The Eric Metaxas Show - Norman Stone & Owen Fielding (Encore)

Episode Date: April 22, 2020

Can a sure-fire treatment of the opioid addiction already be available? Filmmakers Norman Stone and Owen Fielding talk about this “miraculous” discovery researched in their film, “The Final Fix.” (Encore Presentation)

show. It's the show that Mark Twain once called Smartern, a Blue J, what can talk possum, and faster than a naked fat man riding a bolt of lightning. So here's your plain spoken homespun host, Eric Mataxon. Hey, how are you, kids? Folks, we rarely break news on this program, because if you break it, you got to fix it,

and we don't have the budget. But I want to tell you, we are breaking some news today. Albin, what is today? It's Wednesday. It's Wednesday, right. because I have in the studio a dear old friend, my friend Norman Stone, the film director, he's working on a film, has been working on a film for many years, just completing it, called The Final Fix.

When you hear what this is about, you should be a little bit incredulous. You should at least be intrigued. I also have in the studio with me my new friend Owen Fielding, he's director of of clinical services with NET Recovery Corps, a U.S. Health Tech company and owner of NET device. You wonder what that is. They're going to tell us now. Folks, welcome the program. Norman, you are a film director.

Tell us what your colleague Owen does because when I just read this description, people are wondering, what's this all about? What's this film about? Give us the summation. The best summation is the incredulous one, which is, is there is a treatment for addiction, any addiction, but we were specifying opioids as the main one, that claims to get people off that drug of addiction in five to seven days with little or no pain, and then the kicker, no more cravings ever.

Okay, so this is what we must call a miracle cure. If it is what it purports to be, this is an out-and-out miracle cure, it ought to be worth infinite billions of dollars because of the opioid crisis in America is one of the most severe crises of any kind anywhere. It is as serious as it gets, certainly in the West. So, Owen is, you're on the creative side. You've created a film about this. So Owen, what do you do with regard to what we've just mentioned? I think that's a good question.

And by the way, you're from Scotland. That's why you talked that way. just in case anybody's wondering, what's going on around here? I'm from Scotland, and I shall speak slowly. Slowly. Yeah, I'm Director of Clinical Services, and my responsibility is to integrate the treatment into the commonplace sector for treatment

alongside other addiction treatments. So we're trying to develop a complementary treatment to other treatments with an evidence base. Can I translate? Please. What that means is, because he's very official on this. You also live in Scotland and you don't have a similar accent. No, my wife did so.

And that's the story. All right. So what Owen is is a very experienced practitioner in this new treatment. And when I was doing the film, which, as you say, were just completing, I needed to do a trial. And I needed to be professional. And I didn't want to have anything to do with it. I didn't even choose the guys that went on it. And I needed someone who I could trust to be honest, strong, true, and do what it does.

So I hired this guy in and filmed everything looking for the fault because I'd come across this before. I'd filmed the thing before years ago. And the trial, if it didn't work, I was going to show. And if it did work, I was going to show. Okay, so that's the key here because we're talking about something. I think that there are many people listening who are naturally, and I would say wisely skeptical, when somebody claims a miracle cure with such dramatic ramifications. you say, wait a minute, whereas you would say, hang on a tick. This isn't possible. How is it that we could have gone decades in decades with all kinds of addiction crises? And we've never come close to anything that's as dramatic a cure. So how do you respond either of you to those kind of objections?

I think, as Joe Winston, our CEO, smartly said, there has been a reluctant. to accept neurostimulation in the early days because it wasn't understood. Now we're beginning to understand it. There's a different reason why a treatment like NET is treated very skeptically, and that's because it shortens the treatment time down to five to seven days. Most of the treatment centers in America make money on length of stay, length of treatment. So if I go to rehab, they're making money, so it's a business, rehab. is a business. And it seems to me that if I were addicted to heroin or any of these other

powerful drugs, the idea that anyone could be cured of it, I'm skeptical of that to begin with. It doesn't matter when you go to rehab. What's the magic of rehab? I have no idea what the great magic is when you go to rehab. There's never really been a cure, any kind of cure. So rehab, it seems to me, is treating it somehow. It's the best we can do. But you are, claiming an actual cure that only takes days. It does seem hard to believe. You just said that people have been skeptical about, what did you call it, neuro? It's a neurostimulation treatment. Okay, so practically speaking, what is it? In other words, is it a band that I wear around my arm? How does it, how is it? It's a small device, the size of a smartphone, and it's pre-programmed

for each patient according to their medical health history and their drug-taking history. And what that's basically doing is accelerating what the brain would do on its own, but it would take many, many weeks or months. So the brain has plasticity naturally. And that means that's the brain's ability to reform those neural pathways that were disturbed and disrupted by taking drugs. But more specifically, how does it work? There's a device.

What is it connected to? How does it work? It's connected to a computer. So we have a secure cloud. base where all the programs are stored. So we're talking algorithms here. And it's low pulse electricity. So how is it administered to the patient? It's administered across the surface of the skin behind each year. There's a gel electrode. Behind each ear. Okay, we've finally gotten the specific. So you put an electrode behind each ear. And how long does it take? In other words,

you go in for a session. How long is a session? The patient will wear that continuously for five to seven days and then they don't need the treatment again that that's it it's done so this is day and night for five to seven days yes um all right so norman you've been working uh on this film and you've been interested in this for decades now yeah when did you first bump into this and why if this is existed for so long and if it's such a miracle cure how come it has not um been publicized why hasn't somebody realized I can make an infinite amount of money off of this. It's just like curing cancer. Why, if this has existed, if it exists now, why hasn't someone capitalized on it?

It's usually the opposition that are making a lot of money, billions of dollars on the system as it stands. This uses no pharmacy at all. Sorry, I'll say that again. This uses no pharmacy at all. Okay, there's no drugs involved. So big pharma is against this. But I guess my question is how can they oppose something like this? What does this have to do with, what do they have to do with each other?

I can understand how they'd be frightened by losing all their business. They can turn their backs. They can elongate ideas of how long it's going to take. You need another $10 million to do this. You need some to do that before you get FDA approval. And there's more and more. I watched this. When I first came across this many years ago, it was bizarrely because I accidentally sat next

to Eric Clapton. and I didn't even recognize it was Eric Claptony and a strange hairstyle at that time. What year are we talking about? In 1975. Whoa, wait a minute. I was three. In 1975, you were sitting next to Eric Clapton. Where were you?

I was in Harley Street at the home of the missionary doctor that pioneered this. Okay, what is her name? Meg Patterson. Okay, Meg Patterson has since passed away, but I know she's in your film because I saw it. She's the one that discovered this, and I think you told her. told me that there were people wealthy, famous rock stars like Eric Clapton who were addicted to heroin and so on and so forth. They were able to avail themselves of this in 1975. Yes, indeed. And that's their managers that avail themselves because they were losing money

on their stars. And it worked. And I watched it a bit skeptically. And I took it to the BBC and said, Eric Clapton, Eric Clapton, and those magic mantra words got me in my first commissioners a film back then. So I went in it hard and I said to make Patterson, if it fails, I'm going to show it. If it isn't I'm going to show it. Okay, that's 1975. We're going to go to a break. When we come back, we're going to find out what happened since 1975. We'll be right back. Can you guess? That's Eric Clapton on guitar. Why? Because I'm talking to my friend Norman Stone, the filmmaker who began the process of all these years looking in

into what's culminated in this film, the final fix, a cure for addiction or the cravings that lead to addiction. And, Norman, you were just telling us a story that it was 1975. You're sitting next to Eric Clapton, who had then been cured by this woman and by this device. And all these years later, it's never really gotten any purchase in the culture. and so here we are sitting 10,000 years later, the film is just being made that you began all those years ago. So I just want to kind of get this picture of why, what happened? Because anybody who struggled with addiction in the last decades would say, why isn't this available to me? It's sickening.

You should know that Meg Patterson herself did not believe that this was real when she first came across it. She was working as a missionary doctor in Hong Kong in a very poor charity hospital. And they used electro-stimulation through acupuncture for medical reasons to numb things to do whatever. It was learned in China. A colleague brought it across. But what she didn't know is that half the people in Hong Kong were addicted to opium. So when they went through their little operations in post-operative checkups, they said, ever since you use the needles, Dr. I don't smoke opium anymore.

And she patted them on the head and said, next, next, next. Okay, so this is, I mean, I love these Genesis stories because it, It makes sense, right? You're telling me that a technology, which is an eastern technology, it's an eastern thing. It comes over from China into Hong Kong. It's the 60s. It's the 70s. She's a missionary doctor. And this is something that just happens and they observe it. They weren't doing this specifically to cure opioid addiction, opium addiction. But this is when she noticed that something. She didn't believe it. thing has happened and you're saying she didn't believe at the missionary doctor. And in the end, she said, to me one time, Norman, she said every time I did this, I thought something's wrong here, but it must be having a biological effect. So she didn't buy the whole acupuncture thing, but she knew it was having an effect. This is a very famous missionary doctor. The queen had given her lots of honors and so on, and she was an expert. But she pursued it, and she started trying out on people

who she knew were addicts, and it worked for them as well. And then she came over to London and started to develop it further. And I did this film. And I thought, hey, you know, this is Florence Nightingale time. How did you bump into, tell me her name again? Meg Patterson. And how did you bump, how did you happen to be there sitting next to Eric Clapton? Okay. Because our husband, George Patterson, who was also a missionary, a missionary, or a doctor, but an unusual sort of man. And he had made films, films that I'd seen on TV and really liked. And I thought, well, there's a Christian guy making films. And I got to know him. He said, come home and meet the wife.

I did. Sat next to someone called Eric. I didn't know who he was. So you didn't know was Eric Clapton. I love it. They kept that quiet because he's a patient. And then I discovered he was. And then the BBC said, go explore this treatment. We took somebody off the streets, tried it.

The guy came off. In those days, it was 10 days. I saw him just the other month. He now lives up in Scotland, 44 years later. Who are we talking about? The man that I used to see it. this thing worked, an addict who couldn't get up any other way, he came off clean in 10 days. And what year was that?

1975. Okay, that was also 75. Yeah. You were, just to try, I always want to understand why, you know, things haven't worked. Because there has to be an answer. Most people are saying this is preposterous, unless you can explain to me, you know, I wouldn't buy it that you discover the cure in 1975 and that nobody knows about it until now. You know, I need to understand why, and you're helping us understand this.

Let me just be very simple. I've thought about this a lot, as you'd imagine. It's three P's. Power, profit, prestige. That gets in the way of people opening up their minds. Science is not as open-minded as it should be as we were here last night. It was absolutely, if you get a good system that's making you billions of dollars, why disturb it? If you're in a position of power and you're backing a different system, why let it move? It's very easy to close the door on threatening.

new ideas even though they may work. And then you add the big farmer into it. My goodness, you're in. Well, you referred to the FDA earlier that they require trials and this and that. Did they have an opportunity to look at this and they made the process difficult? When would that have happened? 1977, 1977, 1978, 80, 84. So the United States Food and Drug Administration had an opportunity 40 years ago to look at this.

and they effectively screwed it up. They have an opportunity to look at it now. Have you heard the phone ringing? No. That's pretty dark to think about when I think of all the suffering caused by various addictions. When did Meg Patterson pass away? 2002. 2002.

So who's been carrying the banner for this? I mean, have you been in your way, or is this her thing? No, I make her film. But I can't get this off my shoulders because it was clearly working and people weren't looking at it. But you know, you're part of this. I mean, it was Mer Patterson, the daughter of George and Meg Patterson, who married a chap called Joe Winston and he's the man. Would you agree? Yeah.

Joe Winston. Yeah. Okay. And he's still among us. Yes. Okay. So he's been trying to push this forward as an American, as an impasse, as an imping. patient, entrepreneurial American.

You know, when I hear about these things, my first instinct is to get angry at the injustice, the horror, that there has been this thing. There ought to be money being made, hand over fist, at curing addictions, not at, you know, just kind of helping these people along a little bit. And so, yeah, you want to say if there's, it seems to me that there would be a lot of money to be made,

and that's a proper incentive, right? It was if you can figure out a way to get this to people. Well, this is, I know what you're going to say, and I want to hear it. Go ahead. No, there's little money to be made compared to the system that makes billions. Well, that's a fact. That's a fact. And you take away their money and you try to act responsibly.

In 1977, Johnson and Johnson came into their lives and offered to buy it out to bury it. Now, that's, Norman, is that in the film? Nope. It will be in future films. Okay. Well, anyway, I want to mention again, the final fix.com, people can go to that website and find out more. But, okay, Johnson and Johnson, you're claiming that the Patterson's brought this to their attention in 1977 with the purpose, of course, of getting their leverage to bring this to the world, to help people. And they wanted to stop it.

To kill it. Why? Because it's a threat to the whole system as it exists. And Johnson and Johnson is making it. money how from the system? Because it uses something called drugs to sell. And the big farmer drugs

that they were part of that. And it did challenge everything that they were doing on that level. It's not just them. I remember around the same time because I was interested just watching it. The Beverly Hills Clinics wanted an exclusive right on this. And George and Meg,

good Christmas that they were, said it has to be for everyone. It let the rich people supplement the poor people, but we're not selling it off for everyone to get rich. And they held to that, rightly or wrongly, as some critics have said, they held to that. I admire them for it, but it didn't get the thing through. I was going to say there are two sides to that, right? Because I think that, you know, it hasn't gone anywhere in decades, and so nobody's benefited,

and maybe it would have been better if you put it in the free market. And, you know, there's a wonderful thing. No, I know, I know. But, okay, but now, Owen, you, what were you doing before this came to your attention? I was doing quite a lot of street work with addicts and homeless people in my community in Dumfries and Galilee through the churches that I was involved in. And I began to manage a rehab center and Joe Winston appeared one day with this device. I was extremely skeptical. Now tell me again who's Drew Winston?

Joe Winston's the CEO. Oh, Joe Winston. Yeah. So I was extremely skeptical, but I quickly saw that this. device was a real turnaround for people who are struggling with addiction. I mean, it must have been a little shocking, frankly. I mean, here you are working with addicts rehab. This is a holy grail.

This doesn't exist. And some guy shows up and says, try this. And you said that you saw it work. I was astounded. When was this? This was 2009. Okay. So, my goodness, over 10 years ago.

Yeah. So that rehab finally ran out of money. It was a Christian rehab. It was poorly funded. And I contacted Joe and said, if you ever need help to get the story of this machine out there, call me. And two months later, he called me and he said,

I'm setting up quite a big pilot in Scotland. So it ended up being a four-year national pilot. And I ended up helping Joe to run that, and we treated several hundred people. And there was success. They were a success. So there's a data set sitting with the FDA at the moment, Eric. There are 552 participants from Kentucky and Scotland over a full year period. The symptomatology for... We're going to, we have to go to a hard break. Forgive me, that's called a cliffhanger in show business. We'll be right back.

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But I set my sights on Monday, and I got myself. Hey there, folks. We are talking to the director of a new film called The Final Fix. You can find out more at the Final Fix.com, my friend, Norman Stone, and his colleague in this, Owen Fielding. Owen, you were just making a point before we went to the break. I wanted to hear you continue, because you said that the data that you got in this four-year study is now in the hands of the FDA.

Yes. And you said it was 500 participants who were from Kentucky and Scotland. Yep. Okay. So they received net treatment, mostly for opiates. Some of them were addicted to cocaine, but most of them, crucially, were polydrug users, so they were taking multiple substances. I've never heard that term.

Yeah. Polydride. That's a very nice way of saying very much. messed up. So in other words, this treatment can handle a polydrug situation, which is complex. Wow. So what we found was, and what the, well, more importantly, what the principal investigator found, the researcher who analyzed the data, was that if we're looking at withdrawal symptomatology, that was reduced by 80%. And that's that group. And craving was reduced by 92%. It's completely unheard of in the treatment world. It's pronounced unheard of, not unheard of, not

Norman, who are these people you bring to me? I can't tell you how much I love the way you speak, so forgive me for making fun of it. Can I just speak in English? Yeah. But I mean, listen, what you're saying, you say it's unheard of. It is, it is so outrageous when you're talking about withdrawal 80%, you know, 92%. What did you say? They had no craving or significantly reduce craving.

Okay. Okay, so this data, before we go to Norman, you said with the FDA now, how long has it been with the FDA? Probably just a few weeks now. Okay, so this is red hot stuff. So the question is, what do you suppose they will do with it? How long do they normally take to respond to something like this? We're expecting a fairly quick turnaround because clearly there's an issue here for America and for Scotland that the NET might be able to help with. So the FDA, I think, is quite keen to help us receive type approval for this device

so that it's an approved medical device that can be used in America. And we can help many, many people. I'm just astounded. I'm absolutely astounded. Now, Norman, you managed to land Ewan McGregor to be the narrator of your film. Yes. And it's pronounced Ewan, McGregor. Is everybody involved with this Scottish?

This is pretty interesting. I don't know. But for those who don't know, Ewan McGregor plays what? I'm trying to think he's being so many films. Well, I hope. Knobe is a young man. But the main one, the why I wanted to get him and thank him for doing it, actually, is he was in train spotting a film about drug addicts in Edinburgh. So he was, in a way, the world's favorite heroin addict.

And he's a great guy. And he took this. He really was impressed by it. And he did a very, very sensitive and very good voiceover commentary. I mean, he's also for people, you know, he was in, oh my goodness, I can't think of the film, the musical with Moulin Rouge. And he was in that movie with Renee Zellweger. It's by Peter Rabbit. Love, no, he plays catcher block.

It's a great, it's really funny. It's like it's a takeoff on the Doris Day Rock Hudson, you know, like the pillow talk stuff. But that's an amazing movie. But so Ian, Ian McGregor is the narrator. and this is obviously a documentary film. How long is the film? We've got two. The director's nice and gentle cut.

Yeah. He's 104, but the 90-minute one is what's going to sing. Okay. The 90 minutes. All right. And you're doing screenings in Washington, D.C. this week. On Capitol Hill. And there's a rumor that the White House may be inviting us to have a look at it.

I say a rumor. I've got to hear about that tomorrow. Yeah. But there's a lot of people in D.C. who are interested, of course, in the bleakness of the heroin and the opioid addiction. And the question is, can you get to them and can they believe before they close the door on you and say, next, can you get to them to talk?

It looks like we can. So we're going there to spread the word on that. I'm just so thrilled that you're getting some traction with this. So let's just go back to the Patterson's. You said that this was discovered by accident, by a missionary doctor, in Hong Kong. And that's often the way we discover these kinds of things by accident. We noticed something. And so all those years, I think you mentioned to me in our previous time together, you said that other famous people, not just Eric Clapton, had availed themselves of this technology

in the 70s. Yes. They were always very discreet about it because medical patients. Because nobody knows that Keith Richards is a drug addict. Yeah, we should never mention to edit that out in case anybody. I was in 1977. Yeah. Yeah. I went across to interview him, but by the time I got there, he was already absolutely fit and free. So you went to interview Keith Richards about this when you were working for the BBC, and he was not interested in talking about it? He was so healthy, I didn't get close. He was on his own tick again with Mick Jagger was calling and all that stuff, so he didn't actually get it. But I talked to his doctor. Did he ever get back with the stones? Did what? Did Keith Richards ever get back with the stones? How did that work out? Yes.

Okay. It's so incredible to me that there were people all those years ago who benefited from this, and that somehow word did not get out. I mean, it seems to me that Keith Richards and Eric Clapton should have been screaming about this. The paper screamed a lot. And then, have you ever met a rock star? They're a little. Other than Albans, gentlemen.

No. But they're a little like people who own the sweet shop and want to keep eating sweets when they want to. No one tells them what to do. They are whatever they want they get. And I'm not on about drugs when they're clear from that. They're very much the iconic losses. Oh, sorry, we're going to another break. We'll be disparaging rock stars in the next segment as well.

Stick around. Hey there, folks. Hey there, folks. I'm talking to Norman Stone, my friend, the film director and his colleague in crime, Owen Fielding. Norman, you just during the break gave me some numbers. Would you repeat this? This is insane what you just said. Well, everyone knows that America's got an addiction crisis.

Yeah. And if you look at the figures internationally, there's only one country worse than America. So America is the second worst country with regard to opioid addiction on the planet. Okay. That alone is stunning because we are the world's wealthiest country. And you're saying that we are almost the worst in opioid addiction. Okay. So who is the worst?

Scotland. Scotland. Scotland. No, five million people, and they spend nine billion pounds on treating alcohol. Okay, so that's more than $10 million, sorry, $10 billion a year treating these things, and you said their success rate for their $10 billion or more dollars is? 3%. 3%.

If they spent zero, I think the success rate would be 4%. Actually, it's 3%. I checked. If you do nothing, you get 3%. But they close their doors to other options because they've got their mindset on how they think it should be treated. 3%. They're wasting money. And this thing, I have to tell the truth, is 82%.

Yeah. When we check it out. So for a price of an AA battery, but it breaks the system. It breaks the money flow. It breaks stuff like that, which is really annoying to say the least. And hopefully this film will shake it up. So if people want to find out more, do go to the final. Fix.com and push for the film.

The final fix.com. I mean, this is the kind of thing. So many people listening know someone who has struggled with this or or families that have been ruined by this. The idea that this exists and we can't get it out to people is sickening in a free culture. It's absolutely sickening. I guess I, other than going to the final fix.com, I suppose people in, you know, Congress ought to know about this. I mean, I don't know if people have connections out there, but it's just, it's just madness to me. I mean, do you think the FDA will do something positive

about this, Owen? I'm sure they will, Eric. There's already a similar device, a less effective device that's had type approval, but it only works for opiates, and our device works on the same premise, but is much, allegedly much more effective. That's still to be. But if something works for opiates and you're saying it's out there, why isn't it more widely known? Why isn't it being used to destroy these addictions? A small family business that don't have tens of millions of dollars to put into R&D, to put into randomized clinical trials, but that's about to change. It's unbelievable. Norman, I've known you for so many years and you've done so many films. I ought to mention it when we started, but you were put on the map in the 80s when you

did Shadowlands for the BBC with Joss Ackland and Claire Bloom, the story of C.S. Lewis's relationship with Joy. I was done, what do I say, Grisham or Gresham? Joy Grisham. It would be fine. Joy, Gresham. Joy, Davidson. You made that in 1984.

You've been making films ever since. And ever since I have known you, which is a long time, you've been talking about this film. Yes, because it was something you can't get. if I love telling stories. I love doing dramas and that's done very well for me. But when you see something that has deliberately been avoided, where you see the bad guys winning an awful lot of the time, and then it gets worse. It was when the opioid crisis finally bit, I thought, you feel a weight on his shoulders, you know the feeling, and you think, I've got to go at this. I need it like a hole in

the head because I want to do dramas. But I thought, no, we've got to do it. And we put our shoulders the wheel and people were very helpful and very able and sacrificial and we've done the film that tells the truth. Now the trick is, we're out of money of course, but it's to get it out there and show, show people the film. And I tell you, it's a bit like Madam Curie discovering radio, but no one's wishing to pronounce the word radium, or the cure for cancer, as you mentioned early. I'd posit that this is a little bit more important because of such a growing addiction. Because of the impact on GDP. The American government

released some financial figures that said they've worked out that $2.5 trillion is the cost in the last four years to the U.S. economy. Of $2.5

trillion. Yeah, $2.5 trillion for addiction, not just for the opiates crisis. I wonder if the President of the United States, who doesn't typically listen to this program would realize that this would be the...

I can't think of anything better that a president could do. I mean, for the economy alone, but for Americans... But I mean, seriously, it's an extraordinary thing. You know what it is? I think that we're all skeptics, and most of us think that

you never get something that's too good to be true that's actually true. You know, it's one of those things that... But those things do happen now and again. Now and again, missionary doctors do stumble on things in strange ways. And it's funny to think, Norman, you've been making films for so many years. There's footage in this film, which is coming out in 2020, that you took in 1975. Have you ever spent that much time making a film?

Nope. Certainly the most unusual film I'll ever make, and I think the most important. I mean, you were an extremely young man when you started making this film, and now it's 2020, and finally it looks like we're going to get a look at it. I just, I'm in awe that, you know, we get to have this conversation because what a wonderful thing it would be. We rarely see things like this in the world where, you know, I was there when addictions were effectively cured. It would be pretty wonderful. The corner could be turned and it should be turned now. I would think so.

So you said you don't have a deal on the film yet. The film is made, but you're talking to different people and stuff. So by God's grace, we will be able to see the film relatively soon. that would be pretty terrific. If you look on the website on March the 1st, I'm committed to showing a chunk of the film at least, or to tell you that Netflix have bought it. They've just asked to see it. And there's one or two others of the big streamers also in the play.

So we'll see. But we can't keep hanging it on and hanging it on. This is beyond profit. This is beyond distribution. People are dying while we're talking right now. And Owen, you've seen people's lives changed by this. Absolutely, yes. Which is why you're here.

Exactly why I'm here. It's just extraordinary. I believe in this. All right. Well, I will leave it at that. The Final Fix.com is the website. Folks, we're not blown smoke here. This is really a big deal.

Congratulations to both of you for pushing this forward. And if we can help you further, let us know. God bless you. Thank you for having us. Thank you. Hey there, folks. I don't want to scare you. But I need a haircut badly.

If you're watching this on video, you can see that I'm starting to look like Shemp Howard. Way too much like Shemp Howard. And I'm looking more and more like curly. And Chris Heim says nothing. I guess what that makes me Mo maybe or Larry. It'll look like Mo. You look like Curly Joe Dorita. Curly Joe Dorita?

Such a pinch. Don't you remember now about a Gestello? he played Stinky. Oh, okay. All right. He played stinky. He had one of those like kids suits, like he would dress like,

you know, with the all day sucker and he dressed like, he dressed like, sorry, what's his name? You know, it's like,

Spanky, spanky. Fonthleroy. No, no, no. It was like the little Lord Fauntleroy look. Yes. The kind of, you know,

Buster Brown look. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a grown man and it was Curly Joe Derrida. And he said, I'm going to give you such a pinch. Anyway, listen, we're grown men too. We have so many exciting things going on, but I've just got to let my audience know.

Because we're going through a tough time right now, let me make a couple of quick announcements. Number one, if you're not signed up for a newsletter, you have got to go to ericmetaxis.com. Please sign up for a newsletter, number one, Ericmetaxis.com. Number two, please follow me on Twitter and on Facebook and on Instagram. I'm posting all kinds of wacky videos and things. you got to check it out. Next thing, I got to say, my book Seven More Men, like I think Amazon ran out or something like that. We're going through a weird time. Please order it anyway. You'll get it as soon as possible.

But that's my brand new book that is out. And one of the men in that book is Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Another man is Billy Graham. We have spoken on this program to their sons, Ignat Solzhenitsyn. One of the greatest conversations I've had was with Ignat Solzhen. We played it the other day. And then the other day we spoke to Franklin Graham. Really just fantastic interviews and, of course, the sons of two of the men in my new book, Seven More. Man, I also want to say because everybody's going through a tough time right now, you're looking for something to watch on TV. Do not forget, folks, please.

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Save 25, and you'll save 25% on that. And before we go, let me finally say that our two major sponsors on this program are Mike Lindel's MyPillow.com. And then, of course, our friends Pete and Seth Talbot, they're the folks behind Relief Factor, which I ought to say more often, I use every single day and it works. And then, of course, they're behind honorbound coffee, honorbound coffee.com. All their profits go to helping military families. But a word on relief factor, I haven't bragged on that often enough. I am amazed that it works.

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That's relief factor. I just want to thank my friends Pete and Seth Talbot. Anyway, thanks for listening and thanks for patronizing those who patronize us, although we try not to be patronizing. Thank you.