The Eric Metaxas Show - Peter Wood

Episode Date: December 10, 2021

Peter Wood stops by the studio to expand on the ideas found in several articles and books, including why America has become "One Angry Nation."

to the Eric McTaxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Holy cow, I'm back in the studio. I know. I'm back. Yay! Can I tell you, I, oh my gosh, I still am suffering from lingering COVID fatigue and brain fog. Yeah. And so traveling, I've been traveling.

I was in San Diego. Yeah. I was in Phoenix. I was in Billings, Montana. And oh my gosh, if you think like traveling is difficult normally, try it. when you're extremely whacked out. Yeah, and then add jet lag in on all that. Well, people talk about jet lag.

Jet lag is when you're, you know, traveling time zones. And I don't think traveling to Texas qualifies or traveling to Phoenix. But anyway, the point is, I'm tired. But I'm glad to be back, very glad to be back in the studio, in our beautiful New York studio. Yeah, TBN. We've got three studios, and this is the only one that we like. So it's the only one we use. It's beautiful TBN studio.

Okay, we got a lot to talk about here. We do. Number one, my guest coming up is an old friend. He is hard to sum up. I can say this now because he's not here yet in the studio. He's a super genius. That will become clear when he starts talking. His name is Peter Wood.

I knew him. He was at the King's College here in New York City some years ago. He's written a book. And I read an article. that he wrote, it was published at American Greatness. Now, a lot of people probably don't know about that, but they should. John Zmirak has raved about American greatness. If you're looking for a place like stream.org that is going to give you some really extraordinary material in writing and perspective, American greatness. So we're going to talk to him about that. But when I read that piece, I just said, we have got to get him on. Little did I dream he'd come into the studio. I know. But he's coming in. So in a couple minutes, Peter Wood, hold on to your head. You described them as a genius. You used to describe me as a genius until I started working with you.

Well, if you work for me, I'm not allowed to do that. Legally, there's a lot of regulations and stuff. But, you know, behind the scenes, I can do it. I can do it. Peter Wood. So I was in Billings, Montana a couple days ago. And it was the most bizarre thing. I think I said this when I was in Billings.

But, like, I had come from San Diego. I spoke in a church in San Diego last. Sunday and you don't know how to dress like you're in San Diego you're like you could you you could throw a stone and hit Mexico right yeah then I flew to Phoenix and it was the same kind of deal and when I got to Billings I thought wait a minute I forgot it's winter now and it was snow everywhere yeah anyway it was and I and I didn't pack a coat because I'm just a little absent minded but anyway I'm back next week I go to Florida briefly

because Tucker Carlson is having me down there to they have a I mean he has a Fox Nation show that he does it's an in-depth show so I'm flying down there but only that's where his studio is so I'm excited about that yeah but folks you know what we we don't want to there's there's three things that I'm going to forget to mention oh and Dinesh D'Souza is having me on his podcast so I'm talking about about is atheism dead? Most of you, if you listen to the program, you know that's my new book. I've been speaking about it wherever I go, obviously, and I am astonished at the response I've been getting, because I guess it follows. It's like my response when I was writing it.

I thought, how is it that we don't know this stuff? It's almost, it's like an amazing bunch of discoveries, and then you think, why isn't this making the headlines? Well, I saw you on newsmax talking about Christmas, and, you know, and bringing all that in. And saying that I felt like I wanted to punch my neighbor. Yeah, it's about the wreath on the door. Oh, my. Can you, I'll never forget there for the rest of my life.

Yeah. Yeah, he was so New York woke. Yeah. Well, I should reprise this. If you go to, if you get my newsletter, which is go to Ericmettax.com, sign up for the newsletter. Today, you'll get the link to the Newsmax thing. I was on Newsmax the other day talking about the quote unquote war on Christmas.

And part of it, I said, just to show you how insane people are, I mean, I will never forget this. We were in our old apartment, and we had just moved in. And the neighbor, this is like some Italian guy, right? So I'm like, you know, New York guy, lovely wife, lovely daughter. He's putting up a Christmas wreath on the door. And he asked me, he says, like, is this okay? Like, does this offend you?

And I just wanted to faint, cry, whack him. Like, you know, like, you just think, like, how do I respond? It's like somebody says, hi, Hitler. They say something so insane that you look around to think, I'm on a candid camera, but he was totally sincere. He was worried that maybe I was offended by his Christmas wreath. And I thought,

you know what the problem of America is? You. Like, the idea that this guy even thought that he, anyway. Take it down and put up a Santa Claus right now. I mean, put up a sign that says, Jesus is Lord. There's no way to heaven but Jesus. Like, do whatever you want. Right. But anyway. Okay. Okay. You can just tell them all hopped up.

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If you need me, let me. Hey there, folks. Welcome back. You remember moments ago I said on this program I would have Peter Wood as my guest promises made. Promise is kept. Peter Wood, welcome the program. So good to be here. Listen, we've known each other for some time.

I knew you when you were the provost of the King's College here in New York. City. You've written many books. You are currently, I always want to know how to describe people, because if I know people, my tendency to each just to say, my friend Peter, but you are an anthropologist. You are the current president of the National Association of Scholars. What is that before we leap into your brand new book, which I'm so excited about. But what is that, the organization? It's a membership organization that was started in the mid-1980s by basically liberal academics who were concerned that the radicals were taking over and they wanted to fight back. They created a group to do that.

They failed entirely. And I helped pick up the pieces about 12 years ago. What radicals did they fail were taking over, fear were taking over? Well, they had opened the door to Marxists and other people on the far left in the spirit. You see, you have to clarify. When you say liberals, you mean classical liberals. who believe in the basics were afraid that Marxist maniacs were taking over. Exactly.

Okay. But isn't it interesting because, you know, somebody you've been in the academy for many years, isn't it fascinating how clear the divisions have become? That, you know, there used to be liberals. And now most people that are classical liberals on a host of issues stand where we do as conservatives. It's fascinating. They've been redefined into conservatism, even if they didn't want to be. That's right.

And the National Association of Scholars is kind of their headquarters for the go. Well, how terrific. I'm glad to think that you're the head of it. Now, you've been writing, you've written a lot. You wrote a book a year ago called 1620, a critical response to the 1619 project. I'd love to talk to you about that. But the new book is called Rath. America enraged.

There's a wonderful article that I guess is excerpted from it that I found in the American, at American greatness. And that's how I learned that you had written this book. So what is the thesis of this book whose title is wrath, America enraged? The thesis is that the 2020 election has infuriated lots of Americans, not all of them consider themselves conservative, but many do. They believed that there was significant mischief in the way that... Whoa, whoa, we can't talk about that on the program. We can get ripped right off of YouTube. Edit that out. Okay, please continue. They believe that there was mischief in the election.

What a sweet word, though. I'm laughing because you're sort of in this puckish way, you're saying mischief in the election. Yes, it's called punching Lady Liberty in the head. It's called, I mean, honestly, if there was mischief, it's worse than mischief, isn't it? Some would say so. And I'd be among them. But I'm just saying, but even the idea of it is so scandalous and so horrifying that the only response is to be scandalized and horrified. But we're living in a culture where,

People say, well, we've covered that. There's no evidence. Shut up. Move on. Science has already, history has decided. And you are at least acknowledging that, well, many scores of millions of Americans are not convinced that that election was. Completely on the up and up.

Yeah. And the idea that maybe we have to be. be careful about how we talk about it or whether we talk about it. That alone, and I just say this over and over again, but that alone is so scandalous to me that in America, people would suggest, hey, you can't talk about that. But that's part of where you're coming from with the thesis of your book, Wrath. The other piece of it was the riot on Capitol Hill on January 6th, which was immediately classified as an insurrection. Was Nancy Pelosi killed, by the way? Or Pence.

Wasn't one of them killed? I'm pretty sure because the hubbub was so big. Surely some senators and congresspeople were murdered, right? Right. Well, the insurrectionists accidentally left all their weapons behind and also left their tactics behind, and many of them wandered around taking selfies, and it didn't turn out very well as far as insurrections.

That's trouble. People taking selfies in America? Gosh, it's scandalous. Okay, so you write about this, if people want to read the article, it's an American greatness, and it is really a spectacular article. But the book, you deal with the larger issue of, I guess, the response to January 6th and the response to the election. Yes, I'm writing for the American public that despite all the declarations that to talk about these things is self-seditious or, It is to participate in the big lie, that there is nonetheless something that happened that leaves tens of millions of Americans feeling that their form of representative government has been taken away from them, that they've suffered an injury in the form of no longer being in a country that respects the consent of the governed, but instead is imposing all sorts of rules and other kinds of dictates on.

how they must lead their lives. This does not go down well, and it has angered people. I'm engaging in a certain amount of rhetorical inflation, because I think the kind of anger that they are feeling is better captured in that word wrath, which is a more intense form of anger, and it's where anger goes when it has been denied any legitimate form of ordinary expression.

If we can't dissent publicly without being declared by the, Attorney General of the United States that your domestic terrorists, your anger backs up and it becomes like that water behind the Johnstown Dam before it finally brought. I forget the name of the current Attorney General. Merit Garland. Oh, Merritt Garland. Now, was he murdered on January 6th? No, he was not. Fascinating.

Fewer and fewer people were murdered by the insurrectionists than I had previously been led to believe. Okay, so what has happened? now, I revert to severe sarcasm because it's so painful to me to live in a world where educated, formerly intelligent people are saying things like what Merrick Garland said. Do you suppose, is it a combination of ignorance, insensitivity to the political climate, or is it conscious Marxism of a kind where people are just saying we are going to say and do what we want to do because we have the power to do it? What is your sense? Because some of it is just so outrageous that it's almost impossible for me to respond.

I don't know how to respond anymore. Well, I think certainly some of it is this bold-faced effrontery where people are knowingly saying things that are untrue with the audience. idea that they have the ability to force them into our lives, to force compliance with falsehoods. So to that extent, there's a large amount of cynicism involved. But the world's a complex place. Some people actually believe their lives. They are capable of convincing themselves that this is for a greater good. I think that the manipulations around the 2020 election were of that kind. People knew when they were stuffing ballot boxes that that was wrong,

but they thought that re-electing Trump was wronger, and therefore it was okay to do that. I can't even believe that a guest on this program would suggest that people knowingly stuffed ballot boxes. I'm scandalized at the very idea. Peter Wood, keep scandalizing me. This is extremely important. And again, the idea that people are, I mean, I want to get to the thesis of your book because you talk about this issue of, you know, when is wrath justified? When is anger justified? When is it?

And I think that that's what you write about, this idea that both sides feel like we're throwing the rules out because things are this bad. And so you just said it. Some people just thought, Trump is obviously Hitler 2.0. It's obvious. Just read Eric's Bonhofer book. And it's very clear. Trump is Hitler 2.0, and we must do anything, things we never would have thought about doing in the past. We must do it to make sure that he's not elected because if he's elected, that's the end of democracy. There are tons of people that really do believe this. Oh, yes, and I know quite a few of them. I live in New York City. I spend a lot of time in Vermont, and I have friends who are absolutely convinced that Trump was Hitler 2.0. So I guess my question is, you know, having written a book on Hitler 1.0, I understand where they're coming from.

I understand why they think this. But then I also understand why they're wrong. In other words, it's one thing to say, I get that, I get that, I get that. But it doesn't add up. Believe me, it doesn't add up. I want to talk to you about that when we come back, because it's important to understand why people with whom we disagree think the way They do. The book is wrath. America enraged by Peter W. Wood will be right back. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis, and they have no clue how to fix it. Oil prices have skyrocketed. And when oil prices go up, the cost of transportation and shipping spikes, leading the prices of goods to rise. And when we're already seeing record inflation, that's the last thing we need. Our economy is in trouble, and you need to take steps to protect yourself. If all your money is tied up in stocks, and traditional markets, you are vulnerable. Gold is one of the best ways to protect your retirement. No matter what happens, you own your gold.

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You wrote a book in 2007 called A Be in the Mouth. Great title, great cover. I remember the book. where you talk about this issue, where you're concerned about this issue of rage on both sides of political aisle, but you're coming at it from a different place now these years later. When I wrote a be in the mouth, my concern was that we had licensed ourselves to get too angry too often without sufficient resources to pull ourselves back from it. So the book was largely a counsel against this,

that America is not going to end up in a very good place if we continue to idolize anger. What's changed from 2007 to now is that I think that while we are reaping some of the whirlwind of having licensed anger to be where it is, I myself have been angered as well, and I am embracing it. And in this case, I think that there is a justified anger against those who would submit. convert our system of government, our free republic, and that nothing less than wrath is going to help us recover our genuine constitutional independence. Well, I think it should be said that, you know, in 1776, 75, we took up arms against tyranny. There are times when you make this calculation, what do we do?

options. In my book on Bonhoeffer, I talk about how Bonhofer, a profound Christian, got involved in the plot to kill Hitler. And so I think that where it's tricky is when you don't think it through. And when you just think it's time to be angry, it's time to, you know, start swinging at people. Clearly, that's wrong. But if your government does to you, what? what the current administration is doing to many Americans, you do begin to wonder where does this go, because it is offensive to me as an American, not just as a person, as a Christian, but as an American, we have managed to live with our differences and deal with our differences reasonably, legally, mostly. When we haven't dealt with them correctly, we've tried to redress those wrongs.

We're living through a strange period. So I think that what your book addresses, and again the book is wrath, America enraged, is what happens when the government overreaches as dramatically as it is currently overreaching? Well, I think one thing that the government is currently doing in several forms is trying to provoke the irascible right to actually take up arms and begin firing bullets. And there are certainly people on the right who are considering that as a possibility. My book is not a council of let's redo the American Revolution with muskets or the AR-15s or something. It is instead, let's do what we can to prevent that from happening,

because if we do take up arms, as President Biden has informed us, he has the big weapons, including the nuclear weapons, which he says he might have to use to stop those deplorable people from active. up. Well, I don't want to give them that. I think that there is an attempt here to bait people into imprudent action, and part of what I want to accomplish in wrath is saying, yes, you are right to feel extremely angry about what's happened, but we need to find ways to channel that wrath into forms of action, which will constructively give us back our government. Well, even the idea that our government, I say our government, in quotes, that it's not my government.

I don't know what it is anymore because if we the people aren't the government, there's no government in America. But the idea that Biden and company would be trying to bait Americans in, it's like a sting operation, into acting imprudently, is itself utterly despicable, monstrous, beyond. my comprehension, basically, the idea that that could be happening in America is a staggering thing. And the January 6th story is a big part of that. Maybe we'll get into that. But I think what it, thanks to folks like you, what it will have indeed is the opposite effect. In other words, I think it's going to drive people to extreme prudence. In other words, I think that there are people now doing things that they never would have done because they are so scandalized.

And so when you say in the book that you're hoping to lead people to take prudent action against this, not imprudent action, what are some of the things that you're suggesting people might do or, in fact, are already doing? Well, the public, bless the public, has already anticipated this. Even before the book came out, we were seeing things like parents showing up at school board meetings, well informed about the curricula, well informed about the attitudes of the teachers who were presenting that curriculum, and well informed about the misrepresentation that elected members of school boards were giving to the public. So demanding accountability and putting forward in a clear fashion what's actually happening in the schools is a perfect example of how this anger can be channeled to constructive places. Yeah, we're going to go to break here.

I just find it funny in a way. I mean, it's, you know, it's Torah, Torah, Torah. We have awakened a sleeping giant called We the People. You oughtn't to have gone and done that because now you're in big trouble. We'll be right back talking to Peter Wood, the author of Rath, America Enraged. Folks, I'm talking to the author of Rath, W-R-A-T-H. Rath, America Enraged Peter W. Peter, I just have to ask you, where did you grow up?

Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Never heard of it. Not ringing any bills. Pittsburgh, that's where Albin, our producer, my co-host here, is from. And when you were growing up, did you grow up in a conservative home and a Christian home? How were you raised? I grew up in a Christian home.

My father was a Republican councilman in the local town council. So I guess I was somewhere on the conservative side. but we didn't spend a lot of time talking about politics. What about God? Were you raised as a serious Christian, or did that come later in life? How did that happen? I was raised as a pretty serious Christian, but I got more serious as years went on.

And when did you know that you wanted to enter the academy, so to speak? When I was in college, I fell in love with anthropology, and I kind of idolized my anthropology instructors. So I thought that was going to be a great thing to do with my life. I was sadly mistaken, but where did you go to school and what did you you know, I'm just, I'm always curious how people get to

where they are. I went to Haverford College, a Quaker College outside Philadelphia, and I went to graduate school at University of Rochester. And, you know, those were heady times for me. I loved

being in school. I loved learning. And my life has never really deviated much from that course. I went on to become a professor of anthropology, then a college administrator. And after all that, I bailed out and became the head of a dissident organization. Which is the National Association of Scholars. A dissident organization. Very scary. Okay, so, now, by the way, people want to find you.

Is their website? The n-as.org is the place to go. NAS.org or the NAS? No, n-s. dot org. Okay. So let's go back. You wrote a book, I can't believe, is it really 2007, a B in the mouth came out? It seems like, that's 10,000 years ago. How did that happen? I really, I would have thought it was literally five or six years ago, honestly. That's crazy. But anyway, you like me at that time and like our friends, Oz Guinness and others, are talking about

civility. Now, there's no question that civility is important. But you and I, I've come to see that, in a sense, those things did break down. And so to continue to call for civility, I mean, if people are pulling guns on you, debate tactics really aren't what you need to be discussing. You need to be discussing, what do I do now? Do I run? Do I surrender? Do I get a gun?

What do I do? So it seems to me that the larger thesis that leads to the writing of the book, Wrath, is that things have changed and we have to figure out where do we go now. Yes, we're no longer living in the world in which it was reasonably possible to think that we could pull ourselves back from anger, entertainment, as the surrounding cultural milieu. And even then, I was a bit pessimistic about what could be done because people had become so addicted to the thrill of anger. and the sport of anger and the self-angrandization. No, wait, wait.

When you say, I mean, in 2007, what would just have to remember, where was the culture that you saw evidence of that kind of thing? Well, let me take yet a step further back. A few years before I wrote A Bee in the mouth, I written a book titled Diversity, the invention of the concept, and it was an anthropological book that looked back over where this idea of diversity had come from, being a lot more recent than people thought. The term and its current meaning didn't really appear on the scene until 1978. But as I wrote that book and went around interviewing people, I kept encountering an odd thing,

which was lots of people who were expressively angry, willing to give opinions in a fashion that indicated that they were full of rage. And yet, as I spoke to them, there was no rage there. It was a kind of pretend-angery. anger, one that took the form of a voluble kind of expression, but not backed by anything that looked like genuine emotion. And I thought that was very puzzling. Why is it that people would want to play act anger in their daily lives? And for that matter, dress in a fashion that suggested anger or drive cars that looked angry, there was a willingness to play around with the tropes of anger, the images of anger that had entered into popular culture. And I just then began to recognize it.

And I thought, well, this is a subject which deserves more attention. So I started trying to read up on it. There really wasn't very much. There were some psychologists who tried to deal with the history of anger. That clicked in for me. As an anthropologist, I know that cultures are not static. They change. And there seemed to have been a really,

big change in American culture from a long epic in which Americans taught themselves that among the highest virtues was self-control and that giving vent to anger was not only a danger to people around you that you cared about, but a diminishment of your own stature, that the better way to lead your life was to be in control of those emotions that could lead you into a bad place. high up on the list of the exemplars of that kind of self-control was none other than George Washington. Known to his contemporaries to be a man of terrific temper, he could really let loose. But he also captured himself at a fairly early age and taught himself this sort of steely self-control.

It was his ability to control his own emotions in the midst of a lot of provocation that turned him into the national leader that he became. That degree of self-control was a model that Americans took very seriously for a long, long time. When does this begin to break down? Well, roughly after the end of World War II, Americans begin to discover new reasons why maybe we should allow more anger into our lives. High up on the list was the discovery of Freudian psychoanalysis, which claimed that if you hold back your anger, it's going to come back to you. Back to you as neuroses. I have to say this is really absolutely fascinating. I'm not easily fascinated.

I'm really fascinated by this because I realize I'm talking to a genuine thinker. We'll be right back. Actually, we're going to go. We're going to do an Ask Metaxus segment. And then we'll be back with more from Peter Wood. The book is Rath, America, and Rage will continue the conversation. Hey, folks, I've got to tell you a secret about relief factor that the father, son, owners, Pete and Seth Talbot have never made a big deal about,

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So you don't want to, that's not a good option. you want to do something good. There are many things you can do. One thing I hope you will do, one thing I hope you'll do today now is give to CSI. We don't care what you give. That's between you and God. But I want to be very blunt and say that when something is horrible as actual slavery exists, the idea that somebody says to you, hey, there's something good you can do about it.

That should excite you. there's a lot of horrible stuff going on in the world. There's very little we can do, except obviously pray, which is not insignificant. But God doesn't want us just to pray if we can do other things besides pray. He wants us to pray and do those other things. One of them is to give to CSI Christian Solidarity International. They are on the ground in places like South Sudan, where they are freeing people, people no different than you or me, who have been enslaved, usually by radical Muslims who believe that enslaving Christians is okay. So we're here to say it's not okay and we're going to put our money where our mouths are.

So we're asking you today to go to metaxis talk.com. Everybody has to do this. If you listen to this program, I'm just, I'm just here to. to tell you you have to do this. So you might as well just do it right now. Go to metaxis talk.com and you'll see the banner and you'll see the options for giving. Albin, let's give the phone number out because there are people that are going to call right now. What is that? Yep. Yep. The phone number is 888-88-253-3522. This is the greatest thing, folks, to actually have a slave freed in time for them to celebrate this Christmas with their family and their church at home.

This is an incredible opportunity. I don't even, I mean, again, it sounds like we're making this up. Folks, if you go, I mean, if you're listening to this program, you've heard some of the details. But I just want to say, this is real. We can do something about it. CSI comes to us because they know that we have an audience that understands this. The idea that people are being persecuted for their Christian faith to the extent of enslavement, to the extent of rape, to the extent of all this abuse, this is real.

But the good news is you can do something about it. And I know you will right now. I'm going to give the phone number out again. 888-253-3522. 8-88-253-3522. We need you to do this. 888-253-3522. Now...

And keep in mind, it's only two. $250 to free a slave, but any portion that you can give goes towards freeing a person from slavery. Okay. Let's not forget, we have an offer out there. I say this all the time because there are people who will take me up on it. Anyone who can give $2,500 that will free 10 human beings from slavery, we've talked about this. I have three hats given to me by Donald Trump and a pen given to me by Donald Trump. I will sign the hats to whomever.

You talk about a Christmas gift to be able to give a Make America Great Again hat to somebody. Sign to them. I will sign it with a pen given to me by Trump. It's a special Trump pen that he uses for this stuff. Folks, this is an amazing opportunity for a crazy Christmas gift. And guess what? You'll be freeing 10 human beings from slavery. A lot of you can afford to do that.

It's more important than whatever you were going to get, a jet ski or something that was going to rot in the garage. I think you can do this. 888-253-3522. 888-253-352 or go to metaxistakus talk.com. We need your help today. Thank you.