The Eric Metaxas Show - Peachy Keenan

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

Peachy Keenan joins to discuss the recent killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

Welcome to the Eric Metaxas show. I shouldn't tell you this, but Eric hired someone who sounds just like him to host today's show. But since I'm the announcer, they told me, so I'm telling you, don't be fooled. The real Eric's in jail. Holy cow, I'm still tired. Chris Heims, I'm still tired from two nights ago. Yeah, same here. I'm ready for a vacation.

And it's not like I partied party. It's like it was just such a great event. Okay, two nights ago we had the Sokies and City 25th anniversary celebration. It wasn't a celebration like a car dealer. It was a celebration. And a couple of things I want to mention about that. But just to let you know, in hour one today in a couple of minutes, we're bringing on our friend Peachy Keenan to talk about the shooting.

It's the United Healthcare CEO who was murdered in New York. She has a very, very interesting take on it, I have to say. And I don't want to say up front. Yeah, we know murder is always wrong. But she kind of is trying to think about how this happened. And I never, when I read her thing, I said, I've got to get her on the show. So P.G. Keenan coming up. In hour two, we have our friend, the hippie-dippy weatherman, Doug Giles, one of the funniest most interesting people I know,

which is saying something. Doug Giles is a riot. He's a truth-talk-in-riot, and I love him. He is just great. So in hour two, we have Doug Giles. Okay, so Chris Himes, I thought I want to do a whole hour. Maybe we'll do it today or tomorrow, record it. But Christmas gift ideas, I think there are so many Christmas gift ideas that I want to share.

and I think that there are people who listen to this program that, you know, we all have trouble. Like, what do I get so-and-so? What do I get so? What do I get some of that? It's always a problem. So I want to share a few exciting Christmas gift ideas. And I'll do this after Pichi Keenan in the beginning of Hour 2 as well, because I won't be able to get through it now. But the number one idea is to do something for CSI, Christian. Solidarity International in the name of a friend or an uncle or an aunt or a brother or a sister

or a parent or a grandparent to say to them, we have freed a slave in your name. You've heard us talk on this program, I hope, about tri-as-i. I got you slippers and you got me a freed slave. Wow. That's going to make somebody feel. Well, no, you're not getting a freed slave. You're freeing a slave in someone's name. Well, I know.

I'm just saying that, you know, you can do it in someone's name. No, that's the point. You're doing something beautiful in someone's name, and the gift to them is to say, we did this in your name. A human being who was enslaved is free. We gave the money to CSI, $250 doesn't just bring them into freedom, but sets them up in a life of freedom. And we did it in your name.

And you give that to someone. And as you just said, Chris, like you can get them slippers or you could do something like this. This is beautiful. You can get your family involved. We're way behind on this campaign. So I'm urging you if you want to do this, please do this. This is an amazing idea. And you know, you want to do it now to get the paperwork or whatever that they give you so you can share it with your relative or whoever you're giving this gift to.

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So that's, to me, the top of the list. Then there are all these other things you can do. You can give just this morning a friend of mine who was there at the site. Socrates event two nights ago said, Eric, why don't you put your Donald Drain's the Swamp book on Facebook or on Instagram? And I thought, you know, I haven't done that in a while. So I put it on X and I'll put it on Instagram and on Facebook. But now the idea that Donald Trump gets to drain the swamp, like really gets to do it,

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Metaxistock.com. Or 888-253-2522. God bless you. Folks, welcome back. It now falls to me to introduce someone with the implausible name, Peechie Keenan. Peachy Keenan, welcome back. Hi, Eric. Thank you.

Your name is highly implausible, but it doesn't matter. It's not your real name. So we're going to go with it. Please do. Okay, Pitch. What's that? Yeah, please do. Okay.

Okay, Pachy Keenan. You write a lot. You write a lot of great stuff. And just yesterday I read an article that you wrote. I want to talk to you about it about this killer Mangione, this 26-year-old Ivy League graduate who murdered in cold blood, this CEO. You bring an extraordinary perspective to it. and I said, I want to get you to talk about it. So just start from the beginning.

And people, people can read your article where? On my substack, peachycanon.com. Okay. All right. So lay it out, your thesis, which seems to me very plausible or at least extremely interesting. Well, yeah, I'm not trying to excuse murder. Obviously, what he did was horrible. And he left two little boys orphaned.

But I was really fascinated when my sister texted me and said, you're not going to believe this, but Luigi Mangione had the exact same spine injury and subsequent surgery that my husband had, her husband, my sister's husband, my brother-in-law. A few years ago, my brother-in-law injured his back doing, like, there was a freak accent,

and he was carrying a very heavy thing with a friend, and the friend tripped, and the heavy wooden deck they were holding and carrying, jerked forward and kind of jerked him forward and wrenched his spine. And he was in a, extriciating pain for three years, finally had this fusion surgery, and it was the exact same position on his spine, the same, and the same exact fix that Luigi had. I was like, that's so,

that's crazy because my brother-in-law has been on this four-year now odyssey of pain management, of chronic pain. It's actually quite, quite tragic. And he's a father and an attorney and has four children. And, you know, he lives his life, but he's just constantly just 24 hours a day dealing with, you know, a lot of pain. And there's really just not enough relief for him. You're not able to get, because of the opioid crackdown under Obama, they wanted to kind of, they wanted to prevent what happened with the opioid crisis and the epidemic. So they just restricted everything.

So now, you know, you go in the hospital for a major surgery and they'll send you home with like some Tylenol, you know. And so he cannot quite ever get the drugs he needs. Anyway, then I started reading about how Luigi, his friends were saying he was never the same. after his back surgery. He had this back surgery for, you know, some kind of, some injury of some kind, maybe surfing, and he was never the same. He was in so much chronic pain. He couldn't, you know, they're saying he couldn't even have sex with anyone. Like he couldn't, he physically was disabled. And then on top of that, I read his manifesto, which was about, which I believe is accurate,

I don't know if it's, you know, confirmed that it's his, I think it is. He had to watch his mother suffer in chronic, extruseating pain. She had some kind of neuropathy or whatever. And so, you have, you know, I've witnessed for the last three or four years my brother-in-law, what it has done to him psychologically, he lost so much weight, you know, became very depressed. It's tough. I mean, he's a lot to live for. But I think it's very plausible learning about pain and chronic pain patients and their struggle. There's like a whole thing called the pain community that he belongs to where these people talk about what do we do? Like, how do we live? Because honestly, they're haunted by thoughts of suicide. I mean, it's just how do you live in that

much pain. You know, if you go to Canada for that medicine, of course, they offer to kill you, right? They just do, we'll just put you in the pod and, you know, that's the end of your suffering. He doesn't want that. He wants to live and be productive. But Luigi seems to be another victim of chronic pain from this, from this like very traumatic back surgery, the same one that my brother-in-law had. And I think he just snapped. I think it was just, you know, apparently he was untreated. And that level of pain can drive, can drive someone mad, I think. And so I think he did have some kind of psychological breakdown. He was exploring hallucinogenetics,

I think for pain relief or who knows. And he just, I mean, clearly he was sane at one point in his life. You know, he was a very smart, high achieving kid. And then he just snapped. So I wrote an article about exploring what potentially maybe perhaps the chronic pain, excruciating pain and the surgery may have contributed to that breakdown. Well, listen, what people suffer, it's awful.

And I don't know. We don't yet know the details of why he killed this guy. You know, to some extent, and I could be wrong about this. So I say it, I preface what I'm going to say by saying I could be wrong. But sometimes something like this, it seems to me a little bit like a mob hit. Like a bad person killed another bad person. I don't know that the CEO is a bad person, but there's enough question in my mind. Because if you are, there's some stuff I read this morning.

So we really don't know yet. But we know this isn't the way people are supposed to deal with difficulty or pain or trauma. And so we have to say that. But if you are in excruciating pain, day after day after day after day. Those of us who aren't cannot imagine and don't want to imagine really how horrible that must be. And it could drive you to anything to kill yourself or in this case to kill somebody else. Who knows?

There's no excuse. But you bring up in your article so many interesting things. I said, I want to talk to you about this because when you talk about in the article that the rules changed under Obama because of the opioid crisis, the laws kind of cracked down so that people who legitimately need high-level pain medication can't get it. Correct. Yeah, they basically over-corrected, but in a way that actually caused more suffering. And what it actually did was, so now if you have a surgery gone wrong and 50% of back surgeries

either don't help the pain or make the pain worse. my brother-in-law's case, it made his pain around 50% worse. Okay. And so that's not good. And, but they don't up your dose of whatever they're giving. He's been on very low dose opioids that he tolerates very well. Most people, in fact, tolerate these drugs very well. And something like 99% do not become addicted.

Okay. Like they can take it for a while. And when the pain goes away, they can get off it and not become a drug addict. Okay. So what they're trying to do is protect for like that 1% of people who will come kind of go towards a addiction. And obviously we should stop opioid addiction is terrible. We did have an epidemic. We flooded West Virginia with all these cheap oxy pills that was terrible and addicted a lot of people. But now what happens is someone with horrific pain after a surgery

or a car accident or something cannot get relief ever, like no relief for that person. And what that does is it increases their risk of suicide. And it spiked the fentanyl epidemic largely. A lot of the people in the street that you see, the ones who are not necessarily mentally ill, are people who were driven there because they could not find any form of relief. I've had people ask me on Twitter who have had chronic pain from failed surgeries or, you know, do you know, because I've talked about this before, do you know where I can get fentanyl? You know, people are, and I have to say, I have no idea. I mean, I guess I could walk down the block and probably get it on the corner, you know, but I don't know. And I don't know what to tell them because people are desperate. And so the crackdown

under Obama. The rules changed. You know, you go into the, into the, you know, CBS. You can't even buy like over-the-counter like codeine cough syrup or whatever, right, anymore. It's all under lock and key because they're so afraid that people will, you know, do bad things with it. But what we've done is made people unable to decide for themselves. You know, my pain is at a very intense level and the doctor wants to give it to me and he can't. And so my brother-in-law actually was thrilled that I wrote about this. I mean, him and my sister are like, thrilled to bring some light to this issue because he cannot get. And what he needs basically is maybe like one extra pill a day or every few days to take the edge off his pain. And go

ahead. Now, so how is it that we have these new laws? In other words, can this not be undone by President Trump? Can this not be undone? Yeah, I think it, I think it absolutely can be. It's just, it's just changing the rules in the health care industry of what doctors are permitted. There's all these laws around it now that are extremely cumbersome. And as I wrote about my brother-in-law, when he visits, let's say, a pain clinic, they have a record of everything you've ever taken. So if you go and say, my pain is this, they'll look and say, oh, well, you were prescribed this, you know, two years ago.

So that's the only thing I can give you now. I can't change the dosage. I can't increase the dosage. And then when they give you this very low dose opioid, I think he's on, he was on tramadol and hit side effects. And now he's on Norco. which is like a like a codeine, some low morphine. It's it's not, doesn't make you high or stone.

It just takes the edge off his pain. It makes him able to like walk, okay? They make you come in for weekly urine tests. And what they're, they treat you like you're a drug addict in prison. They're making sure that you're taking the drug and not, you know, selling it, that you're not mixing it with other things and that you're not increasing your dose

with street drugs. But it makes you just feel like all you're trying to do is like live your life, pick up your baby. he has a one-year-old, he can't pick her up. All he wants is, like, a little more dose, a little bit higher dose to live. And so the Obama administration, I think, trying to do a good thing,

trying to solve the opioid epidemic, they didn't solve it. They hurt, like, hardworking people who were injured on the job or cutting, trimming their own tree or whatever. And those people are suffering. We got to go to a break. It did nothing to stop the actual fentanyl

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Welcome back. We're talking to Peachy Keenan, not her real name. Peechiekeenon.com is where you can read the article we're discussing. Peachy, we got to get this article and this information in the hands of President Trump and RFK Jr. This is a fixable problem. And to me, as I hear you talk, it strikes me that. part of the reason this has been dealt with poorly is that it it abrogates freedom.

In other words, it's the government coming in and saying, oh, you people can't be trusted to take care of yourself and to not get addicted. So we're going to make these strict laws. And, you know, in my book, if you can keep it, I talk about, you know, this idea, Osganis comes up with this idea or formulates the golden triangle of freedom that self-government, which is to say liberty, requires virtue. And so as virtue decreases, you have less liberty. And so we're in this situation right now where criminals and people who got addicted ruined it for everyone else because we ought to be trusted to take medicine. Doctors ought to be trusted to prescribe medicine.

but you have the government coming in and decreasing our freedoms. And this is as real as it gets. Freedom from pain. I ought to be able to make those decisions in my family, for my family. My doctor ought to be able to make this good. So the government gets bigger and bigger and human beings suffer. I mean, that's exactly what it sounds like you're describing. That's the issue.

Yeah. And doctors, for the most part, do want to help people. That's why they became doctors, right? They don't want to see someone suffering for life and their quality of life deteriorate. But if they said, oh, you know what? Okay, here's an extra prescription. Here's a couple extra pills a week or whatever. That doctor will lose his license and lose his career and potentially be, you know, convicted, you know, criminally prosecuted.

You're just not allowed to do that. And so where does that leave someone like my brother-in-law who is like so square, so clean-cut? The guy's never had a drag of a cigarette. He's never tried a drug. He never drinks. Like, this is not someone who's going to be on the street. like turning into an addict. Like he doesn't want to be like this, you know.

And there's so many people like him that he's met in the course of the last three or four years in the pain community. There's these huge communities of people who are like, you know, just hanging on to each other so that they don't literally kill themselves. Like they don't imagine living with this. He can't, you know, not be able to sleep. You can't sleep in a bed. Like you can't do your normal activities.

You can't exercise. It's very, very difficult. They've tried everything. And, you know, and there's no like revision surgery. Like once you have the spinal fusion surgery, like, you're done. And so that is what Luigi Mangione had. And so when I read that story about him, I was just really struck when I read more and more about the pain he may have been in and what that does. And imagine being a young man.

You know, my brother-in-law is in his mid-40s. But imagine being a very young man and realizing is my life over. Like I can't do any activities anymore. I can't surf. I can't, you know, date. I can't. Now what do I do? And so it's very, you know, I'm not excusing murder, but you can understand maybe this is a contributing factor to someone who seems sane, you know, for the first part of his life and then just went kind of crazy and decided this kind of misogotten crazy scheme to, you know, knock off the CEO of his mother's insurance company, which isn't going to help his mother, isn't going to help anybody. And now these two little boys have lost their father. I mean, it's just like such a compounding tragedy. I don't know. I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't.

I hate health insurance companies and actually United Healthcare. Are they the bad guys? I have friends who had that insurer for a long time. They were terrible. It was more expensive, less coverage. The drug costs went up. I mean, they were just like the worst company, okay? But like, no, I do not wish murder on a single soul.

Well, I mean, this is why I was saying, like, I don't know what is going on here. And I hope information comes out so we can have some clarity on what's going on. know anything about this, this CEO. It's just not clear. My wife was reading something, I don't know if it's erroneous, that he, this CEO, was supposed to testify against Nancy Pelosi on some insider trading thing next week. Wow. I mean, which then you would think like, oh, so somebody hires this guy to kill this guy, hires Mangione to kill this CEO so that he can't. Who knows? We don't know. So we're speculating, but what's substantive in the conversation is what you've written about it, and people can go again to peachy-keenan.com and read your substack, because there's nothing more

horrifying than the idea of chronic pain. And I don't care who you are. Nobody deserves to have chronic pain and anything we can do. And one thing I want to say before, we'll have one more segment, but I just want to say that getting prayer, This is real. My friend Ken Fish has been on the program many times. There are lots of people who are really anointed by God to pray for healing. And you can see, obviously not in all cases, but in many cases, prayer in the name of Jesus, can miraculously heal people.

And there are conferences where you can go. I mentioned my friend Ken Fish. If you look him up online, he is one of the people that prays. for healing and seize results. There are many out there. And I want to publicize that more on this program, publicize it more in general. I have this program to publicize things because I think that there are a lot of people.

They don't know that miracles are real. You can pray for miracles and in many cases see real results. And there are many people who have been prayed for. I mentioned Ken Fish only because he's the only friend of mine that I know. I can't think of anybody else. but there are lots of people doing ministry. And, you know, if I were sick, I would go there. I would ask people to pray for me, people who know how to pray, who've seen results.

Folks, I'm talking to Pichi-Keon. Pitchiekeenan.com is the website. We'll be right back. Welcome back, folks, talking to Pichi-Keenan. and Daniel Penny, that stuff has been in the news. Why don't we touch on that, Peachy? You've tweeted about it. I've tweeted about it.

What do you think? What an incredible acquittal that was. And I wrote about this story when it first happened. I wrote it for the Federalist about how, okay, now I need to tell my teenage sons, who are good boys, you know, Boy Scouts. I need to tell them that they are never allowed to intervene. They see a weaker woman or a child being, you know, assaulted on the street. Well, better walk away because I don't want you to go to jail for the rest of your life.

If that person, you know, you heard that person by mistake or that person dies. And I just am so grateful to the New York City jury that they actually saw through the, like, smoke screen that Alvin Bragg and Daphne, you're trying to, we're trying to create. They were trying to obfuscate the truth. They were trying to paint, you know, Daniel Penny. as the quote white man that they kept they kept referring to him as and making it about race. When it had nothing to do with race, Dan Penny didn't walk up to some random, you know, mild-mannered black man on the subway and decide to choke him out.

Like, that was not what this was. And it's just, it's another sign, I think, that things are turning, that the vibe shift is here, that people are seeing the truth. And even in the belly of the beast in Alvin Bragg's courtroom, courthouse, people were like, not going to bite anymore. And they, unanimous decision to acquit. And it's just, it was literally, I screamed what I saw the news. I like cried. I was so happy because I could easily see a boy like my oldest son one day being in that situation. And guess what? You could have the same thing. Speaking as a man, this is what men are supposed to do. If you have the ability,

the ability to protect people, you're supposed to do that. That's what guys are supposed to do. And I've often said it's like if I'm around when something like this is going down, I'm there. I'll risk my life. It's the right thing to do, folks. That's what men are supposed to do as human beings. What we're supposed to do is when we have the ability to help to put ourselves second and to put some victim first and to jump in. That's what good people do. It's what we're supposed to do.

So the idea that satanic monsters like Alvin Bragg, these are evil people that they would create a situation where people say, well, I'm not going to do that. You're creating a really wicked society. And look, people like Alvin Bragg, they really are evil. They have done tremendous evil. I cannot imagine how they get to a place in life where they could be so evil. But to try to make this a race issue, that is utterly despicable, absolutely despicable. Look, I ride the subways in New York, not so much lately, but I do. And I want to tell you, most of the people who ride the subways are black people, are Hispanic people.

That's most of the people on the subway. And those people are threatened by lunatics. And they're thinking, well, I got to ride this. The subway's not cheap, but it's cheaper than a cab. I can't afford a cab. So I got to ride the subway. And normally the subways are not dangerous places, but they can be. You have to watch what's going on.

So here you have to. have a situation where this unfortunate person who knows this person's story, but is acting out in a way that's very scary to women who are riding the subway, to older people. And so Daniel Penny leaps in as any man should who could and does something about it. And people like Alvin Bragg want to demonize him and say, it's a white thing. It's not a white thing. I know. I know. And I've commented on other people's shows. I was on with Dinesh D'Souza the other day talking about this. Most people in New York, black people, Hispanic people, whatever, they want law enforcement to help them.

They want strangers to leap in and help them to protect them from criminals and crazy people. That's what they want. And so this jury verdict really was a sign of tremendous health, I think. I mean, I really just think that they're saying, we're not. buying this race nonsense, Alvin Bragg or BLM. Again, despicable people at the heads of BLM. They're utterly despicable. They don't, I mean, again, this is the point, right?

They don't actually care about black people. If they actually cared about black people, they wouldn't advocate this lunacy. They would want more cops. They would want, but they don't care. They're making a political point. So it's kind of, it is a wonderful thing that this jury of New Yorkers rejected this narrative. It's, this is good news for America. Yeah, and I hope that the Penny family

sues the city and Alvin Bragg for putting him through this. And, you know, the trial was really about deflecting blame. Alvin Bragg and the city, they don't want the blame for men like Jordan Neely terrorizing the subway, which it is fully their faults

for putting all these crazy people into the subways, like letting them wander for years and years. So they were trying to blame Dan for that, Dan Penny for this, but it's their faults. It's their, they don't, like you said, they do not care about the black,

lives of these like, you know, deranged people who wander the city, terrorizing the other citizens. They refuse to do anything about it ever for years, right? I used to ride the subway 20 years ago. These guys were in there back then. Nothing ever changes. Oh, but they found one scapegoat. They can just blame this guy. And like, no, it's on you guys.

And I hope Alvin Bragg is up for reelection next year. And I really hope that New York City sends him packing. I mean, to me, the irony of ironies is he's some kind of an elder or something at Abyssinian Baptist Church, which was the church that Dietrich Bonhoeffer went to in 1930 and 31, where he found this new level of faith. So if you want to know how bad things are that, but I'm saying that's, that's where we are. That's where we are. You know, the good guys drift and drift and drift over the decades, and they become the bad guys. So the idea that somebody like this who is a race-baiting lunatic, Alvin Bragg, that he goes to some kind of church. I don't know.

I don't know why he does that. Of course. But that's kind of where we are. But you're saying that Daniel Penny potentially could sue the city of New York. Boy, do I hope he does that. Yeah, I don't know exactly. I think maybe police have immunity, but I think he does have obviously grounds for a civil suit against the city against Alvin Bragg for this basically totally spurious lawsuit. cost him all this money. He lost a year and a half of work, reputational damage, all of it.

I hope Dan Penny gets some kind of giant book deal, and he's rich for the rest of his life. He deserves that. And you should never set foot, obviously, New York City ever again. Well, doesn't he live in New York City or was he? Yeah, he does. I hope he goes. I hope he leaves. Well, I don't know. I live here. I'd like to be hanging out in the city with Daniel Pennies. He's a total hero. And most New Yorkers, that's the point. Of course, would see him as a hero. It's only like, you know, the sort of the leftist lunatics that would try to demonize somebody that everybody sees as a hero. Okay, folks, if you want to read Pichi Kienin's stuff, which I recommend, go to pichie Keehanin.com. You should follow her on Twitter.

Pichi Kian, thank you for being my guest today. Thank you so much, Eric. Take care. Okay, folks, I'm going to get back to the Christmas gifts real quick. These are just ideas. obviously these are ideas. I mentioned that Donald drains the swamp. That's a big one for me because I haven't mentioned that.

And the idea that Donald Trump has been reelected by the grace of the Lord, my gosh, and he now gets to drain the swamp. And he's, you know, nominating these flame throwers, like Pete Hagueseff, to take a flamethrower to the woke satanic Pentagon. I mean, can you imagine we've got Vivek. and Elon, you know, for the DOGE. This is really exciting. This is actually draining the swamp.

So this is a big deal. So that book, Donald drains the swamp, you can get at my store.com with the code Eric. You got to use the code Eric. Otherwise, you don't get, these are big discounts at my store.com, very big discounts. Most of my books are available at my store.com with significant discounts.

MyStore.com use the code Eric. Mypillow.com. Tons of stuff. The towels are fantastic. The mattress topper is fantastic. It's Mypillow.com. You got to use the code, Eric. Okay, what else?

The cruise, we forgot. Now, I keep mentioning CSI. That to me is the ultimate gift. You got to go to Metaxistalk.org. Click on the banner to free a slave in someone's name. Oh, my gosh. That's amazing. But the cruise.

I don't want to forget to mention. We now have 210 people officially signed up. Every day, a couple more people sign up. And people keep telling me, I'm going to sign up. I didn't sign up yet. Yomi Park, she's in the Socrates Conversations book. She was with us this two nights ago at our 25th Christmas gala. And she wants to come.

John Smirik is coming. To tell somebody on Christmas morning, my gift to you is, We're going on a cruise to the Greek islands with Eric Metaxus and all these other wonderful people. That is a big gift. That's a huge gift. It's an extravagant gift. But it's 10 days on the Mediterranean. I'm going to be, you know, talking my heart out about all my books.

It's going to be a lot of fun. And it starts in Athens. We're going to tack on a three days in Athens before the cruise, which if people want to do that, but first you've got to sign up for the cruise really. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense. but you can find out about that if you want to give that as a gift at ericmetaxis.com slash cruise that's ericmetaxis.com slash cruise you have to know I spell ericmetaxis.com slash cruise so that's huge.

I mentioned the Socrates book, but I want to say that there are lots of gifts at Socrates in the city.com at the website. really great stuff. I was the hat. I see one over there. Gorgeous hats, gorgeous mugs, beautifully designed folks. Really beautiful. So you can do like a Socrates package, Christmas fun Socrates package.

You can get the book, the new Socrates book. You can get the hat. You can get the mug. There's other stuff. There's like a tote bag. The sweatshirt is the most beautiful object. I mean, it's beautiful. I just, it's so beautiful.

that young women will look classic and beautiful wearing the sweatshirt. You'll see. It's a navy with it's just a lettering. It's really elegant. It's kind of amazing. Yeah, it's a collegiate look. It's very classic. Our friend who designed it has a fashion background.

It's beautiful stuff. I mean, it's the kind of thing if you wear it with it with a turtleneck. Like it's beautiful. It's beautiful. So Socrates and the city.com, all that stuff is there. You can sign somebody up for Socrates. plus, that's a cool gift. That's not a lot of money.

And that's a year. It's the year's gift that keeps on giving. So all kinds of stuff. Obviously, Ericmetaxis.com. All my books are available there. A lot of stuff. We'll share more with you in a few minutes.

And then we'll get to Doug Giles. Don't go away.