The Eric Metaxas Show - Naomi Wolf and Dr. Ben Carson

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

Naomi Wolf discusses the shifting educational philosophies of her alma mater, Yale University. Dr. Ben Carson shares his latest book, "The Perilous Fight: Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family".

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the bus to point C will be coming right by. And now here's your Ralph Cramden of the Airways, Eric Matt, Texas. Folks, welcome the program. It is my joy to have as my guest, Naomi Wolf. Naomi, welcome back. Thanks so much for having me, Eric. I'm so glad to speak with you again. It is always fun to talk to you for many reasons.

I think one of which is that we can talk about many different types of things. things. So let me start with the most banal thing. Our Yale reunion, our 40th Yale reunion is coming up. I am on the record as saying I couldn't bear to go. I feel like it represents everything that I have come to speak out against. You are thinking you might actually go. You're far braver or crazier could be a combination of the two as well than I. What do you think? Yeah, it's, I mean, I'm up in the air. I definitely, as you know, agree with you that that place which started out in so many ways, so hopefully in our lives, we're both Class 84, so self-professedly about Luxe Bairitas, light and truth, and the liberal arts tradition and humanism and intellectual opening

inquiry has turned into a cesspit of tyranny and becoming a mouthpiece for China and HHS and the globalists and all the evil that we are fighting every day. The last time I was on the Yale campus actually was to try to fight against these brutal mandates. They were mandating a booster that had been tested on eight rats for the kids, but not for the faculty or the administration. evil. Whether the kids had had COVID or not, whether they'd already been boosted or not, they were mandating it. And it was catastrophic. And then I found out that they now get more money from HHS than they do from tuition. So they're literally trafficking the bodies of the children of the students for money. But all of that aside, I am also intrigued by going to the reunion.

I haven't made a complete decision, partly because I'm a cultural critic and I want to see what's become of that institution, partly because I just want to see what happened and reconnect with people I actually liked from long ago. And the last thing I'll say, having said that, I looked at the agenda and that in turn made me not want to go because when we went there, Eric, it was still, you know, Yale, right, in the sense that. every gathering was not segmented by race, gender, or sexual orientation. And there were, you know, we would go to events and there was a diversity of students from all over. And that was the exciting part was getting to meet people who are all different. The agenda now, I don't know if you've looked, but it's like, here's the cocktail party for Asian American Yalys. And here's the cocktail party for LGBTQ Yalys. And here's the cocktail party for African American Yalys. And literally, you don't know if you're going to be welcome.

if you're not gay, Asian, or black or whatever it is. And it's just a heartbreaking segmentation of the community and set of divisions. Well, that's just one example of the lunacy. What else do you call it, Naomi? It's lunacy. Utter madness, worse than madness. It's despicable. But the thing is, we were there at a time when all of this stuff was well underway.

There was still, I mean, look, Buckley wrote his book, God and Man at Yale. about the Yale of the late 40s. And in that book, he talks about how the faculty were, you know, effectively communist, atheists. I mean, this was a big part of the intellectual elite world, but they weren't going to broadcast it, you know, that this is who Yale is. And so, but he writes that book about the Yale of the late 40s. When we were there, I mean, you had Harold Bloom fighting what he called, you know, the grievance industry or the school. of grievance, the literary. So this was being fought in the early 80s when we were there, it was already there. Look, Jacques Derrida was brought to the campus. I somehow,

even though I was an English major, I missed most of this nonsense. You know, I didn't realize what was happening around me, but it was already there and it made possible what's happening now. I mean, this has just been moving incrementally, but it was certainly there. while we were there. I just think that one was able, to some extent, to avoid it or to miss it while we were there. Yeah, it was, in retrospect, a minefield ideologically, for those of your audience who are not familiar, understandably, with Jacques Derrida, he was sort of the high priest of post-structuralism. And what that was, in retrospect, was a thoroughly Marxist anti-Western theory that basically made the case that meaning doesn't exist. that all truth is relative and that there's no author, right?

So there's no canon, so there's no culture. That's what shock deri da was. When he says there's no author, meaning there's no author of any work of literature, that it sort of just exists. But I mean, you know, I've come to see now that this stuff is not only corrosive and pernicious, but it's ultimately nealistic to the point of satanic.

There's something very, very dark when you say there is no meaning, there is no truth. Where can that possibly go, but the death camps of one kind or another? I don't see where else it could go. You're absolutely right. I mean, well, the first thing it does is it shatters. And in retrospect, this has happened since the Armory Show, right? Which I'm re-evaluating.

I'm laughing. The idea that you would bring up the Armory Show, please tell my audience the Armory Show. What was it, 11? 13. Okay. I would need to double check. but, you know, right around there. So, I mean, your audience is probably familiar with the basic outlines of what happened in modern art

at about the turn of the 20th century into the first and second decade of the 20th century. What had been a very rigorous classical tradition, even though it had waves of variation like, you know, Baroque and you know, impressionist, it had a through line of like revering the human body and celebrating nature and having classical references going back to Greece and Rome. And all of that was turned upside down in the first couple of decades of the 20th century by movements like Dada, which again, like Jacques Derry Dost celebrated the nonsensical, right? The fur-lined toilet, for instance. You're not. Excuse me. It was a urinal for men only. Yeah. And then also the Armory Show, it always seemed suspect to me because allegedly the wives of a group of industrialists, of course, these ladies had no power, no money, no will of their own to do anything at that time. But allegedly, the wives of group of industrialists got together and took over the New York Armory, which is a gigantic building, and hosted an exhibit.

of the most avant-garde art at that time. And, you know, many of them turned out to be what are considered the great artists of the 20th century. But people were shocked, and they were existentially shocked because it was that deconstruction. It was like new descending staircase, as I recall it. Well, hang on, just for context, because I want people to be true, this is very important. I mean, you know, I was just saying how things had gone south dramatically in the early 80s when we were at Yale. So you still had this, you know, surface level of normalcy or whatever. Going back to 19, whatever it was, the Armory Show, 1913, roughly in New York, the idea that, you know, and avant-garde is kind of the nice term for it.

But the idea that these concepts, these trends were being pushed dramatically by elites a 110 years ago. It is amazing. takes a long time for this stuff to trickle down into the culture. But just before we go to the break here, I just want to say how amazing it is, Naomi, for you to go back to that and to realize, yes, we had Dada. I mean, what was that? Who was behind that? It really was anti-meaning. And I did find out, oh, shall I wait till after the break? I got to. Actually, what the heck? Let's wait until after the break. I always, it's difficult to cram things in in a few seconds.

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dramatically, forcefully pushing forward the ideas of meaninglessness, nonsense. It's hard for us to think, you know, we might associate this with the 60s in some ways. I mean, I always find it fascinating how these ideas start in elite culture and it takes decades for them to work their way down into more popular culture and then eventually to everywhere, to, you know, kindergarten for our kids. But go back. You were just going to talk about the provenance, I think, of the Dadaist movement. Yeah. Well, I also used to believe that culture was organic and that things would start at the margins like the Dadaists or the post-impressionists or the abstract expressionists of the 50s and then would trickle their way up or that the elites would adopt them and they would trickle their way up. or that the elites would adopt them and they would trickle their way down in an organic way.

But now I'm convinced that, you know, culture is manufactured. We're seeing it being manufactured. Certain people are pushed. Certain people are silenced. And that this has gone on for a long time. And it's making me look back on the whole 20th century. You know, I've talked about this and really reconsider things movements like Dada. Like it's just not organic that out of the blue with this whole classical tradition, people would say, yes, let's,

have free verse and get rid of rhyme. Let's have, you know, the fur-lined urinal when we've got the most extraordinary, when, you know, Rodin is making the most beautiful art down the street. It just isn't organic. And then I'm reflecting on people like Mark Rothko and Rauschenberg and Jackson Pollock in thinking those people were being pushed so aggressively in the post-war period. when there was a risk that we would kind of go back to our classical roots, back to our European art historical tradition. All of that seems suspect to me. It's all meaningless. I want to explore this further, but I just want to point out to folks, if you're interested in exploring the world of modern art,

when you reference Rothko, Rauschenberg, Motherwell, all of this stuff that I just think is horrible and which, you know, it's a few blocks from where I'm sitting in museums. but there's a book written by the late great Thomas, Tom Wolfe called The Painted Word, very short book, under 100 pages, and it is the definitive takedown. It's an astonishing, short, brilliant, brilliant book called The Painted Word by Tom Wolfe. But what you're saying, Naomi, this is interesting to me. I remember, you know, I didn't grow up in Greenwich Village as you did or among cultural elites.

when I went to Yale, kind of getting the memo, especially being in the humanities, that, oh, we don't like this. We make fun of Longfellow. We sneer at Norman Rockwell, representational art, anything that's patriotic, anything that's beautiful. We sneer at beauty. Beauty is a patriarchal concept. I, you know, I drank that Kool-Aid at Yale, but it was pushed so strongly that this is the stuff we admire. This is this stuff we don't admire. And if you want to be part of the in crowd, you go along with this. And it kind of speaks to what we're talking about is how is it that certain people with a lot of money and a lot of influence and power, they can push ideas and they can say you'll be rewarded for going along with this because it goes to the vaccine.

You know, when you talk about Yale taking money from, who was it, HHS, I'm sorry, I couldn't remember who you said. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Right. How this stuff works. And those what the incentives are, Sometimes it's clear. Sometimes it's not so clear. You have some people that are just openly wicked. You have other people just kind of going along and participating in the wickedness. But when we're talking about the denigration

of the classical tradition of art, centuries long, and how that works. And it is, you know, I bring it back to the Armory Show 110 years ago, kind of amazing that far back, you could have these anti-meaning elites pushing the idea, these preposterous ideas, and people being told basically, you need to go along with this. If you don't go along with this, you're not cool. You know, it's before the word cool was invented, but that's the same concept. Absolutely. And, you know,

let's take a look at what these same people did soon thereafter and what they're, the next generation did. These robber barons, specifically John D. Rockefeller, in the middle of the teens coordinated all of the medical schools in America and changed the face of medicine. So there was a systematizing and directing of major institutions in our society by these same people in parallel lines.

And in the 30s and 40s, these same people are their descendants, tried to stage a coup, a Mussolini-type coup against the United States that Smedley Butler revealed. They wanted fascism in America. Fascism, totalitarianism. They wanted it. And so it's we should, it is not a conspiracy theory that elites have targeted culture. They've targeted medicine. They've targeted the government. And so we really do need to look at how they've targeted culture. They're targeting culture now. But to go back to one of the culprits. I was very stunned to find in a book about Bauhaus in the Netherlands, where I was staying in a

hotel in Amsterdam, that it was actually the communist party that was sending in the 20s kind of emissaries to Western Europe and embedding them almost as what my husband would call assets basically as as almost intelligence operatives in artistic community. and in architectural communities to push this meaningless art or this deconstructed art and also to push Bauhaus, which is the kind of industrial style, streamlined form of architecture that makes cities so bleak and that did away with the beautiful or neat classical architecture of the teens right up to Art Deco. They just got rid of all of that by pushing Bauhaus, which then became the international

style, which has just ruined every city in which we live now in the West. And the theme to me, and this is where it becomes unavoidably spiritual, it's a rage against God in that it's a rage against those of us made in the image of God. There's something decidedly anti-human, not just inhuman, but anti-human. If something's beautiful, we have to destroy it. Beauty has, has, has much been attacked by the folks that we're talking about. In other words, why would you create buildings that rather than inspire and ennoble seem to crush? I mean, brutalism is the best example of that.

When you think of the city hall in Boston, one of the most ugly, it's worse than ugly. It's somehow demeaning just to walk near it. It just makes you feel like a bug, like an aunt. what the famous Yale historian Scully said about the new Penn Station, right? One strode into the old Penn Station like a god. One scuttles into the new Penn Station like a rat. There seems to be a thread of anti-human embedded in everything we're talking about. I don't see how else to frame it.

No, you're absolutely right. And, you know, it's not the first time like the church. I mean, no disrespect, Eric, but the Catholic Church has used architecture to influence people's psychological states, right, to its own advantage. The pyramids, no doubt, influence, use architecture to influence people's psychological states. I mean, it's not, that's one role of architecture and art is to shape the reaction of people who are inhabiting it or approaching. it for better or worse, right? But isn't that the whole point? Of course, everything can affect everything.

That's the role of arts. And then the question is, what do you do with this power? And so, and, you know, I'm not Catholic, but I'm saying like I, I have been awed by walking into medieval cathedrals that if I didn't believe in God, I would have said there's something here that makes me want to believe that there's more than just material. So, yes, how one uses these things. But I guess why would people, you know, and we're talking about the last century or so, want to create things that make human beings feel like nothing? I mean, that's just interesting to me, to be anti- Beauty, to be anti-

Totally, because it's a tool of war, right? It's a tool of warfare. Look at what China, always look at China, right? China, the first thing that the communists did when they wanted to take over the country and remold people's, minds was destroyed the art, destroy the literature of the thousands of years of this very, very advanced civilization that would otherwise give people meaning and a sense of individuality. Same thing in Tibet. You know, when the Chinese took over Tibet, they destroyed religion and they destroyed the

artworks of the Buddhist tradition. Stalin, you know, Hitler destroyed what he called degenerate art, but it's also art that showed a different point of view than the art that he supported, which is Nazi art. So the brutalism that we see around us is designed to crush our Western sensibilities, crush humanism, and the individual. Yeah. We're talking to Naomi Wolf. We'll be right back. For 10 years, Patriot Mobile has been America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. and when I say only trust me they're the only one. Glenn and the team have been great supporters of this show,

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is as we're talking about this stuff, it struck me that, you know, Lewis and Tolkien, both of whom were Christian, Tolkien, Catholic, Lewis, Church of England. But they wrote, to my mind, what is the greatest literature of the 20th century. But it was so denigrated. I mean, when I think of being at Yale, C.S. Lewis never would have been mentioned. But the point is that because it's popular, because it's sort of for everyone, because it's not impossible to comprehend or you need this, you know, group of elites to explain to you what you're looking at.

But Lewis was on to this, and he writes about it in the abolition of man. And he writes about it in another way. He wrote something called the Space Trilogy. It's not really a space trilogy, but the third book is called That Hidious Strength, where he, I mean, in a book written in the 40s, it's like he's writing about what we're going through right now.

It's chilling to me that what a prophetic voice his was. but how it's just so funny that, you know, when he was at Oxford and then at Cambridge, how denigrated he was because he appreciated mainly the classical tradition and he was writing on a popular level. So this is just something that we've been going through for such a long time. No, looking back, it's extraordinary. I mean, who are the great, you know, held up as the great writers? And, I mean, they are great writers, but how many great writers do we not know who have been

kind of sidelined and erased because like Lewis, well, the reason he was mocked is that he was a Christian, right? Like that that was why he was derided and seen as a second class writer. But, you know, Ulysses, it's a great work of art. It's also meaningless writer. It doesn't follow classical norms of meaning. Or D.H. Lawrence, who's introducing a whole pagan sensibility instead of Christians. or Judeo-Christian sensibilities, a whole, going back to, you know, the feathered serpent and Latin America and, you know, sacrificial pagan worship. That was, you know, celebrated. But think how that was pushed. I mean, I don't know if it was your experience, but when I was at Yale, that stuff was pushed so hard.

And I just have contempt for Ulysses, much less Finnegan's wake. I mean, it doesn't strike me as anything that I would ever want to read at this point. But D.H. Lawrence, there were certain names. that were pushed like crazy. No, God, God doesn't exist. Beckett, Samuel Beckett. Yeah. Go on and on.

But, yeah, no, the people who told a story and believed in God were being definitely put up in the attic, like outmoded furniture. And we were definitely taught that they were not very impressive or important. Well, I mean, I think for me, the classic case, is Longfellow as a poet. His poem, Paul Revere's ride, when I finally discovered it, I don't know, 15 years ago to really look at it, I said, this is so beautiful. It's brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

And of course, it's patriotic. Right. But it's so beautiful. And to think the way that he has been, you know, it's like Stalin has just whitewashed him out of the picture. He doesn't exist. And anything like that, it doesn't exist. And I think part of the way back, if we can crawl out of this abyss of meaninglessness,

is, you know, through the classical tradition and through some of these authors who revered, nobody, no Christian ever revered the classical tradition more than C.S. Lewis. And he's criticized by that. Sorry, you know what we should do just before I sadly have to sign off. We should create a reading list, you know, a counter cultural. reading list. I mean, I'm sure they exist, but I think you and I could come up with a good list of authors and even maybe visual artists who are meaningful in the classical tradition. And since I was speaking to you, I would love to include Oscar Wilde in that list of authors.

There are so many great, great people that either aren't read anymore or they're read for the wrong reasons. That's a great idea. Now, Naomi, I didn't know we'd have so little time. I want to talk to you. You've got two minutes left or last. a minute, the vaccine, anything that we've learned recently? Well, since I last talked to AstraZeneca was cold from the market in Europe for thrombotic thrombocytopinia, which my team reported in 2022 was a side effect of the vaccines. And I guess the other piece of big news is that I apologize for my dog's barking. I'm not sure what's going on over there.

The other big news is that there's a. case that Mark Stein, the commentator brought against Offcom, which is the UK British media regulator. And they had gone after Mark Stein for a show. He was brave enough to put on interviewing me about reproductive damage from the vaccines, all of it accurate and proven now by multiple studies. And even though AstraZeneca has been pulled from the market, in Britain, they're still on June 11th going to have a trial, a hearing, and I guess called an interested witness in this case. So that's really important. And I hope off-com backs off with their tail between their legs. If not, I'm not sure what Mark Stein can get,

monetary damages or indication, but it's shocking that he had to go through this and be punished professionally for having reported truly something of a matter of great public interest. Well, many of us have been going through similar things. It's where we are. It's one of the reasons I admire you so much. Naomi Wolf, thank you for being my guest. Thanks for having me, Eric. Where the American church is now to where the German church stood in the face of the Nazi regime are unavoidable and grim.

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I don't think I need to introduce him. Dr. Carson, welcome. Always good to be with you. Thank you so much. I'm very excited to talk to you. and very excited to see that you have a book out. Tell us about the book. It is called the perilous fight.

That sounds familiar. Right. Right. From the Star Spangled Banner, we were born in the crucible of war, and we've had the fight for the freedoms that we have. And we're in that fight once again. There's a cultural war,

particularly on the American family. And when you think about it, you know, if somebody wanted to suppress the United States, let's say get us out of the way. They wouldn't be able to do it militarily. So they do it from within. And when you come within, you look for the basic foundational element of a strong society. That's our families.

So there's been a persistent war on the American family for a number of decades now. It's really become very apparent at this point. But it's been going on for quite some time. and, you know, I demonstrate in the book some of the things that have happened over the decades. If you look back at the congressional record January to 10, 1963, you'll see where Congressman Hurlong of Florida read into the congressional record, the 45 goals of communism in America, to fundamentally change us. And most of those things are going on right now, taking over the public school systems, the teaching, future unions, the media, particularly television and Hollywood, changing people's perceptions, removing God from everything, driving wedges between parents and children.

The list goes on making sexual perversion, normal, natural, and healthy. It's quite comprehensive what they've tried to do, and we think we won the Cold War, but I'm not so sure that's the case. Listen, I'm very familiar with what you're talking about, and it is absolutely astonishing, because here you have the communists wanting to take over, and they are very successfully doing so at this juncture. If we do not win this election in November and fight with everything we have after that, we're losing the nation. You know it and I know it. We are in a war.

It's an existential crisis that we're in right now, and we're in. And I applaud you not just for your efforts, but for seeing it and calling it what it is. The perilous fight, which is the title of your book, absolutely sums up where we are. What is your sense of how we get through this, whether we can get through this? What gives you hope? Well, we can get through it if we know that we're in a fight, number one, and we know who the enemy is. And that was really the purpose of the book. What gives me hope is I go around to a lot of universities.

with Turning Point USA. We have to turn away hundreds of students. I mean, they are ready. And they know that the pathway that we're on is not going to be good for their future. And they're looking for answers, and we have to provide them. The perilous fight, it's just interesting

because that's a great title. When did you decide that you needed to write a book? Well, because I was saying that people are either intimidated it. They're afraid. They just keep their mouth shut. And of course, you can't be the land of the free if you're not the home of the brave. Or they were ignorant, one or the other. And I feel we've got to really get out there and start beating the drum. We've got to get people to recognize that freedom is not free, that chip to fight for it. That's what Reagan met when he said it's never more than one

generation away from us. And if you're observant at all, and you see what's going on with our society, you know it's spiraling downward very quickly. Do you have a sense of what a second Trump administration would bring to this country? Do you have a sense that the president understands what he missed the first time around? Well, President Trump learned a lot in the first time around, but he really loves our country. He didn't have to do this. He already was as famous as anybody in the world, already had a ton of money. He did this because he loved it.

our country. And a second term would mean that we become energy independent. We have borders that are secure once again. We get inflation under control. We get crime back to the place where we're more concerned about the victim than we are about the perpetrator of the crime. You know, there's a whole series of things that will be a continuation of what happened in this first term, which was very successful. Some people don't want to admit it, but it was tremendously successful compared to what's going on now. Well, compared to what's going on right now, anything is successful. This presidency makes Jimmy Carter look like Ronald Reagan.

Let's be honest. There's never been a clearer contrast in the history of our nation. I mean, there's just the contrast between Carter and Reagan is nothing compared to the contrast between Biden and Trump. You were in the first administration. Would you want to be in the second administration if the president calls on you? Would you be willing to step in? I will pray seriously about it.

And I will do everything in my power, both either inside or outside of the administration, to save our country. Well, I think that, you know, telling people that we're in a war, that is the key. And it strikes me that every day people are becoming aware more and more, every single day that we really are in a war, that there's no question about it. And that if you don't know you're in a war, as you said, you can't fight. I think people are waking up every day because of the horrors that we've seen. I know we just have a minute left. What could be done, in your view, you know, to get us out of where we are. are. What are the practical things that are needed to be done? Well, the most important thing is to renew our faith. We need a revival in this country. The things that made us great for our faith, our sense of community, our sense of liberty and freedom for people and our love for life. We need to rekindle those fires and proclaim them loudly. And don't listen to the people who told you since you were a child. There are two things not to talk about, politics and religion.

those are exactly what we need to be talking about because the people who are trying to change us work best in darkness. They don't want the light shined on them. I love it. The book, folks, is called The Periless Fight. Dr. Carson, just talking to you gives me hope for the nation. Thank you for all you've done and will do by God's grace. Thank you so much. Thank you for being a patriot. Hey folks, our friends at Americans for Prosperity are at it again. Actually, they're now on the front lines fighting the border crisis. The politicians aren't going to solve this problem on their own.

It's kind of going to take some good old-fashioned grassroots activism. And that's what APF specializes in, which is to say good old-fashioned grassroots activism. So Americans for Prosperity Foundation has taken hundreds of concerned citizens to see the border for themselves, turning them into informed activists. Americans for Prosperity knows what we need. For example, more border agents, more walls, more technology. That's what makes Americans for Prosperity unique. They do the tough work of organizing, mobilizing everyday Americans to make a difference.

That's you and me. In fact, they've just announced a major campaign to hold Biden and his allies accountable for the crisis at the border. Learn more at SecureBorder, SecureAmerica.com. that's secure border, secure America.com. Speaking of friends of the Eric Metaxas show, the Herzog Foundation exists to catalyze and accelerate the development of quality Christ-centered K-12 education.

Their vision is for families and culture to flourish through quality Christian education, making the ecosystems of Christian education more accessible and sustainable for families across the nation. I think that's you. Their mission will be lived out by providing programs such as online content, up-to-date news, training and events, grants, hands-on organizational improvement initiatives.

We've talked to them many times. We'll continue to talk to them, but you can check them out at Herzog Foundation.com. Herzogfoundation.com. Yeah, we had Chris Stigal on from them. He was terrific. I tell you, it's just great to partner with folks like them, with Americans for Prosperity.

There's so many different people involved in, you know, saving the world. basically. Genevieve on recently, too. She was tremendous. Genevieve Collins. Yeah. No, it's, honestly, I get, you know, we need hope. And I guess these folks, the ones I just mentioned who are sponsors on the program, they give me hope. Also, they're helping others, you know, they're helping Americans figure out how do I get it done? How do I get involved? And, you know, because we all need to be involved. I keep talking about that. I talked about it. in my book if you can keep it. Because it's our job to keep the Republic. This is not something that, again, how did we get to where we are?

We kind of drifted into thinking like, well, I don't need to do that. It'll just take care of itself. The Constitution is the Constitution and, you know. Part of what we do on the show is highlighting stories of people that are getting involved that are doing things and also giving people like me, I'm a little guy, the opportunity to help out with people that are doing things in other places like CSI, rolling up their sleeves, and we can partner with them and actually make a difference. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Okay, speaking of making a difference, two things before I go. I want you to mention our

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And people often ask, well, I don't know, what's reputable, what's good, you know, what this is, it doesn't get better. Go to Metaxistalk.com. You'll see the banner for CSI. I'll give you the phone number. Hey, here's the phone number. 888-253-3522. 888-253-3522. And while I'm at it, let me mention Socrates Plus. Sign up for Socrates plus. It's, oh, I mean, we'll talk about it another time, but I'm so excited that we have created this streaming digital platform. Socrates plus feed your mind, folks, feed your mind,

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