Trump in a way that a lot of people who haven't been behind the scenes may not understand. So it's not like who you, Eric, are hiring to be a producer or a researcher. You know, you are free to make the best choice based on your best understanding. that people in President Trump's role or RFK Jr.'s role or even the chief of staff's role really aren't free to just go with the best person because there are powerful competing agendas and special interests surrounding them. And it's just a constant making of deals, making of deals, horse trading, horse trading. So that's the background people should bear in mind, which is why it's so important for voters

to speak up when there's a policy or a nominee who is a bad idea, because that's the only leverage that people in President Trump's role or RFK Jr.'s role have to say to, say, big pharma or big tech or big agriculture, big defense, whoever it is, I can't give you everything you want. So that's number one. Number two, I am a tech CEO, and I wrote an essay on Substack, which is getting question a lot of traction, but I don't have a direct line to, you know, the White House or to R. F.K. Jr. A lot of my friends are around him and, you know, I hope they're listening. But, you know,

I respect him a ton, but I recognize that he's not at liberty to do absolutely everything he wants. That's just a fact. So my tech background led me to know in advance that Elon Musk was presenting a serious danger to our data. I wrote that essay. I was prescient. I told Steve Bannon on War Room in February that we were at risk of a terrible national security breach because of the use of third-party platforms on which people were being encouraged to have confidential

or classified conversations. And that was a month before the signal scandal in which third-party platforms were being used to have confidential conversations at great risk. to our national security. And I knew that Elon Musk was going to put his own AI on our data sets because that's what gives value to his AI. I knew that his team was going to try to merge all of our data sets,

which they tried to do because that creates a database that lets him create an everything app. In other words, the breaches of our data were predictable to me because I understand the value of government data. It's the last wild, it's, Big Tech wants the data that the government has behind closed doors so much because it's pristine, it's secure, it's private, it's protected by many layers of protection, and the value that they could glean by accessing it is stratospheric, right? So I get that and I tried to explain it with Elon Musk. So now, Casey means two clicks in.

you can see, or I could see from my background, that her company is a kind of a front, an empty storefront, for value to be pumped in by Silicon Valley. She is represented and has been out of nowhere, along with her brother, Callie Means, as Maha Heroes. This started about a year ago with a giant PR campaign that has been relentless. But in fact, she not only, as I just learned from Dr. Peter McCullough, didn't pass her boards, didn't sit for her board exams. So she's not credentialed as a surgeon, even though she refers in interviews to her, quote, career as a surgeon.

But much more seriously to me, she is a kind of front person for the biggest and most corrupt interests in Silicon Valley to pump value into her country. So, Naomi, hang on one second. Going to a break. We'll be right back. Folks, welcome back talking to Naomi Wolf. Naomi, this is all very serious. Please continue. Sure. And I'll try to make it not nerdy. Bottom line is she's spun as this, you know, idealistic young doctor who was upset at Rockefeller Medicine and wanted to do things. in a more alternative way, that's really nonsense. If you look at her company, Levels.com, it was co-founded with a Twitter guy, a SpaceX guy, a Google guy, right? And funded by intellectual ventures, which is the most kind of established, corrupt VC firm in Silicon Valley. And they funded the MRNA platform, by the way, for the MRNA vaccines.

So hang on. So you're not saying that. in other words, two things can both be true simultaneously, right? In other words, she could be somebody who really cares about the same things that people in the Maha world care about, genuinely. And she could be involved in this other thing, which you're saying, kind of like with Elon Musk, represents a potential threat. But it sounds like you're saying more than that, that she's a Trojan horse, that she has been set up to enter this world for other purposes and this other stuff

is the front. So that's much more dramatic than what you said to some extent about Elon Musk. Because I think that it's not really clear intent matters. And so I'm trying to understand. Sure. You actually think that she is, why would somebody like R. FK Jr., who's not dumb, not care about this. That's always what fascinates me.

Well, first of all, let me just give the nugget of what's so scary about her company, okay? In addition to someone with no background in tech, never had an exit, never run a business, getting a $313 million valuation, right, after raising a series of seed rounds and series A rounds that got to $38 million. Right. And this is for a company that has no original technology, 10,000 subscribers a year. I'll get to that in a minute, which is not a lot. And a flat, it hasn't grown until October of 2024 when the means twins or siblings were in the news, right? Flat or declining growth, right? That is not a $313 million value company. But money is being pumped in, pumped in, pumped in by big tech investment. investors, right? So it's very much of a, why that huge valuation? Well, there's nothing in the

company, especially because if you look at who's using it, almost 80% of the visits are from Mexico where health care is free. And it's a very expensive product. It's about $400 just to sign up, and then over $100 a month. The average monthly salary is $1,600 in Mexico, and health care is free. So who are all these Mexican users? Mexico is like a, Singapore, the third biggest use area, is a bot farm destination. I'm not saying we know their bots, but it's weird usage in United States. She only has 21 percent, and it's declining by 60 plus percent over the course of a month. So even though she's in the news all the time, she, you know, she has a small minority of users in the United States and they're declining. So why

this value? The only reason that I can see to pump so much value into a company like this is twofold. One is the nature of how it works. It's a needle, a tiny needle that you put on your arm and you stick it with adhesive always. And it goes into your body measuring, you know, glucose levels in your body and then and other biometrics, including the possibilities to measure geolocation, right? And that gets pumped to your phone, which then your internal data goes to the cloud, where the Google guy and the X guy and the intellectual ventures guy and the SpaceX guy have access to your internal biometric data 24-7, including, again, geolocation possibilities.

And that data in the terms and conditions is not kept in your account. It can be monetized. It can be sold to anyone. So this is a dream of big tech. They are tired of just creating software that lives in your phone or your computer. They've seen the limits to growth of, you know, what you can do in your phone or in your computer. They want to get inside your body. They also want to digitize the Internet of things that, you know, the environment is sort of a separate but related issue,

but they are longing to get inside your body. Two things keep them. Nuremberg-type laws saying, you know, affirmative consent and HIPAA, which is a federal law that gives you data privacy about your medical records. So that data, if she can get us all to plug our bodies into the cloud, right? That is the wild west. That's the gold rush for big tech. Now, what does her appointment as Surgeon General have to do with that?

Now, let's say tomorrow she's no longer Surgeon General. Wouldn't she be able to do this anyway? Wouldn't people go for this anyway, potentially? Well, they're not going for it. But you think that if she were Surgeon General, it gives it kind of an imprimatur that it's okay? So this is what happens if you're a Surgeon General. You get to promote biometric harvesting products.

And her brother, Kelly Means, also has a company that does biometric harvesting. including brain waves, right, and blood samples and saliva samples, which have your DNA, right? So she is able to use the bully pulpit, the way surgeon generals have done to do things like end smoking, but she could use the bully pulpit to push all of us plugging in our bodies to the cloud, right, under, you know, various forms. Okay, so clearly this is horrific. The question is, why are more people, and I'll say again, RFK Jr., for example, not horrified by this? Well, let me say the other two things you can do a search in general, then I'll answer your question. You also can, and this is the goal, right, you can create structures that move data management

from government software to third-party private software. And this is what happened with the CDC under Biden. and they were using illegally third-party software and NGOs to manage CDC data outside the protections of the government. That breaks the privacy, but it also lets those third parties monetize that data. And that's what you can do as search in general with all of the government's kind of public health data, right? And then lastly, you can— Okay, hang on. We're going to—we'll be right back with that thought and other thoughts. Don't go away, folks.

Before I continue my conversation with Naomi Wolf, which I will in the next segment at the top of hour two. I want to mention a couple of things because we didn't mention it at the beginning of the show. So before we get back to Naomi, I want to mention our campaign with Christian Solidarity International. This is a big deal. I've been sharing about it on the program. we have an opportunity. If you're listening to me on this program, every one of us has an opportunity to be modern day abolitionists,

not just to add, actually it's more than being a modern day abolitionist. Abolitionists advocate against slavery. We have the opportunity actually to free slaves. And we've done this every year with CSI. They have connections in Sudan. And this is one of these amazing things. I've never been to Africa, much less to Sudan. The things that go on in the world, horrible, horrible things.

We know that in the 90s, many, many Christians were enslaved by radical Muslims. And when the UN got involved and ended that war, they did not. free those who had already been enslaved. So we get to do that because of CSI because they're already there and this is what they do. And we've talked about it on the program. They trade cattle vaccines with these Falani tribesmen. They do all kinds of things to free these slaves and then to bring them, to walk them to a new territory into a life of freedom. and then they set them up in a life of freedom.

We've talked about it with Kevin McCullough on the program and with Todd Chapman. And the only thing that remains is for you to help us. So in order to do that, you go to metaxis talk.com. The website, it's actually our radio website, metaxis talk.com. The top of the page, you will see a banner. You click on the banner. And once you click on the banner, you see all the different options. and the details.

There's all kinds of details, things I'm not sharing here. But there are a number of ways to give. I say, just to be clear, every $250 that anyone gives, so you can give a fraction of that, whatever. But every $250 frees a slave and sets that person up in a life of freedom, it's a big deal. So some people can give monthly. Maybe that's easier.

But we'd love you to do that. It's amazing to me that we can, do this and I invite everybody to get involved, to be a part of this great thing. So metaxis talk.com is the website. Some of you would prefer the banners right at the top of the page. Some of you would prefer to call. The number for that is 888-253-3522. 888-253-3522. I, I, I just cannot say enough about that. Now, before we get back to Naomi Wolf, she and I are talking about stuff that is very heavy with tremendous implications. One of the things that I don't know if we're going to get into it or maybe we'll get into it with her another time, but the idea that people

could have all of your medical data could track you. That was part of the thing with the vaccine that are they injecting things into us where they can track. crack us. I mean, this is like a Chinese slave state nightmare between facial recognition and, you know, it is incredible that we live at a time where technology can do great things and it can do incredibly evil things. And so I thank God for people like Naomi Wolf sounding the alarm because, you know what? We've missed it in the past. We can miss it again. So in a couple of seconds, we'll be back with Naomi Wolf. In hour two, we have an amazing miracle Monday story. In the meantime, please go to metaxis talk.com. Click on the banner at the top of the page.

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