The Eric Metaxas Show - Rebecca Hatfield

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

Rebecca Hatfield of 2nd Vote has advice on how we spend our money, letting corporations know where we stand on key issues of culture and politics.

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There you are. If people are watching this on video, they can see that I got a sunburn yesterday, which is a positive thing. It means that I was in the sun. But we're out here, way out on Long Island, and I saw something yesterday I've never seen before. This is true.

I was sitting on the beach about to read my book, because even though, you know, people think, like, reading is like a fun thing you do on vacation. theoretically. But normally when I'm reading books, I'm kind of reading it because I have to or because it's a book I need to read for some business thing or for some project I'm working on. And so I'm, I was reading a book along those lines. Maybe I'll share about that later because it's kind of exciting. But while I'm sitting there, it was pretty early for me. We're not like we get up early and run to the beach. But I saw a whale breach. Now, I think the term is breach. But it was,

I don't know what kind of a whale it was. But I mean, I've lived in this, you know, part of the world my whole life. I don't think I've ever seen a whale. Like I get really excited if I see like a dolphin because they don't normally come this far north. But I saw a whale twice burst through the water. And it was impressive. I thought, man, The only thing is I have no idea what kind of a whale it was, but I know it was a whale because it was that big. Yeah. I blame global warming. Yes, exactly. For everything. For racism, for everything, for the police problems. No, but honestly, it's just sort of funny because, you know, I've been in the New York area, New York beaches, Long Island, my whole life, but I've never seen a whale. So it was kind of amazing. And if I only, you know, had a boat. You just like to go out there and check it. It was, it was just exciting. And then later on, regular Ahab. Yeah, well, no, I'm not, I'm not going to harpoon the guy,

but, but I got to tell you just to, to see these things, that was kind of amazing. And, you know, this is Long Island. This is not, I don't know, where people go on vacations, but, um, that was on the positive side. On the, on the negative side, the air conditioner broke. That was, that was kind of tough. It's kind of, it's actually, we better hurry up because the guy's supposed to come to repair it in our unit here. And so, but he can only come here once we're done with us. All right. So a few things to share.

First of all, in a couple of minutes, we're airing my conversation with Rebecca Hatfield about second vote. Folks, this is big stuff. We haven't aired this yet, right? I can't believe we haven't aired this. This is very important. When you hear her talk about it's sort of how we spend our money, Are we giving our money to companies with woke values and how we can change?

And so this is exciting. So I always want to bring hope to our radio audience because, frankly, we need hope. We need to figure out how do we move forward in a positive way. Rebecca Hatfield is my guest. And that's about how you spend money. That's number one. Number two, we're not talking about that today. But we have had one of the sponsors on this program is inspire investment.

and I want to tell people to go to this website, inspireadvisors.com. If you go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric, does anybody going to do this? I hope people do this because this is the way forward, folks. It's kind of like the Rebecca Hatfield thing. How we spend our money, that's up to us. We have freedom to spend our money with companies that support our values or don't. And we're going to talk about that for this hour. And actually in hour two today, we're going to be talking to Brandon Tatum, which that's totally unrelated to this.

But I want to remind people, we're going to re-air my conversation with Brandon Tatum about his life and about the new film out at SalemNow.com. But how we invest our money, if you have a 401k or an IRA, tons of those. you know, funds, they invest your money in woke corporations. And so to find out if you're invested in corporations that are woke and what to do about it, I'm asking you to go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. It's just one way that we can be good stewards of our money. So folks, please check that out. Inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Okay. Now, Alvin, I've got other kind of kooky vacation stories, but before I say any of them, I also want to remind people that we've just got today and tomorrow to hit our goal. We're not there, folks. We're trying to raise money for refugees in Ukraine who are starving. This is not about the war effort. This is not about supporting the Ukraine war effort. This is about supporting the people whose lives have been torn up.

part and who literally can't feed their kids. So if you go to our website, it's metaxistalk.com. That's the radio website, not to be confused with my personal website, Ericmetaxis.com, where you should be going every day, Ericmetaxis.com to sign up for the newsletter. But if you go to metaxis talk.com, you'll see the banner. And we want to encourage everybody. I don't know how to encourage you, folks, except to say that every dollar you give goes so far. Every dollar is four meals. That's how far they're stretching this money. So there are hundreds of thousands of refugees who can't feed their kids.

Food for the poor has stepped up, but they need our help. And there's still plenty people who listen to this program who haven't been involved. I'm asking you, please, folks, just go to metaxis talk.com. Or I know there's a phone number, 844-863 Hope. 844-863 hope 844-8-6-3 hope let me spell that 844-8-6-3 hope really and truly it is amazing how far food for the poor is able to stretch our American dollars so please go to 844-863 hope whatever you give I mean literally every $10 is 40 meals so that's that's how amazing they are

and just real quick no matter what amount you give, we put your name in a hat, a virtual hat, and we're going to draw five grand prize winners, not three, five this time. So you could win all kinds of books and stickers and hats. It's a fun thing we want to do. We want to encourage you. And if there's anybody out there, I always say this, who wants to give $10,000, which of course is tax deductible, I will find a time in my increasingly busy schedule. It's getting nuts. Like I can barely find the time, but I will find a time to spend the evening with you. We can have dinner together.

We can involve my wife. We can involve Albin. Whatever you want, we want to, you know, that's one way that I can thank you if you're able to do that. But you have to go to metaxis talk.com. Metaxistalk.com. You'll see the banner. Or you can call and you will call 844-8663, Hope. 844-8663 Hope.

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right now. If you've been listening to this program for a number of years, you will have heard of this. There's something called second vote. Secondvote.com. That's the number two ND. And it's about

using our money. to affect things. We all say, well, I got to vote. I got to vote. A lot of people are too dumb to vote. I'm not addressing them right now. If you're one of those people, folks, go repent and then vote and tell everyone you better vote.

But there's way more that we can do that is vital, way more than just voting. And the money that we spend and how we spend our money is something that I think a lot of people, it just never occurs to us. Well, we're living in really woke, sick times, and suddenly we better think about this. So I'm really thrilled to have the president of Second Vote. Yes, it's an organization to talk to us about it.

Rebecca Hatfield, welcome the program. Thank you, Eric. Thank you for having me. Well, you and I bumped to each other in Las Vegas at Freedom Fest. I don't like Las Vegas, but I love Freedom Fest. And I bumped in all these fun people. And when you said that you were the head of second vote, I was like, wait a minute. we need to talk because I want my audience to hear about this again if they haven't heard about it.

How did you, first of all, what is your vision for second vote? I mean, if people go to the website 2ND, second vote.com, what do they find? What is the plan? Okay, well, our vision is to educate and inform consumers. We're a watchdog advocate. So what we do is we let customers, consumers, investors, we let them know which companies are basically neutral, which ones are focusing on their product and their services, and which ones are becoming more political, whether it's right or left. So that's what we do. We inform the market consumers.

We believe that in a capitalist system, which is what we, a free market was we are supposed to have, which is not exactly what we have, that's what the goal is, we believe. We believe that the consumers are the guardrails. And so, you know, until the consumers say, enough, we don't like what you're doing until we speak with our wallet by voting with our wallet and saying, or our voices, until we raise that rise up and say, hey, this is enough. No more. We're not taking this. You're not shoving this down our throats by either stopping, shopping there and going somewhere else. So when you don't go to one store because you don't like what they're doing and you choose another one, you're voting. whether you realize it or not.

Now, if you don't like their prices, you're making a vote. You're saying, I don't like your prices. I like these prices. Or if you don't like their quality, I don't like that quality, I like this quality. So you're making a choice. You're making a vote. First vote is at the ballot box. Your second vote is with your wallet.

Well, this is huge. We've had our friends on from Inspire Investing. The way you invest your money, where you invest your money or 401K, whatever that is, that is important. But right now we're talking about something that is previous to that, much more central to our lives. How you spend your money every day, where you shop, where you buy this, where you buy that. I think we have to be up front, Rebecca, and say that there's no way to get this right. In other words, we're living in a broken world. And no matter what you do, no matter what car you drive, you're always participating in a broken world.

So you could drive yourself crazy. You know, there are people that are going to say, well, I can't even, I can't drive a car because that car company did this and this car company did that and I don't want to get my gas from that company. And I want to get it. So the point here is not to drive yourself insane, but it's to be responsible to educate yourself and to educate your neighbors and your friends and relatives. And so we've had examples in the past that really kind of rise to the level of public consciousness where everybody says, like, I can't believe what such and such a company did. Disney the worst. I mean, Disney should be canceled for a thousand centuries over what it did. Now, there are a lot of people. They've already forgotten about that. They think, oh, I don't care. Folks, we've got to be serious about this. These companies are taking our money. And we are, it's not all

about being entertained and being comfortable. Sometimes we have to make choices. But when a company does something as brazen as what Disney did, which is effectively standing with wicked people grooming our children, It's as sick as it gets. You need to take that seriously. I don't care if you're a fan of Disney or aren't. You need to understand that you make it possible for them to have that cultural power and to do tremendous damage. So we have to take these things seriously. But oftentimes it's not something as big as that.

And again, we're distracted. We move on on the next thing. We're on the next thing. So what are some of the things that, what are some of the companies out there that you would say right off the bat, they are working overtime against the values of most of us. Target. Target. Target.

I knew you were going to say Target because that's the top of my list too. Target. Yes. And I am one that used to love the target experience. The whole going there, something about the aesthetics, the whole experience was, you know, it's very appealing. It's hard to give up. I understand that.

It's convenient. There are several targets around. But come on. It is nauseating. me now, to know what they do and to still support them. However, what my policy is, Walgreens is another one that is a really not good company. But if your child, Walgreens, Walgreens is a very well company. So think about this. Think folks, how big these companies are. They're everywhere and you kind of feel like what choice do I have. I got to drive on the road. I got to go, I got to get this. I got to get

that. I can't avoid it. But you're telling us if you can avoid Walgreens and Target that these have become tremendously woke companies. But the point is, okay, if your child has a fever at three in the morning and Walgreens is the only 24-hour entity open, go get your child some Tylenol or whatever at Walgreens. You make the best choice that you can at that time. Amazon is really hard to compete with. I mean, they've got, you know, we're in the Nashville area. We can get same-day delivery. There are sometimes that we have to use Amazon and we don't like to use Amazon and we try to avoid it. We want to shop local. Then we choose a mom and pop shop. If we can't find just a local something, we use a smaller brand name that's, you know, not a family-owned company or American-made.

So we try to do like a sphere of, you know, local and then family-owned and then, you know, so we try to avoid the big box brands as much as possible. But the point is that you make the best choices every time that you can and not to browbeat yourself and not to just, you know, go crazy with trying to be dogmatic about it, but just every choice, beware of what you're trying to do and realize that each purchase that you make, it is a vote. And if you're just careless and you do willy-nilly whatever you want to do, you're making a vote towards the left's agenda if you don't pay attention and say, hey, I'm going to try to be more aware of what I'm purchasing.

What are some of the particularly good companies? Are there any that we can even think of? Are there any? Yes, there are. just name a few that some of our top ones would be like Patriot mobile, a very small cell phone company, but they are, they score very high, Waffle House, Hobby Lobby, you know, there was, Chick-fil-A, those are some of the ones that we know of that score high. But we also have some that score in the neutral zone. If you look on our website and you see in the threes, those are

neutral, and we celebrate the neutrals because they're focusing, like I said, just on their product, just on their services, and they're doing a great job, and we really celebrate those. We recommend those. And what we want to work on, our focus, is to work on those, those companies that are just below the three, just under there, and we want to encourage them. We want to email them. We want to target them and say, hey, can y'all move a little bit? Can you maybe stop doing this product, or maybe this campaign or this educational program, maybe drop the CRT a little bit? And then you can move towards a neutral score, and then we can celebrate you too. So that's our focus is to help companies get more neutral, so they're moving away from that political stance.

Well, the whole thing is we want to incentivize them. We want to say to them, listen, we would like to shop there. Would you change this and this and this? Because if you do that, we're there and you will see profits. But a lot of them don't know that unless we send an email or unless we get involved. And I know all this stuff you can find at second vote.com. Again, it's the number two, nd, second vote.com. But you just mentioned a couple of good ones.

You said Patriot Mobile, Waffle House, Hobby Lobby, Chick-Lub. Now, Waffle House, I hadn't thought of. They are, you're saying that they are a good company on all this stuff. They are scored very well. Yes, they're in the fours. They're scored high. Five would be the highest, and we don't have quite a five. Patriot Mobile is close, but Waffle House scores very high.

I believe it's a 4.85. They score high on our score system. This is a big deal, folks. I just want to encourage you to the extent that you're able to get involved and to begin to understand. where do I spend my money? And post it on social media. Tell your friends.

I'm not shopping here because of this policy, but I'm shopping here because of this policy. You have to spread this idea. You have to spread these ideas. But Patriot Mobile Waffle House, Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, I always say... Avis Rental. What's that?

Avis Rental. Avis Rental. They score higher than Hertz and Enterprise. Hertz and Enterprise score very low. Avis Rental. Son of a gun. Well, that's... Yes. Terrific to hear Rebecca, because I would have never known that if I'm given a choice between

Avis and these others that I ought to go with Avis. So, folks, we got to take this seriously and we got to spread the word wherever we go. We'll be back playing more with Rebecca Hatfield. I want you to encourage you, folks, go to secondvote.com. It's 2ND, second vote.com. This is a big deal. This is a movement, folks. If you care about your country and liberty and your faith, you've got to be a good.

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Yes, we have some new things about to roll out that will make it so much easier. We have a web browser plug-in so that when you're browsing the web, if one of our companies that we've scored comes up, it'll pop up and show you what the score is for that company. We also are about to launch soon an app that will also be able to show you on your phone, all the scores, and have those available right there on your phone as well. So we've got some exciting products that are about to be released that are going to help it make it easy, even easier and accessible. So it'll be right there when you're shopping. We also want to do a product listing with the barcode so you can scan and see which brand of crackers would be a better scored by than the other. So we have a lot

of things that we are about to launch. This is amazing. Amazing things. This is terrific, Rebecca. This is This is very exciting. And folks, I want to tell you something. You know, people go, well, I don't believe in boycotts. Excuse me, that's stupid because frankly, no, no, no, we're not talking about boycotts, but I'm saying if somebody says to you, that company uses slave labor. If you do not boycott that company, you're a bum. Like you don't care if you can get a little bit cheaper.

Well, that translates down the line. There are companies that are doing things that are horrendous. and we need to reward those that are doing good things, and we need to let the other ones know, if you continue that, I won't shop there, and I will tell all my friends never to shop there or to buy that product.

I think it's a difference between boycotting and removing support. I'm not going to support Target. I will not support their agenda. I will not support what they're doing. I'm not going to say, I'm boycotting target because will I say, I will never go in there and buy something when I absolutely have to.

No, but I will not support what they're doing. I absolutely will not. Boycotts become a dirty word, not to me, frankly. All I'm saying is if you don't understand folks that the people's lives depend not just on how you vote and how you behave, but on how you spend your money. And you need to understand that God calls us to be stewards, good stewards. Good stewards.

And so we now have the ability, thanks to Rebecca and second vote, to be much better stewards than we have been of our money. So we want to reward Avis Rent-a-Car because they are doing or not to be. doing a number of things that are consonant with our values, American values, biblical values, whatever it is. This is very, very important. I often talk about Mike Lundell. You know, I say people go to my store.com, use the code Eric and get your coffee from Mike Lindell. Why? Because it's not Amazon. It's not Starbucks. It's amazing coffee. It's a great price. And it's Mike Lindell who is using his profits to do many, many good things. So if you could

buy something at my store.com. Use the code Eric. Go to my store.com. But this translates into our whole lives, where we spend our money. So what are some other companies that are like dedicated to working against what most people listening to this program care about? Oh, okay. Well, like I mentioned, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, a lot of these companies that are so intertwined into our lives that we don't really know how to separate ourselves from this. And that's one of the things that we want to work on long-term, how to help, well, individuals as well as small businesses get away from these companies. We want to form eventually a small business alliance that will help small businesses when they're starting up to not get started on those products, because once you get on them,

it's very difficult to get off of them. It feels almost impossible because you are enslaved to them. And then also just along with the big tech companies, the big box companies, any of those companies are going to be, I mean, you're looking at Walmart. I mean, they, they, they have have done some good things, but they've also done some really bad things as well. And the problem is also made in America has become a thing of the past. We need to bring back made in America. It's not going to be, it took 20, 30 years, you know, for that to go away, but we're going to have to work on bringing that back. But that's something else that we want to do is focus on made in America products. All of our merchandise, our t-shirts, all of our, anything that's

got second vote on it is going to be made in America. We will never use anything that's made in China. So that's another local and then made America. Let's think about this, folks. This is not about just dumb patriotism. This is about there are people in China who are doing really wicked things, treating their workers like scum, so that they can offer products to ignorant

Americans for just a little bit less. And we go, oh, I want to save five cents, I want to save 10 cents. But you're contributing if not to actual slave labor to something close to it. In America, we have standards of how we deal with our workers and stuff.

So we have a responsibility. Listen, will you Wilberforce, when he was one of the greatest politicians in the life of England, he took this stuff seriously. And as a result of slavery around the world and the slave trade, he got people to say, we're not going to use

sugar anymore. Why? Because we do not want to help the people running sugar plantations in the West Indies who are treating people. It's like they're living in hell. Our money is subsidizing that. We have to think that way, folks. They're

people in China in particular in other countries that are suffering horribly because we blithely, ignorantly, naively spend our money, not looking where. So this is not about going crazy, but it's about being responsible. It's about being stewards of how we spend our money. Absolutely. And that's something that the globalists are overlooking. When you look at electric batteries for all these cars that they want to implement, that is something that is a huge problem because they want to, they want to formulate all these plans for everybody going to electric cars. When you look at how electric batteries are made, there's some really scary things there. The environment and humans are being harmed by that. So it's, yeah, that is a huge thing that

America has always been more focused on as far as their labor force, you know, in the past hundred years or so, whereas European and other countries, not so much. So that's, that's another idea. Well, again, it's complicated. And so we're not here to just make people lose their hair for stress thinking about this because there's some people that they're kind of like you know ODD they're going to get like freaked out about this is not about that folks this is about being responsible and understanding this is part of how god wants us to be good stewards we'll be right back talking rebecca hatfield uh president of second vote we'll be right back my pillow is having their biggest sheet sale of the year you've all helped build my pillow into the

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Promocode, Eric. Hey, folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Rebecca Hatfield, who's the president of second vote. You can go to second vote.com. I hope you do. This is like we're on a mission from God, folks. Remember the Blues Brothers?

We're on a mission from God. This is a mission from God. He wants us to be stewards of the money he allows us to have for his purposes. And that doesn't mean tithes and offerings. It means when you spend your money, where are you spending it? Are you spending it responsibly? You spending it with people that are doing things like Walmart just the other day. They used to be a pro-American company, even though like 140% of their stuff is made in China.

But they just the other day said, hey, you know, we will help you to kill your unborn child. We're going to vote against, you know, the idea that children in the womb are sacred. And we're going to make an extra effort to take the profits we make from people who buy in our stores to help women do the wrong thing. That's going to hurt them. And it's an unbelievable thing. So if you have to shop in a place like Walmart, well, I think you can go there.

But it's a challenge for us to find places. usually, Rebecca, local places. My wife's big on this. Support a local mom and pop shop. It might cost you more money, but folks, it's God's money. It's God's money. That's right. And when you support these local places, especially when people share your values,

it really does affect everything. It's not just a one-time purchase. It affects your community. It affects what comes into your community. Absolutely. And one of the things that we also want to do is eventually we want to score not only the corporation, but also the local entity because sometimes like McDonald's, McDonald's is not a great entity as far as their corporate initiatives, but sometimes there's local franchises that actually

do good things. So we want to separate those because we don't want to penalize the local owners because of what the corporation does. So we want to have separate scores and actually show what the local owners of those franchises actually do good. So we want to reward those and have a local score versus a corporate score. And so a lot of this, as you're developing this, can be found at second vote.com. It will eventually in time be, yes. That's things that are in the future that we're working on. But all this is actually to help consumers.

This is information that they would have a difficulty time finding on their own. Talk about people that are OCD that would worry and fret over it. Our job is to make it easy, accessible, and to bring it to them in a packaged way that's user-friendly. Well, I want to say, folks, this is exciting. This is really hopeful. This is a wonderful thing that I can be excited. about where I buy my coffee or about where I buy anything that I can say I'm doing a little bit of good. Lately, just because Mike Lindell sells coffee at mystore.com, I tell everybody, go to mystore.com,

buy your coffee there and use the code, Eric. But that's just coffee, right? There are all kinds of other products that we buy. And I just think, what a wonderful thing it is if I know that if I buy this product there, I'm helping somebody who is doing good. It's a hopeful thing. It makes every little thing you do be invested with meaning rather than just say, well, I just want to save a little bit, so I'm just going to shop at these cheaper places.

Because a lot of these big box stores, not only are they terrible on everything that you care about at second vote and that most of us care about, but most of them have canceled Mike Lindell. They've said, you know, and I think to myself, folks, we cannot reward these. stores that have just decided, we don't really care about what you care about. We just care about the bottom line or we care about keeping our nose clean with the woke entities that want to cancel us. And so we're just going to do whatever they tell us to do because there are a lot of these companies. And Rebecca, you know them better than I do, Target and Starbucks and others that they really seem to be working against what most Americans believe in. Absolutely. Did you see

after Roe versus Wade, how many companies came out? I mean, we couldn't keep up with all the companies that came out and said, we're going to jump on that bandwagon of paying for employees to go out of state to have an abortion. And that was a huge, huge thing that suddenly all these companies were saying, that's what we're going to do. We're going to do that too. We're going to pay for employees to go out of state if they have to. What are some of the big companies that we would know that did that?

Oh, my goodness. There was Cisco. There was Starbucks. there was, I mean, all the national media brands, I mean, Target, all, like it was, it was. Well, to me, the biggest surprise was Walmart when they recently did that. Because they originally had said they weren't, and then they turned around and said they were. Is that what happened? I believe so.

But it's like, hey, you want to help kill a baby? Go buy something at Target, folks. You've got to think that way, that your money. You do. You can go anywhere you want. This is a free country. You can go anywhere. and we have to understand that they made these choices, folks.

We're not trying to punish people just to put it. They have freely made these choices. Why? Because they believe it will benefit them. Target. Oh, yes. And all these companies think that if I do this and this and this and this, I'm virtue signaling and everybody's going to support me.

Well, that's what happens unless you don't support them, unless you understand that you have a responsibility to make them know, no, no, there is a price to pay in the opposite direction. If I make that decision, plenty of people will say, you know what, I was shopping there, but I will not shop there now because that's a bridge too far. I cannot give God's money to that corporation because they have made it very clear where they stand. Well, and also think about it. If they have a pregnant employee, if she were to go full term and have maternity leave,

that would cost them more money than just sending her across state lines to have an abortion. How sick is that? And then at another aspect, they're opening themselves to me up for a lot of litigation because if they pay for an employee to go across lines for one medical procedure, what about another one that needs a heart transplant or another life-saving procedure? And they won't pay for that. This seems very, very erratic to me. I don't think that would be a sustainable policy. Well, again, it's called virtue signaling and they're playing a game. And, of course, the media generally is on their side.

So we have to use our voices. We have to be much more vocal. And anybody who doesn't understand this, I want to be really clear. Folks, God wants your faith to touch every part of your life. There's no such thing as a little religious corner. That's where the devil wants you to keep your faith is in a religious corner. God wants you to take your faith into every part of your life and to bless people in everything you do, whether it's buying a product at a store or how you vote or what you say publicly.

God wants us to live our faith out for his purposes. And if we don't do that, if we say that, well, I just, I pay a tie usually and I go to this church and you think you're covered, I'm here to tell you, no, you're not covered. God requires far more. And he's insulted. He's offended when we try to play that game and think, well, I've covered it up. I've got a fig leaf covering up my nakedness. It's good. It's fine.

I'm good. No, you're not good. It's not good. So we'll be back another segment with Rebecca Hatfield. SecondVote.com doing God's work. It's 2ND, secondvote.com. Please check them out. Please share it on social media.

This is a real movement. This is exciting. In the noise of our and have a long and tried to call you. But on a midnight watch I realize. Folks, welcome back talking to Rebecca Hatfield. He's the president of Second Vote. Rebecca, how did you get involved in this? What were you doing before your involvement with second vote?

Well, my background is mostly retail management, accounting, and then also technology sales. I came about it by speaking with Dr. Black's assistant, and then she recommended me for this position, and I became the president. It was an interesting journey. Well, Dr. Black is the one who was behind this whole thing, and I met her backstage at the Huckabee Show in Twitty City in Nashville. and when I heard this vision, I had her on the program to talk about this, but when I bumped into you and realized that you're really taking this to next level, you're being very innovative because of your background.

You've mentioned a whole bunch of things that are very innovative and exciting, and I'm just so thrilled that they're giving you the freedom to do this, because there's a lot we can do. Well, the thing is, we often think of our money as being our money, but the reality is it's God's money. And so how we spend it, if we look at it as God's money, like you said, we have to think about all areas. Well, it is true. And I think that, you know, most of us we've been living in a, you know, in this decent country for a long time, but we forget that there's been drift where a lot of corporate America has made some bargains with the devil. And we didn't get that memo. We thought everything's fine and we keep shopping when we shop. And then you start realizing, no, our money, which is God's money, is working against us and against God's purposes. And we need to take that seriously.

Amen. You mentioned a lot of companies. What are some other companies, Patriot Mobile, Waffle House? People are excited about that. Waffle House. I know I love Waffle House. Chick-fil-A. Avis Rental.

These are all good guys. Who else can we add into that column offhand? Offhand. Okay, I'm drawing a little bit of a blank here, but I know that there are some neutral companies. I know that Home Depot actually scores fairly well. They have some policies that I don't agree with. They've made some really good. donations on life, which is one of the issues that we score really high. So if a company has

some not so good policies that they donate to life, and a lot of times we get a question about that, why does Home Depot score so high? It's because they've donated a lot of money to a pro-life entity. And so that's why their score comes out that way. So a lot of times, like, you know, for instance, Chick-fil-A, Chick-fil-A was at some time a while back, kind of going a little towards the left that they have corrected. I wanted to tell Chick-fil-A, just mine your nuggets, you know, that's what we really celebrate when they just focus on their products, the threes. You know, if you go to a website and you can search by high to low, and then you'll be able to see all the scores and all the companies that are the ones that are in the four range and three and then down.

But like I said, we want to have individuals help us. They can actually email CEOs directly from our website. So that's why we need individuals to search on their website for the specific company want and email directly from our website. site and say, hey, I don't like what you're doing. So we need voices. Collectively, we can do so much more than individual. I'm getting excited right now. Mothers across America are listening to this program, and they're going to get involved with other mothers in their communities, because you have a powerful voice. The money that you spend, folks, you've got to understand. This is God's money, and he has now made it possible for you to vote with that dollar, how you buy, where you buy.

we have to take this seriously. If you care about America, this is a fundamental way we can transform the country simply by being responsible citizens. In the past, and somebody said, well, that company is, they're gigantic polluters. You have no idea. You know, when you hear about these things, you just do your best, but we need to get busy because we've had our eye off this ball for quite a while. Rebecca, I'm just so thrilled that you are heading up second vote. And again, it's the number two, nd, secondvote.com. Folks, wherever you are, I hope you will make a mental note to go to secondvote.com to get involved in this. Rebecca Hatfield, thank you. God bless you.

Thank you very much.