The Eric Metaxas Show - Naomi Wolf - Part 4

Episode Date: February 17, 2023

Naomi Wolf continues sharing her experience with writer's block and how that led to an extraordinary spiritual encounter.

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Folks, welcome to the program. Very special hour one. This is the conclusion of my conversation. An amazing conversation. Wait till you hear the rest of this with Naomi Wolf. You really can't miss this, folks. So this is, again, this is the conclusion of my long conversation. We played a lot of it on Tuesday, some of it yesterday on Wednesday.

This is the conclusion of my conversation with Naomi Wolf. You don't want to miss this. You can see the whole thing on Rumble. and I ask you please to share it. Thank you. And we're talking about everything. Truth, non-truth, good, evil. You were just sharing something, being vulnerable

and sharing that you some years ago had this experience, but that it did affect you. It's interesting to me. And do you mind talking about how it affected you? No, I should. I feel like I have to talk about it. No, because it's like I don't keep secrets from my audience. I've taken them on my whole journey, but I've kept this secret because I don't want to be slotted into a theological slot by anyone or exploited in any way.

But yeah, so I was, okay, I'll just tell you, I was having writer's block. It was a book about actually paradoxically about female sexuality. And I was thinking, I can't write this. You know, it's too embarrassing. It's too shameful. And so I was just wandering down a street in Portland and it said like hypnotherapy. And I'm like, okay, maybe that'll help. So this woman I've never met before put me in a light meditative state.

My mom's a hypnotherapist, so that's not unfamiliar to me. And she had me, as I mentioned, you know, visualize walking down these steps. And then she said, open the door. And so I opened a door and, you know, and there was someone I recognized as Jesus, right? And obviously we're surprised. Well, no, I wasn't surprised. You weren't? No, I wasn't.

I was incredibly happy. Like there's a recording of this. and I'm like weeping. I'm so happy. It's like, this is something I've been waiting for my whole life without knowing it. I was just... You knew it was real. You knew somehow that this was... It's like more than real. It was like, oh, there you are. Well, people would wonder why somebody who takes pains to describe herself as Jewish would say, oh, there you are to the appearance of. of Jesus. Well, I mean, I wasn't in a conscious, I wasn't in my conscious mind, right? I was, I, you know, I think humans have many levels of awareness. I was not like cognitively thinking,

oh, no, I can't do this. I'm Jewish. That came later. Trust me. But in this moment, it was just like, the metaphor I use is my mom has very bright red hair and she wears, she carries a parasol. And so you can see her from blocks away downtown in the village when she used to live there. And it's like, I would see my mom from far away and go, oh, that's my mom. You know, it was like that. It's like, oh, there you are. There's, there you are. Right.

But there you are in a comforting way. Just the best thing that ever could be. More than comforting. I mean, you know, I can't describe it. It's like this dimension of, well, first of all, it was very humble, right? He was sitting on a bench and we, you know, it was like an interior in the old city, like a workshop. I mean, but like very down details of. wooden dowels instead of nails kind of thing like very detailed dirt floor barefoot and he was

working at a bench and it was just like this but this this being it was so vivid what was really what really struck me was you know how there are halos on in medieval art and you know Byzantine art they didn't capture what there was about him he was absolutely radiant but it was like rays of light coming multidirectionally from him and when he moved you know you could the rays shifted. Like the rays of light were coming in every direction. But it was just a feeling of like absolute, I mean, there's your best friend. There's, you know, the world's best friend. You know, there's sort of the friend to humanity. Yeah, putting it mildly because, you know, these feelings you're describing, it's one thing to see a friend, but it seems like you, so

After this, you said that this affected you somehow permanently, that this was not just... Well, it did. I mean, one, I got, there were like two kind of things I learned in that moment. And again, people describe, like, learning in those moments very intuitively or instantaneously. But, you know, one thing I got was that we are, he is here to co-create with us, right? We are here to co-create with him, you know, the world better. you know, the kingdom of heaven in the world. Right.

Right. And that is the metaphor of the carpenter's shop, right? We're here to help him. He's here to help us co-create a reality that's an alignment with the kingdom of heaven. Like, that's the job. Well, we're made in his image, and I think people often take that lightly. What a big thing that is. He invites us.

See, there is where I pull back a little because I am Jewish, and this experience I had was not, I don't feel like I met God. I feel like I met Jesus, who was of God, right? So, and again, my reluctance. Well, when I said he, I meant God made us in his image, whether you believe that Jesus is God or isn't, just the concept of God invites us to participate. I mean, it's an amazing thing to participate with him in his project. Right.

Well, that is totally the impression, the feeling I had, like humans, can't do it by ourselves. We keep missing the point. We keep misunderstanding. So it's like here. You know, here's like he's here for us to help us, you know, bridge that gap between ourselves and

what God wants for us. He's here for the human project. But in a kind of perfect state. But in a very hopeful state for us because I definitely got the feeling that any human being could be like him, not like him, but could aspire. Like the radiance he had

all of us could have if we loved enough. And how do we do that? Well, I have no idea. I do, but I want to know what you think. Well, that wasn't, I mean, the reason I keep hesitating is I didn't have a theological revelation. I just had an experience of meeting someone. I'd known all my life without realizing it. Like, I definitely had this feeling like he is, he's there for all of us. You know, not Christians, not Jews, he's just there for all of us.

Well, that's what I like about what you're saying, because I think that when people, I love when people describe a spiritual experience not realizing what they're describing. They're just telling you what happened. And what they don't realize, what's happened to me when I hear somebody describe something, they don't have the language. And I know exactly what they're saying. And I know that they don't realize what they're saying. They're just saying what happened. They're just telling me what happened. because ultimately you're talking about reality and truth.

It doesn't have to be theological. Theology is a way of, you know, talking about things. Yeah, well, I very passionately don't want this to be interpreted theologically because I didn't get made into a Christian. Right, well, you don't believe he's God. I guess this language is not adequate for what I experienced. Interesting. Like he's, and those labels are kind of,

of respectfully not the point of what I experienced. Right. The point of what I experienced was a promise and a hope that was embodied to every human being that we could love perfectly and we could create the kingdom of God on earth with the help of this guy that is perfect that God sent us, yes. Yeah. But I mean, not like, oh, I'm going to worship you perfect, but like, oh, thank you, God, you sent me such a friend that is beyond anything I could imagine.

that's in a human-ish manifestation. How inconvenient that that friend would be Jesus. Totally, but that came later. I mean, as soon as I was conscious again, I was like, oh, no, no, that is not what I want. And the reason I think this is, you know, I knew it was a real experience of some kind at the time, but I know that the reality of it counts more strongly for me because I didn't want it, and I was very upset by it for years. I was very, very upset by it.

went to rabbi after rabbi and minister after minister and Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox and Catholic and Protestant and, you know, Kabad. I met with so many people to say, what was this? How can I be okay about this? You know, I'm very upset. I felt like an adulterer. You know, I felt like I was being unfaithful to my faith. And it's not till, it was only one rabbi who kind of gave me a blessing, but he did. Rabbi Salman Shachter Shalomi said, you know, go. It's, It's fine. It's okay. We'll be right back. We're talking to Naomi Wolf. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis and they have no clue how to fix it. Oil prices have skyrocketed. And when oil prices go up, the cost of transportation and shipping spikes, leading the prices of goods to rise.

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to your house. Call Legacy at 866-528-1903 or visit them online at LegacyPMinvestments.com. Welcome back talking to Naomi Wolfe about stuff. It's funny, Naomi, because what you were just describing, I think, I mean, listen, because I live in New York, I know tons of people who are ethnically Jewish, who've accepted Jesus as Messiah and worship Him as God and all that stuff, right? So to me, that idea that, I'm ethnically this, or I have to be careful or whatever. I mean, in a funny way, I feel like I experienced that in the Greek community, because I was raised in Greek Orthodox Church.

And when I accepted Jesus the way that I did in 1988, they kind of acted like I had left their tribe or something like that. And I thought, what are you talking about? Like, God is God. So, you know, the only question is this real or what, you know. but you have obviously a history. Your people have a history, obviously, where people who call themselves Christians

have treated Jews in horrifying ways. And so, yeah, I think that happens sometimes. People act like, well, I can't go there. But obviously, all of the first people who were what Jesus were Jews, like literally all. Right. So I don't know. I guess I don't see the...

I've concluded, like, it's been a very painful journey, right? And I'm sure it's just beginning and there's more pain ahead. But again, I want to stress, I didn't... Like, I think God can send whoever God wants to anyone in whatever guys, it makes sense. And I think Jesus can do whatever he wants, you know, to show up in people's hearts, however, makes sense at that moment for them. But I guess what I'm trying to say is I didn't, again, I didn't experience that I was in the presence of God. I experienced that I was in the presence of someone God sent who was of God, right? And so I don't know, like it's so fraught to say, what does it mean I've accepted Jesus into my life?

what is Jesus for me. I'm still super Jewish, right? But I'm asking questions like this, right? I mean, you know, Jesus came to a Jewish community, to reform Judaism, his first disciples were Jewish, and the whole difficulty that we as Jews have comes from the establishment of a church with a lot of credos that do go against Judaism, right? And so I don't necessarily believe in the Nicene, you know, creed. I don't necessarily believe in the Nicene, you know, creed. I don't. necessarily believe in the Trinity. I don't necessarily believe in all those things that, you know, in Christianity doesn't agree with Christianity.

There are a million sects. All the 2,000 years of ecclesiastical history that followed Jesus' death, I'm not interested in personally, respectfully. I am really interested in that rabbi. And I'm also asking questions like, and I don't see why if God could send the Jews

Elijah and God could send the Jews Moses, I don't see why he couldn't send the Jews Jesus to help them and human beings. right and kind of expand the brief and um but you explained him as being perfect you wouldn't say that of elijah or moses oh i don't know i think you're asking the wrong questions respectfully i do that was just one question i know so what do you mean well i know but i'm saying that there's a uniqueness as you've described it and it doesn't i haven't to any necessary necessarily lead to any conclusions

but i'm saying that elijah's one thing and moses is one thing but the way you just described Jesus and who he is historically or who he's taken as, you know, yeah, I can see that that would be more disturbing. It would have been nicer if he sent you, Elijah. Oh, I see what you're saying. Less troubling. It was very distressing. I mean, to this minute, it's distressing, right? It's not who I expected to see, for sure. But I guess what I mean is the feeling I got from this person or being or manifestation of God, like we don't have language for it, right? But also, I can't stress it. enough in everyone's heart if they want, right? It's like he's here for the human project, right?

He's here to help us with God. He's here to help God with a human project. Like there's this sense. But that's what I believe. Okay. Then that's fine. But what do you think? I mean, I don't understand what you think. I feel like you have some caricature of Christian faith in your mind that you're, in other words, I don't know what you think. What, what, what, what, I mean, I've actually said, like in a speech or a sermon, a speech someplace, like Jesus is for everyone, not just for Christians. And I'm making that point pointedly. Uh-huh. Well, yeah, I agree with you about that from what I experienced for sure. Like, that was the feeling I got. But I guess where I hesitated is, you know, if you're saying,

well, he's not Elijah, he's not Moses. I've never had any kind of experience of feeling like I'm encountering Elijah or Moses, so I don't know, right? But for sure, I cannot imagine a more perfected mixture of human and divine, right, for sure. I'm with you on that. Okay. That's pretty standard. But that's not the same theologically. Like when people say, you know, this, you know, worship Jesus, right?

I can't go there, right? because we worship God, and it's not like they're separate. They're connected. They're on a spectrum in what I experienced, but it would not be proper to worship. But that would like be talking about Mary or, in other words, if somebody says to me, this is an incredibly holy person, Mary, any of the saints, right? I would say I would not worship them. I would be in awe of them because they have a particular level of holiness.

But there's still human beings just like me. And obviously, I don't feel that way about Jesus. Standard Christian doctrine would say, well, yes, he was 100% human, but he differed from all of the humanity and that God sent him. In other words, that's what it gets into the theology of it. But I'm saying that, you know, to what I would certainly shrink from worshiping anyone other than God. Gotcha. Well, all this being said, the only place I have any comfort at all in describing this experience is not venturing into any theology and just subjectively saying this is what I experienced and it did change my life. Right.

And in what sense? What do you mean? Well, there's one more kind of takeaway, if you like, that came with this, which was I had a sense of our lives are like the needle in a record. or some sort of like technology like that, like gramophone, metaphysically, of course, in which if you're aligned with God's will, you're aligned with kind of the grooves, then there will be challenges, there will be hurdles, but you'll go through them in a state of blessedness,

and the blessings can kind of come without restriction. But if you, I mean, really what I got was there is no such thing as lying, there's no such thing as stealing, there's no such thing as murder, because there's no concealing anything, right? Jesus said this and God said it, right? But for sure, like I was being shown like the technology of there's no such thing as concealing any harm you do. Like if a sparrow falls, you know, the least, what you do to the least of these little ones, right? Woe to you.

Like that is really true because when you like scratch or mar that, you know, those grooves of being aligned with God's will, with each of those negative actions, you're creating your environment. That is karma. That is punishment. It's not like God is punitive or Jesus is punitive. That's not what I experienced. But like, oh, you don't want to do that because you're creating your environment, this dissonant music that goes with you. That is your record, you know, that is aligned with you. That is what you live in, in which blessings cannot come to you, among other things. You're not protected. And that's why I'm so vocal right now. Like I am exhausted. I have a broken shoulder. I just want to like check out of this whole fight. But I can't because what I see is our whole. culture has chosen to be out of alignment with God's will. And we're bringing, and we think that we can hide from that, we can't hide from it. Like we've created this completely dissonant mess in our, you know, one beautiful, spiritual kind of, like the technology of our souls, really, where everything is recorded. Oh, I mean, yeah, and that's, you know, there's not a syllable you've just said, I mean, that I would disagree with that. That's,

That's where, I mean, that's where it's interesting even to think about God's will, the idea that how foolish we would be to think somehow we could get away with something or we could, that there, of course, there is ultimate justice in the universe. And when you do something wrong, it has an effect because there is this thing called reality and this thing called truth. You can't leap outside of it when you feel like it. but the good news, I would say, of course, is that that's what, to me, what's so beautiful about the idea of Jesus is that he brings the possibility of total forgiveness. In other words, that you can screw up in the most horrible, horrible way, but he opens his arms to say, if you want to be forgiven, that exists. Totally.

but not, I mean, how can I put it? Yes, but, I mean, I did, you know, I just share like, you didn't get there. I didn't, A, I didn't get there, but also B, I really do, like, just because I had this experience doesn't mean I don't believe in the God of the Old Testament. I do. But see, I don't see, there's only one God. I'm glad. When you say the God of the Old Testament, I believe in the God of the Old Testament. I'm glad because you guys could get pretty complicated about that. Well, but some people can. Unfortunately, I'm not one of the Lord.

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anyone who believes in the New Testament is supposed to believe in every jot and tittle of the Old Testament to use Jesus' own words. So there's no contradiction. People have created contradictions and confuse things, but I don't see... I mean, I'm offended when people try to unlink the New Testament from the Old Testament.

it's just preposterous. It doesn't make any sense to me on any level. But where I was going with, I mean, I don't want to like speak to what you just said respectfully because honestly I find it very confusing to understand the multiplicity of ways of understanding God and Jesus in the many Christian and Catholic sects that I've looked into.

You it's it's it's they don't align right well that you but you know that there or at least I would think you would know there's only there's only one truth there's truth and there are people who perceive it different ways and there are many people I mean I'm I'm like violently ecumenical in the sense that I get very annoyed when people kind of insist on things that I think are are minor or or or are mysteries but they think no no I've got to figure it out and you have to agree with the way I figured it out and stuff. That's not to say I don't believe in theological orthodoxy. You know, it's not like whatever.

It's not utterly subjective. It's not subjective. It's subjective. But the point is that there's some people who love arguing theologically. And I find that annoying because your average person doesn't live there. Your average person is looking for help and how do I live my life and what's true? Well, I hear you.

I the feeling I got from this guy right the Jesus guy yeah was like and it was like literally a heart thing like just

heart vibe overwhelming love yes but that's like again our language all of our language is not adequate right it's like right okay it's we're not alone okay I have a friend

like a cosmic friend, you know, like humanity has a friend, you know, like, it's going to, you know, like we have a, we have a champion, we have a rabbi, you know, like all of the, everything, you know, like we're not left on this planet to figure it out ourselves. You know, like all of it, right, was in that room. But definitely that guy, the vibe I got from him is, and he said this, right, in his sermons, stop arguing about the theology, just love each other, right? He said, that. And that was definitely the, like whenever someone brings that, like when I went on this journey trying to ask all these different Christians and Jews, what happened, what should I think about it, am I bad? Like, you know, some of the disappointing things that would happen is some people of different sects would say, well, if you don't embrace this, this and this and this, and get baptized and, you know, pray to this person. And, you know, then it's your loss, right? Or, you know, you will, you're not getting it or you'll be excluded. or that's not sufficient or very judgmental.

And, you know, I got yelled at by rabbis, you know, two or three. Well, but I got yelled at on both sides. Well, but are we surprised? Because it was a genuine parishioner or whatever, a genuine congregant, having genuine questions about something that really happened to me. You shouldn't yell at someone. But what you're describing is the experience of zillions of people over time, why they ultimately reject God or faith,

is because they encounter these idiots who do this. So they were on both sides. Of course. I can't stress that enough. But what I really want to say is this guy was not aligned with that. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, it's just like funny almost to hear you put it in these words because I just know that that's correct.

That's exactly that that's beautiful, you know. And it's interesting because, yeah, look. I've said this all the time. Because I really came to faith later in life or on my 25th birthday, I was so happy to find God that when I would hear people quetching about, you know, this church and that church and that church and that church, I just felt like saying, shut up. Like, God is real and the Bible is real.

And I am so grateful because I was living in a universe where I didn't know if there was just such a thing as God or truth or if we could know him. So I was just happy. And I was basically so happy, but I would hear people complaining, and it wasn't until years later that I bumped into these people who elicit that response, in other words, who are so theologically fussy that you want to punch them in the head because they are, they've made an idol of theological purity instead of worshiping the God who is love and truth, they seem to be more excited about the theology or about figuring out how you're wrong and how if you don't agree with this little thing, you're out of the club or whatever. And I'd never experienced that. So, you know, on some level, it's funny and encouraging to hear you describe this because I know there are tons of people like that. And often they're the ones that you end up talking to somehow because they feel like they're experts or something like that.

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that there are people who they have nothing better to do than attack whomever for whatever, and only because I've finally experienced this in my life, you know, with regard to theology or whatever. There are some people that are so excited about their one little thing that if you don't, you know, tick that box for them, you're their enemy and they have to kind of call you out. And I know that the God of the Bible does not live there,

and that's not his primary concern. It doesn't mean that there's not such a thing as, theology or orthodoxy or this or that. But at the end of the day, it's so much more than that. But I mean, or less, right? I mean, respectfully. And this is where I'm like really scared because I'm not a Christian and I don't want to argue with Christians and I respect Christians.

Or less in the sense that, you know, if you look at what Jesus was doing in the Old Testament, I'm sorry, in the New Testament in relation to the Old Testament, he was coming to simplify and to say stop arguing about theology, stop arguing about doing this on Shabbat or doing that with circumcised or not circumcised or doing that with kosher, non-cochure, love each other, are you looking after children, are you looking after orphans, are you looking after widows, you know, are you loving each other, that's what counts. And he said it over and over and over and over.

And he told people to stop being whited sepulchres. And like this guy I experienced was that guy, right? Like that was all that counted is how much you love. Like all that counted is how you treat other people and especially how you treat people who are voiceless, children, you know, injured people, old people. That's all that counts. Like there was no dogma there, right? It's fascinating hearing you put it this way because it feels so fresh

and original and beautiful. And that is, it's interesting, Naomi, just because I've been thinking about this lately in a new way, because of my latest book letter to the American Church. It's in a sense that, you know, people, Christians in a sense, are famous for,

it's the same thing you see in the Old Testament, famous for knowing about God, knowing about, I mean, you know, the Pharisees could know the scripture inside and out, but Jesus was rebuking them because there's no love. You're, you know, your hearts are far from me. We're supposed to live fearlessly and joyfully and faithfully. And instead we're arguing about this or this or we're, we're full of head knowledge, but we're not living it out. And that to me is the horror that you know everything about God or everything about the Bible, but you don't live it.

You don't get the point and then live it out. That's the whole point. Is you supposed to live it out? It's not just about, I believe all this stuff and therefore I'm saved. That's totally wrong. But there are people who believe that and insist that you must believe that. Well, I guess you're bringing us full circle because that's why I feel scared right now, right? looking at society. A lot of Christians, a lot of Jews, a lot of everybody think we're okay

if we are not loving each other, you know, if we're not in alignment with that guy or, you know, where he comes from. And like, you know, whatever you call your God, because I still think there are many ways up the mountain. I'm not going to say this is the only, I think God is the only way, but I don't, you know, I think there are a lot of ways to get there. I'm not going to say one religion is better than any other religion. But that experience I had was like everything we do matter so much. And yes, you know, you can always repent and be forgiven, but not forever. Like you can't keep messing up and messing up and turning away and turning away because well, because if you continue turning away, it kind of proves you're taking God's

that's a choice. Love and forgiveness for granted. And if you're taking it for granted, you're taking it for granted, you obviously don't get it. Yeah, and it's also a choice to not be in alignment and a choice against the kingdom of heaven, which is supposed to be here. Like it may be somewhere else, too. I have no idea, but for sure, we're supposed to be building it here with justice and mercy and truth and love and all of these things. And old and New Testaments kind of align on that. So, yeah, I am scared that people are walking around thinking, well, I went to Mass or I went to Yom Kippur services and I'm fine.

And meanwhile, the pits of hell are opening up all around us, all over the entire human race, because we're fine with ourselves. Instead of going, holy cow, we are all not in alignment with, you know, the highest love. It's really wild because you are obviously inadvertently saying exactly what I preach about when people invite me to their churches on Sundays, that this idea that I don't have to live out my faith. in all of these ways that I can just check out and be personally think I'm personally okay with God and therefore everything is fine. It's like, no, if you don't get that the time you have on this planet, he wants you to spend loving others doing things, I mean uncovering the truth as you do in the Pfizer documents, doing these things. You're here to do these things and it will cost you, but I've called you to do it because it's right and it's going to bless people.

If you kind of act like, well, I don't need to do that. I just need to worry about my own. You've completely missed it. And I mean, I literally write about that in this book. So it's kind of, I wasn't expecting you to get around to that. But that is, you know, you can sort of say, yeah. That's the bottom line. That's the meaning of life.

Hey, I mean, that is the bottom. That is the bottom line. So I don't know. When you say you're scared, I sort of know what you mean. But I think, I'm hopeful. that there are people, what? Well, I was just going to say the one thing I haven't fully shared is that, is that sense of like, and a lot of people who have had similar experiences have this,

like, oh my God, we have no idea how loved we are. You know, we're held in such great love. Every single one of us is held. It matters so much. And I think people can only do the evil that they do because they ultimately think they don't matter very much. And I do want to say to everyone, every single person, like every animal, every tiny sparrow, you know, your dog, like it matters so much. But especially, you know, every human being is just like what God said about every single

human being, what Jesus said about every single human being, you know, being so precious is true from this inexplicable experience I had. For better and worse, right? Yeah. I think we better leave it right there. Thank you. Thank you. I enjoyed my conversation with Naomi Wolf. I really can't get over it. Her vulnerability, her honesty, her bravery. If you are subscribed to the newsletter, Eric Mataxis.com, you can do that right now,

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