The Eric Metaxas Show - Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

Host Eric Metaxas welcomes lawyer, activist, and Independent Presidential candidate Mr. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to the Socrates in the City stage

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Eric the Texas! Folks, welcome to the Eric the Taxes Show. A few weeks ago, I spoke with RFK Jr. for Socrates in the City. Please go to Socrates and the Cityplus.com for this and other incredible conversations. And now my interview with RFK Jr. Wow. Wow. Wow. I'm so glad they put up these. barricades.

Yeah, I don't like you that much, you know. From a distance, you're okay. But that's it. No closer. No closer. Okay. As you know, Socrates in the city is a forum where over the years, I have interviewed the candidates for the highest office in the nation.

It's not a laugh line, if you don't mind. If you don't mind. I've asked each of them from Pat Paulson, Shirley Chisholm, Dick Gephart, all through the years. I've asked each of them, who the hell are you? Excuse me, who are you to think that you would dare be president of the United States and hold the same office as Washington and Adams and Jefferson

and Lincoln and Biden? Okay, you know I'm kidding. This is not, we've never, ever here. I've never interviewed anyone running for office, much less running for president. We do not do politics at Socrates in the city. We ask the big questions, what we call life, God, and other small topics. And tonight, thank you. And tonight, I have the privilege of having a conversation with Robert of Kennedy Jr. about his life and about America, past, present, and future. If you followed Socrates in the city over the years, you know that I have interviewed astronauts, men who have walked on the moon, men and women who have not walked on the moon,

and everything in between. Think about that. We've interviewed poets, novelists, scientists, theologians, TV stars like my friend Dick Cavett. Now, I should say the closest we ever came to doing politics here was about 15 or 17 years ago when my guest was Governor Mike Huckabee. But that was not to discuss anything political, but it was rather a conversation to explore the intellectual themes set forth in his book, Guns, Grits, and Gravy. And by the way, no, that book did not win the Pulitzer Prize. But on the upside, it was also not ghostwritten by Ted Sorensen.

So anyway, we take the higher intellectual path at Socrates. This will not be a hard-hitting journalistic interview, although many people do think that I look and sound a little bit like George Stephanopoulos, and a lot like Christian Amunpur. Thank you. Thank you. So there'll be no hard-hitting journalistic questions, nor do I approve of asking flippant questions of someone running for president. I will not, for example, be asking the question, boxers or briefs.

Incidentally, Joe Biden was asked that question recently, Boxers or Briefs. His answer depends. But in all seriousness, we stick to intellectual themes at Socrates. Sometimes the discussion can turn literary. Tonight, I will, among other things, be tipping my hat to Dante Allegieri by asking our distinguished guest what level of hell he believes Anthony Fauci will be consigned to. And that, excuse me, it's a strictly literary question. I put him down with Judas, Brutus, and Cassius, you know, in case in the ice.

That's just, we'll see what Bobby's has to say. Now, I have to be up front. It was a challenge for me to agree to this interview. That's because while I sincerely admire. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., very much. I have nonetheless been very public and very vocal in my support of Joe Biden. I'm just a Biden guy. I have always been a Biden man ever since that night when I sold my soul to the devil.

It was at a crossroads at midnight under a full moon. There was a dead cat involved. And I remember we summoned the ghost of corn. And pop. Anyway, in keeping with the promise I made to Lucifer that night, I wouldn't want to be, by having this forum, want to be seen as giving aid and comfort to anyone challenging Joe Biden. All right, a word on the RFK Jr. moniker, right? I just have to say, with a name like Metaxus, a lot of Greek names and stuff, I don't

understand why Kennedy needs to be shortened. It's a pretty simple, it's a pretty simple name. Is it too complicated? No. Of course, I trace the negative trends in our history to when this happened. You got JFK, get RFK, then you get LBJ. Before you know it, you have JLO and AOC. And I just want to know, I want to ask, Mr. Kennedy, are you proud that your family,

of this legacy of bringing, for example, K-FED into American culture? All right, I think we better get serious for a second here. It is genuinely my honor to have as my guest this evening to talk about America past, present, and future, my esteemed guest, R.FK Jr. Please welcome him. I have a million questions I want to ask you. I want to start, let me just say,

can I, like, throw you an easy one, real easy? What's capital of North Dakota? It's only easy if you know it. Whizmark, he knew it, Bismarck. That's for a Kennedy, that's a song. I knew he would know that. No, I want to start. I mean, two days from now, there's going to be a debate on CNN from which you have been excluded.

I wanted to get your thoughts on that. And do you feel that, well, yeah, just what are your feelings? Because I have to say, you know, that was big news when I read it. And I'm glad you could be with us tonight. Well, first of all, thanks for having me, Eric. I look forward to talking with you. I've been an admirer of years for a long, long time. I'm very, very grateful to be here with everybody.

A few thoughts about the debate. One is that CNN, we know from the Washington Post and other reports, that CNN met with President Trump and President Biden, and that they all agree that I should be excluded from the debating stage. There's an FEC rule that says that, that kind of collusion is illegal, that the networks can stage a debate, but they have to have pre-established and neutral criteria to determine who gets on the stage and is not intended to exclude a particular other campaign.

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Why you never see bright colors on my back. They established criteria. The two exclusionary criteria that they established was one that all the candidates, any candidate to get on this stage, must be on enough ballots in enough states to get 270 electoral votes. And I'm the only one that comes close to qualify for that. because I have enough signatures now to get about 340 electoral votes. And neither President Trump nor President Biden is on the ballot in any state.

They have an expectation that their parties are going to nominate them, and then they will be on the ballot, but at this point they are not. The other criteria they use was CNN picked 12 polling companies. It excluded the most important polling company, which is Harvard Harris, which has got me about 18%. And it chose 12 polling companies and said that whoever, that anybody to get on the stage needed to have a 15% minimum and at least four polls from among those companies.

And we submitted to CNN six polls. They excluded the Harvard Harris poll. they excluded one of those polls, by the way, was a CNN poll that has me at 16% from last month. And they excluded, at the last minute, to get me off, they excluded just arbitrarily

a poll from Monmouth, which was one of the companies they designated in that poll, I think, has me at 17%. And I don't mean to sound like I'm griping because I'm not. but this is something Americans should be concerned about because they had to get rid of the Presidential Commission on Debates, which has been operating all the debates since 1988.

The first debate was my uncle's debate in 60. And since then, there has never been a private company that has owned the presidential debate. It's never happened before. This year, in order to get away from the Presidential Commission, which would have put me on this stage, They cut a side deal with CNN, and it looks fishy. Who cut a side deal?

The Biden and Trump campaigns. And they said during that conversation, both campaigns said, we want to keep Kennedy off the stage. And this is reported by the Washington Post. But it looks particularly fishy because both of those companies are going to get tens of millions minimum and probably hundreds of millions of dollars, or both of those campaigns are going to contribute tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to CNN.

And so it's a conflict of interest, and it really is just a long campaign commercial for those two campaigns. And I, you know, the other thing I would say about it is that CNN, the most consequential political decision over the past, during those two administrations had to do with COVID. And the lockdown of our country for 500 days, which both President Trump and President Biden went along with.

And that decision shifted $4.3 trillion from the American middle class to this new oligarchy of billionaires. They created a billionaire a day in 500 days. 500 new billionaires, and they shut down 3.3 million businesses. They shut down all the churches with no due process, no just compensation. They shut down jury trials and violation to the Seventh Amendment for anybody injured by a countermeasure. They shut down the Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process and just compensation when somebody closed your business and injured your property value.

and they shut down freedom of speech, both of them. So the government started actively censoring for the first time in history, pressuring social media and media companies not to publish critiques of their policies, their political decision. This was very, very consequential for our country, but the biggest cheerleader was CNN. Oh, Jake Tapper was, out there shaming people who, you know, violated mask mandates or who weren't staying in their

homes or who weren't getting the, you know, all of the, the, uh, weren't submitting to the medical interventions that they were demanding. And I feel like somebody should be on that stage asking all three of them about their role in it, not just President Trump and President Biden, but the role of the media, which completely collapsed during COVID. You know, Louis Brandeis said the role of the media in a democracy is to maintain a fierce posture of skepticism toward government authorities and toward official pronouncements. And that was what the media did in this country for the first 285 years of our existence. But in the last decade, in particularly culminating in COVID, you saw the media completely take the opposite. posture. The media became the mouthpiece for government policies. It shamed people who dissented

for them and disagreed. It silenced them. It marginalized them. It gaslit them. People who said that they had an injury from one of the interventions. People complained about the impacts of their children on their school closures. People who said, you don't have any evidence and masks are actually based on science or social distancing. Those people were became heretics and had to be silenced and discredited and burned. And the media was leading that rather than being skeptical towards government authority. So, you know, I think it's disturbing the exercise. We're going to do a kind of a live stream that includes me in the debate on X.

And, you know. So while the debate is happening on CNN, you are going to do, describe it again. We're going to do a live stream that will have me at a podium. It'll kind of look like I'm on this stage with. But CNN has said, this is proprietary, and we're going to sue you if you do that. And we're going to do it anyway. Oh. Elon who's supporting us on this.

You're talking about Elon Musk? Yeah. Because he and I are not on a first-name basis. I just want to be clear. I know you'd assume that. There's only one Elon. But yes, I know. So far.

Yeah. So far. Well, no, but so you're going to be doing something during the debate where you're doing commentary. It's a little bit like mystery science theater. What? I'll be answering the questions. How are you going to find time? In other words, I'm not clear on how that's going to work.

This is a miracle of technology. There'll be a slight delay, but we're going to catch up with them during the – there's two breaks. And, you know, so it'll be – we don't know if we'll pull it off, but we're going to do it. Do you feel – I think – I think – I think – It strikes me that, I mean, one of the reasons that I wanted to talk to you is because you've been very bold in saying things that, quote-unquote, you're not supposed to say. And as you just said, the mainstream media has been, I mean, complicit is actually a nice word. They have been profoundly guilty, really, in going along with certain narratives. It seems to me because of that, not just CNN, but the mainstream media so-called,

has effectively been censoring you. They particularly dislike you because you've taken them on. So I want to ask you to respond to that and also to talk about where do you get that from, that idea that you're going to be talking about things, even going way back to speaking critically of vaccines. What's the provenance of that kind of thinking on your part? Let me answer the first question and then get a clarification from you on what the second question is. The first question is, I've been censored for many years in a way that's not illegal.

It's corporate censorship. There's two kinds of censorship. One is I was saying things beginning in 2005 when I started talking about vaccines. And by the way, I got dragged into that controversy kicking and screaming. It's not something that I wanted to do. I got there because I was litigating at that time in about 40 suits. And I'll go back a little. In 2003, the National Academy of Sciences and the FDA joint published a study that showed that every Frenchwater fish in America had dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh.

I'm sorry, every what? freshwater fish. Every freshwater fish. Yeah, it had dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh. So I was at that time the founder and leader of the biggest water protection group in the world. And it was started by commercial recreational fishermen here on the Hudson. But it spread so that we had 350 patrol boats on waterways all over North America and 46 other countries. For 10 years, Patriot Mobile has been America's only Christian conservative wireless provider.

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This report really shook people up because we knew there was a lot of mercury in tunas, but this is all the freshwater fish. And tuna is not a freshwater fish. That's what I'm saying. We all knew about tuna and swordfish. Right. Right. People didn't know about, you know, that largemouthed, smallmouth bass, brim, crappy, yellow, perchwater, white, perch musk. I mean, I've literally never heard this until now.

Yeah. Every freshwater fish that they tested. So we started, and the mercury was coming from coal-burning power plants. Some of it was coming from mining in the western states, but most of it was coming from cement kilns and coal-burning power plants. I had about 40 lawsuits in Canada and the United States against those plants for emitting mercury. And I was lecturing around the country, try to get legislative. legislation, et cetera. These women would show up at every one of my lectures, and they weren't the

same. They were different, but they would always arrive early. They'd sit in the front seats, and then afterward they'd come up to me, and they were always very well-dressed, very well-spoken and very well-informed, and they were, they would tell me in a very respectful but vaguely scolding way. If you really are concerned about mercury, um, explosion. to children, you need to look at vaccines. And as it turns out, they were all the mothers of intellectually disabled children, who they believed had been injured by the vaccines, mercury or aluminum in the vaccines.

You said intellectually disabled, so not just autistic around the so-called spectrum. They had all kinds of intellectual disabilities, but a lot of them were related to, to autism, their ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, ticks, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism. The autism rates expanded dramatically. My generation, 70-year-old men, the autism rate is one in 10,000 today, right now. The autism rate in my children's generation is one every 34 kids, one in every 22 boys. And it's higher in states like New Jersey and Utah.

And I've literally never seen anybody with full-blown autism my age. You know, by full-blown autism, I mean non-verbal, non-toilet train, head banging, stimming, toe-walking, hand flapping. Never seen it. And I've been around intellectual disabilities my whole life. My Aunt Eunice Shriver was the founder of Special Olympics, and I worked in Camp Shriver, which became Special Olympics in 1968. I worked as a hugger and a coach from when I was seven years old every weekend. I worked for 200 hours in Wasayakon, the retarded up in near Pauling, New York, when I was in high school. And so I was around this, part of my family DNA.

I never saw anybody like who had anybody during my early years who had autism. It just started appearing, and it dramatically appeared. In fact, Congress said to the EPA, what year did the autism become an epidemic, and EPA came back? And EPA is a captive agency, but it's captive by oil, coal, and chemical industry. It's not captive by pharma. And it came back with an honest study, and it said, in 1989, it's a red line. this tsunami started in the 89.

In the 89, a lot of these other injuries suddenly appeared. That we now see that are now, you know, when my uncle was president, 6% of Americans in chronic disease, today is 60% too. And it's the biggest bill on our national budget is five times the military budget, the bill for chronic disease, $4.3 trillion a year. and all these other chronic diseases appeared on the same timeline food allergies if you're my age you never know anybody i 11 siblings i had 70 first cousins some of them are here i saw them they're not uh but i never knew anybody with a peanut allergy why do five of my seven kids have food allergies something happened right

nobody ever saw this before um eczema suddenly appeared asthma suddenly appeared asthma antiflex, all these allergies. Asthma was around. I had a brother who had asthma. His doctor told him there will never be a cure for asthma because it's so rare that nobody will ever study it.

And today, one out of every black kids in New York City has asthma. Oh, you know, all of this happened around 1988 and then all the autoimmune diseases. Juvenile diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, Crohn's disease, all these

exotic disease that we never heard of that are now everywhere. Why 1989? Let me give you one other example. When I was a kid, a typical pediatrician would see one case of diabetes in his career, a 40-year career, one case of juvenile diabetes. Today, in America, one out of every three kids who walks through his office story, is pre-diabetic or diabetic, it's caused that just that one category of diseases

is greater than our military budget. Nobody's saying anything about it. It's the biggest issue. Because, you know, if our economy collapses, the dollar collapses, the global reserve currency, we have wars, whatever. We're resilient people.

We're tough. We're innovative. We're entrepreneurial. We can recover from anything. we can't recover from this. And if you have one of these lifelong diseases, your soul is crushed. You're dependent on pharma and drugs and they never get it right.

There's a whole generation of kids that are damaged today. And they're damaged in ways that we see and they're damaged in ways that we don't see. You might have heard Mike Lindell and My Pillo no longer have the support of their box stores or shopping channels the way they used to. Yes, it's because of cancel culture. As a result, they get to pass the savings on to you directly by having a $25 extravaganza. When Mike started MyPillow, it was just a one product company.

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There's a very famous scientist, toxicologist, here in New York, and Phil Landrygan, who I've used as I've witnessed in many, many of my cases. He has a claim to be the most important toxicologists in the country. He's looked at this issue, and he said there's about 13 things that it could be, but it's probably a combination of all of them. Our kids are swimming around in a toxic soup. Their glyphosate in Roundup, Neonicotid pesticide, atrazine, which is in 60, 3% of our water supply.

PFOAs and PFAS, which I litigated on, and they made a film about my case called Dark Waters, starring Mark Ruffalo. These are the forever chemicals that are in, that are flame retardants. They put in all of our furniture that year. They put it in our children's pajamas. You keep saying, so that's 8 and 89.

Around that time. High fructose corn syrup. Cell phone rate, Wi-Fi radiation, you know, fluoride is part of it, but it doesn't really follow the timeline, but all of these chemicals operate along the same biological pathways. So it's probably accumulation of these that injures people, and the kids you see injure are kids who have a poor mitochondrial function. So that mitochondria are the energy centers of their cells, and you can stress them so much, and they will recover. But,

But if you stress them too much, they collapse, and then there's a cascading effect that results in severe brain damage. And these kids are probably just hitting one too many exposure. And, but anyway, the vaccine, what happened with vaccines is in 1986, the vaccine, when I was a kid, I had three vaccines. And I was fully compliant. My kids have 72 vaccines. Today, this generation is going to have the 79 because of the COVID vaccine, the annual COVID vaccine. Oh, and the big change was 1989.

And what happened was in the late 70s, they created a new vaccine called the diphtheria tetanus and protesis vaccine, and that vaccine was very reactogenic. A lot of kids were getting injured. One out of every 300 kids was dying or having permanent brain damage. The Wyeth, which was the biggest producer, went to the Reagan White House and said to Reagan, and by the way, my uncle, the Democrats were all, my uncle was ahead of the Health Committee. He was part of this, too.

And they went to him and said, we're losing $20 in downstream liability for every dollar that we make in profits, and we're all going to get out of the vaccine business, unless you give us blanket immunity from liability. Oh, Reagan went along with it, and they passed. that the Vaccine Act in 1986, and all of a sudden, these companies were immune from liability. Well, the biggest cause for every medicine is downstream liability, is the injuries that they cause, that you have to pay them off. Now they had this product where you're immune from that.

And there's a couple of other things about that product. One, vaccines were exempt from the very beginning from safety studies. it's the only medical product that is not safety tested before you. Every other medical product has placebo-controlled trials that are five or seven years because you have side effects that have long diagnostic horizons, long incubation period, so you have to watch what happens for a long period of time. Vaccines are exempt. Why?

Because the vaccine program was developed by the public health service, which was CDC's predecessor agency, and the public health service is a military agency. It's one of the five uniformed military services. That's why they have ranks like Surgeon General. And the vaccine program was developed is that as a national security defense against biological attacks against our country.

So they wanted to make sure if the Russians attacked us with anthrax or some of their biological age, and we could quickly formulate a vaccine, employ it to 280 million Americans with no regulatory impediments. And they said, if we call it a medicine, we're going to have to do a five or seven-year safety test. So let's call it something else. We'll call it biologic, and we will exempt biologics from safety tests. What year are we, is this Dick Cheney?

No, that was much, much earlier. This was just, this is how it evolved from, you know, the small-box vaccines and the polio vaccines. None of them ever had to be tested for safety. So they were tested for efficacy. Do they prevent the disease? Yes. But are there other bad things that happen? We don't know.

So you don't know the risk profile. And so none of them were subjected. And then the third advantage they had. So that, the exempt from safety testing, saves them $250 million. And they have another huge advantage, which is they don't have to do any advertising or marketing because the federal government is ordering 76 million kids to consume the product. So they have an automatic market. Then also, NIH makes them and formulates them,

and then they give them to the pharmaceutical industry. So every step of the economy, it is the perfect product. And there was a gold rush to put more and more vaccines on the schedule to mandate them to kids, because if you can get it mandated, it's a billion-dollar guaranteed profit for you. So all of these companies have four big businesses, of four big companies, all of them, you know, were committing criminal acts in their other parts of their business, you know, Vioxx and all this. They killed half a million people knowingly

and had to pay $7 billion in criminal penalties. The same company. With this product, they can never get caught. They can never be held. I want to cut to the chase. What you're describing sounds to me like evil. When you're talking about human beings knowingly doing what you're talking about, knowing they're going to make money and being willing to get away with that, in the interest of time, I'll just call that evil. Were you... Upton Sinclair.

I did not expect people to bring up you to bring up Upton Sinclair. I want to be honest. But go ahead, go ahead. You said something very wise, which is useful. which is that it's very hard to persuade a man of a fact if the existence of that fact will diminish his salary. We all, as human beings, have the capacity for self-delusion, and we can convince ourselves that what we're doing is saving lives

and that maybe there's a few necessary collateral damage. But, you know, we're saving millions of people from polio and measles and smallpox, So the people who complain about it have to be silenced and gaslit, and it's probably not that many anyway. There's a continuum when we're talking about people in the industry. Since he wrote a book about Anthony Fauci, let me ask you, do you think that he genuinely believes that what he has done is a good thing?

One of the things I did with that book and what I try to do with all of my writing is I never look into. his head. So I don't know I don't know how conscious he is but what I show is what he did and it's clear that he

knew what he was doing on many of these was wrong because he then would go up afterwards and actively deceive people and covered up so but I can't tell exactly what's going on

his head or Bill Gates' head. I can tell you that he played this extraordinary role in history, which was as the architect of the capture of one of the

greatest federal agencies in American history and world history. NIH was the premier scientific agency, research agency on earth. When I was growing up, it was revered all around the world. And it was old standard medicine, and it was very careful, and it had, you know, people like Bernice, Eddie, these great heroes of science and medicine. And only America had that.

There's no other nation in the world that had anything like NIH. I lived 10 minutes from NIH when I was a kid. There was a scientist who worked who was married to a woman who worked for my mother, and I wanted to be a scientist when I was growing up. So I would go to NIA. NIH all the time and look through the microscopes and see the mice and the rats and the guinea pigs and the cages and you know that was just fascinating to me but what happened in 1980 we passed a law called the by dole act and it was about the time that Anthony Fauci almost exactly the time that he took over NIH he'd been there since 68 and he took over an 80 and the bi dolac said that scientists who worked for NIH and NIH itself

If they assist in researching a drug that then becomes profitable, they can collect royalties on it. So, for example, the Moderna vaccine is owned by NIH, 50%. Oh, half the profits from Moderna go to NIH. and there are six individuals at NIH who make $150,000 a year forever. They're the high-level individuals who have marching rights for the patents. And so, you know, that kind of relationship destroyed NIH. And NIH became the biggest incubator for pharmaceutical products. It stopped doing real science, and it just develops products for the companies.

I think in 2016, there were 220 new drugs approved by FDA, and 100% of them came out of NIH. So you have, and people there are making money on it. And these are the regulators that are supposed to be looking for problems in the products to protect our health. They're paying their mortgage on that. They're buying their boats. They're putting their kids through school.

They're paying their alimony. We'll be right back with more of this conversation at the top of the hour. Everywhere I go, I meet homeschoolers. They are the most mature, socially mature, educated, bright young people that I ever meet. And so everywhere I go, I get the opportunity. I say it, you should homeschool your kids. Get them out of these satanic Marxist indoctrination camps that we call the public education system. get them either in quality Christ-centered K-12 education or in homeschooling.

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