The Eric Metaxas Show - Pastor Che Ahn on Running for Governor of California

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Pastor Che Ahn shares how he believes God called him to run for Governor of California.

Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show. Did you ever see the movie The Blobs starring Steve McQueen? The blood-curdling threat of The Blob. Well, way back when, Eric had a small part in that film, but they had to cut his scene because the blob was supposed to eat him. But he kept spitting him out. Oh, the whole thing was just a disaster. Anyway, here's the guy who's not always that easy to digest.

Eric the Texas! I, uh, I'm still reeling from the last few days being with so many friends at the Charlie Kirk Memorial, which I will say again, folks, I can't think of a more powerful witness to the Christian faith ever. I know that sounds like hyperbole, but help me figure this out. Like when have we seen anything like it? After 9-11, we had one service at the Bush National Cathedral where they allowed Billy Graham to give a gospel sermon. That was it.

that was it. The outpouring the other day, the collection of leaders, world leaders in the room, I don't think I've ever, ever, ever seen anything like it. And it's kind of where I think a lot of people get in the memo, like, hey, I think this Christianity thing might be okay. This might be a positive thing.

Yeah. Yeah, it would have been one thing to have just one of those people from the cabinet or maybe even two, but it was everyone. Everyone was there. It was extraordinary. I followed some folks that, you know, on Instagram that were there, some influencers. They're, I think, more libertarian.

I don't think they're of faith, but they escaped Cuba many couple years back. And Charlie Kirk had invited them to a debate, which is obviously something in Cuba that doesn't exist. And they were so touched by the imitation that, you know, you know, they felt, and they live in Arizona, so they felt like they wanted to come and pay their respects to Charlie, and they were so moved by the worship. They were, they, I mean, it looked like there were 300,000 people trying to get in. Obviously, only about a, you know, a third of that could make it in.

But it was extraordinary to see their coverage and just the sea of humanity that was there. And then, you know, they related some of the conversations that were obviously very respectful that they had with other people there. And they were just very, very touched by it. So God is definitely doing something extraordinary. And Chris, speaking of the worship, there was an ex post. I forget the account, Ash, somebody. And she identified herself as Jesus curious, which I loved. So she was not a believer at all, but she was curious. And what really grabbed her was the worship. She said, she had such insightful comment. She said, I didn't know people could look like that. when they joined together in song. It looked like they were connected with each other and connected with something else. And she went down the list saying how much the music, the worship.

And Eric, you were in the room. I mean, Brandon Lake and Chris Tomlin and, gosh, I mean, the biggest names we have, Kerry Job, I think others were there. And this woman, some of the, summarized the impact that our worship should have every time we gather. Our worship should be transcendent. It should be otherworldly. It should be stunningly beautiful. And this woman is coming to faith because of what she experienced in the worship. It's beautiful. Well, see, this is the thing. When people see this for the first time, they go, what is this? They don't know what this.

Like, what is this? This is powerful, but why? what is what is happening and I think I mean imagine folks I mean some people music really affects me and I could get this with you know quote unquote secular songs right you know uh elton john or something like I'm just moved we are made in the image of God so we're moved by art and music and we're created for that so imagine that you're moved and then you're actually singing to God and it's really real. It's not an idea. You're not singing about God. You're singing to God. It is stunning. It's an amazing emotional thing. This is the right way to order our emotions. There's ecstasy in the right direction. And I have to say that that was part of it. I think that there were a lot of people there, probably Elon Musk and others who thought, what is this? Like I've heard about God. Like this is just who are these people? These are all people. I respect amazing people who are witnessing to God. Like we've lived in a secular world, ladies and gentlemen.

I've lived in a secular world where there's no reference to God. There's no, it's just like it doesn't exist. And so when you're confronted with it, especially in the beauty of this moment, celebrating the life of this young man who was murdered, you can't help but be touched. And there were so many, I have to tell you, I can't even think of the people that I spoke with Mark Driscoll. I spoke to Mark Driscoll was there. Alyssa Childers. I spoke with her. Just so many people that everywhere you turned, that it was, you know, it is like a foretaste of heaven. It's a beautiful thing. We were hanging out with Billy Hollowell.

It was unlike anything that I could remember. But I think that the bottom line is that this is just the beginning. I think there's there's a move of God happening in this country that the secular left to say they're not prepared for this, this is their worst nightmare. Of course, it should be the most wonderful thing in the world for them. And some of them are going to are going to say maybe I missed something. Maybe I was wrong, you know. So one thing I want to say just for clarity, because a lot of people don't get this. It was one of the reasons I love Donald Trump is because he's so honest.

And I remember a few years ago at the National Prayer Breakfast, Arthur Brooks, who I just interviewed for Socrates in the studio, was talking about how we're supposed to love our enemies. And Trump gets up right after he's like, I don't get that. What do you mean love our enemies? Doesn't make any sense. And he's honest about that.

Like, I don't get it. And you shouldn't get it. Like, apart from God, it's like, it makes no sense. It's like, what do you mean to love enemies? I want to kill my enemies. I want to defeat my enemy. What do you mean? And the other day it happened again where Trump gets up and he's like, I don't know.

I think maybe Erica would tell me I'm supposed to, you know, love my enemy. I hate my enemies. You know, he says it, right? And I love that. He's honest because most people feel this kind of like religious guilt. Like, well, I guess I should love my enemies, but I don't get it. And it's like, no, you're right to say that's a dumb idea in my mind. Can you explain that to me? Because I don't get it. And I think the church has done a bad job. We speak in this religious language. It is a profound thing. And to say it like it's simple to get. It's the opposite of simple. It makes no sense on one level. And unless you know you are a sinner, you want to talk about the guy who murdered Charlie, oh, he's a sinner? Yeah. Yeah, that's correct. But if you don't think you're a sinner, you don't get it. You don't have God's

perspective. God wants you to know that apart from him, you're bad. Apart from him, you do bad stuff. And if you think, well, compared to, it's God says, no, no, no, I compare you to Jesus. You lose. You cannot be compared. So unless you see your own guilt and your own need of a savior, you can't comprehend forgiveness and grace. You cannot. And so that's part of this beautiful moment to me is that I think people like, what do you mean love my enemies? What do you mean forgive the killer? like how do I what does that mean now it doesn't mean you know you let the killer out of jail it doesn't mean that there's not the wheels of justice but to have the to comprehend that i need god's grace there are a lot of people they don't get that they kind of think well i'm i'm pretty good i do good

all right well according to the bible according to god you don't get it god wants you to get it he wants you to see your own guilt before him that you have chosen yourself over others that you have done enough bad that you're guilty. And you're guilty enough that apart from him, you don't get to go to heaven. But then you realize, well, God says, if I accept him by faith and I humble myself, he wants me to be with him in heaven. So he sends his son into the world to die in my place. What I deserve, I don't get.

What Jesus deserves, he doesn't get. and what he doesn't deserve he gets and he dies on the cross so you don't have to. I mean, this is the mind-blowing paradox at the center of Christian faith. And when you get that, it changes everything. And the nation is on the verge of getting this on a level that we've never seen before. It's so powerful. We'll be right back. My Pillow is excited to announce they're having their biggest three-and-one sale ever with a limited edition product,

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Hey, folks, welcome back. If you've listened to this program for some time, you know that I have become friends with a lot of absolutely heroic, patriotic pastors in California. California under Gavin Newsom really suffered the most. And so we have the most heroic pastors who stood against the lunacy of the authoritarian. Gavin Newsom, Governor Newsom, and I've had all those pastors on this program, John MacArthur, Rob McCoy, Jack Hibbs, Mike McClure, and others. And of course, in that list is Cheon. Pastor Cheon, who is in Pasadena, I've spoken in his church, has decided recently, and this was such music to my ears.

He's decided recently this pastor to run for governor in California. And I just thought, wouldn't it be amazing to get him on the program to talk to him about everything? And here he is. Pastor Cheon, welcome back. Love to see you. Well, thank you, Eric. What an honor to be with you. And you are one of my heroes. I mean that. And so thank you so much. Love you. Love your program. But I want to just go on the record say that I didn't decide I felt called. I felt prophetically, God woke me up at 222 in the morning on April the 28th, and the presence of God came upon me. And I didn't hear a voice.

I didn't have a dream. But the presence of God, I knew I was called to run for governor. And my reaction was, God, please, not this. I'll do anything for you, but not run for governor, please. I wrestled with the Lord for two hours. And then I finally said, okay, Lord, if you want me to go, I'm going to throw out a crazy fleece. I wish I could just obey you just by the impression you're giving me. But I am weak.

I need a confirmation. And so I said, let President Trump invite me to the White House. And if he invites me and if I get an invitation, because I've met President Trump twice in 2024. And personally, in a small group setting, and then when we were in Atlanta, Charlie Kirk invited me to come to Atlanta with around 300 pastors to meet President Trump. But unfortunately, the room that they reserved was too small, so they reduced it to 80. And I made the cut. I made the cut to 80.

And so I was looking forward to meeting him. But I had no idea I was going to be asked to pray for him. So I met him October the 23rd and 2024. And so I said, Lord, I would love to meet him again. but this time I would like to be invited to the White House. I went to our early morning prayer meeting at 5.30, and when I returned, there was an email from the White House, from President Trump, invited me to the Rose Garden for the National Day of Prayer.

And so three days after having this call, I'm right there as he signed the executive. You were there, Eric, for the executive order. I believe you were there. No, no, I was not there. I'm on the Religious Liberty Commission, and I was invited to be there and I was so excited, but this happened to me two or three times in months previous that I was invited to the White House and I could not go.

I had a previous engagement that's impossible to get out of. And so I was very upset, you know, that I couldn't be there. But listen, you know and I know the Lord wants us to be in one place at one time and he will work out the details. And so, no, I was not there for that. but of course I was aware of this momentous occasion. And what you're saying, Pastor Che, just so people who are listening are clear, people who listen to this program know that I believe God speaks to us.

And now, just because God speaks to us doesn't mean that there aren't plenty people who imagine it, who make it up, who try to, you know, put their own fleshly spin on it to make it sound spiritual. I would never have somebody on this program who would do that. So my friend Ken Fish and so many others who talk about this, this is really, serious, folks, that God does speak to us. And we have to have real trepidation and caution. You want to know, is this really God? And what exactly is God saying? And so when you, Che, say this, I know you as a person, as a man, a man of God. And it's a big deal when you say

this kind of stuff. You don't make this up. And then for you to say that you put out a fleece, which, you know, many Christians are familiar with that concept. You say, God, I need you to confirm this for me because this is tough this is heavy what you're saying can you can you somehow miraculously confirm this for me so you just said you asked i needed an invitation of the white house if you do that then on you know even that coming up with that the holy spirit's involved in that you know kind of leading your thoughts that way but then boom it happens which is you know at least very interesting for people who are listening right now well i think we have to look to the bible and John 1027 says, my sheep hear my voice. I know them and they follow me. God is a speaking God.

He spoke to all the people in the Bible at different times by different means. It's not always a small still voice. It could be through a dream. It could be through other prophets who will speak on behalf of God. So God speaks in many different ways. There was a great book called The Windows of the Soul by Ken Geyer. And he talked to you. talks about how God will speak to even as you're watching TV or have seen a movie, something in the movie would jump out and confirm something. And what I do, the test to know this is of the Lord, number one, is it based on the Word of God. It's a biblical. If it's contrary to the Word of God, there was the pizza you had the night before, and it's not of the Lord. Number two, you have to have

godly counsel. And so the first thing I did was I share with my wife, and she immediately said, this is a fulfillment of why we came to California in 1984, because God gave me a dream to come to California for revival and reformation. And now we're starting to see it with President Trump. We're seeing it with Charlie Kirk. And this is all part of the move of the Holy Spirit to bring about revival and reformation in America. Look, we can't have the golden age, as President Trump said, we're in the golden age without seeing the golden state.

being impacted. And this is the most extreme. It's like a Marxist foreign country, a one-party state. And we have to see revival in California because this is the largest economy, $4.1 trillion GDP. Just Silicon Valley alone, when you think of Facebook, when you think of Google, Amazon, it is, we're talking about $3 trillion coming out of Silicon Valley as far as GDP. And then when you talk about Hollywood, when you talk about, and this is really evil, we have more oil in one county, in Kern County, than all of Texas, but because of our woke extreme green policy, everything's been shut down, and we have to import 80 percent of gasoline, causing the most expensive gas, most expensive taxes, most expensive electricity, and 1.5 million people have moved under nuisance

watch out of the state because it's so expensive. And so in the midst of all the prosperity, we are now at 35% poverty level. Think about it, Eric. 35% of California are living in poverty. And to me, this is absolutely injustice. It's unrighteousness. It's evil. And when God called me, I was thinking, Lord, I'm not qualified. I have no background in politics. I've been a pastor for 46 years. I love what I do. I lead a network of churches in 73 nations with thousands of leaders I work with, and I love our church. And yet, I also love the state. And I felt like the Lord say that what it's going to take is not business as usual, having another politician run.

This is a spiritual battle. We don't wrestle against flesh and blood. Ephesians 612, but against principalities, against powers, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places. This is a spiritual battle, and what we need is we need a historic revival and transformation or reformation to turn this state around. And I've been a revivalist and a reformer since I got saved in 1973 through the Jesus revival, Jesus people movement. And it made sense to me, okay, I understand why you're calling me, not that I want to do it, because I know the left is going to attack my family. I know because I sued Governor Newsom in 2020 and the vitriol from the media, the absolutely canceled culture. NBC today called me a pastor that's killing his own church member, a selfish pastor.

So the attack on me personally, which was all fake news, was all lies because, you know, I'm opening up because not only does the word say, do not forsake the Assembly of the Saints, which is the gathering of the Saints, as we're going to be a gathering of the Saints, as we're going to be a lot of the Saints, as we're going to be in the Saints, as we're going to be in the Saints, as we're see the day drawn near, you know, that's in Hebrews 1025, but I knew I had to open up because people are discouraged. They're fighting anxiety. They're fighting all sorts of depression. And for me not to come where the church, I think, is the most essential in society to me would be evil from my part. I just want to say before we go to the break here, folks, do you understand who I'm talking to? This is Pastor Chey-on, who sued God. Governor Newsom. In other words, you know, you hear about churches, oh, they do the right thing. They open their doors. They do that. That's phenomenal. But to go the next step and to say,

we're going to sue the governor because what the governor is doing is totally out of line. We're doing this on behalf of everybody in the state of California. This is a glorious thing to have leaders like that. We will continue with Pastor Cheon, who's running for governor of California. Praise the Lord. We'll be right back. I'm talking to Pastor Cheon. It's spelled A-H-N. And Pastor Che, I was spoken in your church. We've seen each other many times. You've been on this program in the past telling your story of coming to faith, which is a beautiful story.

We need to get that back up on YouTube so people can hear that part of your story. But I think, you know, when somebody says there are a lot of people, and you know this, who are listening, who are maybe not Christians or there are certain kind of Christians, when they hear somebody say, God woke me up and, made an impression on my heart that I need to run for governor. That's not a language they speak. They're like, what is that? I don't get that. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm here to tell you, I do get that. I do get that.

And I think it's important that we all at least try to get it, that God speaks to us. Now, just as much as we need to be cautious, because they get a lot of people who are going to claim things like that, nonetheless, there is the real thing. And I can give you examples in my own life where similar things happened to me. And I think it's, again, proper to be skeptical to say, is that really, really God? And so, Jay, when you say that, you know, again, there's some people like, what? That's like a religious nut. What is he talking about?

But if God speaks to you, you know you'd be a fool not to take it seriously. So you are taking it seriously. You're going to run for governor. What does this look like? I mean, this is a monster assignment from God. And whatever comes out of it, whether you, win or don't win because God didn't promise you you would win, but he said, I want you to run. To be obedient to that is just a tremendous thing. How do you go about this at this point?

I mean, from here on in, I mean, here we are still in September. How do you go about launching this? No, that's a great question. And I think God has prepared me as far as my relationship with Jesus Christ. It's Matthew 633, seeking first his kingdom. and his righteousness, then all these things will be added unto us. Of course, that's in the context of finances, but I think it's a verse for life,

that when you put Jesus first and you want to do what is on his heart, what his will is, to walk in the ways of God, this is very, very important, and then righteousness is really doing what's right, doing God's will now, fulfilling that, doing what his will is.

So each day, I seek God in a, Of course, we plan. We have speaking engagements. We have barbecues coming up. We have all sorts of event where I'm going to be with the other candidates and there'll be a debate form. It's not really a debate forum in California. They just give you an opportunity to talk, but you don't really talk to each other. You don't call each other out. We just share your policy, but you're together at an event. But each one of those things, I have this verse that is real my life. John 15, verse 5, I'm the vine, you're my branches, he abides in me, will bear much fruit. And this is the key part of the verse.

Apart from me, you can do nothing. I can't do a single thing, Eric, apart from God's grace. And so my approach is that everything I do, I am in prayer. That's what it means to pray without ceasing in 1st Thessalonians 517. I am constantly praying, say, God. I need your grace as I go into this situation. Even as I'm on your show, I'm saying, oh, God, I need your grace. I have no idea what I'm going to be saying.

I know I'm in general, but I want you to speak through me and bless Eric as he introduces me. And I'm praying constantly like that. And so on a macro level, that's how I am approaching the campaign. Now, on a practical, there's certain things you just have to do. I have to do fundraising. I have to use media to get on. And so that's why I thank you for having me on, because I don't have much time. I'm the last person to announce running.

It was in August that, so we're just talking about two months ago. And for me to make that announcement and to hit the road running, I was so far beyond other candidates. But by God's grace, according to the invitations I'm getting, I'm now in the top three. The people that are being invited to speak at certain events now as Sheriff Bianco was a fine man. I met him several times. I like him. Who is that?

I'm not in California. So who is Sheriff in Riverside County. He is a Christian and he has a very strong law and order platform. And yet, you know, he's been in the government. He's a politician. he's been in the government for many years, which you have to run to be a sheriff here in California, and he's won that position for over 20 years.

The other person is Steve Hilton, who's a radio and television personality. He's been on Fox. He's on Fox and friends all the time, so he's visible. He's a businessman. He's an Oxford graduate. He has a pedigree.

And I like him. I really do like him. I've met him. He's just... All these people really love California. They want what's best for California. But what I feel is that they're typical of all the politicians who have run in the past before. And none of them are a pastor number one, you know, and I'm a pastor.

It's like President Trump, you know, had no background in politics. It came out of nowhere. And God used him as Osiris to bring about reform in America. And what a transformation we've had since he's been in office, especially the second term. And I feel that's what's happening with me is that God's calling someone who has absolutely no experience in politics, but we don't need another politician. We need someone who's a father for California. We are living in an orphan state. And, you know, it's interesting, 12 years ago people started to call me Papa Che all around the world. And I hated that because it made me

sound old. And then God corrected me, well, you're a father and a grandfather. Today I have 10 grandchildren, and it's wonderful. I have four adult children. We're not a perfect family, but two of them are pastors, like my dad was a pastor, and my grandkids are coming to know Jesus Christ one by one. It's so thrilling to see three generations of Christians in my house. I'm going to a break, folks. I'm talking to Pastor Cheon, who's running for governor in California.

Don't go away. Welcome back, folks. We're talking to Cheon, C-H-E, his last name, A-H-N, Pastor Chey-on, who is a friend, and I'm so excited he's running for governor in California. And, you know, Pastor Che, I want to be clear with my audience, because this is the, I talk about this a lot, we have to re-educate ourselves on what's what. We really drifted away so that most Americans don't understand how are government's supposed to work, what our founding documents say, what our traditions are of the founding era. And one of these things is you talked about, you know, who's running. This sheriff is a politician.

And I thought we have to be clear. I want to be clear with my audience. We're not supposed to have politicians, folks. Do you understand that George Washington was not a politician? This idea that we have this political class, we're supposed to have people who know how to do whatever, run a business, run a church network, people who know the way things work. And then they say, I'm going to go and I'm going to offer myself to represent the people. But we don't want a professional class.

Joe Biden is the classic example of somebody who for 50 plus years, think about this, is a professional politician. Obama, a professional politician. They don't know anything else. They don't know how to actually do things. They have been working in the bizarre world of politics and government. And it has become, they become political hacks. They become corrupt. They become part of a system.

We're not supposed to have that system. We're supposed to have people who go against that system, people who want to break that system and say, no, we need to get back to citizens who say, I would like to represent other citizens. And so Pastor Chey, you're talking about Donald Trump. It's the exact same thing. What makes him wonderful, and I think what makes your candidacy,

wonderful, the fact that you haven't been in politics. You've been observing it. You love your country, but you've been actually doing other things. You know how normal people function. You know how to speak to people. And that, I think the political class in this country is dying, and we need to get away from this political class, and we need to get back to the kind of leaders that we used to have, people who, they're not professional politicians. They, they, they, they, they, they choose to step in and to represent the people, but it's because of skills they've gotten outside of Washington, outside of Sacramento. So I'm just so grateful to you for being willing to do this. I want to go back to, you know, you said when God impressed it upon you, I know,

obviously you must have thought about this before, but what was it? What did that feel like when you say God is impressing this upon you? Is it what we call a Rima word, or was it just an impression, a deep sense, because, you know, many people maybe haven't experienced that. Well, it was a deep sense. It was not a rame of word. I wish he had given me a rame of word. In fact, I complained to the Lord right away. I say, God, something big like this, why don't you just speak audibly?

You could do that. Why don't you appear to me personally? Why don't you write on the wall with your fingers and say, you are to run for governor? Because this is so monumental in my life, again, is just talking about, laying down everything I love to serve the people of California. But the Lord rebuked me, again, this was now in the small still voice. He said, don't you know me well enough that, and aren't you willing to just obey me if I just give you an impression? Do you really need something with signs and wonders that would convince you that's me?

I want you to walk in a way where you obey me with the slightest impression. Of course, knowing that I'm going to look at the word, I'm going to get good. Valley Council. I'm going to see if the door opens up, if I'm going to have the right staff. And God starts to put everything together confirming again that this is of the Lord. Let me get back to the thing that I really wanted to share. I believe the reason why God called someone like me, and it's just like our founding fathers, I have a biblical worldview. What we need in California is not policies that are just woke.

What we need is foundationally to return to the values that this nation would. founded on. And the valley specifically, I want to enumerate, is found in Psalm 89, verse 14, that heaven's throne. God has a government in heaven, is the kingdom of God, is righteousness and biblical justice, love and truth proceed from his presence or his face. Psalm 89, verse 14. Now, this is important because what we're seeing is not biblical justice, but social justice. We're seeing transgender ideology being shoved down our kids' throats here in California, that parents have no rights. So both there's no righteousness as far as doing what's right with parental rights given to parents, but we are saying just the opposite. We're seeing unrighteousness.

We're seeing injustice. The number one injustice is abortion, still today globally. And we passed in 2023 Proposition 1, codifying abortion. to our state constitution. Think about this area. As soon as Roe v. Wade was overturned with the Dopp's decision on June 24th, 2020. Newsom gets up and he passes a proposition that became law in 2023 to be a sanctuary state for abortion, that this means that people from other states, red states, and he put billboards.

Advertising, abortion is still legal in California and giving them the 800 number. and then at the end he gave a scripture, love your neighbor as yourself. That is satanic. Unless your neighbor is an unborn child in the womb and then you murder. I mean, look, it is satanic. It is absolutely satanic. Forgive me for interrupting, but it is so wicked.

And that's why when I hear that there are Christians that are not registered to vote and don't vote, folks, if you know anybody like that, tell them shame on you, shame on you. because evil is being done because of your misunderstanding of what the Bible teaches about our engagement as citizens. So, Pastor Che, keep going. Sorry. And so what we need is we need compassionate justice, and that's what I'm running on. So I'm running on what the Word of God teaches us how a good government should be. There has to be biblical justice, and I hate to even use an adjective before justice, because in the Bible is just justice. But we've misused that word by,

saying social justice, LGBTQ plus justice. And so there has to be biblical justice, righteousness, but truth. There's nothing but lies coming from Sacramento. And, you know, just to give you the whole energy situation, we have a extreme environmental with Sierra Club, with the Sequel, which is California Environmental Quality Act that we pass, that we cannot do anything without their permission. develop homes, develop neighborhoods with the infrastructure to build house. As a result of it, when we need hundreds of thousands of new homes to meet the needs, we only do around 87,000 homes a year. And we have now the average house costs $950,000 in California. It is injustice towards the point. Wow. That's crazy. We'll be right back, folks. I'm talking to Pastor Cheon,

running for governor in California. Welcome back. I'm talking about. I'm talking about. I'm talking of Pastor Chey on running for governor in California. I am so excited about this, Pastor Chee. Is there a website where people can find you? Yeah, it's really simple. Che C-H-H-E number four, C-A-C-4-C-4-C-A-4-C-A-C-4-C-A-C-4-C-A-C-4-C-A-4-C-A-4-C-A-4-C-A-4-C-A-4-C-4-C-A-4-C-4-C-4-C-4-C-4-C-4-C-4-C-4-C-4-C-4-C-C-4-C-C-4-C-C-C-E. It is exciting to me that you're running and that you're injecting biblical ideas into the conversation because really that's what we're supposed to do. I've talked about this

endlessly in my book letter to the American Church. We're supposed to bring our faith into the culture, into government, into schools. And some people say, oh, that's, you know, Christian nationalism. They come up with all these terms. It's like, it's called living out my faith. Because I'm a Christian, I'm against slavery. So I'm going to advocate for the abolition of the slave trade like William Wilberforce did and like so many Christians did. If I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian, to advocate for civil rights. I'm going to advocate against Jim Crow. This is what Christians do, and I've written about these Christians, whether it's Jackie Robinson or Rosa Parks or William Wilberforce, Christians living out their faith blesses the culture and the nation in which they live. This is what

we're supposed to do, folks. Don't be confused by this. This is not imposing anything. This is living out our beautiful faith to bless other people. That's what this is. And people who don't understand that, Don't understand it. The thing about this, Eric, I'm not even born here. I came as an immigrant from South Korea, and can I add a legal immigrant at the age of five became a citizen. And I love this country. I preached to 94 nations, which is not a hyperbole, because we're in 73 nation.

And every time I come back to this country, it is the best country in the world. It gave my parents an opportunity to prosper. My dad was a pastor, but they were business people. They owned a restaurant. They owned a dental lab. And they bought houses in the nation's capital. They became very wealthy. And they imparted that to me. I am a businessman. I have my own business that started in 2015 as a pastor. And I make more money with my business. And that's what I'm using to finance my campaign. And so I need support, though. I ask people to pray for me, number one. But go to my website and support me financially and volunteer because we need to get, as you said, all these evangelicals who are not even registered. Think about it. We have more evangelicals than any other state except for Texas. Six million of them are not even registered to vote. If we have so shame on those pastors. We would have a red state. Sacramento would be red. We would be able to be so in line with President Trump. And we would truly be part of the Golden Age.

but unfortunately the church has really missed it. They missed the mark. They have sin. They're not stewarding their citizenship. I am so grateful to be a citizen. But I think it's taken an immigrant like me to run to wake up California because 51% of California is people of color. And people have told me we don't need another white male governor because there's no one

of color that's ever been governor of California. So I would be the first one. will be a Korean governor when I'm elected. Well, listen, this is all beautiful. We're going to have you back because there's a lot more to talk about, but I wanted at least to start. So, folks, this is important. You can tell how I feel about Pastor Che and doing this. So please go to his website.

It's C-H-E-C-E-C-A, the number four, and CA for California. So, cha4C-C-A-com. and folks please subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll put this up on our YouTube channel. It's just Eric Metaxus. Please subscribe. We want to get the word out. We are in a war, a spiritual war, that's manifested in all kinds of ways, politically and otherwise.

And God has called us to get in the fight for his glory, in his strength. Pastor Chey, thanks so much. Thank you, Eric, for having me. Love you, man. Bless you. Love you, too.