The Eric Metaxas Show - Pearl Barrett and Serene Allison

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Pearl Barrett and Serene Allison joined to discuss their new book Trim Healthy Wisdom

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The CEO is Connor Hilliard. He is my guest, Connor. Welcome. Thank you so much, Eric. Glad to be here. There are tons of people who know about the Pinnacle Forum and tons of people on this program right now who are saying, what is that? So since you're the CEO, I figured I could ask you. What is the Pinnacle Forum?

Yeah. Well, delighted to have the opportunity to share about Pentical Forum. We've been around for about 30 years and we're really created and by a challenge that our founders had laid on by Dr. Bill Bright, a name that's probably familiar to many in your audience led crew. And he had challenged a group of influencers, Christian leaders across the nation, to kind of survey the land and look at the culture and say, hey, guys, this, something's missing here. Our culture desperately needs help. What are you guys going to do about it?

And so what they did, these were guys who had kind of aged out of young president's organization, and they had found that the forum experience was something that was hugely been to them. And what they realized is that if they could come alongside Christian leaders of all stripes from more than just the marketplace and give them a place and space to talk about who God had called them to be, to grow in their faith, to really be surrounded by peers, focused on their specific needs, that the Holy Spirit would show up and imbue them and encourage and equip them to go out and engage and execute in a culture for Christ. And so that's what we do, Eric, is we provide forms for the Christian leader out there who desperately needs true authentic peers

and a highly confidential, highly transparent setting that they feel like can pour into them and their needs, whether that's personal, spiritual, relational, and help them really unlock what it is that God has called them to go do and live it out in bold new ways and impacting the culture for Christ. When did Pinnacle Form start? Yeah, about 30 years ago. So 1995, our founders hiked Pinnacle Peak in Scottsdale, Arizona, and prayed about what God would have them do and then had this revealed to them.

And the rest is history. They hiked Pinnacle Peak. See, this is why I asked these questions. I learned stuff. I never would have known. Yeah. Because it sounds like a generic name. You know, Pinnacle, great idea.

But you're saying, no, no, no. They actually hiked Pinnacle Peak in Scottsdale. Arizona. Yeah, once they reach the summit, they did a time of prayer and communion and just very intentionally sought the Lord about God. How can we minister to those who, one would think, are already very well ministered to, but in fact, data statistics shows otherwise and that Christian leaders are super isolated and lonely. In fact, a statistic that only seems to grow more and more in the wrong direction. and we've been in this ministry for the last 30 years. So, and how did you get involved in Pinnacle Forum?

That's a great question. So my story is really unique. So I'm 31, Pinnacle's 30. So how did a guy that was one years old when this thing started end up leading it? So I was born and raised in Central Illinois in a really small little town there. And my father was a young entrepreneur, bought his first company at the age of 26 years old. and his description of it was he kind of lived his life in silos. We were a Christian family, but he had his faith in one silo, his business in another silo, his community, so on and so forth.

Everything was kind of separate and apart from his faith in Christ. And there were some local kind of business titans that had gone out to Scottsdale and gotten exposed to Pinnacle Forum, which is obviously where we were started, and brought it back to the local Central Illinois community. and he got exposed to it at the age of 40. And it fundamentally changed him as a man and knocked all of those silos down to where there wasn't an aspect of his life. It was a grain of his life that wasn't being shaped and influenced by his faith in Christ. So in our house, it was always very obvious why dad became a different guy. I mean, it was a stark contrast of how we got a different dad. My mother got a different husband.

his company's got a better leader. The community got a leader that was pointing them towards the truth. And so I always had a deep admiration and trust and respect for this ministry. When I was 26 years old, oddly, I felt kind of in my own life that I needed something like Pinnacle form. But I wasn't, for lack of a better term, at the pinnacle of my influence and impact. So I went to the board of directors kind of selfishly and said, hey, you guys should think about doing this and starting this program. well, asking you shall receive, I kind of end up having to lead that aspect of Pinnacle Forum. And so over the last four years, I had led that part of the ministry, built it into a really

key part of it, kind of the sub 40 demographic. And then in August of 2024, this last year I was named Permanent CEO of the Ministry. So before you came on board at age 26, Pinnacle Forum was 40 and above, get geared toward men 40 and above. Yeah, historic. And we had recently just brought in serving women. We believe if we're going to transform leaders who transform culture, we might want to have every aspect of culture, including the men and women that shape it. And what I found in starting the young leaders program, I kind of thought of, hey, we're creating a bench, right? We're going to get these guys trained up and ready and prepared for when they're at the peak of their influence to really build and shape the culture for Christ. And what I found was, These young men and women were ready to do it today. They were ready to use their influence that they had. Yes, they had a different set of challenges.

They weren't, like I said, at the peak of their influence in their careers, and they have a lot more going on at home. They're raising young families, trying to find the right spouse. But they were ready to use their impact and influence for Christ today. And so that is what we're helping our leaders do is live it out today and giving them that safe place where they can. can really grow and be sanctified in who Christ has called them to be. And how does this work practically?

How do people find the pinnacle forum? Great question. So we had historically been a chapter-based model. So we would find pockets across the country and have champions in those local pockets and build out presences that way. Prior to COVID, what we had realized was it was really hard for us to plug into big cities and plug into really small communities where there may be highly important. influential leaders in those communities. And what it was happening is because of the frequency of

when we meet in a city like Dallas, where I live, it was hard for busy people, influential people to get across town once a week for an hour-long meeting. So we adopted this thing called Zoom, long before anybody had heard kind of what Zoom was. And we were able to bring up people from across the country together in these Zoom forms and flatten the travel time needs. So guys were hopping in their, you know, T-shirt and shorts before they're, days got off and running and we're able to plug in to these forms. And also what we found was due to the confidential nature of Pinnacle form, you know, there wasn't a, our spouses aren't going to bump into each other at the grocery store. So I really can be totally vulnerable and

transparent. So we do forms over Zoom and we do forms in person where we get a critical mass in a local community. So we have a kind of all of the above approach. But these forms meet for an hour, most oftentimes once a week and are made up with six to seven peer leaders that may be from different walks of life may all be marketplace guys may have some political folks may have some folks that are in broadcasting such as yourself but these leaders are true peers and we try to be very intentional about how we craft our forms to be highly reflective of peer peership and people that you immediately come in and say this guy or lady knows what I'm going through And so that curve of trying to bring them up to speed about what I'm dealing with or they're not giving me blank stares when I say, hey, I don't know how I'm going to make payroll next week or my marriage is really struggling.

All of those things are, like I said, flatten those curves. Is there a website where people can check it out? Absolutely. It's just www.pinnacleforum.com. It's really easy to get access to. You can learn more about us through that. And if somebody is interested in hearing more, set up a time to connect with us and learn more. Well, Connor Hilliard, I'm so glad you could come on.

And I just wanted to introduce my audience to something I've been hearing about for a long time, the Pinnacle Forum. Thank you. God bless you. The work you're doing. It gives me great hope. God bless you. Thank you so much. Appreciate the time.

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New York Times bestselling book, Trim Healthy Mama. I was not aware of that book, Trim Healthy Mama. book trim healthy mama and they have a new book called trim healthy wisdom a journey of hormone harmony and lasting wellness i have to say i i'm unaware of of this phenomenon of hormone harmony and i want to ask you about it so pearl and serene welcome thank you great to be here what is this i was i was saying to you earlier you you have accents that are a combination of australian and New Zealand. Yeah.

So what are different words that they say that they say differently in Australia and New Zealand? Oh, between the two. What about like boot for trunk, you know? Oh, no, I don't mean the whole word. That's between America. Well, you know, in New Zealand you say Kiora for Gide. Gide would be the way of saying hello in Australia. And in New Zealand you say Kira, which means essence of life.

I've never heard that. Yeah. I've never heard that. Wow. It's a bit like Aloha, you know, in Hawaii. Yeah, I guess. So it sounds Maori. It is.

Mori. But you don't have to have face tattoos to say that. No, you do. All right. I'm glad to hear it. So what is this phenomenon that, because there are people that are aware of the two of you. What's your story? Because you're the co-founders of Trim Healthy Mama.

Well, it's a story of trying all the fads and basically being done and broken on the side of the road and thinking, I just don't know how to eat healthy. That's sustainable. Where my kitchen is in a war zone and where my family can eat around the table and can be blessed. And it's not just bird food, you know, and all the fun taken out of it. Yeah. And we're, I don't know if you saw that. We're sisters, actually.

So we grew up, strangely, we're third generation crunchy. Like, crunchy, I mean, like, our mom, like, you know, she ground her wheat and her mom before her and baked bread. Everyone else was eating white bread. and we had to eat this brick bread, you know. And they had health books. We grew up with health books. But in the end, that got us into a lot of trouble. What do you mean?

We read all the health books from young. All the wisdom of man. You know? Because a lot of the fads, they're just, they're not founded on real ancient truth. It's a lot of like remove food groups and whole macronutrients. And it kind of messed us up. Well, if you live long enough, as I certainly have, it's disturbing to notice that things that were given to you as gospel truth

are not true. That's disturbing. Because you think, wait a minute, I was told, don't eat this, don't eat this, and you think that's complete nonsense. That really can make you very cynical. And so, because, yeah, you want to know, listen, what's the bottom line?

What is good for me to eat? Exactly. That's where we were. We were told meat was bad and the optimist. And butter is bad. Yeah, the, I was just going to say, those are the two things that I was told, you know, you're always told,

oh, yeah, by red meat. Very bad. Red meat. Very bad. And I had a test done, some blood work done just a few years ago on what's optimal for me to eat and what's not great but okay and then what's actually bad. Beef is like the greatest thing I could eat. Butter is the greatest thing I could eat. And I thought, this is exactly the opposite of what I've believed all of my life. I know. And we were the same way. And then we looked in the Bible actually. And it was like Abraham created a meal for Jehovah. And it was beef. It was... And butter of kind.

It blew our minds. I mean, like, we were vegans for decades. You were vegans for decades. I was a psycho-raw food vegan. I mean, I had my husband chucked the oven off of the deck. I had like 12 dehydrators worrying with like, I don't know, like carrot juice patte, you know, formed into burgers. You know, trying to feed my family on that. But, you know, at the end of all that, I was.

I was just so broken and so done. And I kind of peel open the Bible with my nose, like, sniffling and crying. And I'm like, God, I've always come to you for spiritual wisdom. I know there's something practical in here for how I'm meant to eat. And I stumbled across that incredible poetic verse in Deuteronomy that's like, I give you the harvest of the field, the blood of the grate, the fat of the ram, the milk of the goat. It went through all the food groups. And I'm like, I've always just taken one out.

I've never just seen it as an inclusion. Amazing. I mean, because I never would, I honestly never would have thought to look to the Bible for this kind of thing. You did. But just what you quoted, you'd think, hey, what about that? The fat of the ram? The fat of the ram, really? So I can eat meat. I can eat fatty meat. And the Bible is describing it like it's a good thing. And the other thing these days is, you know, you get the other side of the spectrum and it's like, okay, grains, you know, we're not meant to eat cultivated, you know. Well, plants are out to kill you. That's the latest thing, you know. They're all. Well, see, look, this is the thing. I've heard it all.

I finally asked some people about the carnivore diet, right? And I thought, you know, I love meat, but now you're telling me only eat meat. And I guess in some bizarre cases, I can imagine how that might work for some people. But when you ask them what, you know, why would it be good only to eat meat? They start describing plants like, you know, they're there to kill you. like plant and I thought that's just confusing. Yeah. It's not the way God designed our bodies.

So it, yeah, it is confusing and it's frustrating. I think so many women and men are so done. They're like, if I have to hear one more thing about what is bad. Right. What I shouldn't put in my body and these foods that, you know, God created for good that are now evil. And of course, but there are some evil things, you know. Well, there are many evil things. It's kind of like what man has twisted or, you know.

And it's not the basic foods, the basic nourishing, nurturing foods. And so we always come back to the Bible for our filter every time it's like, okay, you're going to say, you know, we come from grok and we just have to eat only what we can bang on the head. Well, no, we're going to come back to the blueprint, you know, the creator wrote for our bodies. And so, you know, it's keeping us grounded. And there's security in that. But we're geeks. We're nerds. So we just went deep into the science.

Okay, so how do these foods work? You know, how do they interplay with our hormones? And so that's how we came up with this whole Trim Healthy Mama thing, which took off on its own. So you now live in the Nashville area? Yes. But... We say good a y'all now.

You say gooday y'all. But you... So when did you start on this path that you're both on right now? Yeah, we were just like moms in the home trying to sort this whole thing out because it was a big deal to us. I have 14 children. She has five children and so we were like... Did you just say...

You have 14 children? Well, I only had... I only gave birth to nine of them. I adopted five, so yeah. Oh, just nine. Yeah. How pathetic. Holy cow.

That's terrific. That's wonderful. So it was... But I'm saying it's in recent decades. This wasn't like, you know, the beginning of your lives. No, no, no. This was when we were moms in the home and we were just so done with all the information. And you know, having bellies going out.

belly's going in and we're like how do we just we felt very vulnerable and out of control like how do you keep a girlish waistline when you're just having all these babies is it possible is there a way to sustain health and for myself and put a dinner on for my family where a mummy's not sitting in the corner being miserable with baby carrots you know so yeah so we we kind of found this plan you know it wasn't like the bible actually said eat this for breakfast and this it wasn't that but it was including all the food groups but doing it with the way our bodies work, hormonally. Right, because sometimes healthy foods can put weight on you.

Yeah. You know, you eat cream and all day long pull them over a bunch of bananas, you might end up fat. Yeah. Yeah, so, and so we just... And yet I think of cream and bananas as good foods. Oh, yes. Good foods. Right.

And they're needed for certain seasons and for certain times and they're excellent foods and shouldn't be villainized, yes. Well, what about... I always want to ask about bread. We're living in this weird time. where we know that wheat is so processed here in the United States. You have all these people with gluten allergies and stuff. Do you talk about that?

What are your thoughts on that? Yes. I love God's gluten. You know, I love the gluten that he put in there, you know, in the ancient grains, like in the spelt and the camut and in the emerald wheat. You know, he put it in the right amount. But, you know, Monsanto wheat and all of the glyphosates all over it. And it's all just kind of like made to be much higher in gluten, not in the amounts that God put it in there.

So we live on bread, ancient grains, and we ferment them and make the wonderful sourdough loaves. So if you, I mean, not everybody's able to bake. I'm speaking about myself, of course. So if you go to a health food store, what kinds of bread tend to be good that you would say are safe? Well, we say sprouted because then the grains are broken down, so the nutrients are released, or a sourdough bread.

And that's, you know, all of the, the glycemic index level is reduced, and your body just knows how to process it. So much better. A sourdough, too, that's, you know, as far away from the white color as possible, you know. Interesting. But you said sprouted bread.

I mean, that's available. Easy keel 4-9 brand. Yeah, I mean, I don't break. And this is, I guess, part of our thing. You know, she's the pure. She loves to bake from scratch and do all the, like, get the chicken and, you know, get the broth from the bones. Whereas I'm drive-through suit.

Like, I like to do everything in a shortcut. But we both live healthy lives. And so I think that's why a lot of families have been drawn to us. You don't have to be a certain way. You don't have to be ultra granola like serene. And so we kind of had these two different paths you can take. Right. Now, I didn't even ask which one of you is Pearl?

Pearl. Pearl. You're Pearl, but you identify as Drive-Thru Sue. Yeah. And you're Serene. Yes. Okay. The food.

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It's their description. It's Pearl Barrett and Serene Allison, their sisters and their health and wellness experts. So how did you come by the name Trim Healthy Mamas? I know your Mamas, because you've got a ton of kids between you. So your Mamas. But where do you... I'm a grandmamas now.

Now your grandmamas. But the Trim Healthy Mammas. Mamas. Where did that phrase come from? You know, when we wrote this book and our first book took us five years, we didn't think anything was going to happen with it. We just wanted to like give it to people that kept asking us questions. It took us five years because we were, you know, still homeschooling all these children. So we did it in the summer when they were like, you know, out in the climbing trees. And we didn't even have a name for it at the beginning. We thought, what we should we call it?

Okay, well, we're mammas and we want to be trim. No, we're not about skinny and we want to be healthy. So trim healthy mama and it was just the name of a book and we thought that's it. We'll like print on demand five copies and that will be the end of it. But somehow it, you know, I was hanging my diapers on the line and a la natural, you know, all my nappies. And I got a phone call for, you know, your book is New York Times best sell. I'm like, what is even New York Times? Like I'm just out in the sticks. And so God had another plan for it. So now it's a movement and we just kept the name of the book. So we really didn't plan on it. the first book come out? That was late 2012.

Okay. And so that took off. Yeah, like, we didn't spend any money on advertising. It's just, it was a God open door. It was resonating with desperate woman who were just lost with the wisdom of man. They tried all of the fads. And they were just like, I need something sustainable. I need something enjoyable. And we didn't even do it to really help people lose uddles or weight. We just wanted to remain trim and healthy. Well, what happened was, we just got all these stories coming in, you know, I've lost 50 pounds, I've lost 100, pounds and we're like what the heck oh my goodness and yeah it just kind of took off but the name is

funny and then people are like well why mama that's you know so excluding a lot of people and um so we thought we'd change it you know instead of trim healthy maybe we'll go to tribe healthy but you know what we really had this identity crisis we've come back to our name because we really believe that the you know the mama is the heart of the home and when you get the mama healthy by default often the husband healthy and the children healthy. Well, so now I don't have a copy of that book, the first book, Trim Healthy Mums. I have a copy of, it's the new book, right?

Yeah. It's called Trim Healthy Wisdom. And this is literally, ladies and gentlemen, you're listening? Literally the biggest book I have seen in years, physically the largest book. And that's not a compliment. It's a description. It's a description. This book is, I don't know how many pages.

It's around 1,000. Okay, it's 1,000 pages. but it's not just a thousand pages because, you know, if you pick a copy, pick up a copy of War and Peace, that's more than a thousand pages. It's still nowhere near as big as this book. This book is physically monstrous. You could murder someone with this book.

It's a beast. It is. This is a very, very heavy, large book. It's nine, it looks like it's a nine by seven hardcover, a thousand pages. So why is the book so big? Yeah, it's kind of like our first book, which was big like that, too.

hundred pages was our first book and everyone said, oh my goodness, you will never sell one. Nobody's going to want this. Yeah. But you see, we kept on saying, but we don't want to split it up and people buy like one out of the three and then don't get the full picture of information. We just want one like coffee table book where it's all there in one place. And when you have the time to digest each chapter, then do it. But you won't lose the plot. Yeah, but we made a mistake in our first one.

We didn't put any summaries. And so this time, like end of each chapter. You could just read the summaries. You still get the information. But we're geeks, and we love to research. So the research is in there. We cried at all the studies we couldn't put in there. We're like, no, please don't make me take them out.

But all the studies you couldn't put in here. Yeah, because women are confused and frustrated, especially at this time, and especially for those going through changes in their hormonal seasons. And like you said, they become cynical. They're like, well, why should I believe this? Is this really going to lead me down to health because I've tried all the other ways? But, you know, when you have a lot of studies, to back it up. It's just a little more

foundational. Right. Yeah. Foundational. And so this is, so is this aimed at people of any age or is this specifically for women of a certain age? Because when you're talking about hormones, I kind of think of, you know. A woman that first kind of like became this group.

They've aged now into the perimenopausal, postmenopausal. And so we and so we went through this trial and this desperate season and we've passed it on to them. Now we would love woman in their 20s and 30s to read this because we, it's the book that we wish we knew back then.

Yeah. Because then you're not trying to sprint to catch up to the train on the things that really ease your way into rocking 40 and beyond. Right. This book is really how to rock 40 and beyond because most people, they get to 40 and they're like, oh, okay, now am I starting to get over the hill? Is all my golden years behind me? You know, am I just, this book is going to give them the,

easy hacks and just ways to feel fabulous and give them hope for the future. So what is like a typical, you know, breakfast, lunch, dinner, you know, what are the kinds of things that you recommend people eating? Well, we are anchored around protein. And so every meal, we're like, well, where is my protein? And that's so important for women. Women don't need enough protein. But we're also about, you know, great carbs and good veggies and the good healthy fats

and meats too. So it's well around. So for breakfast, you know, if I'll have oatmeal or I'll have eggs. And if I'm having oatmeal, I'll have protein powder on the side. And lunch we're like all good bread, you know, with a sandwich with protein. Yeah, tuna or salmon or... Yeah, cottage cheese. And then dinner is like, you know, a meat and veggie and a salad or salmon.

So there's nothing crazy around the ordinary. No, we're simple, but it works. And why, Pearl? Tell why we're all anchored around protein. First of all, it stabilizes your blood sugar. But, you know, especially after. 30, you know, where sarcopenia comes and, you know, you're losing. Sarcopenia?

Yes, you're losing this muscle mass. I'm not familiar with that. Where's he from? What is sarcopenia? Well, it happens to all of us, man and woman. Yes, after 30, you lose a certain amount of muscle mass every year unless you start contending. And then, of course, as the hormones slowly decline in perimenopausal and then freight train downhill and postmenopausal, your hormones are anabolic. Your estrogen and your testosterone, they help keep that muscle around, keep building

muscle. Hang on one second. This is too important. We'll be right back. Folks, I'm talking to Pearl Barrett and Serene Allison, who are co-founders of Trim Healthy Mama, which means that they're health and wellness experts. And you were just talking about how after a certain age, we lose muscle math. Yes. And so what is the principal way to combat that? I would assume weightlifting. Yes, that is a big part. Pearl. But it starts with protein. Well, yes, and you need protein. So we're all about fueling the muscle, building the muscle, but at the same time, cleaning the muscle out. So you think fueling, we're thinking of the animal proteins, right?

That wonderful steak that you're thinking, this is the best thing for me now. And that's wonderful. But plants, see, we love the balance. We're not only meat over here celebrating meat or just, no, we're just going to celebrate plants. Both, because plants clean out your muscle tissue. Have you seen a lovely steak with the fatty striations through it? That's the yummy kind of steak. But that's kind of what happens to our muscles as they get older. They striate with fat. And then it's harder for them to open up their hungry little cupboards to take in the blood sugar, to take in the fuel from our bloodstream. And so we need to clean them out. You can't just think, oh, I'm going to eat animal foods, build them. They have to be

clean to be able to build them. So when you say that, you said vegetables? What is the... You want foods, you know, greens and salads and non-starchy veggies, even the nice root veggies, sweet potatoes. Yeah. Sweet potatoes are great cleansers. I'll keep that in mind. Actually, some golden potatoes, too. I love golden potatoes. So people are all against, oh, the potato is evil, but...

Wait, what do you mean golden potatoes? You mean regular potatoes? No, no, no. They're not a big russet. Yeah, those white potatoes, some people can eat them, but some of us, they're a bit spike in our blood sugar. So those golden, they're like yellow, and they're a little more creamy. They're delicious. Well, it's kind of funny.

like actual potatoes. The huge ones seem like processed. I don't know. They don't, they don't strike me as they're more starchy. I was going to say it's just like a starch bomb. It is a starch bomb. It's just a starch bomb. It doesn't seem healthy. But we are all about carbohydrates. I wanted to just put that in too. We're not just about protein because a lot of times in the fads, they're like low carb, low carb, low carb. We did that. Oh, I did that. And it doesn't necessarily, people like, oh, look at my blood now. It's so wonderful. I'm, you know, my A1C is down and everything. But sometimes You're not actually healing the problem. You're just putting a band-aid over it.

You're not really putting the test before your health, you know, and saying, can you process? But we just need healthy carbs, I guess, is what you're saying. Healthy carbs are so important. And especially for women, because as we get older, our estrogen goes down, and carbs are the things that help us stay happy. And as our estrogen goes down, well, our serotonin goes down. So carbs raise serotonin. So they're really important for women. And when mama is not happy, yeah.

Yeah, the home is not happy. Right. Then she hits the red wine. Yeah, right. There's a chapter in here, how not to fuel your workout and then how to fuel your workout. What's that referring to? Well, how not to fuel is doing what many women think is the right thing and do it fasted. So, like, get up in the morning and no food. Oh, doing a workout without having eaten anything.

And that's not a good idea. Not for woman. You know, I love that verse in the Bible that says, you know, he gently leads those that were young. You know, woman, especially in their reproductive years, their body responds to harsh things like working out with no fuel in their body, responds with a cortisol response, which is that stress hormone, and that puts weight on the belly. Wow. And we have two, it's called Kiss Peptim. We have two receptors in our brains, and you and have one. Males only have one.

I only need one. Yeah, it's the response to food. We are very aware, and our bodies do not like it when we do not get food. And so we respond very differently to doing anything without food. We need food. So if somebody's going to work out, you recommend them fueling their workout. But with what, for example? With protein.

And we like energy carbohydrates, you know, beforehand. So not the spiking kind. What do you mean by energy carbohydrates? Well, like full woman. And we're talking about usually, you know, this is really unimportant if you're only time to work out is in the morning before you've had breakfast. Because otherwise you're usually pretty fueled throughout the day. Okay.

But so we just say to woman, hey, listen, just have a little bit of fruit. It's going to hit your bloodstream fast and your body's going to be like, oh, I'm okay. And then a little drink. If you've got some protein powder, we like essential amino acids. Just a little drink of that. And then your body goes through the stress of the workout, but it knows it's okay. It's fueled. And that keeps the cortisol from spiking.

Like a banana? Sure. Yeah, half a banana. You don't want it like you bog your stomach down with a whole bunch of food. Just a little bit. A banana. A mandarin. It's pronounced banana.

Banana. Banana sounds much nicer. Banana. But something like that. Yeah, something like that. Men, probably not as important, although still helpful, but this is for women, yeah. This is specifically for women, what you've written is specifically. This book is for women.

Yeah, I know. Obviously. It definitely trickles into the man's face. It makes a husband happy, though, believe me. Well, I'm sure. This is so much important stuff and there's so much in here. What is, part three is titled The Whizzy Way. What is, what does that refer to?

Well, you know, down under, we kind of put a why on the end of lots of things like breakfast, bricky. Have a happy Chrissy and a happy newie. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. So, like, with wisdom, we just call it whizzy when we're doing our meals, when we're wisdom-fying them up, you know. So you mean the wisdom way, but you call it the wizzy way. Call it wizzy because, like, we don't want to be all doom and gloom and be happy and fun. It's a cute way of referring to wisdom.

Yeah. It's a fun way of referring to wisdom. And so you talk about hormones, you talk about supplements. I assume you recommend that people take supplements. It starts with food as your basis, but yes, in this world we kind of need that little bit extra. But you can go too far and like your whole medicine cabinet can be like a health food store. We kind of cut through the glut and say, you know what really is necessary and what is just a whole bunch of, yeah, busy business in your cupboards.

And money spent. Yeah. So we got like bare bones. You're just going to do like, tell me what three things do I need. We let you know. And then if you've got a bit more to spend, well, we let you know. And so what is the website where people can find you? It's www.

trimhealthymama.com. That's where we all are. Trimhealthymama.com. Yeah. I could have guessed that. Trimhealthymama. com. When did this book come out?

The new, this book, Monster Book. It's just this last month. It's just released. Yes. Trim Healthy Wisdom. Trim Healthy Wisdom is the new book, and the website is Trimhealthymama.com. And if you want to do weight training, you could just use the book. That's right.

Yeah, we talk all about that and the ways to do it as a woman that just really her body will respond to. And if you're not in good enough shape to lift the book, you can get to a point where eventually you can lift the book. I think it's important. So the website is trimhealthy mama.com. I've been speaking with Pro Barrett and Serene Allison. Thank you so much. Thank you, Eric. Hey there, folks.

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