The Eric Metaxas Show - Robert Morgan

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

Robert Morgan is back with more facts from his new book, "The 50 Final Events in World History: The Bible’s Last Words on Earth’s Final Days," that pair what is revealed in Scripture with what is happening across the globe today."

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and we're talking about the discoveries at Shiloh. You can find more at digshiloh.org. And I really do digshiloh. Digshiloh.org. You just mentioned to me that you had been one of the archaeologists working at Telhaman. Is that how we say it? Tell el Hamam. Tell el Hamam, which we now know to be biblical Sodom,

that you were there with Dr. Collins working on it. Yeah, from the beginning, the first six seasons. But maybe what your listeners may find interesting is that in a different time period related to what we're talking about the conquest, Tal al-Hamamam is none other than Shatim of Joshua 2-1, Joshua 3-1, numbers 251, where the Israelites spent the last few months of the 40 years before they crossed over. The epicenter of it is Tal-Al-Hamam. And so when we talk about from Shatim to Shiloh, for example, for the beginning of the conquest to the end of the conquest, that's our anchor point. Well, okay, so when we were talking just a moment ago about Shiloh, for three centuries that goes on, what happened to it?

I'm just curious. I mean, if Solomon says, okay, now we're going to build a real temple temple, what happens to Shiloh? I mean, it was this incredibly sacred place. Okay. Jeremiah 712, God tells the prophet Jeremiah, go now to Shiloh, see what I did there because of their wickedness and make it known. Shiloh was destroyed, and God uses it as an object lesson in Jeremiah's time because the temple in Jerusalem is about to be destroyed. And his point is, don't think I won't bring punishment upon you. Go see what I did at Shiloh. Okay. Now, we know that the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed about 600 BC. 587, yeah, right, BC. We know that, or many of us know that, but the idea that Shiloh was destroyed, I don't know that I have heard that. Okay, well, I'll give you the short version.

First Samuel 3, we have the Philistines at war with the Israelites at the Battle of Ebenezer. And so they send the Ark of the Covenant from Shiloh to Ebenezer to the Battle of Afek. And there not only are they defeated, but the sons of Eli are killed, and the Ark is captured. I mean, it is tragic. Eli gets the news, he falls over backward and breaks his neck, because he was a pretty fat guy. He was a big old guy. He falls over, breaks his neck. But anyway, the Bible hints at the fact that the Philistines destroyed Shiloh, but it doesn't come out and say it. Psalm 78, same thing. It suggests it. But what we can now tell you after our excavation is that we have clear archaeological evidence

that indeed they did destroy it. We have the destruction layer. Now, when you say the destruction layer, what do you mean? In other words, they destroyed it by fire. How did they destroy it? Yeah, there's a big burn layer. And we had a plastered floor. And so above that plastered floor, we have clearly datable pottery. So I told our team underneath this floor, which seals the locust, that means it hasn't been contaminated.

I said, if we've got a destruction layer underneath here, we're going to carbon date it. We're going to have good pottery as well. And it's going to date to about 1075 BC. that is exactly what our carbon dates came in at. So that's the Palestinian destruction. A plaster floor? Who made this plaster floor? Why is there a plaster floor there?

Israelites did. In antiquity, they had, in a floor of a house, or whatever the structure is, they had plastered their floor. But they plastered over the destruction. That's right. So after the destruction. They return and they rebuild at the site. That's right. And what would they rebuild at Shiloh?

In other words, you've got. It's invinerated. You have a process. that is there that the Bible talks about going and seeing the prophet at Shiloh. So it's still a venerated site. Okay. But it's no longer the cultic center of Israel. Don't you ever feel like you're cheating because you know that what the Bible says is true? So there isn't much of a chance you know that you're not going to find what it says. It's like somebody's giving you the playbook. It's a dream come true. Yes. But just because we don't

find evidence. Let's say that the Bible says a site was burned and we didn't find the burn layer. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Well, sure, okay? Because the wind could have come along or the rain and blown something away. But the truth is that most of the time, there are remnants that we're able to find. Well, it is amazing. It's absolutely amazing. How far back do you think we can go? Do you think anyone will ever discover evidence of the Tower of Babel? Do we know where the Shinar plane is? I think we do, and I think you could go back that far. What we've tried to do is to sort of systematically go from the known to the unknown. So we know a date for Sodomond's Temple around 967 BC.

We now, I think, have a clear date for the exodus and the conquest period. And as you keep moving from the known to the unknown, I think we will be able to nail down that timeline so that we're looking in the right time, in the right place for the right stuff. Have you seen anything about what they discovered in Nazareth, this professor from Reading in England, University of Reading, and discovered a first century, yeah, discovered a first century home underneath the church, underneath the church. What do you make of that? Because when I looked into it, I said, it seems pretty obvious what this is, but this should

be front page news in every paper in the country. I mean, in my book, I actually write about that. the idea that the fact that they're being so diffident as though, well, we're not sure. When things synchronized with the Bible, Eric, then were attacked, all right? As if because I'm an evangelical that I can't be, I can't bifurcate and I'm not going to be intellectually honest, it's just utterly ridiculous. And Ken Dark went through the same thing. But it seems to me like Ken Dark, the impression I got is that he is himself shy about sharing this,

that the book that was published a year ago, unless you're ready to. It varies the lead so dramatically that it struck me as comic and pathetic. Unless you're willing to take shrapnel, then some scholars are hesitant to make big announcements. Yeah. Let me tell you something about... We're not calling that cowardice. I want to be very clear. No, he's just by nature a little more cautious, probably.

Absolutely. Let me tell you something about Nazareth as we get ready for resurrection coming up, celebrating Easter season. We have an inscription from Nazareth called the Nazareth inscription, and it most likely dates to Tiberius season. So Jesus is born under Augusta Caesar, he dies under Tiberius Caesar, and here's what it says in a few words. I, Caesar, hereby decree the death penalty for anyone who robs graves in Palestine, not throughout the Roman Empire, only in Palestine. It seems that we've got a problem with bodies disappearing from graves in Palestine around AD 33.

And of course, Matthew 2751 says that when Jesus came out of the tomb, many others came out of their tombs as well, and were seen walking around the Holy City. Is the Nazareth inscription a direct response to the resurrection? Well, I have read about that, and I would say the question is still open, but it sure sounds like it, and it's at least fascinating. Regarding the Ken Dark discovery, I mentioned it in my first. my book, but if you go to Amazon to find this book that he finally published about it, it's like comedy. If you're looking for any news about the discovery of the birthplace, you know, the childhood home of Jesus, it's so buried that it's like they're ashamed of it. And I guess when you think about the significance of this, the idea that we could have found the home of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus,

it's almost unbelievable. It's datable, though, Eric, those of us who are ceramicists. Oh, no, I don't mean unbelievable in a sense of actually unbelievable. No, I know. It's so astonishing that I can't believe in my lifetime we could be talking about this. It shouldn't even be a debate. Okay, we could take pottery and put 10,000 pottery shards out here, and those of us who are ceramicists can separate them into time period.

And on the first century shards, I could separate it into decades. So the fact that he found this pottery in situ, there's no doubt the dating of it it's a home from the first century in nazareth yeah it's nuts if you want details you can read my book is atheism dead uh folks uh let me encourage you to go to scott stripling dot net and dig shiloh dot org and also to the bible seminary dot edu scott stripling a joy to have you on the program thank you it's been a pleasure thank you erie tell me eric why is relief factors so successful at lowering or eliminating pain. I'm often asked that question. The owners of Relief Factor tell me they believe our bodies were designed to heal. That's right, designed to heal,

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Well, guess what? I am sitting here with my friend Robert J. Morgan, whom you can find at Robert J.Morgan.com, who has a book out, a brand new book, brand new book called The 50 Final Events in World History. Now, I've got to say, when we met at the NRB in Nashville, because you're from that area, and you showed me this book, I said,

there is a title, I want to know right away, What are the 50 final events in world history? So Robert Morgan, welcome back. Thank you. Thank you very much. And thank you for letting me talk to you about this book. Because it's such a compelling thing. You're a pastor.

You've written many, many books. We talked about your book, The Jordan River Rules, very recently. But the new book, the idea that there are 50 final events in world history. So I just want to put it to you, okay, the Bible's last words about Earth, final days. What happens? This is a study of the book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible, and I've been studying Revelation for 45 years. And I love that book, and I think so many people are intimidated by it. But Eric, all of the other 65 books of the Bible lead to Revelation. And all of the 22 chapters of Revelation lead to heaven. It's a very hopeful book. And it's

very important. It is the capstone of scripture. And many preachers never preach from it. Many Christians don't understand it, but we cannot understand the times we are living in if we don't understand where history is going. And the book of Revelation lays out the series of events that will take place, and if you take it sequentially, the way that you would read any other book, then it is a very simple outline of things to come. And as we read and understand the book of Revelation, it puts everything else in perspective. I think the reason a lot of people maybe avoid revelation is for good and for ill in the sense that the good reason you avoid it is because it seems confusing. It seems complicated. There's so much controversy. There's so much

argument about, you know, it says it's going to be, this is going to happen. No, that's going to happen, or this can I. You have people who kind of focus so much on revelation that they make it a, you know, a question of your salvation, if you're pre-trib, post-trib, whatever it is. So it just seems to some people confusing and off-putting. But my wife and I've been reading through it recently, and it's been quite a while, and I am in awe of the language. I just thought, have I ever read anything like this? I mean, there's really nothing in the scripture quite like there's a few passages here and there, but there is nothing like the book of revelation in terms of there's an authority and a power that's somewhat frightening and you realize

this is God. There's no other explanation. I don't see any human being in any society being able to write something. I mean, I dare you folks, read the book of revelation. It is chillingly powerful. So when a pastor who studied it like you for so long is able to kind of break it down, I'm obviously interested. Well, two things. First of all, the portrait of Jesus in the Bible is incomplete without the finishing brushstrokes of Revelation when we see him in all of his glory

and all of his majesty and thrown forever. And so we need Revelation to fulfill the biblical portrait of Jesus. Secondly, the book itself is remarkably simple. I think that I can explain it to a middle schooler. That's the thesis of my book here. Right, okay. Chapter 1 is interoperable. Yeah. Chapters 2 and 3 are messages to the individual churches who are the first recipients

of this book in order to prepare them for the material. And then chapters 4 through 18 tell the story of what the Bible calls the tribulation. Chapters 4 and 5 are in heaven when the celebration begins because the tribulation is starting on earth, which will judge evil and prepare the way for Christ to come again. Chapter 6 through 11 are the first half of the tribulation. 12 and 13, the middle of the tribulation, 14 through 18, the end of the tribulation. Jesus comes in chapter 19. He sets up his kingdom in chapter 20, and we have heaven, eternity described vividly for us in chapters 21 and 22. Well, you've summed it up pretty quickly. It's amazing because we do, that's, listen,

that's why, you know, I always say, folks, you need to find a church. You need to be sitting under teaching so that these things make. sense because they do make sense, but unless you really hear someone like Robert Morgan explain it, it just might be too much. But you have just, you know, in a few seconds, kind of given us the outline. So let's go back. The first, we're familiar with, I mean, the context, Jesus appears to John on the Isle of Patmos. So this is, you know, something like 90 or 95 AD. John, who was a very young man in the Gospels, is now an old man. He's the only one left alive of all of the disciples.

Yes. And the Lord appears to him in what can only be described as one of the most extraordinary visions in the history of the world, maybe the most extraordinary. Yeah. Yes. And it's not all symbolic. I think there is some overlays of symbolism there. Yes, yes. But when it says that his face shines like the sun, he radiates.

light. That's the way Jesus is. In Revelation chapter one, we get a glimpse of Jesus as he is right now in his glorified body enthroned in heaven. And it's glorious. It's wonderful. It sets the stage for the rest of the book. We only get a glimpse of that in the Gospels on the Mount of Transfiguration. So in just a moment where Peter, James, and John see him as he is, they fall down. I mean, we can't imagine what would it be like for somebody to shine like the sun. I mean, it just brings tears to your eyes thinking about who he is, and that is veiled while he's here. But in Revelation, that is how he appears to his friend, John. Yes, that's the way that we'll see him in heaven.

I think God will give us, you know, when Paul saw that same thing on the Damascus Road, it blinded him instantly because his eyes just couldn't take in the glory of Jesus. I think in heaven will have glorified eyes. But that picture in Revelation 1 is the way, if we could look up to heaven and see him right now, that's the way Jesus, I think, would appear to us. And the radiant glory and majesty and glory and authority, it's very bracing to us right now to know that that Jesus is overruling our lives now. Yeah, we need that. I mean, I need that. And it is beautiful. So he appears, And of course, the first thing he does is he gives these seven letters, these words to each of those seven churches. I guess we call them candlestick churches, right?

That each of these, at that time, in the latter part of the first century, had a unique role. It was the church the gospel hadn't gone all over the world. There were just a few of these centers of faith and they were being persecuted. These are the seven churches and revelation that John was connected with in his. his circuit of preaching, and they were going to become the first recipients of God's secret information that no one had ever had before about the future. And so in a few verses, the Lord Jesus evaluates every church, says, here are your strengths, here are your weaknesses, work on this, work on that. And Eric, as we read those two chapters, we can identify with them and say, well,

I need to work on this, I need to work on that. So it is a diagnostic tool for us, those two chapters and for our churches today to help us be as strong as we can be. And so just to get this right, because it seems like I'm learning this from you here, so obviously there's a church in Rome, there's a church in Corinth, whatever, but these letters are only to the churches that John has been overseeing to those seven churches. John was the bishop, as we know from good authority, in Ephesus, the church that Paul had started. So evidently he had a circuit and he would go from one to the other and it's today we would call it Western Turkey along the coast. And so these seven churches were the ones that he was

most familiar with and they would become the first recipients of these letters. So the only one of these churches to which we have an epistle is Ephesus. Yes. Well we have Ephesus was the recipient of the letter that Paul wrote to the Ephesians. It was the recipient of first and second Timothy, because Timothy before John had been the bishop there, first, second, and third John were written from Ephesus, and then Ephesus was the leading church to receive the information from Revelation. Wow. It was a major center of Christianity. I love learning this kind of thing, and in case anybody thinks I already knew this, I didn't. So you're saying that these seven churches, in Asia Minor, in what's today, Western Turkey,

were the first ones to get the book of Revelation. Yes. The transmission of Revelation is given, interestingly, in Chapter 1, that God the Father gave it to Christ. Christ gave it to an angel. An angel gave it to John. John passed it on to the churches. The churches have passed it on to us,

and what I'm trying to do in this book is to pass it on to other people. All right. Well, you are doing that. Folks, I'm talking to Robert J. Morgan. You can find them at Robert J.Morgan.com. And the book is The 50 final events in world history. We'll be right back. In case you haven't been paying attention,

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the 50 final events in world history. It's true because we think, you know, events in history, what could they be? But the Bible tells us. And I think there are a lot of people who shrink from believing revelation. It's too much. It's overwhelming to think that this is going to happen. So talk about that. Well, the more that we read Revelation and the more that we read the headlines, the more they're merging together,

the things that we read in Revelation, I'm just astonished at how plausible they are right now. Do you know, Eric, that all it will take is one man pushing a button or another man somewhere breaking a test tube. And the entire human race could be annihilated. This is the first time in history that these kind of global cataclysms are possible. And the Book of Revelation, when you read it,

it talks about things that are happening today. If you Google the end of the earth, you'll not get preachers. You'll get scientists and you'll get experts talking about the possibility that global events can occur. And these are described in advance in the Book of Revelation, whether it's the contamination of the water, the contamination of the air, solar flares and strange things happening

with the sun, the super volcanoes, and pandemics and wars, all of these things. And so for the first time, really, in history, you know, Israel came into existence in 1948. And Israel plays a prominent role in the events of the Book of Revelation and the global catastrophic events that we can see on the horizon are all embedded in this book. We can see it unfolding. And we have to be clear, this is true. In other words, if we were talking 100 years ago, it was not possible for human beings to wipe out life on planet Earth. Today, it absolutely is possible to wipe out life on planet Earth. There's just no way around it. We have the technology. We have the technology. It's not like we have the possibility of the tech. We have the technology and we have a global

environment that did not exist before. And I mean, scripture says too in the last days, you know, knowledge will flow to, will be increased. And you think, well, there is little question that that is happening. I mean, we have an infinity of information traveling and traveling and we have connectability. And so it is at least interesting that we are in the times when these things can happen. They could not have happened realistically much before now. And the book of Revelation predicts that there will be a leader who will gain control of the globe. It's not going to happen easily or quickly. But we are living in a time now when you don't have to be a conspiracist to realize that there are forces out there trying to move the world

towards globalism and towards a one-world government. And so the Book of Revelation is very relevant for us today. It helps us to understand the events that we are seeing, but it also fills us with hope. This is the most hopeful book in the Bible. Everything is leading towards the return of Christ. And, Eric, I believe the simplest way, I think I can demonstrate this,

the simplest way of understanding the Book of Revelation is to take the various events sequentially, one after another. And if you do that, it's not that difficult to understand this book. Well, so let's go through some of them in the time that we have. What are the things that we can talk about? What are some of the events that we can talk about? Well, in Revelation 4 and 5, we see a great celebration in heaven. And there is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

When Jesus receives a scroll, and it has seven wax seals, and when he begins snapping that seal, that is the beginning of what we call the tribulation, the seven-year period. And there are six and seven different events that occur. One is the emergence of a powerful military leader who goes out trying to solve big problems and to conquer the world. In the light of that, there is warfare. In the light of that, there is famine. And in the light of that, there is death.

But also, interesting, later in this time, millions of people are going to come to the Lord Jesus. Many of them will be martyred. And we call these the seven seals. And it's seven great events that will take place. And that's followed by seven trumpets. And as these trumpets blow, then events take place catastrophic events that are very reminiscent of the plagues of Egypt. Yeah. In fact, if you want to know what the tribulation period will look like,

just go back and study Moses and the plagues of Egypt. That's a miniature version. And so these things unfolds sequentially as you go through the book, one event after the other. It is undeniably chilling. As my wife and I were reading it, we just had to stop and say, wow, wow, wow. I mean, it's heavy, heavy stuff.

And if your eyes aren't on Jesus, your heart would fail. You would say, I don't know, I don't want to be around. but we know that if our eyes are on him, we will be hope for those around us. And so in a funny way, too, I think that when things like this happen, it really reveals things as they are. We all know we're going to die. We know we're not going to be here forever. So the only question is, how do we leave? When do we leave?

And if we know who Jesus is, we don't fear leaving this planet. We don't fear dying. and you think, well, the greatest thing to do would be to die as a martyr. What a glorious honor. I know I'm not worthy of that honor. But we're talking to Robert Morgan. The book is The 50 Final Events in World History, Robert J.Morgan.com. We'll be right back.

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Or call 800, 978, 3097. That's 800, 978 3057. To use the promo code, Eric. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Robert J.Morgan, Robert J.Morgan. Robert J.Morgan.com. the brand new book is the 50 final events in world history, the Bible's last words on Earth's final days. So we were just saying, Robert, that on the one hand, this is chilling, but on the other hand, it's profoundly hopeful.

So talk about that. Well, it's very good to know beforehand what's going to happen. And so when you open the book of Revelation, you have that chapter one is introduction, chapter two and three, the messages to the seven churches. Chapter 4 and 5 is a celebration in heaven because evil is about to be dealt with. And then you have these seven seals that are opened and catastrophic things happen on earth, not because God is not a good God, but because it is time for evil to be judged. The kind of evil that we see with Vladimir Putin, he's a little miniature portrait of a coming Antichrist. What he is doing in Ukraine is a miniature portrait of what's going to happen all over the world,

through these dictators that are evil, and God's going to deal with that. And these seven seals, and then the seven Trumpic judgments, deal with evil. And during all of that time, Israel is going to be thriving. But then when you come to Revelation 11 and 12 and 13, you come to the middle of the tribulation when things shift. And Daniel and Jesus and Paul all talk about when this powerful coming leader goes to Jerusalem and places his image in the temple and the Jewish state will refuse to bow down to him. That will begin the last half of the tribulation. Now, three and a half years. That is, uh, talk about chilling, uh, the idea. I mean, first of all, we've been so blessed in our lives. We, we, we, we, none of us has had to deal with Hitler or, I mean, there have been satanic

leaders, uh, in the recent past. And, excuse me, millions have had to deal with that. And so when you see that level of evil, you long for heaven. You long for Jesus's return. When everything is going pretty great, you go, well, you know, let it ride. Everything's fine. I don't want to. But these things have happened in history.

And the only question is, are you looking to Jesus in the middle of it or not? That's really the question. Yes. But what you just mentioned, the idea that this leader will put the abomination of desolation in the temple. So this presupposes that there will be a Jewish temple. Now, clearly we don't have a Jewish temple. So we know this isn't happening anytime particularly soon, if that's, if I'm reading it right. That's true. But there are forces within Israel preparing for that third temple. You know, there are, they've already got all of the elements made for it. They've got the candelabra. They've got

the, all of the furnishings from the temple. I have heard about this. I've heard people breeding red heifers. We're not going to get into that. But, the point is, I've heard about this. The question is, what would it take? And again, this gets into crazy stuff. What would it take? I mean, the temple mount is currently the abode of this, the temple of, the dome of the rock, the dome of the rock, and the eloxa mosque. In, that's what's, what's there now. So you cannot imagine Jews building a temple. So I, I kind of can't help but wonder what in the world will be coming. And I don't know, but something is going to happen. And when you think that Iran is probably going to have, if not already, a nuclear weapon,

when you think of all of the enemies that Israel has, now there's wonderful with the Abraham Accords, there's wonderful alliances being made, but that's a very volatile region. But something is going to happen that will allow the Jewish people to rebuild that temple, either on the temple mount or in some way. I can't predict exactly how it's going to be. But Daniel and Jesus and Paul and John all say there is coming a day when this great ruler will establish his image in the Jewish temple. So I'm not surprised that Israel is back in the land after 2,000 years of non-existence.

Oh, we didn't mention that. What do you need for these things to happen? While you need Israel back in the land, that happened. And until 1948, it had never happened for 2,000 years. Here we are. The stage is clearly being set. Absolutely. And then in 67, they got control of Jerusalem.

And so something is going to happen that will rebuild, that will allow some sort of rebuilding of that temple because it is repeated 10 times in the Bible that the abomination of desolation, will be set there, and that will trigger the great tribulation the last three and a half years when the armies of the world come against Israel to try to destroy the Jewish state to prevent the return of Christ. Now, what do you make of people who say that when Antiochus Epiphanus did something like this, that that's what John is writing about in the latter part of the first century?

You're saying maybe that's a prefigurement, but that he's not. He is the writing about something in the future as well. He is the biblical type of Antichrist. You know, John is the one in his first and second epistle that used the word Antichrist. And he said the Spirit of the Antichrist is already in the world. I mean, John has a remarkable verse.

Just, I can't get over this verse in Chapter 4 of 1st, John, that we are the children of God and the whole world is under the control of the evil one. The whole political world, the whole academic world. Yeah. the whole military world. And so Antiochus Epiphanes, Antiochus IV, was a forerunner. If you want to know what the tribulation is like, you can look at Pharaoh with Egypt. You can look at Antiochus Epiphanes between the Old and New Testaments. You can look at Hitler. There is a pattern in history.

Haman, you know, in the days of Esther, a pattern in history of people trying to destroy the nation of Israel, which is God's channel of redemption, bringing the Messiah and of the world. It is amazing. It is amazing. And it's so interesting, too, when you think about what do Muslims around the world think is going to happen? What do Jews around the world think is going to happen?

They've got different versions of this. And so, you know, you can imagine that if something will enable the Jews to build a temple on the temple mount, it will be utterly glorious. But we will know that in some ways, of course, it is glorious, but it is leading to the things that you write about in this book. I'm so excited to read the book, and I imagine anybody listening will be excited to read it. It's called The 50 Final Events in World History. And your website is Robert J.Morgan.com. When we come back, we'll continue the conversation with Robert Morgan about his book,

the 50 final events in world history don't go away. Folks, welcome back talking to Robert J. Morgan about his book, The 50 Final Events in World History. So what's left? Well, so chapter one is introduction, two and three or to the churches, four through 18 is the tribulation, and in chapter 19, Jesus returns. That is the chapter which vividly describes the return of Christ at the Battle of Armageddon in which he delivers Israel, sets up his kingdom.

And then the last two chapters of the Bible, Eric, are the most wonderful chapters of what heaven is going to be like. I mean, if you want to know where we're going to be living forever, it's the new earth, the new heavens, the new city of Jerusalem, and John is given a tour of it. It's like he creates a travel guide for us. And I read these chapters over. and over again. I was married to my wife Katrina for 43 years, and she had multiple sclerosis for much of that time. And I was a caregiver. We were caregivers to each other. But finally, about a year and a half ago, she just declined so, and I was at her bed, and we knew that she was dying. And there is a scene. It's real. I mean, this is real in chapter 22 of the throne of

God in the middle of New Jerusalem and the river of life gushing out from under that throne and watering the new earth. And I said to Katrina, I whispered in her ear. I said, just go on to sleep. And when you wake up, I'll meet you there and will walk hand in hand along the Crystal River. And I made a date with her in heaven to walk along the Crystal River. And that is as real to me as sitting at this desk is here with you. And these two chapters tell us in vivid detail what our eternal life is going to be like in heaven. I wouldn't give anything in the world for them. And this is why I say all 65 books of the Bible lead to revelation and all 22 chapters of revelation lead to heaven. We all need to have this hope. We need to know how real this is. This is not somebody's version of the truth. This is truth

itself. And to have that hope, when someone passes on the glory the way your wife did, to know that they're going into the Lord's presence, not to say, oh, I hope so, I don't know. To know it, it's the Lord's will that we know it. He loves us. He longs for us to know these things and to be at deep peace and joy with expectation. That's the message of your book. It's the message of the scripture. But don't we all need to hear this more and more and more that this is real? This is his joy that we could come to be with him. The name of the book is Revelation. It is not obscurity or puzzlement or confusion. The first verse says, the Lord Jesus gave these things to show his servants what must soon take place. And so to me, the book of Revelation, take it sequentially.

It leads you right to heaven. It takes you through. the last turbulent events in world history, but you end up, if you know Christ, in the most glorious, beautiful place, and it brings the Bible full circle and it ends with that glorious hope. It is an astonishing book, and of course, some people say the apocalypse, which is the opposite of Revelation. The apocalypse means the hidden, you know, the hidden things, but it's the hidden things revealed, revelation. And that is beautiful, because we don't serve a God, a Gnostic God, who has some secret knowledge. He wants everyone to know

these things. And in no small part, thanks to you, Robert J. Morgan and this book, we can all understand these things. I am so looking forward to it. It's called the 50 final events in world history.

Robert J. Morgan, thank you for the book, and thanks for talking to us about the book. My pleasure. Thank you, Eric.