The Eric Metaxas Show - Nate Pickowicz

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

New Hampshire Pastor Nate Pickowicz  Author of "The Kindness of God: Beholding His Goodness in a Cruel World" tells his tells his story of faith and speak about his new book 

Folks, welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metals. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy p.m. Investments.com. That's legacy p.m. Investments. Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to listen to a man of grace, sophistication, integrity, and whimsy? Well, so are we. But until such a man shows up, please welcome Eric Mattaxas. Hey, the folks, welcome to the program. It's Wednesday, the 27th of March. I am in Dallas, Texas. Chris Heimes, you also are in Dallas, Texas. out there. I am in Dallas, Texas. You are in Dallas, Texas. And our engineer James is in Dallas, Texas. And John Smirak is in Dallas, Texas. If you're not in Dallas, Texas, would you raise your hand?

We're in Dallas, Texas. We were here for a big event last night. We showed, it was a big screening of letter to the American church. My goodness, I'm sick of that film. But you know what? If you haven't seen it yet, it's kind of funny. After the fifth time, I was like, okay, I got it. But most people haven't seen it yet. And the audience reaction last night to the screening of this film here in Dallas, I just want to say it just gives me hope for America. People need to know that they can go to letter to the American church.com. You can see where there are free screenings at churches. And I keep saying that if your church, a number of prominent churches in Dallas have not yet said they want to do a free screening. And I'm putting the pressure on them. If you go to church anywhere,

ask them to do a free screen. They go to letter to the American church.com. You can sign up there. It's literally free. So I just hope that people will go to letter of the American church.com and check it out. I also want to talk about the bridge collapse yesterday. Was that yesterday morning?

Oh, my gosh. How much is happening in the world? That's yesterday, Chris? That was yesterday. Oh, Monday. It was Monday. It was Monday. So I'm not going crazy.

It's unbelievable. I want to talk about that for a minute. But just to be clear, we are today, I'm just confused because I'm in Dallas, so much is going on. So today, because it's Easter week, I'm talking to a pastor from New Hampshire. And he is, well, he wrote a book about the kindness of God. And I think particularly during Easter week, it's appropriate to talk about the kindness of God. So that's coming up in a few minutes. In our next segment, I'm talking to the folks from the Alliance Defending Freedom. This is my opportunity to say, again, that they are heroes in America. And I want everyone who listens to this program to please give them something. please help them. They need your help. Please. You go to metaxis talk.com. You just type it into your browser. I know it's a pain. You can do it on your phone. Metaxistocococ.com. It'll come up. Please give something to them. Please be a part of this. We just got a couple of more days. We're way, way, way behind raising what we had hoped to raise for them. Please help us get there. You have to go to metaxisotot.com. And you'll see the, the banner. There's a phone number as well. I'll read that in a few minutes, but I just hope that

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I'm also going to talk to a filmmaker who's made a documentary film about RFK Jr. It's at least fascinating. I got to tell you that. It's just fascinating the journey. So we're talking to him today. In hour two, we're going to rerun my conversation. with Steve Dase. He's written a children's book on Easter. So we've got a lot of stuff coming up. I want to remind people about Socrates in the city, April 5th in Charleston. If you

want to watch that live, you have to be a member of Socrates Plus. So go to Socratesandcity.com, sign up there. I'll also mention that my book, the sequel to Let the American Church is coming out April 23rd. And it's a $26 book. So, you know, usually, people discount it a little bit. Between today and Easter. So this week only, if you get it through Socrates in the city, where you can link through my website, Erictaxas.com, 50% off. $13 for the book. Folks, it's never going to be anywhere near that on Amazon or anywhere. I promise you that. So if you want the book, the day it comes out, you can pre-order it now for $13 a copy. please take advantage of this because we can't do this again.

This is just to get you excited about the book and to get in the hands of people because $13 is just, you know, you don't discount a book 50% off the list price. So I want to say you have to go to Socratesandcity.com. So you can sign up for Socrates Plus. And if you go to Socratesandcity.com, you can buy this book for $13. It's a $26 book. Trust me on this one. You're never going to get it anywhere near that again.

So a couple things, Chris, before we go to our guest to talk about the kindness of God. What happened with this crash into the bridge, last night I watched a video, a video. I watched an interview. Steve Bannon on War Room interviewed Laura Logan. Laura Logan, I posted it on Twitter. She breaks it down. You wonder why this woman was such a celebrated journalist for CBS before they decided to throw her under the bus because she was too much of a truth teller to be able to work at CBS. She breaks down what her intelligence sources have told her. There is no doubt when you listen to this.

You can follow me on Twitter. You could click on it on my Twitter feed. She breaks down in 10 minutes. There is no doubt. that this was, you can call it what you will, whether it's a terrorist attack or it was China, but this was a massive, massive hit on our American infrastructure. It is going to cost us, it's going to cause our groceries to increase in price. In other words, they took out a major supply line.

And when you listen to her break it down, it is stunning. What is further stunning is that why did the Biden administration rush to say, oh, it's not a terrorist thing or it's just an accident. First of all, that's not true. Secondly, even if he thought it might be true, you don't rush out and say that when you don't know yet because the intel sources say, no, we are pretty clear that this was an intentional hit. That this is not some bridge. This was a major artery. This was a major supply chain link in America, major, huge. And this is going to take us something like four to five years to rebuild.

I mean, it's insane, insane. Laura Logan breaks it down. I just got to tell you, go to my Twitter feed. If you can't find it elsewhere, it's on my Twitter feed. It is, or X. But that interview with her, my jaw dropped. I thought this is a brilliant journalist. She has done all the homework on this.

She's talked to tons of people. She knows it inside and now she breaks it down. But it's so brilliant. So I want to recommend that to you. I want to say, again, we're here in Dallas. Yesterday I was at Daystar TV with Joni Lamb talking about my book, Letter to the American Church, talking about the film, Letter to the American Church, talking about my upcoming sequel book, Religionless Christianity.

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and the Northeast, you know, in many ways, is secular. So when I find a pastor in the Northeast who is doing God's work, I want to get to know that guy. So what part of New Hampshire are you in? So the town is Gilminton Iron Works. It's a place that not even people in New Hampshire know where it is. So it's smack dab in the center of the state. And you have a book. I want to talk to you about your book, obviously.

it's called the kindness of God, beholding his goodness in a cruel world. It's a beautiful concept, but before we get to that, I want to ask you your story. Did you grow up in the Northeast? How did you end up being a pastor? What's your story? Yeah, so I grew up in the town that I'm pastoring in right now. So we planted a church up here in 2013, and so this is where I'm born and raised. So I grew up going to church, wasn't sure if I was a Christian or not. I don't think I was at the time. But then later on in my 20s came to faith in Jesus Christ and was working in the financial service industry

and then was called into ministry at my local church and just began to grow in my knowledge, desire to shepherd people, pastor people. And then we planted right here in my hometown 11 years ago when I've been cranking ever since. And where did you study in college? Where did you go to college? You didn't think you were going to be a pastor.

No, I went to college in Pennsylvania. I went to a Mulemberg College in Allentown and was studying music and communication so I could write songs about being unemployed. And then as I got out, I was in the financial services industry, bottomed out of that. and eventually just began to develop a love for ministry, and the Lord just called me out of all of that. It was pretty amazing. When did you have your born-again experience? I mean, you know, to go from that to saying, I want to give my life to serving God.

How did that happen? Yeah, I think I was saved probably around 24, 25 years old. We were going to a church. Again, I was hearing the gospel, and I was remembering hearing it as a kid. but for the first time it was making sense to me and I was understanding my my sinful condition I was understanding Christ his salvation my need for forgiveness so all those things clicked

probably about 24 years old met my wife she came to Christ at the same time and then we just began to grow and develop and I fell in love with the Word of God and just wanted to teach it to people and that was kind of the beginning So, and did you go to school? You went to school in Chicago for your, you got your MA at Trinity? So I didn't go to that Trinity. It was a different Trinity, Trinity College of the Bible, which is in Indiana.

So I've got a master's from that right now. And yeah, I just began to study theology and just wanted to understand doctrine and how to apply that to people. Up in New England, you know, the context is very different. You know, people are not well-versed in the Bible, not. well-versed in doctrine. They used to be, like 200 years ago. What's that? I said they used to be well-versed like 200 years ago, but they've kind of- That's right. That's right.

So, and that's the thing. That's where we are. You know, we're 150 years out from where we were spiritually healthy. And so there's definitely a need for revival. There's a need for just going down to the basics, teaching the Word of God, teaching the gospel, and that's what I want to do. Okay. So the book that you've written that we're talking about today is the subject is God's kindness.

Yeah. What compelled you to write a book on that subject? Yeah, I found that as I was praying and just talking to the Lord, I found myself thanking him for being good to me, you know, looking at my children, my wife, the church, all these different blessings that I had. And I just began to thank him for being kind. And then as I was pondering, I'm thinking, well, has there ever been a study on this? And I was looking around and couldn't find exactly what I was looking for. So I began to study it and write it.

And then as I published it, I realized that this conversation is a little bit bigger. There's a lot of people struggling with trying to understand God's kindness right now. And so it just seemed like the right thing at the right time. It's, I mean, okay, so when you talk about God's, kindness. What do you mean by that? Let's talk about that. Yeah, so the way I define it in the book and the way that scholars look at this is the goodness of God. So his righteousness, his moral perfection, his beauty, everything that is good, inherently good in God, gets displayed to us in kindness. So it's the goodness of God shown to us or given to us. So that's God's kindness to us. And then we just

see that played out in a number of different ways. And those are the things I talk about in the study, is just trying to see how we can apprehend God's kindness in different aspects of our lives. So that's the big idea. And how does kindness differ from mercy, from, you know, in other words, what words are we talking about? Is the term in the scripture, loving kindness? I always try to understand. I mean, is it God's grace to us? I mean, the idea that I was just thinking about this the other day that when you realize that God is just, and if you do something unbelievably wicked, I think of Hitler or Mao or Stalin, really sadistic monsters who do these evil, evil things, and God offers himself, he says, if you believe in me and give me your heart

in your life, I will pay the debt for the evil that you have done. It's really almost unbelievable, and it just breaks you if you realize that that's who he is. And it seems to me that that's part of what you're getting at here. Yeah, in the book, I try not to delineate too much in terms of getting swallowed up in which Greek word is translated this way, that way. I really just took kindness as a broad concept. So I look at verses like Hesed in the Hebrew, which refers to God's steadfast love or covenant love, but we translate it loving kindness. Other words in the New Testament that talk about it, but the big idea is when God displays goodness to us and whether that's in salvation, now in salvation he is demonstrating his grace. He's also giving us mercy forbearance. So all these different things,

but we see this laid out in different topics of salvation, repentance and faith, growing in Christ-likeness. We even see kindness displayed to the world, a world that hates him. He is still kind to those who hate him. It's amazing. It is amazing. Sometimes just if I look at nature, there's something heartbreaking about it when you realize that God created this. So the idea, the preposterous lie, that this just happened, that blind forces that don't care about us somehow by accident created the beauty of the trees and the birds and the blueness of the blue sky and the clouds, it doesn't make sense. And then when you realize that there's a mind behind this, that there's a person, capital P,

behind this, the birds singing in the morning could break your heart, could make you cry, because it is so beautiful. And that to me is part of God's kindness and goodness that he displaced us. And as you just said, it's for everybody. It's not just for those that did the right thing, you know, today. Yeah, it's a huge point. You know, even it's funny when you have a person who curses God and hates God and says all those kinds of things, the fact that they have air in their lungs to say things against God

is kindness in and of itself. But yeah, I think that a lot of times I think we miss seeing God's goodness in all these different things, especially when we have a world that's falling apart. We have a cultural climate, a political climate, whatever the situation is, where we're tempted to think that God is not good or he's not kind or he's withholding something. I think we have to check ourselves. And that was another reason why I wanted to explore this is to say, listen, Christians, Don't take this for granted. Lean into this, explore this, appreciate this, and your contentment and your Thanksgiving, your relationship with God will grow because you'll see him doing things that you never thought possible.

How does, you know, when we talk about God's kindness, again, that's the subject of your book, it is, I mean, it affects us in a number of ways. Obviously, it leads us to repentance or it's meant to. Yes. So Romans 2-4 says it's the kindness of God that leads to repentance. So, again, God's kindness to an unbelieving world, those are opportunities for people to turn. You know, when God blesses the ungodly, which is everybody, by the way, but when he blesses people, they're meant to turn their hearts to him and put their faith and trust in him. But even for us, you know, those who have been redeemed to love Christ, our salvation doesn't come because, like you say, you know, we did the good thing or we're good enough.

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I had to cut you off, Pastor Nate. Please finish that point. Yeah, we were talking about being thankful to God for salvation and not taking his grace and his kindness and his forbearance for granted. So I think that, again, exploring topic, exploring God's kindness is meant to make us grateful. It's meant to make us examine ourselves and really give him praise and worship for who he is. We're a very self-entitled people right now, and I think we would do well to praise God for even the little things and do the hard work in exploring that.

You wrote a book before this called How to Eat Your Bible. I said, I have to ask you about that one by the same author, Nate Pickowitz. But what is that, How to Eat Your Bible? What do you mean? Yeah, so that's a book on Bible study that comes from the scriptures. When the Bible talks about, I think it's one of the prophets. He says, Your words were found, and I ate them, and they were sweet to me. So this idea of intake, there's a biblical epidemic right now, illiteracy,

epidemic. People just don't know the word of God. So I wanted to write a book that would be helpful and just give people some tips and pointers and some encouragement on Bible study. So that came out a couple years ago with Moody Press and just been really thankful that that's been received and just happy to help people to study their Bible. Well, it's obviously important. Now, right now, obviously, I think a lot of people, myself included, realize that our world is in a very bad place right now. I mean, it's just horrible things are happening. I don't need to go into it. Most people know if you look around. And I think you talk about how God's kindness can help us respond appropriately to what's going on around us, to the evil, to the dark stuff that is happening.

Yeah, so I think there's lots of ways to do that. One is just demonstrating kindness to other people. You know, we used to have something in this country called common decency. We used to be nice to each other just because it was the right thing to do. Not that that is any kind of a saving value, but it was just common courtesy. We don't have that anymore. And what's worse is when Christians don't act kind, even to unbelievers and to one another, were just defaming the name of Christ.

So the Bible talks about being kind and tenderhearted to other people and forgiving them because we have been forgiven. So I think when Christians start to demonstrate kindness and not just niceness, that's a huge difference there, but kindness, genuine kindness of God, then the world starts to see us as different. And then the world starts to look at God differently as well. So I think there's lots of ways we can do that. So are there any stories that you tell in this book? In other words, how is the book structured? Yeah, so it begins and ends with a story of a woman named Susan, who had gone through just terrible ordeals.

She just had a bad life, a hard life. And I opened the book with that story because I wanted to expose really the hardest part of this. You know, people read a book about God's kindness, and then they say, yeah, but my mother has cancer or my child. child is sick or I'm out of money or something like that. So I wanted to just head that off at the pass and talk about a person who had been through a really hard time. And then at the end of her life, she actually does come to Christ. Her trials ultimately lead her to faith in Jesus. So if we start to see our trials as God's tools to bring us closer to him, to trip away idolatry,

to strip away self-sufficiency, then we can start to see that he's using, even the bad things for good. That's what Romans 828 says. So that's the desire is to see our life and even our trials through God's eyes. And that's the key. I mean, people, you know, who know me wouldn't know, you know, that over the decades, there's been a lot of suffering, a lot of trials. And I think just because when I became a Christian seriously around my 25th birthday,

God really got a hold of me so that even through, the trials, I was able to praise God and see his hand. But it doesn't make the trials go away. It doesn't make the suffering going away. I've had health problems for decades. And you just oftentimes say, Lord, how long? How long is this going to go on? It's just I'm struggling and struggling and struggling. And I know people listening right now are going through all kinds of stuff. And I want to say to them what I say to myself, praise the Lord in all circumstances, look to him, know that he's with you in the dark places. Know it.

Don't hope it. Know that that is real, even though it might not feel real. But these are the spiritual disciplines in a sense that God wants to use even our suffering, especially our suffering, to draw us closer to him. Just talk about that for a moment that we have left. Yeah, I think about Hebrews 12 when he says, God disciplines those he loves. Believers, I think we sometimes struggle when bad things happen, like what you're talking about.

We think, oh, no, what did I do wrong? Like, God's upset with me. He's trying to hurt me. But what we don't realize is that God is disciplining us for the purpose of godliness. Just read a quick verse here. All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful. Yet those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. That's Hebrews 1211.

So God uses these trials to chasten us and to bring us closer to him. we lean on him. We don't tend to trust God when things are going really well, but we do tend to trust him when things are hard. So, yeah, I would encourage the same thing he would, brother, that if people are going through trials, lean into the Lord, don't pull away from him, lean in, and he does comfort those who are afflicted. He's good like that. Folks, the book is called The Kindness of God, Pastor Nate Pickowitz. Thanks for being my guest. Thank you for having me on.

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As you know, there is a film out, a documentary film on the life of RFK Jr. He has been in the news like crazy. And we have today the producer of that film, or one of the producers, Jeff Hayes. Jeff, welcome. Thank you for having me. So I've got to ask you the most basic question. What inspired you to create a documentary film about RFK Jr.?

Yeah, I made the documentary of his book, The Real Anthony Fauci, a couple of years ago. And that book was astounding. And during the making of, I'd known by, for a decade, but I really got to spend a lot of time with him. He gave me a copy of his book, American Values, that he wrote. And I read this book, and it was such a fascinating story. I started looking to buy the rights and started working with his agent to buy the rights to that. And then another book came out, The Real RFK Jr. by Dick Russell. And I was able to quickly

buy the rights to that book. It was written before he was running for president. He has had the most amazing life. And I was trying to make the film before he announced he was running for president. And so it was just a fortuitous event that, you know, now he has way more press. But it's not a political film. It's literally his biography, which is astounding. How old was he when his father was murdered? He was 14 years old. And, you know, this was five years after his uncle was murdered. and he immediately his mom sent him to Africa on a service trip and he shortly thereafter became a heroin addict

and was a heroin addict for 14 years until he was 28 he was very functional he went to Harvard and then like his father he went to University of Virginia law school all while being hopelessly addicted to heroin When he was 28, he was arrested and exposed as an addict. He was arrested having heroin on him. And he thought, well, the secret's out. Now I don't have to hide this anymore.

And so he's now got 42 years of sobriety. But what an astounding, you know, the loss of your father, the loss of his uncle and all the deaths and tragedy that have been spread throughout the Kennedy family. family, definitely took their toll on him. And a really interesting man emerged. How old is he now? He's got to be in his 70s. He just turned 70 in January. And if we could let this presidential race be decided by a push-up and pull-up contest, the race would be over in the next five minutes.

Well, I mean, when you talk about somebody being addicted to him, heroin for all those years and being functional, going to college. It's mind-blowing. I mean, he does have such a fascinating story. Fascinating is a, you know, positive word. I mean, it's positive and it's horrifying, which makes it fascinating as well. It's just amazing. So I didn't know that, right?

And what has been, I think the reason so many people know about him is because of the book, the real Anthony Fauci, I mean, Most of us were naive, ignorant, stupid, foolish in the beginning, had no idea where Fauci and Francis Collins and company were taking America. They took our trust and they just, it's so evil. And so to have a voice like RFK Jr. In the fight against Big Pharma writing about it, exposing about it. And then finally getting mainstream attention, as he has in the last couple of years,

it gives me hope, frankly. I mean, it just gives me hope. But what was it in his life that led him to be, how do I put it, you know, an advocate on the vaccine stuff? What happened that just made him say, I'm going to be a voice of this, even though everybody's telling me, shut up, you're an embarrassment. You know, his own family didn't want him to talk about this stuff. What made him know that these vaccines are evil, that we need to talk about it?

we need to tell America what's really going on. Yeah, the price that he's paid for that. He was a Hollywood darling. He wrote a New York Times op-ed twice a year. Everyone in Hollywood loved him. He could pick up the phone and reach anybody in the world, like world leaders. He had an open door. They loved him.

He was an environmental lawyer who cleaned up the Hudson River. And so the environmentalists loved him. But he kept having these mothers show up. up at his events where he was trying to get mercury out of our rivers. And he would have these mothers that would sit on the front row, and they would buttonhole him after the event and say, you're trying to get mercury out of the rivers, but our kids are getting it out of vaccines.

And he wanted no part of it. Finally, a woman, Sarah Bridges, went to his house in Cape Cod when he was there on vacation, knocked on his door and said, look, you've got to look at this research I brought you. And he said, I want no part of the. the vaccine issue. And he said, I got to go sailing. He left and sailed for four hours, came back, and she was still on his porch. And he said, you're not going to leave, are you? And she says, I'll leave if you'll promise to read this research. And so he agreed,

stayed up through the night, read the research, said, I'll make some calls the next day. And when he did, he was lied to. He knew who was being lied to. And it started really a fight with the pharmaceutical industry that destroyed his income, destroyed his name, you know, many, most of his friends abandoned him. And he is just a very stoic individual

that once he decided to stand up for these mothers and their kids, he has never let go. Well, the film is called the RFK movie. It's a real, can find it at the RFK movie.com.

And it is available free. Is that correct? Yeah, they can see it free until April 15th. The RFKmovie. Dot com. Just 30 seconds left. What is your hope for the film? To me, I don't care who somebody votes for,

but I do care when the media manipulates one of the candidates and makes some unrecognizable from who they are. So I just want people to know who this person is. They can vote for whatever they want, but not let the New York Times or mainstream media define who someone is without looking into it. Well, Jeff Hayes, producer of the RFK documentary. Thank you so much for being our guest today. Thank you for having me. I have done all to see the evil and the good. You must help me. Dare to challenge the status quo with the movie The Real RFK Jr.

Watch it for free for a limited time now at the RFK Movie.com. The real RFK Jr. movie is based on the in-depth biography by New York Times best-selling author Dick Russell, brought to life by award-winning filmmaker Jeff Hayes. Explore the highs and lows of life dedicated to making a difference. Witness the fearless advocacy of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Don't miss your chance to watch the untold story of a modern-day hero free for a limited time at the RFKMovie. Go to the RFKmovie.com today. Some truths are worth fighting for. For a limited time, watch the real RFK Jr. movie free at the RFK movie.com. RFKMovie.com. Portions of the Eric Mattaxia show are brought to you in part by Jeff Hayes Films and the real RFK Jr. movie. To be clear, the website is rfkmovie.com. RFKMovie.com. RFKMovie.com. Some of you know it's my privilege on this program to highlight the work of heroes in America.

And the Alliance Defending Freedom, they're at the top of the list. If you knew what they were doing, we can only touch on it on this program. But if you knew what they were doing, you'd want to help. And that's part of why I have my guest on Jeremy Tedesco. He's a senior counsel at ADF, senior vice president of corporate engagement for Alliance Defending Freedom. and I want to exhort everybody who's listening to help the Alliance Defending Freedom. We are in a tremendous battle in this nation, and people often say to me, what can I do? And I say, there are many things you can do.

One of the things you can do, especially now, is give to the Alliance Defending Freedom. We're raising money for them on this program. And folks, I hope you have some sense of how serious this is. And that whatever little bit you can do or a lot, it's really needs. needed now. This is not, we're not exaggerating. This is very serious. The phone number, if you want to dial, the phone number is 855-0850-096, 855-385-0-5-96. And the website is metaxisstalk.com. You'll see the banner, metaxis talk.com. So Jeremy Tedesco, we were talking about debanking and how the federal government is attacking people in terms of their ability to do, to make financial transactions.

It's a scary and amazing moment that we've come to in American history. And to me, the only good news is that it's waking some people up. Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, we've seen debanking, especially on the basis of viewpoint, has been on the rise the last few years. This hearing last week was really kind of the crescendo of everything we've been seeing. One of our clients' indigenous advanced ministries is a small ministry in ten, a sea that does relief work over in Uganda, builds wells, feeds kids, helps widows and orphans.

They got debanked by Bank of America last year in April, had been a long-time customer there, and just were told, look, your risk tolerance exceeds our risk-tolerance policies at this point. No good reason at all. We see this again and in again and again. And so it's on the rise. National Committee for Religious Freedom was debanked by Chase, the Arkansas Family Council that does pro-life and pro-religious liberty work in Arkansas, debanked by Chase for being so-called high-risk. And so we know these things are happening.

We know the federal government has incredible control through the regulators that operate on a day-to-day basis in banks, supervising them to push disfavored industries and people outside of the financial marketplace. This is a real problem. And we definitely need to solve for it, whether through litigation or legislation or just like Chairman Jordan is doing shining sunlight on this as a disinfectant. I think the more and more we pressure banks to knock off these practices and even put regulatory, you know, pressure on them to knock it off, the better off everybody's going to be. Nobody should be afraid they're going to lose their bank account because of their political or religious beliefs. Folks, please go to metaxis talk.com. Whoever you are,

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