The Eric Metaxas Show - Pat Boone (continued)

Episode Date: March 29, 2022

Pat Boone continues his stroll down memory lane with stories of friendship with famous people from his career spanning seven decades from every walk of life, from Mother Teresa to Elvis Presley.

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Yeah, you heard me. Pat Boone, I'm talking to him. And he is my guest. That's why I'm talking to him. It's all very logical. Pat Boone, welcome back. and I'm talking back. You've been talking back very successfully, I have to say.

I try not to let my guests get an award in edgewise, and sometimes I fail. There's nothing I can do. I'm doing the best I can. I want to ask you, I like to listen to music from different eras. And the other day, I was just listening, you know, as I was exercising, and Ray Kahniff came up. Now, people don't know. Most people, any younger than me, have no clue who Ray Kahniff was.

Can you sum him up for us? Well, it's a shame if they don't. And that's what I love about Spotify and some of these music services. They are introducing young people to music from eras before them that they would not otherwise probably ever have known. Ray Kahniff was one of the great orchestral arrangers. He was just fabulous. He could make an orchestra play anything.

And he was really good at making pop versions of all the pop songs of the day. And also he added chorus. He had the chorus sing along with him, which was a fabulous blend. And I don't know if Ray Kahniff was the first or the first. foremost to do that because other people did it as well. I think he was. I think he practically invented, I mean, honestly, and this is neither good nor bad, or maybe it's just bad, but he sort of effectively invented the genre called easy listening.

I mean, isn't that the case? Yes, very much. He would take love songs that were done in a slow style maybe and give them a gentle rhythm. And then, but with the chorus singing the line. So if you didn't know the song, you could learn the song from his records because the chorus was singing the words but to the wonderful instrumental. And he was just a master arranger. So I used to say he would bring the best out of any song.

I mean, the only thing is that he, when you listen to most of his stuff now, it's extremely dated. But I think that's why I like it, because it takes me right. right back to that era. Why wouldn't we like it? I mean, why wouldn't, if we like music at all, why wouldn't we like to know?

So do I. I like to know the way Al Jolson sang. I mean, because he was one of the famous singers of his day. But then Buddy Clark was saying before Bing Crosby, and Bing was a fan of Buddy Clark. Well, I wanted to know why. And I could tell, I could see how Bing Crosby picked up on some of the smooth stylings of Buddy Clark.

And there were, you know, if you like music, you like to know where did it come from? How did other people do it before there were the music studios of today, before there was even stereo. When I first started recording, it was just monaural. I mean, it was all, everything was on one track. You couldn't punch in. You couldn't do anything over.

If you did anything over, it was the whole song. You couldn't even splice it together. When I first, I had hit records, well, so did Bing Crosby when he had like, he had, gosh, he had like 200 chart records. And he had like 50, no, not 50, but 20 to 30 number ones. I mean, everything Bing Crosby recorded in the 40s and into the 50s was number one. it was the biggest hit of anything on the air. Anytime he went in a studio, he knew he was going in to record something that would be a number one song.

Well, why? You want to hear it, don't you? I mean, what was making it so popular? And now I've done an album of the ink spots. The ink spots were the first black group to go pop. I mean, they were still very much considered black artists because they were. but they sang they were the first to record songs that went pop by them and then by many other artists like if I didn't care would I still be true whatever and you always hurt the one you love that's my favorite

that's my favorite ink spot song I thought the Mills brothers did that wait a minute they did they oh yeah they they covered the ink spots I mean now cover records which I took a lot of heat for by people didn't know the era. When I was covering Little Richard and Fats Domino and the Flamingos and the El Dorados and having pop hits of their R&B records, which was considered race music, right.

It was not played on pop radio, and neither were the artists played on pop radio, but they were hits in their own genre. When Fats Domino had a number one hit of A Ain't That Is Shep. shame. It was just in R&B. It was not known to the pop audience at all. And he sold 150,000, which was huge. I recorded his song, and it became pop, rock, and roll, and it sold a million and a half, 10 times what Fats had done of his own song. Well, he said many times, I made more

money from Pat Boone's record of my song than from my own until his crossed over, and the pop DJs began to and rock and roll DJs. See, there was no rock and roll until the mid-50s. Rock and roll was a sort of erotic phrase that you'd hear often in race music. We're going to rock. He froze at 618. Do we need to dial him back up? Oh, he's back.

Pat, just say that sentence once more because you cut out for a second there. So you said, we're going to rock and roll. Say that one more time. And just keep going. Okay. Well, in what was called race music or R&B, when you're saying, we're going to rock and roll all night long, honey. Come on, honey, that's rock and roll. It was not about dance necessarily. It could be. But it's kind of funny, though, because in the 70s, when you would say, get down, it was the same thing. Dancing, but also it could mean the other thing. So it's kind of interesting, yeah. And I recorded that song. That was cool in the gang, get down tonight.

But anyway, when I was recording those R&B songs, it was called Race Music and unknown to pop fans at all, or DJs even. But it was just at that cusp on the curve where R&B was beginning to be discovered, those hooky songs like Tootie Frutie eventually. And my first hit was two hearts, two kisses. One heart, not enough, baby. Two hearts make you feel crazy. Only I was saying, one heart, not enough, baby.

I was rocking it. Frank Sinatra recorded that same song. It was, one heart, not enough, baby. Two hearts make you feel crazy. And he was swinging it, and Doris Day sang it. And I don't remember her record of two hearts. But it's so fascinating because you really are, you're kind of an encyclopedia of 20th

century music, if you don't mind my putting you in the category of being an encyclopedia of something, but it is true that you've, you knew them all, you've seen it all, and you were in the middle of it all. I came along at just the perfect time, little knowing, and that I was, I call myself a midwife at the birth of rock and roll, because I helped, Elvis and I helped bring all these R&B songs that pop audiences knew nothing of, and the DJs knew little of, Hound Dog had already been a big hit by Big Mama, no Big Bill Brunsey, and a female artist, Mama, Big Mama Thornton, I think was her name. And they had a hound dog was, you ain't nothing but a hound dog, what Elvis recorded it,

and it was a big pop rock hit. And then he did more of their songs, and I did Tootie Frutie and Long Tallie and Rip It Up by Little Richard and brought him and his songs into the pop world. And they give me credit for that. They know that they weren't getting played in pop stations until I or Elvis or somebody else did their song. That's what we call covering. But look, Vic D'Amone was covering Perry Como at that time.

And I and others were covering... Did you say Vic Dimon was covering Perry Como? Yeah. Is that what you said? Yeah, sure. Yeah, because when we say cover, that means we would do somebody else's hit. Sure.

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And Pat, we're talking about the history of rock and roll. And a lot of people don't know this. but you described yourself to some extent humbly because it's even more than this, but you described yourself as a midwife to rock and roll. But there's more to it than that. God used you in an unprecedented way that you had such popularity as a singer in the 50s that you were able to bring quote-unquote black music or race music into the mainstream. I mean, you said that, but it's a big deal because that's what rock and roll is.

I mean, you mentioned covering Long Tall Sally. The Beatles covered Long Tall Sally. The Stones and the Beatles, you know, everything they did in their first couple of albums was covering this kind of music. So really, that's what the birth of rock and roll is. You mentioned Elvis. But you were at the very center of that, which is why you should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and they're bums for not inducting you into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

I mean, how many records did you have that charted? Well, in the 50s, I had 41 chart records. Elvis had 40, but I had a few-month head start on him. We matched each other record for record in the 50s. In the 60s, I had about 20, 22, or 23 chart records, and more than any other artists except the Beatles in the 60s. So, I mean, I just kept going. I kept rolling and rocking.

But I was also doing all kinds of other music. I now, I think, hold a, I do know I hold a record of more consecutive weeks on the charts of anybody of 220 consecutive weeks on the chart over four years. Because I was recording not just rock and roll, but movie themes and gospel patriotic. and just moving into many genres. Is that why, I mean, I have to be honest here, it's our last segment. But I have to ask you, it seems beyond question to me that the only reason you haven't been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

is because you're too clean, you're known for your public stance as a serious Christian, you're deeply patriotic, which some people think of as right wing, which is preposterous. But, I mean, it's because of all those lovely qualities, I think, that the folks at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, it makes them uncomfortable.

You're too white. You're too Christian. You're too something. You know, that maybe if you got covered in tattoos, maybe they would open the door. Well, I'm too vanilla to use one of their words. And too, I don't know, they use other adjectives to talk about my versions of rock and roll.

I try to combat them by saying, when I did ain't that a shame. Fats' record was roll, and mine was rock. His was, you made, boom, boom, me cry, when you said, and mine was, you made bop, bop, bong, me cry when you said goodbye. Mine was rock and his was rolled. But the things you just mentioned,

all the reason I'm not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I did too many other kinds of music. Let me give you one quick compliment from Jesse Jackson, though, on this topic recently, knowing what I had done, and I wasn't on a crusade. I just sang what was in front of me. I wasn't trying to change things, except I was just trying to do something that was fun and might sell a few records. But Jesse Jackson said, I believe Pat Boone did more for race relations

in his music in the 50s than any other singer, singer, because he was a white Christian kid from Nashville singing rhythm and blues, which was forbidden. It was called race music. Not only did sing their songs, but he brought the original artists onto TV and sang the songs with them on his show. And he made it all right, made the music,

and the artists all right to the large white audience that thought it was jungle music. And even ministers, you know, breaking records on publicly because they thought it was bad for kids, the rock and roll. Well, you know, there were a lot of things that crept into rock and roll that were not best influences for kids. I knew that. And I was trying even to change some of the lyrics and the songs that I sang. They didn't hurt the music. The kids didn't care. But it kept it more innocent.

The music, it was just fun. When I did it, it was just fun. But I was not pushing moral barriers, which, which the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame would have found more like rock and roll to them. So I'm not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, nor will I ever be, but I'm in the Gospel Music Hall of Fame, which I treasure. Wow. You know, speaking of, there's so many artists that kind of cross over it in that way, Johnny Cash is another one that I assume you knew him somewhat.

Very well. We knew we were Christian brothers, especially in the last, years of his life. And yeah, yeah, Johnny, Johnny was never really rock and roll. He was country with a rock field. That's what Elvis was doing in the beginning was country music

with a rock field. Now, of course, he got a lot more rocking than Johnny Cash. But Brenda Lee and others that were really country, but they would do some rock songs. Well, enough that because they were

they were not squeaky clean. I'm not saying that negatively about Brenda Lee. People didn't know about her private life. It was squeaky clean. But Johnny, having been a drug addict and a prison inmate at one time, that qualified him for rock and roll, even though he was a thoroughgoing Christian. Well, he went...

I don't think he actually was ever in prison, but everybody keeps saying that. But he spent so much time. you could say ministering in prisons, performing in prisons. He had a kind of a solidarity with the prisoners, and a lot of people got the impression that he had been a prisoner. I don't, I'm pretty sure that he wasn't, but you're right. There was something gritty about him.

Yeah. And then the girl named Sue, he sang that in prison for the first. A boy named Sue. I think you knew it was a boy named Sue. Otherwise, what's the point of the song? Yes, because I was worried about you running out of time. But I never asked Johnny about that. I, too, thought he'd spend a night in prison.

I myself was booked once. You? Was it just petty larceny, shoplifting? What was it, Pat? It was trying to sneak into the Paramount Theater with my buddy, Billy Potter. You're not kidding. No, I was. taken into the police station and booked because we had money in our pocket, but we tried to

sneak into, went up the fire escape to sneak into the Paramount Theater downtown Nashville. And the first landing was locked, and all of a sudden we saw an usher coming up after us. So we went to the top landing, which turned out it was open, not unlocked it was, but it turned out to be the black balcony. And we couldn't hide in the black balcony. So we went running and then down the stairs And the police were waiting for us When we got to the bottom of the stairs

And my buddy broke away and ran up the street But I was taken in and booked And my daddy had to come get me out And I don't know if it's on the record But I was fingerprinted once So I just figured that that had to happen to Johnny Cash somewhere along the line Well all I know is your bad news

And I'm telling my family Stay away from that guy He's trouble You're so squeaky clean that's what's so funny. What's the line? You told me this once before. I think it was Dean Martin said that he shook your hand. Oh, I said that Pat Boone

was so religious. I shook hands of that boy the other day. My old right side, sobered up. Classic. Classic. I'll tell people and I relate, and it did. Last time he

told me, he was at Bel Air and after playing rounds of golf, he was at his group, I was with mine. And the captain came up and brought a bottle wrapped in a towel, compliments of Mr. Martin, and he opened up the top and poured me a glass of milk. And I looked over and Dean standing there with a glass of milk and he's toasting me because he had ulcers now. He wasn't drinking the hard stuff anymore at that last stage in his life. He was drinking milk.

So he toasted me with a glass of milk. Unbelievable. You've been toasted by Dean Martin with a glass of milk. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Now, I have to ask you, this is kind of a dumb question, but we've only got a minute left. I should know the answer to this. But have you written, like, the story of your life in a book?

I know you've written some memoirs and stuff, but have you written the story of your life in a book? Well, I've written a number of books, and some have been real bestsellers. Well, I know you have. Who can forget Twix 12 and 20? And then the latest. Then there was one called Together, the Pat Boone family, after 25 years. Then the last book is currently out on Amazon. It's Pat Boone 50 years.

And that is very autobiographical with 200 pictures in it. I gave you a copy of that. Yeah, yeah, no, I have that. But I guess I'm trying. It is autobiographical. We're out of time, Pat. I'm so sorry. There's not enough time for you.

We'll just have to have you back as soon as possible. Dear, dear friend, Pat Boone, just a joy to have you on the program, just a joy to speak with you. Thank you, my friend. Hey, you love it, Eric. Keep going, doing what you're doing, what you're doing. You're doing great things. Thank you. My head is in a spin.

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is atheism dead. And Pat, I just have to tell you, you have, you've said such nice things about it. I just want to tell you what that means to me because I feel different about this book or differently about this book than I have about any book that I have written. So it meant a lot to me, frankly,

that you were effusive in your praise of it. It really did. I'd want to be clear. Well, you've written, You've written wonderful. Bonhofer is the book about the heroic Christian who died for his faith, and you've written a magnificent book about that, and then other books as well. But is atheism dead? I've not only bought several copies, but I'm trying to think about maybe buying 50 copies or 100 copies of that book to send it to everybody I know and have on tap. I want to send one to Bill Maher.

I want to send one to those who are prominent, well-known atheists and non-believers. Because I've said public and I'll continue to say it, you have to be an absolute moron to read your book and still try to deny the existence of God. because you you prove it in such a way that I admire. I tried to do it before I read your book, so I can't say that I've copied it, but in my book, which is yet to be released, called If, and I'm saying it very starkly to the half million, I mean half, to the, half the country,

who now, according to Barnett, and the other pollsters that half the country no longer goes to church or synagogue or believes in God or knows if there's a heaven or a hell. So we can't really call ourselves one nation under God like we used to because half the country or more cannot fit that category. So we believers are now a minority. And so I want your book to be readily available and known because my own family, my own friends, everybody I know and care about, needs to read your book. Because you cannot, you cannot, with any sensibility, deny the existence of God when you read is atheism. That's what struck me while I was writing it. In other words, I was myself astounded.

at how the evidence has piled up in such a way that your only hope, if you want to be an atheist, is not to look at the evidence, because the evidence is now effectively incontrovertible. It's preposterous. It's like saying I'm a flat earther or something. I mean, there are people who insist, even though the evidence is probably, they're looking at their own evidence, so to speak. But when it comes to the question of whether there is a God, I mean, that's the first question. I think it's open and shut. In other words, I think that you can now be troubled by it.

You can now say, well, I've got a lot of questions. So you can be an agnostic and intellectual, intellectually honest agnostic. But to say that there is no God does strike me as preposterous. And when I was writing the book, I couldn't believe it. But I'm glad that you agree with it. Because I really, I thought, am I going crazy? This is just, it's just piled up and up and up and up. people are going to have to just, you know, not read the book.

Let me put it that way. Well, I have to not only agree but disagree with you. I have to contradict you. I do not believe that an agnostic can read your book and still cling to his agnosticism because you make it absolutely stupid to be an agnostic. Now, look, you know, no matter who you might want to try to quote, you and I both in our books quote a pretty good some pretty good scientists like Stephen Hawking, Einstein

and and other agnostics and and well you mean atheists or agnostics now because I say I still think people can say and those if you want to say you're an atheist you have to really now say I'm an agnostic you can't say I'm an atheist that's that's kind of you know I'm trying to be

open-minded in that way. I just don't know. Well, you can't, after you read this book, you cannot say, I don't know. It's no longer, because once you read the facts, and as you do, and as I do too, even Stephen Hawking said,

you know, he didn't believe in God, but he did say, as did Einstein, there is evidence that simply makes the Big Bang theory implausible, because there's a design to the cosmos, and it is operating with such perfection to think that it happened just accidentally is not plausible.

So these two brilliant men, the most brilliant people that we can even think about, human beings with the mentality of them all, saying we have to acknowledge that something we don't understand exists for all that we can look at and see. We don't call it God. We don't want to call it God. Therefore, we just stick to writing what we can say we know, which is science. As if science doesn't, by their own reckoning, prove there has to be a designer.

I mean, and again, that's just the first part of the book. Then I go into the idea of the Bible as history, which I find also astonishing. The idea that people could say, oh, it's a collection of folktales. I mean, it's ridiculous. You have a book coming out called If, when that book comes out or when you know that's going to come out, I want to have you back on the program just to talk about that. We really are at a time now, folks. But Pat, I just want to say, thank you for everything you do.

Thank you for your graciousness coming on this program. And as soon as you know, when your book's coming out, we'll just have you back and we'll continue the conversation. God bless you. It will do. Hey, folks, if you listen to this program, of course, you've heard me talk at infinitum. about my pillow and my friend Mike Lindell. Well, Mike has just announced that you will receive one of his books and the book is next level insane. It is called What Are the Odds from Crack Addict to CEO? It's his story. You will receive it absolutely free with any purchase using the

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He's the real deal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I met him a couple times at the NRB. He is incredible. He's a sweet guy, wonderful guy. He's delightful. Well, I was talking earlier about being here in Southern California.

We're coming home tomorrow, and we have to fly because the trains aren't working. So we're coming back tomorrow, but I spoke yesterday. I mentioned this earlier at Awaken Church. I spoke at their San Marcos campus. And I was talking about about how the pastor, whose name is Matt Hubbard, he had said to me on the voicemail, Eric, I just want to kind of check out since I'm the pastor, you know, well, just kind of get an idea of what kind of vibe you're going to be thrown out, you know. And it really threw me because I said, I don't know that I'm throwing out a vibe. Is that even biblical? Can I throw out a vibe?

And if I did throw out the vibe, could I, you know, could I sprain something because I'm not used to throwing out a vibe? And maybe I'll throw out a couple of vibes. I really didn't know what he was saying. But it went well. And we're going to post the 11 o'clock online. It will be posted. I think it's streamed live. But I spoke mainly about my book is atheism dead.

But it was really, to be honest, it's a wonderful atmosphere at that church. And then last night, I spoke at Greg Denham. I think we've had him on the program. Greg Denham, he is with RISE church in San Marcos. And we had an event at his church, and we will also be posting that. He asked, he kind of interviewed me about Bonhoffer and courage and where the church is today. So very, very interesting. But I have to tell you, Alvin, when we got here on Friday, Suzanne and I had the

privilege of dinner with Jeannie Konstantino. We had her on the program last week. We will re-air my interview with her, and I'm going to interview her in the studio this week as she's coming to New York, but she's married to a Greek Orthodox priest, and she has written a book that, I want to recommend this for Lent. Ladies and gentlemen, it is an amazing book. I don't say this lightly. It's called the crucifixion of the king of glory by Jeannie, Eugenia Constantinue, the crucifixion of the King of Glory. And it is extremely powerful. It's a devotional that when you read it, first of all, you're going to learn tons of things that you didn't know.

I guarantee it because I learned stuff. I said I've never, no scholar has ever uncovered this stuff or ever written about this stuff to my knowledge. And so that's the book, the crucifixion of the king of court. But we had dinner with her. and it was just delightful. Her 99-year-old father was there and, you know, we're speaking Greek. And the date last Friday was March 25th, which in the Greek calendar, it's like July 4th. It's the date that Greek celebrated as Greek Independence Day, March 25th, Icosi Bempti Martiou. So it was just a joy, really, to be with her and Father Costas.

And it was just beautiful. So I just had to say that. And we're going to have her in the studio this coming. week now alban you had something you want to talk about i'm fascinated so i'm just going to let you go go okay yeah yeah earlier we talked about hoaxes well um i was watching tucker last week and there was a guy on a guest that said that maybe this whole lea thompson swimming dude beating the girls was some sort of a hoax and at some point he was going to come on to the tucker show and say like hey it's all big hoax ha ha well i worked with the master hoaxer way back like in the 90s Alan abel

This guy had actually gotten his obituary into the New York Times about 30 or 40 years before he actually passed away. Okay, he did a whole thing, Sinha, which is society for the indecency to naked animals. He said a nude horse is a rude horse and that sort of thing. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You actually worked with him? Yeah. Yeah. If you go on, if you go to his website, you'll actually see a video of me.

I was in part of this hoax where a supposed sheik was playing. was playing tennis, a big tennis tournament with Sunny Bono, and I was his bodyguard. You'll see me with the beard and sunglasses and the whole get up. Tell me the name of the guy in his website, because this is too good. What's the name of the man? Alan, Alan Abel, A-B-E-L, A-L-A-N-A-B-E-L, like Cain and A-A-B-E-L, so he's the master hoaxer. Yeah, if you're telling me that you worked with him. I did.

And if you go to the American Greatness Today, the American Greatness website, am greatness. You'll see an article by me that's called Alan Abel, Is That You? And in that article, I linked to all the different hoaxes that Alan Abel pulled off over the many years. I mean, on the Phil Donahue show, he had people passing out as if it was like a legionaire disease type of situation. Hold on, hold on. This is too great. I missed this.

I didn't realize that you worked with Alan Abel. This guy, he was. the master hoaxer. Yeah, across the country. Okay, so you've written an article at American Greatness, if people want to read it. I need to post it. I need to read it and post it on my social media. Yeah, AM, AIM greatness.com.

A.m. Alan Able is that, Alan Able is that you. And this is just a kind of hoax he would have done. He would have had a dude swimming against women, and he would have pulled it off for at least a couple months. And then suddenly he would have come out of the water himself and said, it's all a hoax. It's all a big sham. but unfortunately it ain't.

I got to tell you, that is amazing that you worked with the master hoaxer because he really was a big deal. I mean, to get your obituary, think of this, into the New York Times, they have tons of people vetting this stuff. Not everybody's obituary gets into the New York Times. So the fact that he pulled this off

and then says, oh, and by the way, I didn't die, that's just hilarious. But he had all crazy stuff. And you were just sharing. Yeah, about 30 years later when he did actually die, their headline was like really kind of funny because it said, Master Hoaxter, or Hoaxter extraordinaire, Alan Abel,

really is dead this time or something like that. And he died. He's the only person ever to have his obituary in the New York Times twice over the course of several decades. That's very impressive. He had a school for beggars set up in New York City. And of course, the press thought it was really. and they said he's done so many crazy things.

But if you go to the link, he's got about like 30 or 40 of his big, his hoax is right there. And he has a daughter. And at the end of the article I write, I'm saying like maybe his daughter is behind this whole thing. What do you think? This is so great. All right.

We're at a time. So American greatness and it's AM greatness is where your article is about Alan Abel. Okay, when we come back, we've got a few more things to share. What crazy stuff. We'll be right back. Outside the rain again.

Hey, Albin, I'm in a hotel room in Southern California. I'm trapped here. It looks that way, unless it's like Capricorn won the movie, and you're just pretending you're actually in New York. This could just be me pulling a hoax like Alan Abel. I could be in New York City right now. I could be anywhere. But I wanted to look like, I said, how can we get it?

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