The Eric Metaxas Show - Phil Robertson (Encore)

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty joins to discuss his new book "I Could Be Wrong, But I Doubt It".  

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There was something about that man. His boldness for God, his boldness for truth, he's a hero. He's a hero, a rare, a rare figure. And what got me excited about the Robertsons, which is to say the Duck Dynasty gang, was when they started out, I don't know, is it 10 years ago, 15, 15 years ago? It's got to be 15 years ago because my Bonhofer book had just come out. That's 2010. And somebody told me that, have you seen this Duck Dynasty program?

No, of course not. I didn't watch reality TV. I don't watch reality TV. No, I did not. But they asked me, have you seen the duck? I said, no. And it's like, they pray in the name of Jesus. I thought, what?

On A&E. And this is like happening. This is something I have. prayed for for decades, that we would infiltrate the culture, and that sounds so, you know, subversive, that we would bring Jesus into the middle of culture, and they were doing it. The Duck Dynasty show was doing it. I said, this is an answer of prayer. This is the beginning of great things in America. And then somebody said to me, did you see that Duck Dynasty gang? They're like in Hawaii or something like that. And one of them is reading your Bonhofer book out by the pool.

I said, what? Yeah. Yeah, they showed it on the show that one of them was reading your, it was Corey Robertson, who of course I know she's a friend now all these years later, but Willie and Corey were there. So she was reading my Bonhofer book out by the pool. And so slowly I got on their radar and we've all become friends. And these people are just a real deal. I mentioned in the first hour, I had the high privilege of. going duck hunting with Uncle Si and with Phil and I dragged my daughter along.

I mean, what an experience. It was an amazing experience. Also, when we did our Christmas special on TBN, which was a crazy, if you haven't seen that, oh my gosh, you're kind of in for something. You're kind of be shocked. It was like a retro comedy variety. Christmas special that I did about five years ago. And I had an insane idea for that. I wanted to do a sketch with the Robertsons with Phil and Miss Kay. And I invented a character. I said, I want to be

part of this Robertson clan. So I'm going to invent a character. I'm going to be that character. And I created a character who was kind of like an adopted, an adopted son of the family. And his name was Gully. and I played the role of Gully and Gully was somebody that they kind of found washed up in a ditch after a rainstorm and they kind of took them in and raised them as one of their own. Yeah, the word chimera comes to mind.

I think that came, I think Phil basically added to the story. He was, yes, ended it and heightened it and said he might have been part duck or something. Part bullfrog. Oh, that's right, part bullfrog. But the point is that Phil Roberts and played along. Now imagine he's kind of wondering,

Metaxus, what are you doing here? And I just go with it. It's going to be stupid and funny and whatever. So he played along. And so that video, we got to get that video up someplace so everybody can see it. But I just had the joy of being his friend and seeing him down again. And we heard, you know, in the last year that he was really suffering with dementia. That just hurt to hear that. And so, you know, day and a half ago when his son, son Jace posted that he had gone to be with the Lord, I just, first of all, I rejoice because, boy, do I know where he is. What a, what a beautiful, beautiful thing. And so I just, yeah, we had

his son on the show about a year ago at, I think, NRB or Amfest, one of those places when they were promoting the blind. And he was just saying, you know, if you've seen the story, if you haven't, you should see it. But, you know, his dad had a real drinking problem before he came to faith. And his wife had taken the kids away to kind of separate for their safety. And we're talking about Phil. When Phil was a young man, this great man of God that I loved, when he was a young man, he was a wild man in a bad sense. He was a maniac, a drunkard, a mess. And his wife, Ms. Kay, was taking the kids away. It was bad. And so that was turned into a film called The Blind. Yeah, a powerful testimony. And his son,

Willie said, you know, if it hadn't been for the preacher that had reached out to him in the back of the bar and led him to the Lord, I mean, everybody owes, you know, that moment a debt of gratitude. And you can just see the legacy he left behind. It's unbelievable, unbelievable. And so, so that film is The Blind. But anyway, in a few minutes, we're going to play my conversation with the late great man of God, my brother in Christ, Phil Robertson. We'll play that for you. And maybe we'll play more with him in the week

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drinking bruskees out on the lake or something. I don't know what people think of doing on Memorial Day weekend or going to a fancy house in the Hamptons or something or whatever you do where you are. What I did yesterday all day was worked on my book. When you write a book, the problem is it doesn't write itself. You have to write it. It is very hard when people say, what's that like for you? It's like I'd rather go to the dent.

sometimes or move bricks or or dig a ditch it's hard work it's hard work um but uh you know i i do it so that's what i did yesterday uh when um uh you know it's just i don't have a lot of time i am all my friends know i'm busy like i'm not available and especially when i'm writing forget it so it's been So that's what I did yesterday. We're at a time in this segment. So we're going to go to Phil Robertson. At the end of the hour, we'll find out what Keith Jinta and Chris Himes did on Memorial Day. I want to remind you again, CSI, this is important, very important.

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Welcome back. I have the joy of speaking to one of my favorite people on the planet. I'm not exaggerating. Bill Robertson, welcome to this program. Hey, good to be here. I know that all you folks up in New York, get ready for this. This is a biblical text, Eric. About noon the following day, they were approaching the city.

Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat. And while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven open and something like a large sheet being let down to earth. earth by its four corners. Here comes a gigantic screen. Check us out, Eric. It contained that white sheet.

All kinds of four-footed animals. You're like, say what? Birds of the air. There's your ducks. And look, a voice told him, get up, Peter, kill and eat. We've got orders from headquarters reaching all the way to New York City. that four-footed animals and birds of the air are fair game. I wasn't really prepared to discuss that.

But who's to say? Of course I'm prepared. I eat a ton of meat, and you have no argument for me. You already know that because I have participated in killing birds of the air with you in the blind down there in West Monroe. and we're here to talk about your new book. So I want to, before we leap in, tell us the title of your new book, Brother Phil. And who's that bearded young man sitting next to you?

You didn't recognize me because I had a beard, Eric. See, I'm peer pressure. No, I did recognize you, but I want to be sure. You look very small on my screen, so it's hard to make you out. This is Al, the oldest brother. And the one who gave you your first pair of hip waders or chest waders. that you got down here in Louisiana. I hope it served you well up there in New York City.

Well, I'm still not wet. Thank you. So what's the title of the new book, Phil? But the new book says, I could be wrong. I'm acknowledging that. But when it comes to the Bible and life itself, I doubt it. So the title of the book is I could be wrong, but I doubt it by Phil Robertson. So Brother Phil, you just quoted the scripture where it says, where the Lord speaks to Peter and says, arise Peter, kill and eat.

I have a coffee mug that says that, and I got it at your story. down there in your neck of the woods? Well, life is short, but full of trouble. I'm crowding 80. I've got two years, and I'll be 80. I'm running out of time. But the Bible says, all your sins will be removed by the blood of Jesus, and the rest is history.

That's the message. They killed and buried him and resurrected him and he said, I'll get you out of here alive. I'm going with him. It's, I mean, it's been called the greatest story ever told, and it really is. There's nothing like it anywhere. It's just the most amazing story in the history of the world.

It concerns the author of the world, coming to Earth. It's, I got to tell you, whenever you think about it seriously, you think there is no alternative to this if you're logical. But so many people, I guess they just dismiss it. I think that this happens a lot of times when you're dealing with truth. People don't necessarily argue against it. They just ignore it because they think if they argue against it, they'll probably lose.

So they're just going to ignore it and pretend it's not there. What do you talk about in the book? Why did you lead with the scripture, Arise Peter, Kill and E? which I find funny, but at the same time important. It's like before I came up here to talk to you this morning, I said, let me just check in on something. And I looked up. This is his version of Google, Eric.

He has an encyclopedia brought with it. I don't have a cell phone. I've never owned one. But I do have some encyclopedias. So according to who is this, World Book Encyclopedia, AD is the abbreviation for Anno Domini, which is Latin for the year of our Lord. In the year of our Lord, in 532 AD, the monk Dionysius exigus introduced a system of dating events beginning with the year. Here he believed Jesus Christ was born, and this system, the year of Christ's birth was AD1, the year before was 1 BC.

Even the encyclopedia got it right. They're talking about Jesus, and a lot of people are operating like he never came. We all have sinned, if we're honest, and we're all going to die, Eric. Period. We know it. He's the answer for that, and I think he's worth following just to see. I think if you fit, you know what it is, Phil, you know this, but most people in America, we don't face death in the way that most people in history have had to face it.

We kind of under this illusion that we might live forever. I just lost my dad. Praise God, he was 96 and a half. but I thought to myself, when you face death with someone you love or your own death, it forces you to think what is the meaning of life? The idea that we would not have the option to go into the presence of a God who loves us, I'm just fascinated what people who don't believe in Jesus, what they make of death, or do they just have to look away because it's too painful?

I think they can't bear it and they have to look away because it's too painful for them actually to think about what it would mean if this stuff weren't true that you and I believe. This might help him or her who are wrestling with this situation. If it's preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead? If there's no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ. has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless, and so is your faith. More than that, we're to be found false witnesses about God, for we've testified about God that he raised Jesus from the dead.

But he did not raise him if, in fact, the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, when Christ has been raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile. You're still in your sins. Then those who also who have fallen asleep in Christ, they're all lost. If only for this life, we have hope in Christ. We're to be pitted more than all men. Christ has indeed been raised from the dead,

and he's the first fruits of those who have. fallen asleep. Since death came through a man, Adam, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. As in Adam, all die. So in Christ, all will be made alive. But each in his own turn, Christ's the first fruits, then when he comes, those who belong to him. I don't apologize when I'm talking to people, and I have that waiting on me, hope. I have hope, I see hope. Jesus died, was buried and raised from the dead. Never been, never happened before,

and this is it for everybody. And all you're asked to do was love God and love your neighbor. I mean, give me a break here. It's right in front of us, immortality. It's ours. Love God. Love your neighbor. Everything will be all right.

Just think of a culture who all of a sudden decided to do that. But since I got out of college the last 30 or 40 years, I don't know about New York City, but I know about the deep south down in here. We're in a rough situation, the rank and file. our job is to get the gospel to them. We love them. But I've never seen our culture turn into what we now have, ever. I believe that it's God's mercy, that he's trying to wake up those who have been sleeping, who refuse to wake up, that things are so bad that people are waking up who would have been sleepwalking for another few decades. So to my mind, it is all these horrible things are God's mercy to wake us up. We'll be right back, folks. I'm talking to Phil Robertson. Don't go away. Welcome back, folks. I got the joy of speaking to someone that I love and respect tremendously. Phil Robertson. Phil, it's just, it's a joy for me to know you and to talk to you. And I have to say you've got a new book out called I could be wrong, but I doubt it, why Jesus is your greatest hope on earth and in eternity. I got to ask you,

brother Phil, you remember not believing this stuff. And I think that sometimes it's why we want to have mercy for those who don't get it yet, because we were, as they are now, we once were. You were, and I was, and we can remember what it's like to live without God. Do you remember what was in your mind? When you rejected this stuff, was it because you'd never heard it? Was it because you misinterpreted it? I always love trying to get into the mindset of people who don't get this. Somehow there's something inside them or many things that just shove it away. Do you remember being that man?

At 28, which is I noticed something once I repented and started following Jesus. I noticed that people... I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you. It was preached to me. I was 28. Most of the time of all the people, and we baptize them on a constant delivering the message, we walk down there. If we're near my house, I make sure that alligators don't come by while we're walking down into the river are cotton mouth,

Marsken. So I tell them uptown they have warm water and no alligators and cotton mouths, but you can choose to go to the river if you want to. But look, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you. I was 28 when I heard this, which you received and on which you've taken, you stand. But this is First Corinthians chapter 15, by the way, verse one. By this gospel, you are saved if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you, otherwise you believed in vain. For what I received, the Apostle Paul is talking, and his job was to slaughter Christians before God called him. So here's a guy who's slaughtering the men and women of faith. God strikes him down, blinds him. He's crawling around on the ground.

You know, who are you? He said, I'm the one you're persecuting. For what I received, the Apostle Paul is talking. And I was 28, and he was probably about that age. I passed on to you as the first importance that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures that he was buried and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures. There's two groups of people, the ones who have going to die, it's coming for every last one of us.

And the ones who can live again, be resurrected from the dead. If we're wrong, I doubt it. So when I told the book people, they wanted me to write a book for them, that's the one I said we need to do. As soon as they heard that, I said, what we need to do is me talk about when I could be wrong, but I doubt it. They said, they all looked at each other, the book people, and they said, good night, that's it. That's what we want right there.

So, it's a great title. The Creator. Jesus, the King of Kings, Jesus the greatest teacher, Jesus, the living water, Jesus, our defense attorney, never lost the case, Jesus the servant we need more of it Jesus the light in the darkness a lot of darkness Jesus the resurrected sin offering shed blood the creator of the cosmos first sentence in the Bible

in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth if that's true we can get out of here alive the death of Jesus on a cross his burial and resurrection If it's not true, nobody's getting out of here, and we have no hope and not a chance. He's the only chance we have, Eric. I'm not going to miss it. Look, I haven't even cursed in 40 years. No filth comes out of my mouth.

I'm pointing people to Jesus. You say, not a curse word, not even a little, oh, a hurt? No. all that's behind me all of that's behind me so i was uh i was talking to your your other son willie uh recently i was an event in nashville and we were talking about his experience of just thinking about what would his life have been like if you had not come to jesus when you did There's so many people right now living in darkness, in broken families, and it's challenging sometimes even to think about where would we be, where would we be if somebody had not brought us the good news. When we come back, I want to continue the conversation talking to Phil Robertson.

I want to remind you folks, in case you forgot, everybody listens to this program has a lot. obligation to do a number of things. One of them, go to metaxistock.com today. If you haven't already done it, and most of you have not, please go to metaxistalk.com and click on the banner for the Alliance Defending Freedom. They are heroes. They are absolute heroes in this nation, and we ask you to support them, metaxis talk.com. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to Phil Robertson and his son Al Robertson both bearded as men should be. I'm growing a beard right now. You can't tell because I shave it off every day, but I'm growing it just as much as they are.

And there's a little more gray than it was the last time I saw you. It's a good sign, though. You're still here. Yes, yes, that's exactly right. Well, I got to tell you, I was just mentioning to you, Phil, and I'm sure Al remembers this, because I was talking to Willie, and he was talking about, you know, living through the turmoil before you came to faith. And do you ever think about that, about God's sovereignty, about this idea that, you know, some of us get it, some of us don't get it, and we all ought to get it right away, but we don't. Do you ever do you ever, Do you ever think about that or do you feel that it's just not worth dwelling on that? Yeah, I feel, I think what I did, I became aware of someone on the other side of Jesus. Satan.

I mean, if you read about Satan and what he does to individuals, when you know you see a way to get out from under that, I was 28, and I was at first. I was going left and right. But basically getting high, getting drunk and getting laid was my mode of operandi. So I just, I mean, it was pathetic. So now I've been trying to help the ones I see in the shape that I was in. I'm trying to show them there is a way out when you won't even use a curse word at any time.

You'll love God. You'll love your neighbor, and you sure can rest a lot easier. I mean, think about it. All of your sins have been removed by the blood of Jesus, free of charge, and he's guaranteed you by doing it, you will be raised from the dead. I mean, I can look everywhere and this and that and then the study and all the college professors and all of them coming out of our schools. You see these young people coming out of them, Eric.

I mean, it's pathetic to see what they are doing. But it's not loving God and loving each other, that's for sure. But you know, Eric, it also changes, you said it. Willie told you this. It changes destinies of families because he was right. I mean, how would that have turned out? We're now 60 people that are from, mom and dad, you know, and we're all our own patriarchs and matriarchs of our own families now

and structures. My granddaughter is about to be married, which is dad's great, great granddaughter, and he baptized her, you know, a few years ago, and we all stood around that pool of water, and that was four generations of faith. And, Al, look, I have five children, you're the oldest, 19 grandchildren and 13 great-grandchildren. And more coming. If they keep more coming, let's see. Jesus, omnipresent, omnipotent, the way, the truth, the life, the resurrection, the Redeemer for everyone, king over heaven and earth, indestructible, prophet, mind reader, lawgiver,

judge, supreme being on heaven and earth, ultimate love, the man of mystery, the great mediator of the saint. This is the book, by the way, the greatest defense attorney of all time, conqueror of death, full of grace, full of mercy, the greatest teacher that ever has been, bread of life, greatest heater, reconciler, fullness of God, greatest servant, Lord of all, high priest. and I could just go on and on. It's just, there's never been anyone like it. And I ended that up with the greatest friend we could ever have. That's what's incredible is that you describe all this stuff

and then you think that this amazing God, beyond anything we could begin to comprehend, wants to be our friends. That is the mind-blower. That is the mindblower. I wrote a book called Is Atheism Dead? And you look at the science and how this world was created by this God. It's completely inconceivable, the level of design.

It just hurts your head when you look at it just a little bit. And then you realize that God who invented atomic structure and who invented all that is in this universe wants to be my friend. that is absolutely unbelievable. And I think that if you really get that, you want to weep because you suddenly realize, I have not really sufficiently given my life to him. Even when we say I've given him my life, have you given him everything? Are you living for him on every level? Do you know how much he loves you?

It is absolutely overwhelming. It is the greatest thing, the greatest news anyone could ever deliver. You've been delivering this news. for a long time, Phil, and I'm still amazed. You know, you put on these airs of a country prophet. You were an English teacher.

You got a college degree. Did you get a master's degree? Yeah. Nobody would predict that from your outfit looking at you today. I find it very funny. When I alert them to that, they're like, what the world?

What's going on in this world today? Look, the acts of the sinful nature are obvious. sexual immorality, always number one. In the United States, it's just gone ballistic. Somebody said, why didn't you get you a cell phone? I said, because some chick will want to be show me her butt on that thing. I don't want one of those.

Listen, unfortunately, that is true. It is unbelievable. It is unbelievable. Listen, I would love to go back before cell phones, before the Internet. It is, it's kind of amazing. Look, we're at a time. I just want to thank you, Brother Phil, brother Al, for all you guys do. The new book is called I Could Be Wrong, but I doubt it, why Jesus is your greatest hope on earth and in eternity.

When did this book come out? Today. It's just to come out, honey. It's just today. All right. Well, that's good news. I could be wrong, but I doubt it, why Jesus is your greatest hope on earth. and in eternity.

Phil Robertson, author. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Eric. You're our favorite New Yorker. That's saying absolutely nothing, but thank you. We love you, my man. We love you. I love you back, brother.

I wish I could be down there with you. And I'll look for excuses to get down there. There you go. We'd love to see you. You are welcome. You're welcome. Folks, before we go for the day, before we go for the day, which is to say right now, I want to remind you of a couple of fun things. If you're, let's see, where do we go with this?

I want to talk about what's going on in Seattle today, today, because I want your prayers. And so this is real spiritual warfare. I want to mention that. But before that, I want to remind you, if you're interested in doing homeschooling, for your kids or your grandkids, and I hope you are, because I've talked about it like crazy on this program for years, it's the way to go. Home schooling or quality, genuinely Christ-centered K-12 education. This is the future of the country. This is what it is to keep the republic.

I wrote a book called If You Can Keep It. I highly recommend my book, if you can keep it. because if we don't know how to keep the Republic, it goes away, we almost lost it. And part of keeping the Republic, which I don't think I mentioned specifically in my book, if you can keep it, is education, although it's part of it. If you're interested in how to educate your kids in the right way, the number one resource for you is the Herzog Foundation. go to Herzog Foundation.com. Tell your friends about Herzog Foundation.com. Hurtzog Foundation.com. These are

the heroes. They are friends of ours. They're there to help you figure this out. They're foundation. So they're looking to help you. They're not looking to get something from you, right? So herdsugfoundation.com, if you're just thinking about homeschooling, if you're thinking about classical Christian education, they're the place. Herzog Foundation.com. You can trust them. They're the real deal. They have another website, reedlion.com. R-E-A-D-L-I-O-N, readlion.com. Okay, tonight, 5 p.m. in Seattle. So that's 8 p.m. Eastern time. Pastor Russ Johnson is leading a rally. He is a fiery man of God, the kind of pastor that if we had one of these in every city, America would be a different country. It would be.

be amazing. He is a hero. I ministered with him. My friend Sean Foyt and I and Russ, we're at Columbia University about a year and a half ago. We led a rally for Israel at the time that on Columbia, you had all these pro-Hamas maniacs denouncing Israel and Jews. And we stood up, you know, in the tradition of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And Russ is that kind of a guy. He's bold. And so he had a rally in Seattle recently, which was Christians singing, evangelistic, worship songs, whatever, they were violently attacked by Antifa, who are demonic. Okay, these are not just like, oh, they differ politically. No, they are animated by dark forces. Sean Foyt has experienced that. I've experienced that. These are nasty. And so what happens? The mayor of Seattle,

who is technically the term is weasel. He is a weasel, but also to be really accurate, he's also a skunk. He identifies very proudly as the first biracial mayor of Seattle, as if we care. He is a lousy mayor. He denounced the Christian gathering, this kind of wickedness, this ignorance of religious liberty of what it is to be an American among leaders like this. this guy. It's just, it's unbelievable. And so today in Seattle, they're having a rally. And I want to ask you, if you are a prayer, I want to ask you to pray, take 30 seconds after this show is over. Pray for what

goes down tonight that the Holy Spirit would manifest himself and that God would get the glory in Seattle and that city would change, that the demons would flee, and that people who love this country, and love God could take that city back for for the sake of sanity. That would be a good thing. All right. There you go.