The Eric Metaxas Show - Pete Hegseth & David Goodwin (Encore)

Episode Date: June 18, 2022

Pete Hegseth from Fox News and David Goodwin, authors of the new book, "Battle for the American Mind," are in the studio to examine public education and how we went from God-centered learning to state-run indoctrination. (Encore Presentation)

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Reverend Bill Cook, he's the founder and CEO of, of America's Black Robe Regiment. Bill Cook, tell my audience. First of all, welcome. Tell my audience what that is. Thanks, Eric. It's great to be with you. The Black Robe Regiment is the name that the British affixed to the American clergy during the American founding era.

Because they blamed the clergy. The clergy wore black robes. It was a derisive reference to the black robes that they wore. And they blamed the clergy for what they called the Rebellion, which we call the war for independence. Hang on, Bill. I don't remember this part that it was the British that gave our side the name the Black Rove Regiment. They were the ones to say that it's the pastors in the pulpits, in the 13 colonies that are

that are trouble. And so they called them the Black Roe Bregiment. I did not know that it was a term of derision that we kind of flipped to our advantage. I just learned that. Thank you. Right. It was. And actually, the British used the term black regiment.

They didn't use the term black robe regiment, but it was definitely a reference to robes. And one parliamentarian said at one point when they're discussing when they were discussing their back. Cousin America has run off with the Presbyterian Parsons speaking with John Witherspoon. It's a little hard to hear you. I just want to make sure everybody's tracking. Now, the reason I'm having you on today is because on July 8th, in Virginia Beach, there is something called Gideon's 300 Liberty Congress, which is part of the reawaken America tour. Talk about this. I mean, so many people that I know are going to be at this.

I will not be at this, but lots of folks of whom I'm fond will be there. So what is the reawaken America tour in Virginia Beach? And how does Gideon's 300 Liberty Congress relate to that? Well, it's exactly what it says reawaking. The goal is to reawaken America. And over the last year, 13 months, these conferences have been going on all over the country. Millions of people have attended.

And really, it's transition in the leadership of it. All right, we had some quality control audio issues. I think we just fixed them. So Reverend Bill Cook, the founder and CEO of America's Black Robe Regiment. keep telling us what you were telling us just a moment ago, because this is exciting. Well, basically, the organizers of this conference came to me a few weeks ago and said, we believe pastors are the last line of defense in America, and they really need to step up and play a leadership role in this country.

And so I was tasked to get at least 300 pastors to come to the conference down in Virginia Beach and to do a pastor summit down there. And 300 was the number I chose as a starting point because, You know, the obvious number, the obvious, the reason it's called Gideon's 300 is because 300 and Gideon go together. And it's not going to be a majority of pastors in America that take a stand that stand up and do what's right. But it's probably going to be a relative remnant or minority that actually has the courage to do what needs to be done in the days ahead. And so we're going to bring them in, encourage them, challenge them, and in many ways kind of read them the riot act. Well, now, if pastors want to come to this, how do they find out about this?

Because I'm realizing that many people are probably hearing about it right now for the first time. And maybe they would like to be in Virginia Beach on the 8th and 9th of July. So where can people go? Well, first of all, pastors are getting in. Their tickets are cost, are only costing, name your own price. So pastors are getting in for a song. And it's because we want them to come. We don't want money to stop them from coming.

And so the way that they get tickets is they go to thrive time show.com and click on the request tickets button at the top right of the screen that comes up. Enter their information. Make sure they mention in their information along with their name that they're a reverend that they want to come to Gideon's 300. And someone from the team, plays team, and call them post-taste. Okay. Nobody heard that, so I'm going to repeat it. thrive time show.com. Thrivetime show.com. What is ThriveTimeShow.com?

What is that? It's an organization that Clay Clark started. They do, they have Thrive Time Show is essentially a podcast that happens every day that Clay Clark leads. Okay, that's how I know it is through Clay Clark. And of course, Clay Clark is the guy puts together these Reawaken America. events. General Flynn will be there. It looks like all kinds of people will be there. I don't have a list, but I'm looking at the picture. Lots of people of whom I'm very fond will be at this event. And this is July 8th and 9th. When is your part of the event happening? My part of the event will happen from 11 to 3 p.m. on Friday. On the 8th. And Dave Scarlett and Amanda Grace, my friend Amanda Grace, is going to be there.

I'm so sorry I cannot be there. This is what happens. I read about this and I think, man, I wish I could be there. But I don't believe I can be there. I'm going to look into it as soon as I get off the air. But I don't think that I can. Obviously, there's a whole other – I should mention a few of these folks that are going to be at your event. Obviously, you, Reverend Bill Cook, but Bill Federer, boy, there's an American hero.

Bill Federer General Jerry Boykin will be there. I mentioned General Michael Flynn. Eric Trump, no relation to the president. Pastor Jim Garlo, gosh, lots of people. Look at this. This is terrific. But this is part of the reawaken America tour in Virginia Beach, July 8th and 9th. And if pastors want to go to this part of it, which is in the middle of the day on Friday the 8th,

They need to go to thrive time show.com, thrive time show.com. You probably don't know this, Bill, but I've written a book that's not coming out until the fall. But when you talk about what you just said, I wrote a book called Letter to the American Church. It's a short book, but it deals with what we're talking about right now. The idea that we in the past have had a very engaged clergy that understood that issues of liberty are central. We have to speak up. We have to have courage. And some bad ideas have come into the church, which is why folks like you are raised up by God to combat these bad ideas.

I agree with that. And until the truth is what liberty rides on the truth. The civil society is founded on the truth. And when truth begins to be eroded or evaporate, the society just begins to disintegrate. And that's what we've seen happening every day in America in recent years. years. So, you know, the other thing they can do is if they want to, if they want to come to this event, this is going to be a seminal event. And if they come, they'd like to come, they can also call me. I'll give out my cell phone number. 703, 986, 8096. And I'll make sure that they get, that pastors get a ticket. So you're giving out your cell phone number on the air on a national radio station. Okay, it's 703, 986, 809. Sorry, say it again. Six.

986. 8096. 703, 986. 0896. 896. 8.96. Please repeat it again from the beginning. 703.

703. 986. 8.6. 8.96. Okay, that is your cell phone number in case people want to reach you. Thrive time. Show.com is another way to reach you. This is July 8th, and then the whole Awaken America Tour is going to be on the 8th and 9th in Virginia, Beach, Virginia. I'm really sorry that I can't

go. I'm glad you're going to be there. And I just hope I thought, you know, if we have you on the program, that there are a number of pastors who may be able to go and be there at this event. We may have lost the connection with our brother, but it doesn't matter because the information, we've already gotten out the information. Folks, if you want to go, remember ThriveTime Show.com, you can click on that. It is the reawaken America tour, Virginia Beach, Virginia, July 8th and 9th. Man, I wish I could go. I'm going to see if I can go to this.

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uprooting a century of miseducation. The authors are in the studio. Pete Hegseth and David Goodwin. Welcome. Thank you, Eric. Now, I know both of you, sort of, but from different worlds. You're Mr. Fox and Friends on the weekends, or am I confusing you with another Pete Higgins? No, you're right. You're right. And we met in multiple iterations over the years.

Here and there, but the problem is when you see somebody on TV, you don't remember, did I actually meet them? Or did I just see them on YouTube or something like that? But David Goodwin, you are the head of the Association of Classical Christian Schools. Yes. I'm a devotee and fan of classical Christian education and of homeschooling, and I am thrilled to see you again, and thank you for writing a book, because we need to talk about this. So where do we start?

First of all, I think most people want to know, hey, how did Pete Hegseth meet David Goodwin? How did you come to write a book together? Well, I met David Goodwin. You mentioned Fox and Friends in happenstance through that. I was at a diner in rural North Carolina talking about the news of the day as we do on the morning show. And a family approached me, two cute little girls in uniforms, and a woman pulled me aside and said, you know, what do you know about classical Christian education? Because we were talking about it.

And we got to talk in, and she said, you got to meet this guy, David Goodwin. And she put us in touch. And I had kids that had been in classical Christian, so I was familiar with it. but I didn't understand the larger movement. And we just got to know each other, and he shared some early manuscripts that he was working on, of research that he had done.

And I kept reading it saying, this is amazing. Everybody's got to know this. This is the key right here. And over months and then years, we kind of joined forces and swapped notes, and then we decided to embark on a Fox Nation film called Miseducation of America, which is where, and then this book

also came out of that project as well. So it is a genuine partnership of two people coming at the same issue with passion, and David is the expert. He's the man. Well, I think, you know, as things unravel at the speed of light, people are waking up. And, you know, there's a famous scripture, Romans 828. You don't have to believe in the Bible. Just pretend Ben Franklin said it.

It says, all things work together for good for those that love the Lord and are called according to his purposes. In other words, even when things are in a nightmare where you have cultural Marxism being shoved down our throats and all that, the good news for us in America is that it's waking people up who otherwise would have remained asleep. They're thinking, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? You're teaching my kids, what? I had no idea. Because, you know, in 1975, when I was in fourth grade, it was not, you know. So this is good.

And then, of course, people want to know, all right, now what do we do? Now where do we send our kids? We know we're not sending them to those schools unless we get on the board and fix that. So, but I do love the idea that in this book, you tell us how we got here. So let's start. I mean, do we go to John Dewey? Do we go before John Dewey? How did we get to a point?

Or let me just say this. In America, we're free. So we say, we're going to educate our kids. We're going to have a one-room schoolhouse. I've got to plow the fields. My wife's got stuff to do. So we're going to hire a school teacher. And we're going to get them to teach the kids in the neighborhood.

And they're going to teach exactly what we want them to teach, obviously. They're the experts, but, you know, we're not going to let them teach things that we think are wrong. And that's, you know, how we got public education, quote, unquote. When did that go crazy and wrong? Well, certainly you mentioned some of the star players, John Dewey, early part of the 20th century. That was the epiphany I had, as I had. researched the book originally, was that this doesn't date back to the 1960s, which most of us think. That's when you see the manifestation of it. It dates to an earlier time, right? Between 1915 and

1930, when the progressives actually built the school system that we now know in America. Okay, and that is true of everything. Now, there's not just education. Like we think, oh, the 60s. Well, the 60s is when it bore fruit, but you can trace all of these things back. Most of the things that we know are wrong, which end up being anti-American and cultural Marxism, they did begin originally in that time, whether you're talking about progressivism in the Protestant churches or whatever. All of this stuff, the seeds were planted then by some key players. So tell us about that.

Well, what was really surprising to me was that I went to the library on this quest to find one particular quote on education in the New Republic in about 1915. and I thought it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. I mean, how many education articles are there in a political magazine around the turn of the century? It was unbelievable. They were writing about it every week.

And these are people who are dealing with unions and the protests of the time and the anarchists. I mean, they had everything in the magazine, but every week, John Dewey, or every two weeks, I think it published every two weeks, they had done. John Dewey or some other major educational character figuring, how are we going to change the educational system in America? And that's when I started to realize that there was more of a story here than just this single quote on the plasticity of the child. It's the long march to the institutions.

And, of course, you know, most people are too busy to pay attention to what's going on behind the scenes, to what the global elites of 1915 are planning for our children and grandchildren and so on and so forth. So what was, in other words, What was their fundamental issue? Now, if you say to John Dewey, what's your problem with American education? Now, this, why was he writing articles talking about this?

What was his beef with American? Well, the reveal in the book, I think the thing that Pete and I, Pete and I, this was really a collaboration, so he works probably post-1930, and I work pre-1930 in most of the book. But the reveal in the book is that it's not some indoctrination that they put into the schools. it was something they took out of the schools, which we call in the book the Western Christian Pidea,

or the way in which children are raised to... As a Greek, I know that it's pronounced Béviya. But no, seriously, that's fascinating. It was if you pull out God, if you pull out, you know, the Judeo-Christian, those Western ideas, it instantly devolves to cultural Marxism, French Revolution, whatever you want to call it. But they saw...

this was the enemy. They didn't want to invoke that revolution right away, though. They knew they couldn't. So as David puts it, it's like a precious artifact that's on a pressure plate. They knew if they're removing God, they had to replace it with the forgery in that moment. And what's stunning for patriots and conservatives today is what they replaced it with was with the flag and with the pledge. They replaced it with nationalism and patriotism. So God was subtly removed and they discussed this in the new republic openly. We have to get rid of God. That's the linchpin and the foundation of free thought and free thinking in America. But we can't, if we, parents and communities will revolt if we, so that's where Sunday school comes from in a theological

side. That's where pullout periods came from in public school. But they replaced it with a new pledge of allegiance that didn't say under God written by Francis Bellamy. This is, this is, I mean, this is where people have to just be really clear. Evil is extraordinarily subtle. There's, right? So most people say they pay them with a flag, well, that's good. Yes, it's not as good as God. And then the flag will be replaced with something else. Bingo. And we won't see it because sleight of hand, flag is good, I guess, right? So that is amazing. But what was the animus of folks like, do we against God in the West? Now, where did that come from that they were dedicated? to getting rid of Western values and principles. Well, Dewey was a primary signer on the humanist manifesto, as you probably know. And that sounds like an okay thing, right? Humanist manifesto.

But what it really was was an atheist manifesto. Of course. It was man is going to become the new God. And that is what they were set out to do. That was the mission that they set out for. And as Pete pointed out, they had to take it through the path of, well, let's make America the God for a while. And then Pete picks up in the book, and the destination that they ultimately ended at was the cultural Marxist Pidea.

Yeah, they moved from a progressive once they had opened the vacuum by removing God. And they were atheists. They were effectively atheists. And there was a belief that man was perfectible. And the human condition threw enough. And where did that idea come from, ye shall be as gods? Who said that again? Oscar Wilde.

Oh, no, Satan. Sorry, it was Satan. It's kind of amazing how you have reality. and then you have anything else. In other words, no matter how you go away from God's reality, it always ends up being the same lies over and over in different guises. But how fascinating that the idea of perfectibility of man, this utopianist impulse, you see it in the Tower of Babel,

you see it in the French Revolution, you see it now. It's over and over and over again. And one of the reasons I was excited to talk to you guys is to educate people that there's nothing new. There's God's reality and truth, and then there's however you try to get away from it, it always ends up being the same thing ultimately. So we've got plenty time to discuss this, folks. The book is Battle for the American Mind.

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Hey, welcome back, folks. We're talking about American education. Battle for the American Mind is the book, uprooting a century of miseducation. David Goodwin has written it with Pete Higgs. Now, David, you're the head of the Association of Class Education, the Association of Class classical Christian schools. So you're like a brainy guy. Pete is just like a talking head on Fox and Friends. We know he has nothing to say if it's not on a teleprompter. Pete, how did you get involved in this? I've always learned to join forces with people smarter than me. That's the key to

and he's humble, which makes me hate him even more. You went to Princeton. You went to Harvard Kennedy School of Government. What did you major in at Princeton? Politics. You did? I did. Political philosophy as sort of a degree. of that. But I'll tell you, I've learned in this project how much I didn't learn. I didn't learn any of this stuff. My kids are in classical Christian schools, and all I say every day is, why can't I go back to school and learn these things? Okay, you're singing my song. I have said this over and over in the last couple of decades. Like, I learned something. I wrote a book called, uh, called If You Can Keep at Franklin's famous line. And because of Oz Guinness, whose book I had read, I understood things. And all I could

think of as how did I not get this? I didn't get any of this. So you, obviously going to these elite schools, which like Yale, I mean, they don't teach you this stuff. They teach you John Dewey on steroids, I guess. And they teach you now the latest manifestations of the Frankfurt School and critical theory, which is now, we now see as critical race theory and we talk about every day. But it was just, it's just the water in which we swam. You know, I took social studies. Right? We all took social studies. Who invented social studies? Yeah, why is it not history? Why is it social studies? We can't get into that. We can't get into that. Don't talk about it. I didn't know where that all came from.

David had done the research and then I was able to lay it upon the environment in which we live right now and realize we all got a progressive education. Yeah. Almost everyone watching guaranteed got a progressive education that was started by atheist, advanced by Marxists, who had their own agenda and it all happened subtly. And a lot of us think we aren't infected, but we are. And so you have to dig under the ruins of what used to exist. And that's what David did in this project. This is the way education, our founders were educated, how free people and republics actually perpetuate themselves. Why don't we do that as opposed to what we're doing now?

I have to say, too, people need to understand that if you don't get this stuff, if you don't really understand this, you really can't combat it because you don't know. This is why I think so many people are cowards. I mean, so many Republicans are cowards. right. They don't really understand it, and they're kind of afraid of being questioned, so they just go, like, well, what do I need to say so that you don't come after me? I'll just say whatever you want me to say, because they don't really understand what is happening. And so what you're talking about, when you talk about John Dewey signing the atheist humanist manifesto, we need to understand there's a worldview. It is an atheistic worldview. It is at war with the biblical worldview, and we couldn't have a way. We're a way America without the biblical world view. You don't need to be a Christian to be an American, but you need to understand, historically speaking, you do not get American-style self-government without, you know, the Israel covenant of the Old Testament, whatever. It's just not, you know,

you can talk all day you want about, you know, the Iroquois system, and you can, people kind of throw this stuff out there, but it's historical fact, isn't it? I mean, you can't really argue with it, but you can ignore it. Well, you know, in the book we talk about the liberal arts and how they were originally developed by the Greeks to enable a republic or a democracy. And we, in this day and age, we think it's just a natural thing. One of the things Pete talks about in the book is his time, you know, Pete's a veteran, and he talks about his time in Afghanistan and the differences that you see in the Pidea of the different parts of the world.

And we're taking for granted this critical thing, this liberal art tradition. where people are trained to think for themselves and be independently minded. That's the key. And let's be honest. Okay, we're talking about freedom, right? And so if you're teaching somebody to think for themselves, it means you have an innate assumption that you can trust people to find this thing called truth if they're honest. But if you don't believe that, then you have to do propaganda.

Or you're exactly right about that. Or you make an excuse, which is, well, we're entering an industrialized economy now. Not everyone needs those skills. So we'll have an elite few who think about things like philosophy, but the rest of you really just need to learn a hard skill. And we see that still today in the idea of STEM education. STEM's fine, but that becomes the focus as opposed to an understanding. It's one step away from metal shop.

Okay. No, but I mean, that's kind of how I see it. It's like you can learn to think or you can get a trade. And if the trade is science, it's like more of a highfalutin trade, but it's still, you need to be taught. how to think. Everyone does. Correct. So it's a wise welder as opposed to a woke

welder, which you have now. I mean, everyone deserves the ability to think critically. And as David points out, that was a no more useful thing for a farmer or a blacksmith in the founding generation that it is today for someone else. But if freedom of a republic is what's at stake and the ability to think

through the propaganda, they don't, they want more people educated that way as opposed to liberate it. I'm just so glad you wrote this book, Battle for the American Mind. Do you, so where do you start in the book? What is it? What is it? Well, we start with the problem identification. I mean, people meet, we start with the COVID-16-19 moment. So here we are in Zoom classrooms and you're watching what your kids are learning. And suddenly the 1619 project in CRT and gender obfuscation is right there in front of you. How did this happen? And meet people where they're at and then start to walk backwards of both here's precisely how.

it happened. Okay. And again, we've got to remind people, what a blessing, the nightmare of COVID turned out to be, because if it hadn't been for that nightmare and the overreach of the radical left, most parents would never have known. Decades pass, and you don't know. Suddenly, millions of parents woke up and said, whoa, wait a minute, hold on. All right, we'll be right back. Talking to the authors of Battle for the American Mind, Pete Hegseth and David Goodwin. Hey there, folks. Eric Metaxis here. As you know, our friend, and he's a real friend, Mike Lindell, has a passion to help everyone get the best sleep of their life. But he didn't stop by simply creating the best pillow. Now Mike has done it again by introducing his my slippers. My slippers. They're unbelievable. I know all about them. But I got to tell you, for a limited time, you will save $90 on each pair of my slippers. They're expensive. You can save $90. This blowout sale of the year won't last. order now. He's taken over two years to develop them. The my slippers are designed to wear indoors and out all day long made with My Pillow Foam and Impact Gel to help prevent fatigue. Made with

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what the destination would be per se. They just knew where the destination was away from. So it was always progress away from the Western Christian Pidea, the biblical roots of our and free-thinking roots of the nexus of Athens in Jerusalem. They wanted to move away from that. That was progress. So you say conspiracy, that's not a wrong term. No. We use plot or heist because they passed it off to the next group of radical thinkers who carried the ball down the field based on how much God and other basic values have been stripped away. So enter the Frankfurt School, enter critical theory, which where did it land? A hundred blocks from here at Columbia University at the Teachers College. And these are Marxists who fled Hitler while our boys are fighting

over in Europe in World War II, and they are greeted with open arms with their radical views soon to infuse into the teachers college. And within a couple of decades, one-third of teachers in America at elite schools had been taught by the critical theorists of the Frankfurt School. So how do you get critical race theory in your Zoom classroom, it is in the curriculum and the pedagogy of how the entire educational industrial complex works. And when you unravel it all, it goes back to those early efforts in each step at which we lay out, you know, the unions, which used to be conservative teacher associations that handed out scripture to teachers to use in the classroom, captured by the unions. Well, then the unions create the Department of Education and it gave

away to Jimmy Carter. And at each step, as you said, conservatives and patriots, we were busy winning world wars and fighting enemies and trying to keep the free market. And the classroom and the social change side, we let the left. Well, that's all, but that's always the case, right? You get, and this is why conservatives who only are all about the free market, I want to say, you're idiots, because you won't have a free market if you don't address this other stuff. Like if you make a god of the free market, you might as well worship the devil now because

it's all going to go away. And they did take their, Christians and conservatives took their eyes off of these very, various balls. And over the decades, I mean, it's fascinating to me because, you know, when we talk about people like Dewey, these are crusaders, and we can demonize them, but we can also give them credit in the sense that they actually believed in this stuff, and they were doing what they thought was right, but they were wise about it. And they took their time. And over time, as, you know, you're saying these ideas that are fundamentally un-American, fundamentally unbiblical. All of these ideas slowly made their way in so that now we live in a world where he's

said, well, how did this happen? Like it happened overnight. We're teaching critical race theory and we're teaching transgender madness and whatever. How did this happen? Well, it didn't happen overnight. Not even close. Not even close. And that's why we're here to first break down the common assumption that it was the 60s.

I came into this project with that. David, when he first research, did, when you realize it's a lot longer project than that, our prayer for this book is that it is, what it does is the first step to recovery is identifying the depth of your problem. And so we've got parents so courageously protesting at school boards. And that's great.

But that's like charging a fortified machine gun nest with Nerf guns. Whoa. You know, we salute your efforts, but we're going to bury you all. And my mom did the same thing in the 80s and 90s at my public elementary school. She protested a new values-free curriculum. I don't even know what it is, but it's the precursor to Common Core

and the precursor to social-immorcial learning. I didn't have it, and some parents stood up. She pulled me out, but guess what happened? Forsyke Elementary School kept teaching it. Nothing changed. Nothing changed. So we advocate for in the book a retreat and an insurgency of Christians to say we need our own schools

that uncover this hidden form of education, classical Christian, so that we can take back the culture, because hoping we're going to change your school board, it's polishing the brass on the Titanic. Wow. Well, I mean, I think we need to do everything, but I think that there are people, the numbers of people pulling their kids out of public schools, or even, let's face it, there are a lot of, quote, unquote, Christian schools or quote unquote Catholic schools that are themselves half woke or half blind to this. They're certainly not on the good side. But I think parents are waking up. I think the homeschool numbers are explosive. around the country. People are saying, like, there's no way I could do a worse job than they're doing to my kids. At least I won't teach my kids Marxism. Let's talk a minute about Marxism, right? Because I think, you know, I was always raised.

It was an economic thing, right? It's like the haves, the have-nots. But now we realize that it's a philosophy that basically divides people one way or the other. However, we can divide people and create resentment. And so now it's cultural Marxism. Now it says if I'm transgender or I'm lesbian or I'm a woman or I'm whatever group I can identify with, that can say we're oppressed and we're against our oppressors. So the names and categories have been changed.

But it's the same context, and it was brought in by the Frankfurt School. You mentioned Gramsci, Marcuse. These people in the 40s, whenever that was, they brought Marxist philosophy, which is atheist philosophy. It's not neutral. It's seriously atheist philosophy. They brought it in to the universities. And William F. Buckley, when he was,

at Yale in the late 40s. He saw this. Now imagine in the late 40s, he writes a book called God and Man at Yale, uncovering all this stuff. That was the late 40s. So by the time I was there in the 80s, political correctness had already swamped the campus or whatever. Now, of course, it's pure madness. But it's amazing to me that, you know, we're not teaching the evils of cultural Marxism. Most people don't know what the Frankfurt School is. Most people don't even know how to react because they don't know they still don't know what's happening you know one of the things that pete and i were both surprised at is that you know i did my kernel of research in the early part of this and of course i know classical christian education pete did most of the work in the 20th century

and the puzzle pieces fit together like they were hand in glove to mix metaphors a bit but it was unbelievable um dewey's at columbia until about 1930 the um frankfort school shows up in about 34 35 you see this develop, you see the cultural revolution, talk about cultural Marxism in Maoist China in the late 1960s, where he realizes that you cannot make economic Marxism work without cultural revolution. And it just, the whole thing flows together. I think what the book does is provide a sweeping narrative of the 20th century to show us how we got where we are. And then, of course, it prescribes a solution. We try to simplify it.

You know, it goes from Western Christian Paidea to the American progressive. Pidea, which lasts all the way up to basically 9-11. So think of the collective response we were able to have at 9-11, even with a progressive Pidea. Yes. Now we're about to have a culturally Marxist Pidea. What in the world could we respond to internally and extra? We're going to go to another break.

We've got plenty more. Don't go away. Hey there, folks. I'm bursting in from my vacation because I'm so angry at a certain injustice that I learned about yesterday. I'm not kidding. As you know, we're talking today. We're talking to Pete Hague, Seth, talking about.

important classical education. In hour two, we got more with Pete Hagseth and we have Andrew Giuliani. I recorded some extra stuff with him. By the grace of God, he will be the next governor in New York. So there's hope. But I want to say there are ugly things happening. Yesterday, some of you know about this, Walmart. Walmart canceled Mike Lindell and Mike Pillow. What does it mean? Perhaps Walmart that Mike makes his products in America and they want everything that they sell to be from China. Maybe that's what it is. Or maybe they're just political cowards. Maybe they don't know that most of the people who shop in their stores love America, love Mike Lindell, love people who make their products in America. So I was so upset by this. I said, I want to get on the

air today, even though I'm supposed to have this day off. But no, I said, that I've got to tell my audience, please support Mike Lindell today. You can support this program as well by using the code Eric, but Mike Lindell has posted a bunch of crazy discounts today to encourage people. Because let me tell you, this is a huge hit for somebody like Mike Lindell. And if we don't stand up for him, this is, you know, whether my show was a sponsor of his or not, this is really important as Americans that we stand with those. who are doing their best.

We stand with those who are speaking the truth when everybody is being told, shut up, don't talk about this, don't talk about that. So I'm asking you today, please, it's Friday, June 17th. Please go to mypillow.com. Use the code, Eric. There are some tremendous values today in particular because of what happened yesterday with Walmart. I think you can get pillows for like 1999 or 1998 or 1998 or something like that. You can get a whole pillow.

But this is important. We've talked about the quality of what's there. Okay, the towels are spectacular. I don't make that up. Albert and I have talked about this. Like it's really great quality stuff, the sheets, everything. If you use the code Eric, you get a very big discount. If you go to the radio listener specials, I think you get a huge discount on some things.

But the point is when someone as gigantic as Walmart and shit, Shame on them. Shame on them. When they do something like this to an American hero like Mike Lindell, who basically is, you know, he's in there for all of us. He's doing all of this, you know, because he cares about this country. He loves this country. We need to stand with him. So, you know, for one thing, I would say, try not to shop in Walmart if you can help it. But the most important thing is to stand with Mike today. Purchase his product at mypillow.com. Please use the code, Eric. Please tell your friends use the code Eric to help support this program. And of course, if you go to my store.com, at my store.com, you can get most of my books. You can get the glorious Bonhofer posters. They are beautiful. But I just say this over and over. When somebody gets canceled, we need to stand with them. Even if we don't agree with them on everything, stand with those who are canceled. Stand with them. Show your solidarity. It's not right in this country that we would do that. And corporate behemoths, like Walmart, they are at the top of the heap of the despicable. They are despicable because they're doing this

for craven cowardly political reasons. So we need to stand with those who are standing. So go to my store.com, my pillow.com. Please use the code, Eric, today. Please do it today to send a message. And please tell your friends. This is important. Albin, any final thoughts? Well, you know, he has such great quality products too. And they're at a discount now. You've got to use the code, Eric. You've got to go to MyPillow, MyStore.com and do it today this weekend. Please. Please, folks, please do it today. I wasn't going to get on the air today. But this, when I found out about this, I cannot believe this is happening. Please do your part. God bless you. Thank you.