The Eric Metaxas Show - Papa Tom Clark

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

We're joined again by Papa Tom Clark of the Father's Heart Show

Welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show. We'll get you from point A to point B. But if you're looking for point C, well, buddy, you're on your own. But if you'll wait right here in just about two minutes, the bus to point C will be coming right by. And now here's your Ralph Cramden of the airways, Eric Mattaxas. Hey, folks, I'm back. Yes, yes, I'm back in New York City.

I was in Greece. I was also in Turkey. Chris Heims, you knew where I was, right? I did. I did. Like many of our listeners, I follow you minute by minute on your Instagram. And so I knew right exactly where you were. There's so much that I didn't say on Instagram.

I mean, I just said a few things on Instagram. But I really, it's amazing. I mean, the time difference is always difficult for me to try to figure out what time is it in the United States and what's going on. but Suzanne and I got back last night, which is a total screw up. Like I always want to fly early back from Europe so you get back at a reasonable hour. For some reason, we couldn't book the right flight. So we got back and it was kind of late and whatever. So I woke up and I still have a tan.

You look good, Eric. And I was happy to hear the logistics went well with the airline flight back because I would have assumed you would have needed two seats for the way back. having been on a cruise for that long, you know, kind of eating. Oh, let me tell you. On fettered, Feda. Let me tell you. This was, yeah, okay, so for folks, let me just recap.

Okay, so today is June 17th. I just posted on Instagram, by the way, today is the anniversary of the Battle of Bunker Hill. Exactly 250 years ago today. We're doing a daily super centennial video on Instagram. So it's a different follow. You have to follow a different account than my Eric Metaxus account. It's super centennial. But for special ones, I'm linking to it on the Eric Metaxus Instagram account.

So today is June 17th, 250th anniversary of Bunker Hill. And last night, Suzanne and I got back from a 10-day, you know, we've been talking about it for months on this program, a cruise around the Greek islands, except it's started off going first to Ephesus, which is this Turkey, and then going to Istanbul, which used to be Constantinople, but for the last 500 years has not been part of Greece. It's been part of the, first the Ottoman Empire, and now it's part of Turkey. I'm not a fan of Turkey. I was raised as a Greek to think of the loss of Constantinople as a sad thing. my relatives fled Constantinople in 1453 when the Turks took it over.

And so it was very interesting to be there to see the Agia Sophia Mosque. I mean, how bizarre that this was the biggest church in all of Christendom built in the 6th century. It is a monster, monster church, monster building in the 6th century. and it was a church for 1,000 years or whatever, 900 years taken over by the Ottomans. So we were everywhere. And I'm going to have, I think, tomorrow or Thursday, we're going to bring on John Zmirak and Albin, because they were on the trip as well to hear their side of the story. But it was, my gosh, there was so much.

There was so much. But I'm not, you know, I don't like the, you know, the endless. food and I kept joking that we're on a booze cruise, you know, but I'm not a, I'm not a boozer. You're not a booser. You're not a gobbler. I'm not a booser. And I'm neither am I a somebody who's like, oh, great, endless food. Because if there's endless food, I'll eat it.

So I tried not to eat too much. We did a last minute kind of budget cruise with my brother-in-law and a bunch of, a bunch of his kids and our kids about three months ago. and my kryptonite, I have to confess, is the soft-served machine. Because it's just, it's unguarded, more or less. And you can just, you know. Get thee behind me. That's what I say to the soft-served machine. Get thee behind me.

Honestly, it's, yeah, it's bad. It's bad. You got to stay away. You got to stay away, man. But it was fun. I think, I mean, we're going to be talking about it over the next couple of weeks, and especially with Albin and John Smirak. Yeah, and we'll get Victoria Jackson on too.

Obviously, she was on the cruise. to hear her stories. The Vicky story, let me tell you, we, I don't know where to begin. I don't know where to begin. I will say, before I talk about the cruise, because I want to talk about the cruise, we've got some special guests coming up to today's program, but I wanted to talk about two things. First of all, I want to talk about the cruise, but actually previous to that, I want to talk about the situation with Iran. I am a you know, a big pro-Israel guy. But I also don't believe that we ought to be involved in foreign wars if we can help it. So I feel like I come out kind of in the middle here.

I think that if it's true that Iran was on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon, which I believe it is, I don't see that Israel had a choice. in taking out their nuclear capabilities. How far it goes, I don't know. I also think it needs to be said because you get a lot of MAGA folks who are, they're so against entanglement in foreign wars, which as I say, I am as well. But I think the only thing I thought I can add to this conversation is I think there is a time when, and I think Trump is brilliant at this, which is why I trust Donald Trump.

When in doubt, I trust Donald Trump. He understands that you have to be unpredictable. In other words, if you say, we, the United States, don't want a war with Iran, they're going to take that to the bank. And you can't let them know what you're going to do. So I think moving aircraft carriers and threatening them in that way oftentimes is necessary. because you want to keep them guessing, and you don't want them to know that you're not going to strike. It is my personal hope that we do not strike directly, that we leave it to Israel and that we support

Israel in whatever way. But I believe we ought not to get pulled into another foreign war. I hope we will not get pulled into another foreign war. I think it could be devastating for this nation if we get pulled. into another foreign war in the Middle East. So I'm on the side of those who say we ought not to. But at the same time, I respect President Trump's desire to come across as threatening and unpredictable to the enemies of Israel, who are also, let's be blunt, our enemies. So I just think that's something that's important.

Chris, did I lose you? You were there for a minute. I see Chris Himes as, I know he's here. In any event, we're going to go to break in a couple of minutes, but I did want to say that that is really, it's a fine line. And so you've got people that are, you know, banging the drums for war like Mark Levine and others that, you know, we want to. And I think there are other people who are speaking extremely strongly against it.

And I feel like I can see both sides. in that I do believe it is we need to be clear that the neocons, the Forever War Party, that day is done. But I think Trump has made that clear. And I don't think we need to worry very much that he is going to be. I don't think Trump wants to entangle us in a foreign war. But I think he has to, as I've said, seek come across as unpredictable so that Iran doesn't know what we're going to do. And so I think the MAGA base needs to trust him.

You know, let him know, yes, we don't want to get involved in foreign wars, but at the same time trust his instincts. So it's a little bit complicated. I don't know. One thing I see, there are people, I'm sorry to say, like Candace Owens, who genuinely come across as anti-Semitic. And I find it bizarre because she's so wonderful. in so many ways.

But she said something, she put something on X a few days ago that I just found really strange that that just comes across as unhelpful. Let's put it that way. Anyway, we're going to go to a break. When we come back, I want to talk more about the cruise.

It really has, there's so much to relate. There was so many wonderful people. We're definitely going to do something like this next year. We've got to figure out how. Anyway, We'll be right back. I am Eric from Texas, and I'm back. Stick around. As you know, our friend Mike Lindell has a passion to help everyone get the best sleep of their life.

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Is that his real name? It is. He has another name. He's got another. It's Papa Tom something. It's not Tom Papa. It's the producer and the host of the show don't know the name of my guest. Because Papa Tom, Tom, Papa Tom is.

That's your good name. It's ubiquitous that the last name. It's like Madonna. We don't know Madonna's last name. It's on. It's Chickaroni. Chikorone. You made that up. Chikaroni. Yeah, no, I didn't make it up. That's her name. Well, so in any case, we've got, he's coming up next. And then we have Abby Robertson, who is the granddaughter of Pat Robertson, the daughter of Tim Robertson, the niece of Gordon Robertson. She is somebody I've known for years. She's been a host on CBN doing the news there. She started a podcast, a miracle podcast, with our friend Ryan Bethay. It's called Heaven Meets Earth. We're going to be talking to her as well today. But so just to get back to the Kooky Cruise,

Victoria Jackson was there with her husband, Paul. And the last day of the cruise, we were, we had, we had spent the day in Crete, and we got back on, and I spoke for the last time. And then she came up. She did a little comedy. And then she sang a song. And it was so beautiful, so moving, that I want to play that, not today, but I want to put the video out there, actually. If you, if you follow me on social media, I'll put it on social media, and we may put it on my Ericmetaxis.com news blast on Friday because we didn't get,

we couldn't put it out in today's Tuesday email. But it was so beautiful. Suzanne was all choked up. Our other friends were choked up. It was really moving because Vicki, Victoria Jackson, has, she has stage four cancer. And so she talked about that.

She sang this beautiful song. That was amazing. Albin and I and John Zmirak did the go-karts. and I crashed hard into John Smirak. This is like something we would script, but it actually happened. And so John now has a goiter as a result of that accident, and we're going to be talking to him about that. Actually, the goiter part might be made up, but we had a,

it was the bumper car, they weren't bumper cars. They were very fast go-carts. So that was kind of crazy. But we stopped in, my goodness, Santorini, Mikanos, Volos.

In Volos, we made a special bus journey, like two hours by bus, to the Meteora monasteries. It is surreal. It's like a Dr. Seuss landscape. I think we posted some photos of it.

I posted photos on my Instagram account. There are these outcroppings of rock, these strange natural rock formations that soar, hundreds and hundreds of feet. And in the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th centuries, monks built monasteries on the tops of these rocks. It's inconceivable how they got up there. Or actually, I should say, they didn't build the monasteries until the latter part of the epic I was just referring to. But many of them were ascetics. And so the whole idea of getting away

from it all to pray. Meteora was amazing. And one thing I learned, Chris, I love learning stuff because I didn't know this. But the word meteorora, it comes from the Greek in between heaven and earth. And so anything to deal with meteorological stuff, when we say, you know, the meteorological fork,

or I'm a meteorologist, that deals with, you know, the weather. And it comes from this Greek word. and that's where the Greek word meteora comes from. But it was these things seem, these monasteries seem like they're suspended between heaven and earth. It's absolutely unbelievable. And it was, I had a very moving moment. It sounds funny in the gift shop.

I walk into the gift shop and the woman who is doing the guide, the guide, I should say, for our little group, says to the guy running the gift shop, you know, Aftosine eleanes, this guy's a Greek, you know, because most of the tours that she runs,

they're not Greeks. And our group was not Greek, but I was Greek. And the guy behind the cash register was like so excited, you know, and what amazed me was how I got choked up with pride because I think I attached the whole, idea of being proud to be Greek with my dad. Because it's like if you want to make your dad proud,

I knew that my father always wanted us to be proud that we were Greek and proud of our Greek heritage and so and so forth. And the older I get, the more proud I am of my Greek heritage. And now that my dad has passed, it's beyond. And so just this little moment for this tour guide to say to the guy behind the cash, say, hey, this guy's Greek. Hey, bravo, he said, and that, you know, I was just really touched. I was so moved. I really kind of couldn't believe that I would just get affected that way. I guess, again, just thinking to my dad, the whole time I was thinking to my dad, of course.

But we went to so many different places. I spoke on Bonhofer. I spoke on Luther. I spoke on Wilberforce. I spoke on Is Atheism Dead? I spoke on letter to the American Church. and the first talk I gave my testimony, which you can read about in fish out of water. So I spoke six times, and it was just, it was fun.

I think there were a number of friends along who were able to come, including Albin and his wife, Anne, John Zmirak, and his wife Bob. Just kidding. And Vicky, but many other friends. was a great joy to be able to see friends. Our friend Marade and her husband Jim, Marade, I've known for 37 years and other folks from the St. Paul's Daryenne era many years ago. So a number of friends from different parts of our life were able to come. But we met so many new friends. And that's the other part of it, that there's so many of you who listen to this program. I do think of you as friends when we meet in a book signing line or whatever it is.

and it was just such a joy to be with a group of folks like this and just to get some time. And nobody got seasick. Did I mention that? Chris, are you nodding? Are you there? Sorry. Say that?

What was that? The cut out. I said nobody got seasick. Well, I was concerned you guys were going to go off the tracks on the go-karts. So I'm just happy that the go-carts weren't turned in. Yeah, it's hard to flip the go-carts. But no, it's just interesting because I think Keith Junta said like, oh, I wouldn't do that. I think I wouldn't do that. I think I'm telling you folks, you don't get seasick on the this is this is like state of the art.

They have you actually sleep really well. It's like a gentle rocking and you, I slept great when I was on the cruise. So it's it's wonderful sleep conditions. Right. But I'm saying even people who say, oh, I think I get seasick. I don't think you're going to get seasick on something like this. It's just so the stabilizers, I mean, it was almost unbelievable to me how smooth it was. I said, I can't get over this. You don't feel like you're on a ship. You feel like you're in a 13-story high-rise building moving through the ocean at 20 knots an hour. I mean, it was absolutely bizarre. But so the last, a couple of days I didn't even get to go ashore because I had to prepare for my talks because, you know, talking about Bonhofer for an hour,

I can't do that off top of my head like I used to do because. I've forgotten some stuff. And the same thing with Luther and the same thing with Wilberforce. I had to reread my books. But we went ashore in Crete the last day, just two days ago, it's bizarre. And we went to see the Palace of Knawisau's. And that was excavated by Sir Arthur Evans in 1900. It's incredible.

I mean, this means a lot to me. if you've listened to the program, I really care about the, so the Mycenaean era and Heinrich Schliemann and Dorpfeld and Arthur Evans, and these people who excavated another world, the world that nobody believed existed, they excavated it. And of course, the Minoan civilization, that is Crete. So it predates the Mycenaean by a few centuries. There's a strong Egyptian influence.

And that's another thing that's fascinating. to see the influence because Crete, obviously you look on a map, it's north of Africa, south of Europe, west of the Middle East. So it's a real crossroads. So you get all these different influences. So I learned so much just on this short trip. And I look forward to going back. I will eventually write my book about Homeric Ithaca. But right now, of course, I'm working on the revolution.

and in case you missed it, today is the 250th anniversary of the Battle of Bunker Hill. The Battle of Bunker Hill, the more I study this, the more I am amazed at, you know, you realize why is the Battle of Bunker Hill so famous? It's famous because it was the first real battle and because the Americans did so well that it pretty much scared the British for the rest of the war. They were not willing to take us on directly ever again as a result. of what we did at the Battle of Bunker Hill. So it's kind of amazing.

It'll all be in my book. All right, when we come back, I'm talking to Papa Tom. We've had him on before. I said, we've got to get him back. He's a great guest. And Abby Rogers in our two. Don't go away.

Folks, welcome back. Okay, I'm going to stop talking about the crews. I'm going to talk about, I'm talking with Papa Tom Clark. We had him on the program before. He has a podcast. called the Father's Heart. And our last conversation was so fascinating. I said, I want to get you back on here.

Papa Tom Clark, welcome back. Thanks, Eric. I'm glad to be here. I thought about this conversation, prayed about it before I got on the line with you, and I had certain things I wanted to share that will follow on us to what we talked about, about the Father's Heart and things that God's doing in the world.

And it dovetails into, I think, your book, which you've mentioned to me, was called The Revolution. And you also mentioned to me last time we talked. If I remember correctly, the topic, the conversation which we led off of it was that you and I both agreed that Donald J. Trump is the father to America. I called him the third father of America. You might have as well. Well, listen, when you said that, that's when my head exploded, not literally, because I have said, the only people that have said this, as far as I know are you, me, and Steve Bannon. and I believe it's from the Lord,

that we're in the third existential crisis of our history. The first is the revolution, which I'm writing a book about, second is a civil war, and the third is right now, and that God raised up, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln,

and President Trump to be, in a sense, a father to the country. And you said that. I'd never said that before, but the last time a few weeks ago when you were on, you said that. And I thought,

wow, this is God, because I know this innately, but I've never heard anybody say it. Well, scripture says that two or three witnesses let every fact be confirmed. So you just mentioned three. You and I and Steve Bannon, correct? Yeah. Those are three that mentioned all came to the same conclusion, same thought process. So I wanted to continue on that stream of thought because I think is very important. I think it's very important for your listeners to listen to it, because not only is

that track coming out through this conversation, but I had this impression that it's also going to come out in the book you're reading. And in the book you're reading, I'm not reading. You mean the book I'm writing? Right, the revolutionary book. Oh, yeah. It's because a lot of what you're doing in that book, and your books are very good. I read a lot of your books. You can go back and track the history, right, and find things that are happening in history. But to make your book as powerful of God wants to make it, it'll lead into what's going to happen. So you have a revolution book. This is the history, and here we are today, ladies, and this is where we're going. You see I'm saying? Right. And the implication of where we're going is what God is doing in history before it happens.

Remember, history is the word his story. So history, his story, we both agree we're at the end times. the end times his story is coming to the age the end of the age is coming to its conclusion and in that age coming to the conclusion what's God's doing to bring it about and that's what I think your book can go into and it's going to correlate or integrate with the return of the fathers I also mentioned you a very important thing where this was breaking out and I mentioned it was breaking out in the prisons if you remember I made that conversation with you last conversation we have with you I told you one of the person I interviewed was a gentleman by the name is Cyril Prabu. He has the same mission statement that God had given me Malachi 4-6. At the end of

the age, I bring the hearts of the fathers of the children and the hearts of the children to their fathers. Lest they smite the land with a curse. And two years later, he told me the curse was fatherlessness. Fathersness is rampant in the prisons. Ninety-eight percent of those people have no relationship to their father. That's where they're in prison. But to break the recidivism rate and so forth, they mentioned to you footwashing was the process, where, which God put on Cyril Prabhu's heart, and it's breaking out in North Carolina, South Carolina,

Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, in the prisons. It's down at the lowest common denominator of society. You can't get any lower than bringing a prisoner in a society. And God's bringing back the fathers in that society. By bringing the children into the prisons, the prisoners have a basin of water, they ask the children to,

the fathers kneel down, take their shoes off of their children, wash the children's feet, look in the children's eyes, and ask them to forgive them for what they've done. Bam, the Holy Spirit drops. The children cry, the fathers cry. Everybody in the place cries. And God breaks through, and that's the beginning of the return of the fathers. These men who never had fathers step up to the plate and they become fathers by asking forgiveness of their children. It's a miracle.

It's something that's the beginning of revival that's happening. It sure sounds like it. It really, really sounds like this is God, that this is how would God do it? Not the way man would do it. He would do it in prisons with the lowest of the low, prisoners. And when you, you know, it's like it's like the deepest part of the wound. The prisoners who have themselves not had a father who pass on the sin. And then now they repent.

Exactly. And healing comes in. I mean, this is very powerful stuff. And I want, I want people to know your podcast is called the Father's Heart. And I assume people can find that anywhere. Yeah, it's on Spotify. It's all over the places, mostly Spotify. Because there's so much, there's so much more to it.

It's the Father's Heart podcast. Papa Tom Clark is. is the host. And where are you located again? Remind me where you are. I'm located in Charlotte, North Carolina. But you grew up where? Oh, I told you the story before. I was born in Brooklyn, grew up in Long Island. Yes. I said, I heard it in your voice. Last time we were the guy said, this guy's from Long Island. I can hear it in his voice because I know, having spent a lot of time in Long Island, I know what that sounds like. All right, folks, when we come back, we have more.

It's kind of like a miracle Monday today, even though it's Tuesday, but I've been away. and so we'll be right back with Papa Tom Clark. And again, the podcast is the father's heart. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to Papa Tom Clark. Tom, welcome back. We were just talking about this idea of fatherhood and the idea of how God works in history

and how Donald Trump is a father to the nation. Now, for those who hate Trump, that must just sound awful. But talk about that. Why do you see him as being a father to the nation? Well, I see him as being a father to the nation because it's the reason why God has put him in the position he's put him in is because he could touch his heart.

He could touch his heart. I remember I told you back about 2016, when God showed me about this happening to him, that he would be as Jacob. And he would wrestle with the angel, and God would change his name to Israel, which means prince of the kingdom. He was out. Why he was able to do that is because he had a father's heart.

Now, how did that happen to this particular man who grew up in, I think he was in Queens, actually, he started from. But wherever he was in New York, he was a New Yorker. He honored his father and mother. We talked about this before. He honored Fred and his mother, okay? He loves his grandchildren. He loves his children. He loves his country.

It's that kind of a place. I don't care what his tweets, by the way, has some real funny ones. But whatever the personality characteristics are, his heart is in the right place. and God could use them. So a lot of people would hate or just buy his things he says sometimes, but in his heart of hearts, his heart's in the right place.

And God's using that man to bring about the changes he wants to happen. And they will be big changes. And that's what's got to feed into your book, by the way, the word revolution. What do you mean when you say that? Because I'm curious. Well, we mentioned you mentioned existential threats before,

threats before to the country. And you started talking about George Washington and breaking with the Revolutionary War, we break with the tyranny of England, right? Yeah. All these existential threats have to do with freedom. And then if you go to a civil war,

it had to do with freedom, freedom with slaves. Well, we're in a place where now where the deep state and evil forces have tried to put Americans, well, everybody in the world, basically, but in America, specifically, into bond. into taking away our freedoms away from us. So God uses a father to bring freedoms back to us.

In fact, I was thinking about this before, and I was thinking about Jesus himself, when he first started his ministry, he picked up the book of Isaiah when he was in a synagogue up in Nazareth, and he read from Isaiah 61. And in that, he said, he set the captives free. It was a scripture that specifically deals, with the issue of liberty and setting the captives free. And so in Luke 4, it tells you the same

thing that he said has to do with freedom. And that's the same thing why George Washington, God uses a father to set his people free from tyranny from King George. He used Abraham Lincoln as a father to set the slaves free. He's using Donald Trump to give a rebirth to America to set the people back to the freedom of their original founding fathers, again, fathers again, founding fathers gave us. So these are things which follow a pattern. And this pattern that happens, it happens throughout history. The original sin that we had took our freedom away from us.

Back when Adam sinned in the garden, remember? And God said the seed of the woman would crush the seed of the serpent. It's been a battle back and forth between mankind and Satan, basically. who was the seed of the serpent, trying to steal that from us. We have that still happening in evil today. They're trying to steal our freedom away from us, and God is using Donald Trump to bring that freedom back to us. It's amazing to me how the enemy tries to twist everything around.

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. This is Jesus now, beginning his ministry, to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty. Hear that word. Liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind.

To set at liberty, twice. He's mentioned liberty now. Liberty to those who are oppressed to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. That was what his ministry. His conclusion in Jesus' calling in his destiny was to defeat death. His crucifixion and the resurrection defeated death.

He defeated death at the cross. We had the resurrection. And his promise was he's going to return. And when he finally returns, that's the consummation of all things. That's when he completely defeats death in the return. That's why he was saying that death, where is your victory?

Where is your sting? I'm coming back. I'm coming back. He's acting like the father wants him to do to set his people free from the bondage of sin and death, specifically death. Now, do you have a sense, and I'm not like fishing here. I'm just curious. Do you have a sense of what the next few years will hold prophetically?

I just got the idea that you asked me this last time, and we got up to do this. I think we're headed at the brink. You mentioned it, and this is the part of my Greek, we are the most exciting time in history. Again, the most exciting time of history, his story. Why is the most exciting time in history or his story is because he's coming back. And in that coming back, what's going to happen? I think the next few years are going to be very, very good. A lot of people think it's not.

I think it's going to be very, very good. And I think what's very, very good is because it's going to lead into the greatest revival the world has ever seen. That's the revival of a billion souls. Some prophetic people are saying a billion souls. We get eight billion people in the world, like one billion are going to come. How is God going to do that? I don't know exactly how he's going to do that, but I know one thing.

He's going to use fathers. He's going to use fathers to do it. From the lowest regs of society, he's bringing back the fathers in the prisoners to the highest realms of the world. Donald J. Trump is named. Donald, by the way, means world leader. I don't if you know that. No, I didn't. Donald means world leader. Yeah. You know what Eric means? I forgot. Okay. Eric is from the Norwegian or the Vikings. I just looked it up before the show. It actually is a very correlated word to Donald. It means strong ruler, sole ruler. Can you imagine that Eric Metaxus, who cares so much about words, doesn't remember the meaning of his first name?

That's pathetic, Eric. Pathetic. Because I've heard that a number of times in my life. I think it's just the humility in me that says, you know, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to get puffed up thinking about the meaning of my name. But of course, it's just the opposite. It's God's will that we would operate in that way. we're well we have a couple more segments i'm talking to papa tom clark the the podcast is the father's heart podcast and you've written a number of children's books papa tom's tales a grandfather's

bedtime stories a series of kids books um about the love of god the father so when we come back we'll talk more about that with papa tom clark and this is the erc metaxis show before I continue my conversation with Papa Tom Clark, I want to remind you of our friends at the Herzog Foundation. I talk about this incessantly that education is at the heart of how we take our country back. We have to take everything back, and education is right at the center of it. And as I think we know by now, Marxist lunatics have infiltrated and taken over the public school system. Not everywhere, not every school, not every teacher, but certainly. largely that has happened over the decades. It's the long march through the institutions.

So homeschooling and quality K through 12 Christian education is the answer. For that, I warmly recommend our friends at the Herzog Foundation. Our friends at the Herzog Foundation, it's a foundation. They're there to help you. So if you have questions about homeschooling or if you're interested in it, they're there to help you. They're research. So I want to say, go to Herzog Foundation.com. Tell your friends about it, folks, because it doesn't get better. They're there to help you do this or to look into it and see if you want to do it. HerzogFoundation.com. Please check it out. HertzogFoundation.com. I'm talking to Papa Tom Clark. We're talking about fathers. Your podcast is called the father. I'm sorry, it's called the father's heart podcast. So your sense is, is that we're on the verge of revival. It is my sense as well that this is the Second American Revolution

and that what we're seeing right now is necessary to bring us back to our roots. We were a Christian nation. America could not have come into being without scores of our leaders being profound Christians. I mean, wherever you look, John Adams, Sam Adams, George Washington, Patrick Henry, down the line. So many of them were profound Christians. George Whitfield, of course, set the stage before the revolution. So it really is unavoidable that we're a Christian nation.

We couldn't come into being without Christian faith. However, our Christian faith is so authentic that we know you can't force somebody to become a Christian. So even though real Christian faith is necessary for a country where we have real liberty, where people govern themselves, part of that liberty means you can't force somebody to be a Christian. And that's a good thing, folks. Religious liberty is a good thing. I'm on the president's counsel for religious liberty. It's at the heart of everything. If you don't have religious liberty, you can't have real liberty. So we just got a few minutes left in this segment, and then we've got another segment. But Papa Tom Clark, what say you?

Well, we originally said that we are a Christian nation. We have a covenant with God. The 1620 Mayflower a pact in 16, 20, over 400 years ago, 425, 405 years ago now, we compact. God made an agreement with us. We are a Christian nation from our founding. Everything that established, you took it the 56 founding fathers that signed the Declaration of Independence. Every single one of them knew the Bible, every single one of them. Sixty-five percent of our founding documents were founded on what scripture was, and the preliminary thing that they, the primary thing they were priority, was freedom. That's why they wrote what they, throat. They were being freed from tyranny, freedom from a governmental structure that was going to take

the freedom away from people, and they gave it to the people, not in a democracy, but in a republic. But they established that for God's purposes. America was no mistake. There's a good movie out, by the way, called the miracle, the American Revolution. And one of the things parts of that is it talks about all the miracles that happened with George Washington and how God preserved his life, like five or six different times. One time these Indians in the French and Indian War were shooting out in point blank. I had read the story in detail one time.

I said 19 times they shot out the guy, point blank. They shot the horse out from him. They shoot them bullets. It was like the Matrix. They shoot the bullets and it would come to his coat and it would just fall down. It's like the movie The Matrix. Yeah.

It was unbelievable. It was the protection of God because God had a purpose for George Washington to be there and he wasn't going to let anybody take that away from. You know what? We're going to a break. We'll be right back another segment with Papa Tom Clark, the Father's Heart podcast.