Pastor John MacArthur
00:11Mataxis show. But first, two very important questions. Have you ever tried to stack marbles whilewearing boxing gloves? Also, did you know that marigolds and geraniums hate each other? Absolutely.And now your host, Eric Mataxis. Hey there, folks. Welcome to Hour 1 of the Eric Mataxis show. Chris and Albin.Are you as excited as I am about talking to John MacArthur? Or are you just frightened as I am about talking toJohn MacArthur? I don't know. I heard he had like 7,000 people jammed, jammed into his church this past Sunday. So this isIt's going to be great.And 8,000 of them had active COVID.That's courage.
00:47Let me tell you something.The fact, he's willing to do that.And there's some snake handlers and stuff.It's awesome.Yeah, he's known online as the COVID whisperer.That's his...I should clarify, because I was saying this to Suzanne last night, you know,there are so many different worlds out there, right?
01:04Like, there are worlds of people who so revere John MacArthur.It's like I'm having, you know, Bob Hope on the program.but most people listening to this program don't know who John McArthur is and so I want to say to those folks shame on you no I want to say to those folks he is a hugely well-known Bible teacher slash pastor and people swear by him they say this guy there is no one can you still hear me I have a new mic oh yeah no we hear you great there's nobody on his level in terms of expositional preaching you know teacherfrom the text of the Bible. And every time I think about this, I get like a little jealous becauseas good as your pastor is, there's only one John MacArthur. And he does this every week. He's beendoing it for 50-something years. It's stunning. So he's going to be my guest in a couple of minutesbecause he and his church openly defied Governor Newsom and met this past Sunday. So we want toget an update on that. We try to get Jenna Ellis of the Falkirk Center at Liberty. She's really busy.
02:12busy. But Jenna Ellis is the lawyer for John McArthur. So we'll get her on the program eventuallyto get an update on that. In hour two, we're going to get real crazy. We have John Zmirak. Hold yourapplause. John Zmirak is going to be on the program. And I can't tell you, we always know we love talkingto John Zmirak. But Chris and Albin yesterday was even more crazy.crazy than today. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, with Jim Caviesel and Bill O'Reilly. I mean, the idea of the two of themwrestling, well, actually, they weren't together, but the idea of having Jim Caviesel,aka Jesus of Nazareth, aka the Christ, the Messiah, the United One, to have Jim Caviesel on theprogram was a big deal. But the biggest deal in my myopic mind,
03:12was getting him to laugh a few times because he's famously stony.He believes laughing is of the devil.And I got him to crack up a couple of times.Well, everything he does is with passion.Correct. Correct. Well said, my friend.So, uh,Kivisel kind of has an online following where, you know,he's almost like approaching the aura of a Chuck Norse or Clint Eastwood,
03:37kind of like, you know, a drop of Jim Kavisel's sweat, you know, et cetera, et cetera.Yeah. I read the comments. They're out there. People think of a bad dude.You mean on the YouTube, on our YouTube channel? That's right. That's right.All right. Well, I just want to say, folks, if you didn't see my interview with Kavisel yesterday, you've got to watch it.It's up on YouTube. It already has, I mean, I checked a little while ago. It has over 7,000 views, and we just put it up yesterday.So he has some kind of cultic following, which is pretty crazy.But his friends know him as the V's, you know, like the Fonz.He's the V's.
04:18That's right.So we talked to Jim Caviesel and also the V's.We talked to him about the sequel to the Passion.Think about this.Now, the Passion seems like, oh, it was a few years ago.It came out in 2004.I was still a zygote technically.That's a medical term.
04:40And when you think about that, it's been 16 years,and they're not done with the script yet,but they're going to come out with, you know,the sequel to the passion.And I suggested they should just think about itbecause you don't know you've got to focus group this stuff.But I suggested as a sequel,how about if you call it the Passion 2 electric boogaloo,
05:00you know, to kind of get the young crowdand maybe just to really be on the edge.It's using all black cast, including Jim Caviesel, Mel Gibson, and, you know, all of them.And I don't know if that resonated with him, but, you know, I throw these ideas out, and I don't care if I get credit.I just, I just care that, that I eventually get credit.So it's very exciting to think that they're talking about that.So we talk to him about that.If you miss that again, it's on our YouTube channel.
05:28We want to exhort you to go to YouTube to the channel.It's the Eric Metaxus show channel.have my own channel. It's the Eric Mattaxas channel. It's got other stuff, but the EricMatttaxas show channel is the one with all of this great stuff. And if it weren't enough thatwe had Jim Cavizlios today, we decided to kick it up a notch and get Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reillyfrightens me. He's a big, tall Irishman. And if he hits you, you're going down. People know he'sgot that Irish temper. And I don't mean to be to stereotype the Irish as drunkards. But the factto the matter is, you don't want to get crossways of a drunk Bill O'Reilly. He will knock you out.
06:11And so, but it went very well. I mean, would you guys, would you admit that it went well?Amazing. It was really wonderful. YouTube channel, subscribe, go there, watch it. Yeah.And his book seems really interesting, too. Although just getting back to his temper,I was surprised when he was physically able to reach through your laptop screen and throttle you.another thing is, but that was a love throttle.I mean, it's the kind of thing where he does that just to let you know, like, hey,we're like lion cubs.We're playing.
06:42You know what I'm saying?It's kind of, it's a guy thing.Isn't that an OJ song, the love throttle, get on board?The OJs?No, I don't know.Anyway, we've lost our whole audience now.So we're going to have to go to an important guest named John MacArthur.In all seriousness, what John McArthur did, I write about this kind of thing in my
07:03Bonhofer book, what does it mean to defy the state? And I think that unfortunately, we'reapproaching some of the things that Germany was dealing with in the early 30s. You know, before theNazis got real control, there was social intimidation, there was government intimidation.There were all kinds of things. And here in America, we have no excuse because we have atradition of liberty. We're supposed to understand it. But what I've argued a lot, particularlywhen I talk about my book,if you can keep it,is that we have allowed
07:36our muscles of self-governmentto atrophy.We, for about 50 years,kind of given it a slide,we're going on fume.So it's really, really important.And when somebody like a MacArthurstands up and does this,
07:49is important for us to ask ourselvesand to ask him, as I do in the interview,was this right?Did you need to do this?Was there another way around it?Other pastors like my friend Greg Lorry somehow was able to work with the authorities.How do you figure that out?What is right?
08:12What is wrong?Is there some middle ground?So John MacArthur, he's kind of famously combative in a good way, I would say, mostly.And it's going to be interesting to talk to him today.Tomorrow we have an encore with Lou Dobbs.He has a new book out.If you missed it the first time, don't miss it.He's, I love that guy.
08:32And then we have a new guest, Byron York.Many of you already know him.He's pretty legendary, but he has written a book with some really original, shockinglyoriginal, frankly, reporting on the attempt to take down Trump.I didn't think that I could hear anything new about this.Later in the week, we have Roger Stone coming back on the program.and Victoria Jackson, either Friday or Monday,we're going to have our friend Victoria Jackson.
09:04How much do we love Victoria Jackson?Oh, my goodness.Are we forgetting anything?I probably ought to mention that if you don't order from my pillow todayand use the code, Eric, the feds are going to break down your door.I'm just saying, you know, now you know.Yeah, yeah.They broke down my door last night because I didn't use it.
09:22Eric, they said Eric.They just broke it down and said Eric.The code is Eric.Even my family, like if you were,went to my whole family and said, you know, my pillow, whatever, they'd be like, oh, really?You know, because they don't, they're just checked out. And it hurts me. It really hurts me.I wanted to end on a bitter, a bitter note of self-pity. And I have succeeded. We're going to becoming back. Seriously, John MacArthur, big one. We'll be right back.
10:23Hey there, folks. This is the Eric Metaxis show. As promised, I am speaking in this first hour toPastor John MacArthur with Grace Community Church.Is that the name of the church?Pastor MacArthur, I always want to get that right at least.That is the name, Grace Community Church.That is the name.You've been pastoring for 51 years.Right.
10:46In this church.I came in my 20s and they haven't been able to get rid of me.Yeah, even now they can't get rid of you with this Spanishcourt order situation.Let me ask you,We spoke to you some weeks ago.Things have changed since we last spoke with you.You're a very public figure and you're a public face for those Christians who are displeased with government overreach.
11:18I know that California seems to be about the worst.For folks who are not following this story, if you don't mind, just break it down briefly for us.What is it that the government has said that's unacceptable to you?And that's, in your view, forcing you to defy Gavin Newsom's orders.Well, basically, he said no church can meet indoors, period.We have a church of about 7,000 people.We can't put those people in the parking lot because even in the parking lot,we have to keep six foot perimeters around every single person.
11:56So the maximum number of people we could have if we followed his orders would be about 350 to 400,which would eliminate most of our congregation.They would have to stay six feet apart, wear masks, can't sing, can't hug, can't shake hands.And if they get inside the six feet with anyone that is not in their family for more than 15 minutes,they have to self-quarantine for two weeks.No Bibles, no hymn books.The parking spaces have to be alternated.We have to have monitors to make sure everybody stays six feet apart, keeps their mask on, only one person in a restroom at a time, just goes on and on and on, which essentially means shut the church down.
12:37And that not only is beyond what the state would allow, the Constitution of California, or at least the law, says that the governor can exercise executive privilege for a period of 60 days.where we're way past that.This has become law with no end.And of course, beyond that, it is a violation of the Constitution.California has the lowest death rate of all the continental United States from COVID.So there's really no reason for this.But beyond that, we meet because the Lord's commanded us to meet.Well, even in ancient Rome, the dictator only got six months, right?
13:15So this is a bizarre situation.And, you know, for historical precedent, you know,I always, most people think of the Reichstag fire, where Hitler finds an excuse.Sometimes it's a real excuse.This has been very real.I know some people that have died.But the idea is that the government does not like to relinquish power.And once they can grab it, they can use it capriciously, which seems to be happening.
13:41Well, you would know better than anyone, Eric, that Hitler used false science.Hitler used false science about races of people, about black people, and about Jewish people.He tried to basically use that false science to lock down the Reichstag in Nazi power.That is essentially what's happening in California and even across the country.The false science of this virus is being used again as a club by a,by the governor of California and others across the country to affect the political change that they want to see.Now, just to be fair, to play devil's advocate, neither of us is a medical doctor.So when you say that, I want you to, if you don't mind, clarify what you mean because, you know,
14:38I don't think we want to dispute that there has been a pandemic that people have died,but it seems to me to have given people in power, as we've just said,the ability to act capriciously to sort of grab the set of facts that suits them and to, in a sense, underscorecertain things so much that it twists everything. I mean, the idea that masks or some kind of panacea seemsabsurd. There's a lot on the face of it that seems absurd. So when you talk about this,in other words, do you not have any concern, for example, that folks in your church standingnext to each other could catch the virus from somebody else. There has to be some reality to it.The question is, in a sense, at what point do we say we're a free people and we can do what we like?
15:32Well, let's start with the anecdotal answer to that question. We've met for nine weeks.We don't know anyone in our congregation of 7,000 people who has COVID and any symptoms.We have had no one in the hospital.And we've had thousands of people crushed together doing everything they would normally do in terms of social interaction.That's our experience.Statistically, there is one in one hundredth of one percent of the population of California 40 million people who have COVID.One in one hundredth of one percent.That does not qualify as a pandemic.
16:15By pandemic definition, you have to have one to three percent of the population dying.We have one hundredth of one percent, one hundredth of the people who have this.So there is no scientific way that we can call this a pandemic.Well, I mean, but this is the first I have heard that.That's a dramatic statement.You're saying that by definition of the word pandemic, this is not a pandemic.That's rather a dramatic.thing to say when for all these months, everyone, including I have been calling it a pandemic.
16:54Well, that's part of the deal. Put your mask on and call it a pandemic. Keeps the fear alive.It does seem to me, unfortunately, that this, the way we have dealt with this has fallenalong party lines and that even if it wasn't political, it has become political and that thoseon the left who are typically more secularist or often out and out anti-Christian have used thisas a bludgeon against the churches. Do you feel that that is at issue here with this governor?Yeah, I do. I have to feel that way. The judge that finally after five times in court ruled against usand put a court order against us meeting said that the issues of the health departmentoutweigh the constitutional right for the church to meet.
17:54So bottom line, 100th of 1% of the people in California having a virus trumps religious freedomfor everyone.So no one in the state of California can go inside a church because 1,100th of 1% of the populationhave a virus.I'm not arguing the virus exists.what I am arguing is that just as you said, those people who have political motivations have taken this and exploited it for their own benefits.The Health Department Director in California, Barbara Farrar, said the other day, schools will not open.This is a phone conversation that was recorded.
18:33Schools will not open until after the election.She said that twice.Yeah.Well, what does that have to do with the virus?I mean, it's extraordinary when people are caught saying what we fear they're thinking, right?And this is a classic case of that.I know that in California it is complicated.I know people, I think I mentioned to you, my friend, Pastor Greg Lorry, that they have
19:03been able to open outside with huge tents.And I preach, and there were tons of people there.But not every church can do that.I recently spoke with our friend Rob McCoy and with David Lane and others.And they said that every church finds itself in a different situation.And your church being so large, you're saying you simply could not comply,even if you wanted to comply.Well, look, I would understand that Greg and his church could meet outside.
19:39I would understand that.But did everyone keep six feet of social distancing the whole time?I did not.I promise you I did not.And I sang loudly.So it's a selective violation.You could say, okay, we'll do the outside thing.But did anybody shake hands?
19:57Did anybody give a hug to somebody?Did anybody take a mask off?Was there only one person in a bathroom at a time?Did they park in every other parking space where they're monitors to make sure thateverybody's temperature was taken when they walked on to the kids?campus and did everybody pre-register with name and address before they showed up? And immediatelywhen it was over, did they all leave? Did they shorten the service? Those were all the edicts thatcame down against the church. So there are ways that you can comply with some things. And
20:27meeting outdoors would be one, but the list, I gave the list Sunday morning, goes on and on, and I onlygave half the list. I listened to some parts of your sermon, and I caught that part. And I was just laughing. Ithought this this sounds just it sounds like the government is looking for trouble.We're going to be right back, folks.I'm talking to Pastor John MacArthur.Don't go away.Folks, I'm talking to Pastor John MacArthur with Grace Community Church in Southern California.And I have to ask you, Pastor McArthur, a couple of things come up when we're talking about
21:15this. In your sermon on Sunday, you were talking about the law and the legitimate role of governmentas laid out in the scripture. To somebody who doesn't understand, or I can imagine somebodywould say, well, wait a minute, that sounds like theocracy or it sounds like you're conflatingbiblical law with government law. Help us navigate that. How do we see that? In other words,the legitimate role of the government and how that meshes with what we call the law of the scriptures?Yeah, I think you have to see it in the full spread of reality.So there's a fallen human race.We're all a bunch of colliding sinners who would have a hard time surviving if there wasn't restraint.
22:10So God builds into the fallen world restraint at all kinds of levels.The first restraint is the law of God written in the heart.Romans 1 and 2, so that man is without excuse.The conscience is the weapon.The law of God indicts the sinner when he sins.It gives the sinner a sense of well-being when he does what is good.That's a built-in restraint.In this culture, that has basically been attacked so that people don't know what the true law is.
22:36They've been flipped.They've substituted bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter and good for bad and bad for good, as Isaiah says.and the conscience is now an enemy.You're told not to feel shame no matter what you do.So society struggles with people who have no conscienceand don't understand the law of God of the heart because it's been overturned.The next restraint is the family.So God designs that parents, loving parents, discipline their children,
23:00and the rod, according to scripture, discipline.There has to be some sense of pain in doing things that are wrong.You train a child that there are going to be consequences that are negative.So when the family is disintegrated, when disciplining children has been disintegrated, then you havepeople running in the streets and doing what they want. And at that point, God set up anotherrestraint, and that's government. And that's Romans 13, 1 Peter 2. The government is designedthere to do two things, protect the people who do good and punish the people who do evil,and the weapon is the sword. So you could say the conscience is the weapon of the individual law of
23:38God. The rod applied to the child is the weapon of the family to discipline the child. And then it getsreally serious. If conscience is not functioning and the family is not functioning, the police step in,and they use the weapon of the sword. And that would include even capital punishment, the threatof the sword. So we're at a point now where the society is saying defund the police, get the policeout, burn the police, shoot the police, burn down the police station. Because when they have beenliberated from the first restraint and the second restraint, they see this as the enemy of theirfreedom. They want to overthrow that. So in the effort to do that, there's only one left, one restrainingforce left in the world. And that's the church. But let's back up to that government. It's not
24:26politicians that are the restraint. It's police by definition. It's those who can protect,those who do good, and punish those who do evil. We give honor to the police. We do thepolice training in our church virtually every month. This is interesting, Eric, you'll find thisvery interesting internal memo in the police department, LAPD. Should the county take any actionagainst Grace Community Church, the LAPD in uppercase letters shall not be involved. That's aninternal police memo. That's how they feel about us. And I asked the chief, what is the deal there?and they said, we enforce the law, not arbitrary mandates from health department or governor.We enforce the law.
25:13Don't call us to enact these kinds of things.So we have a phenomenal relationship with the police.We have law enforcement Sunday here.We have policemen families in our church.We have leaders in the police department in our church.We have always been the partners to the police.when they had the riots in L.A. a few weeks ago, they processed the prisoners in our parking lot.That's the relationship we have with them. That's the biblical thing. Those are the people who
25:44protect and bring honor to those who do good. So we are their partners in everything we do.When I listened to, as I said, parts of your sermon which your friend sent to me,And I guess part of what seems very interesting to me right now is that some of what you're doing is you're, you're underscoring the idea of the natural law, the Noah Hyde covenant.In other words, you don't need to be a Christian to believe that murder is wrong, that stealing is wrong, that there are things that we all agree upon in a way, that this is not sectarian.and it seems like that's what's at issue.In other words, that we have as Americans an original covenant based on these ideas.That seems to have frayed dramatically in the last 50 or so years, bringing us to this pointwhere the government is not doing that job.
26:46Yeah, and let me just go back to what you said about a theocratic kingdom or a theocracy.There are only two theocracies.there's one in the past and that's Israel.That was the only theocratic kingdom in all of human history, where God was the king.And it was a model of the best of all possible situations, but Israel even failed to take advantage of that incredible opportunity.Since that collapse of that single theocratic kingdom, there is currently only the spiritual kingdom of the church.but in the future there will be another theocratic kingdom when the Lord Jesus comes backand reigns on the earth and establishes his kingdom and rules with the rod of iron and rules with
27:34righteousness. Those are the only two theocratic kingdoms. Everything else is simply the messageto the world you need to submit to the true God and his standards if you want to live the best life.Let's just pause there. Very important conversation with Pastor John.MacArthur, don't go away.Hi folks.Trying times.Just know they won't last.Trim times can be hard on our digestive track.
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29:58It's okay, Mike.It's going to be okay.Go to mypillar.com.Use the code, Eric.You're going to get whopping savings in really high quality products.Did I mention that?Thank you.I'm talking to Pastor John McArthur in Southern California.
30:22Pastor McArthur, you in many ways did something heroic.by keeping your church open and just the other day in contravention of a more recent edict,I suppose, whatever you want to call it from the governor chose to stay open.And so we're talking about some foundational principles here.What does it mean to be an American?What is freedom?When does our faith stay within the boundaries that we believe the American Republic gives it?We have tremendous religious liberty here, but of course, this is not a theocracy, nor would we want it to be, because that would itself contradict the freedom that the scripture gives us.
31:11You were talking about, you know, what is a theocracy?And I think there's such confusion on this issue that I want to just keep going a little bit here.We have seen in our lifetimes the state overreach and begin.to push around people of religious faith and begin to tell them that they must do this or mustdo that, in effect, establishing a kind of secular religion. Is that part of what you see happeningin California? Oh, yeah, there's absolutely no question about that. Look, the word of God isvery clear on the sin of immorality, any kind of sexual immorality. And you've got, in California,you probably got the center of the pornographic industry here.
32:03I mean,everything that's pornographic around the globe probably has its origins in Hollywood,and certainly the movie industry, the music industry,all of the stuff that comes out of there that's so vile.And then you've got the homosexuality,which has now been legalized by the Supreme Court.You saw the governor smiling the other days.He signed a bill that basically says a sexual attack,
32:27on a child by a homosexual pedophile may not result in the perpetrator being listed as a sex offender,the judge has discretion in that because, you know, we don't want to put too strong limits onwhat judges can do with the LGBT people. You have 364 abortions a day in California. We leadall the states more than New York, more than New Jersey, which would be second and third.this is a wretched and wicked culture here.And so naturally the church speaks to that, straightforward truth from the Word of God.That's not what they want to hear.If the cancel culture is going to go after anything,
33:13they're going to go after the people who don't only give an opinion,but they speak authoritatively from the Word of God.This is not acceptable in this environment for us to say this is the word of God, and God pronounces judgment on this society and the people who adhere to these kinds of iniquities and propagate them and perpetrate them.And we're warning you there is judgment to come.And the only hope is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ who can forgive your sin and set you on a course of righteousness and bring you into his kingdom eternally.So that is not a message they want to hear.So I don't know that we could say on the front side that they're moved by this,but beneath that action, there is this hatred for the things of Scripture.
34:04Jesus said, if they hated me, they're going to hate you as well.Don't be surprised.Well, we've seen this happening, of course, throughout Europe and Canada,and we knew that this kind of thing was happening here,was coming here, which is why I've spoken out so much on religious liberty,but never did we dream that COVID would happenand that that that would occasion the various governments,state governments, city governments to behave in this way.
34:33That's something that we didn't see coming,and it has accelerated what is happening right now.Just for those of us who aren't unaware of the details,what is it that your church faces in opening against what the governor has said you can do?What happens to your church?Are you in a lawsuit right now?I know a number of pastors, Pastor Chey Ann, I spoke with, that they are suing the governor.Is every case different?
35:09Where is your church with this?Well, yeah, we did sue.we did file a lawsuit in the county in the city of Los Angeles.It went through four hearings,and we were victorious in the first four,which kept us open,and we were not under any constraints,and neither had the health department filed any formal grievances against us.
35:33So we were meeting up until last Sunday freely,because the courts had failed to give the county what they asked for to shut us down.But a week ago, there was a fifth trial that we had, and the judge ruled for the county for the first time with a temporary restraining order.Basically, the court said that Grace Community Church cannot meet indoors.That was the court order.We did meet indoors anyway.We did not pay any attention to the court order.So that means, as of now, we are in contempt of court.
36:12Now, we haven't heard from the court what we're going to do, but we're going to keep meeting on Sunday, whatever that contempt means or may mean we're going to continue to do what we do.I think you, of all people, having written so brilliantly on Bonhofer and on Martin Luther, as I'm finding out, know what it means to say, here I stand, I can do no other. God help me.and that's where we are.We believe God is going to vindicate himself.And I'll tell you one thing, Eric, we are absolutely shocked at the number of people pouring into this church who've not been here before,filling up the worship center, filling up the chapel, filling up a tent in the parking lot,going into other buildings, several hundred thousand devices are connected for online.We're now broadcasting every service in six languages around the globe.
37:06they see churches kind of folding up under the pressure, and it frightens them if their own churchesaren't going to stand and hold the line, where will they turn? So there's almost a rush. There'san exhilaration in the people that are coming here and freely worshiping the Lord. It's notnormally that they can defy the government, but they watch this government collapsing in every sensethat they hold dear. And for them to be able to take a stand against that, and know,it's right because they're obeying Christ is an exhilarating spiritual experience. And there's a joy herethat's beyond what I've seen in 50 years. I'm afraid we're out of time. Pastor MacArthur,always a joy and an honor to speak with you. I hope we'll have you back again soon to see where this
37:55goes. I'm sure God will be glorified in any case. Thank you so much. Thank you, Eric. Where are you?Have you heard my career?rise through all my lonely lonely lonely lonely lonely lonely nights what can I say I've told you everything so why do I feel all alone are you still looking down
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