The Eric Metaxas Show - Robert Spencer

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Robert Spencer joins to discuss his important book Antisemitism: History and Myth

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And now here's your Ralph Cramden of the airways, Eric Mattaxas. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program at the Eric Mataxis show. And we only named it that because my name happens to be Eric Mataxis. And there's really no other reason. I get to talk to really interesting people. Many of them have written books. For example, today.

For example, right now, I get to talk. to Robert Spencer, who is just one of the leading thinkers in the world on radical Islam, on anti-Semitism, and all the kind of things that we need to talk to experts on because they're so important. He has a new book out called Anti-Semitism History and Myth. Dennis Prager said, there is no better book to read on this subject than this book. Robert Spencer, an honor to have you back on the program. Thanks for joining us. The honor is all mine, Eric. Thank you. Listen, you really are the expert on this kind of thing. And so what is it that you say in this book?

Because I always say, I remember talking to my friend Michael Brown. Oh, this has got to be in the, must have been in the mid-90s. He spoke up at Yale University on anti-Semitism. And he basically said that, you know, it's the hatred behind all hatreds, that you've got black supremacists who hate the Jews, white supremacists who hate the Jews. It's the taproot that leads all the way down to hell. These are the people, the chosen people of God, and the devil has a particular hatred for them. And obviously, I wrote a book about Dietrich Bonhofer, where the subject of anti-Semitism is front and center. But what led you, who knows so much about this stuff, to write this definitive book on anti-Semitism with the title

Antisemitism? What actually happened was right after the October 7 massacre, I was talking to a couple of people who I had admired and respected and was absolutely shocked to hear them start to repeat things that I thought nobody believes anymore. Like, well, you know, the Jews control the media and the Jews control the international human rights organizations. And Israel has committed so many war crimes that they kind of had this attack coming and things like that. And I thought, you know, this is not only sort of crazy, but it's dangerous because after October 7th, I started to see it moving back into the mainstream. And ancient lies being repeated. And we know, Eric, where this leads.

As you know very well with your work on Bonhofer, we see what happens when this kind of thing proliferates and it's happening again in our own age. So this book is an attempt to stop that. So the title of the book is Antisemitism, History and Myth. So let's look at the history of anti-Semitism. I mean, I think, you know, of the book of Esther. I think of, you know, this goes back that far and farther.

So talk about that when you say history. It's a history of anti-Semitism. But what about that history? Well, yeah, I do actually have the book of Esther in the book. And earlier things than that, it starts before Christianity. It starts with some ancient Greek writers who actually dispel disputed the Old Testament accounts and gave alternative versions of what it happened, originated the claim, which actually has persisted in a variety of forms, as I show in the book,

that the Jews actually have secret teachings that contradict what they teach in the Old Testament. They had idols set up in the Holy of Holies, things of that nature. and this, of course, moved into Christianity. Christianity is the only source of anti-Semitism historically that has actually been rejected by the primary leaders of the faith, whereas I also show in the book that anti-Semitism has wellsprings in Islam, in national socialism, of course, as well as international socialism. And today, all of these forces are at play in this.

recrudescence of anti-Semitism that we're seeing around the world? You know, we should send you a $20 bill for using the word recrudescence, because no one has ever used that in the 10 years of this program. Congratulations, sir. I love that. I love it. Well, what we're talking about here is very dark. But I have to say it's kind of like when somebody, I always forget who it was originally who said it. But, you know, if you need proof of God, give me some proof of God. And the answer is the Jews.

Absolutely. I would simply, I would also say, I don't know if was Frederick the Great or I never remember who said it, who cares. But the existence of the Jews seems to point to the existence of God, because how can they still be around as a people after so long, after so much persecution? You know, where are the Hittites? Where are the Amalekites? Where are the Jebusites? Where are these tribes? So there's something amazing about it, number one. But number two, the virulent anti-Semitism from almost all quarters also underscores the chosenness of the Jews. And when we say chosenness, it's not like, yippie, I'm chosen. It's like, no, to be chosen by God is to bear a great and grave burden in history as the Jews have born. And the widespread nature of anti-Semitism, you know, if you're a very and great and great, you know, you're solving for X, if you say, what is this? This is weird. This is interesting. It seems to me to prove the existence of demonic evil and to prove the existence of God, because there's no rational explanation for the widespread anti-Semitism. There really is no other. It makes no human

sense. It makes no historical sense. You just say, what is this? And what it is, ultimately, is evil. It's a hatred of God more than anything. But at least that's my take on it. But what do you say? Yeah, I couldn't agree more, Eric. I think that that was one of the main things that I saw in really making the deep dive and doing the research that was required to put this book together, that this is really a tiny people. If you look at the fact that there are 16 million or 18 million Jews in the world, there are billions of, there are a couple billions of Muslims, there are a couple billion Christians, there are massive groups that we have anti-Semitism, anti-Semites among them. We have many, many groups that are larger than the Jews around the world.

We have so many countries that are larger than Israel, both in terms of area and population. And yet it is the Jews and Israel that are constantly, the focus of global attention. The UN even has a standing item, item seven on the agenda at every UN session is a condemnation of Israel. Now that is just absolutely insane. As you said, it's irrational. It is evil. It's out of all proportion to reality. When you think about the fact that the UN is focused on condemning Israel and has not condemned North Korea or Iran or other clearly rogue states, to anything like the same degree. And this is obviously an irrational hatred

that is eschatological in nature. And I think back to Isaiah 53, you know, and as a Christian, I think, well, there's the great dispute between the Jews and the Christians and the Jewish and Christian traditions about the meaning of that passage. And the Jews will say it refers to Israel and the Christians say it refers to Jesus.

And I think actually in a certain sense, it refers to both. that clearly the people of Israel have been this uniquely suffering people throughout history, and that that has some meaning in the plan of God, that as Christians, I think we can freely acknowledge, in light of all the things that you were saying about the obvious fact that the survival of the Jewish people and the intensity of the hatred directed at them shows that this is something beyond ordinary human experience.

Well, folks, for the rest of the hour, I'm talking to Robert Spencer about his important book, because we need to understand this. And I'm sure many of you don't really understand this. This is a big one, folks. If you care about anything, you've got to care about this. The book is called Antisemitism History and Myth. Robert Spencer is my guest. Antisemitism History and Myth is the book. We'll be right back.

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The subject is anti-Semitism. The title of the book is anti-Semitism, history and myth. My dear friend Dennis Prager said it's the most important book on the subject that he has read. Take that as the ultimate endorsement from Dennis Prager. My guest is the author of the book Robert Spencer. Robert, tell us more about the roots of this. I mean, the history, I want to talk about the history, but the myth, the clue that we're dealing with something genuinely demonic.

I don't use that word lightly, ladies and gentlemen. The clue that we're dealing with something demonic is the foundation of love. lies upon which anti-Semitism has existed. Lies upon lies upon lies that have been pushed out over and over and over and over so that many people believe these lies. They are foul lies. They are the classic lies from the pit of hell about what the Jews do and who they are and their secret stuff.

It's all this conspiratorial stuff, which is lies, libel, horrible stuff. But it's fascinating, Robert, that you write about this in your book, anti-Semitism, that these lies have existed and continue to get promoted by vicious haters of the Jews. Absolutely. Well, you know, you talk about how they persisted. We're talking about very major persistence that you take, for example, you go on Twitter today or X, and you can see all these people, all the online anti-Semites who are proliferating these days, and they like to post proof texts from the Talmud that supposedly show that the Talmud teaches Jews to be evil to non-Jews and to subvert non-Jewish society.

And I see this over and over again, and as a matter of fact, the Talmud was first criticized about 800 years ago. when it was put on trial as if it were a human defendant in Paris and then was declared guilty and hundreds and hundreds of copies were burned at a time when books were printed by hand and were extraordinarily rare and expensive. And so this was a devastating thing for the Jewish community. But it was all based on the same kind of thing that there were passages that were fabricated outright, passages that were wrenched out of context, passages that were willfully misrepresented. I discuss all this in the book at some length,

with reference to the actual Jewish exegesis that shows that these passages don't say anything like what the anti-Semites say. And you have something like the blood libeles. It's the same thing. These stories spread and people are killed as a result. And then when you look at the actual incidents involved, the confessions are unanimously coerced, the accusers are found to have been lying, and yet these things perpetuate over and over again. I think fundamentally, because of the Jews' refusal

to assimilate and to melt into the larger culture and determination to retain their own customs, beliefs, and traditions, this has been something that a wide variety of larger groups has found intolerable. Well, it's interesting because, you know, I have to make clear, because I know people are confused about this, right? You know, when we are speaking up for the Jews, it doesn't mean that I, as a Christian, agree with the theology of Jews. I say Jesus is Lord. He is the Messiah, that he is the person in the Trinity who is God. and obviously Jews don't believe that. Now, there are many Christians who claim to be Christians who don't believe that either.

But the point is, to speak up for the Jews doesn't mean that I stand with their theology. They don't believe Jesus is Lord. Well, that's a deal breaker for me, theoretically speaking. But because I'm a Christian, I believe in religious liberty. I believe in the sanctity of all human beings. And just as George Washington understood this, I understand it. and every American should understand it, that we honor those with whom we disagree on certain issues. For example, the issue of the divinity of Jesus.

So I know that one of the things that people have said, and I've never looked into it, is that the Talmud viciously condemns Jesus, not just doesn't believe that he is Lord and Savior and Messiah, but that it particularly viciously condemns Jesus or says nasty things about him. I don't know about that. Can you do comment on that in the book because I'm confused about that? Absolutely, Eric. And in the first place, I think that it's important to emphasize what you're saying that as Christians, we have an obligation of universal charity that is not excused by theological disagreement.

And so the fact that we may differ strongly with Jews or with others on various core issues does not give one a license to do violence to anyone. And this is something, unfortunately, Christians in many areas lost sight of throughout history. In any case, when you come to the Talmud in Jesus, it's not really very easy to make facile conclusions. because there are some who say that the passages in question don't even refer to Jesus of Nazareth at all, because there are actually quite a few people named Jesus who are referred to, Yeshua, who are referred to in the Talmud. It's a common name, Joshua, in the Jewish tradition, and many of them are very clearly not him. And so in the first place, it's not definitive that there's any mention of Jesus of Nazareth in the Talmud. There is general agreement that some passages refer to him, and some of these, yes, are quite critical.

And then we have to also understand that the Talmud is not a book like the Quran, for example, where everything in it is a matter of faith that all Muslims must accept. The Talmud is not that kind of book where everything in it every Jew must accept. It is actually a record of discussions that took place over a series of several centuries between various rabbis. And various things are said. Some of them are rejected. Some of them are accepted. Some of them are just posited. But there is not any kind of definitive idea that all Jews must accept this. So it's not the kind of a sacred text. It's kind of like, you know, Pope Francis, you know, his gums, as he did, obviously, many times about borders being evil or whatever. Every Catholic is not obliged to take that as though he said at X-Cathre and its official Catholic teaching.

It was said, but it doesn't rise to the level of official Catholic teaching. You can be a faithful Catholic and totally reject it. Similarly, when you're talking about the Talmud, the Talmud is not the Pentateuch. The Talmud as a Robert, you've just so helpfully explained, is something quite different. So why don't you tell us, you know, what is the Torah, what is the Talmud, what is the Tanakh, just to educate us briefly before we move on? Sure. The Torah is the five books of Moses. That is the beginning of the Christian Bible. It's the beginning of the Jewish scriptures as well and the most important element of them. And so the Torah is not negotiable and is indeed something that if a Jew is observant

in his or her faith, then this is going to be something that is accepted. But the Torah is written for a vastly different situation. I mean, of course, it's got temple sacrifice and there's no temple. And so one of the things that took place after the destruction of the temple in 70 AD was an attempt by the rabbis to understand the Jewish faith in a way that would allow them to obey the Torah, excuse me, to obey the Torah as much as possible without the temple sacrifices being possible. And so there was a massive discussion, as I said before, over several centuries between the rabbis about, practically about basically every aspect of the Torah and how it was to be understood.

So that becomes the Talmud, I guess, is what you're saying. That's the commentary on the Torah and then commentary on the commentary. But another question is, and if the Pentateuch is the Torah, what do we call the prophets, the Psalms? What do they call that? The Tanakh is the whole Old Testament, or whole Jewish scripture. Okay, so the Tanakh is the Holy Scriptures, because I know that Christians and Gentiles get very confused about this. So the Tanakh is what we would call the Old Testament, which is the Holy Word of God, and the Torah is just the first five books. The Talmud is something entirely different.

So when we come back, we're going to talk more about this. We're talking to Robert Spencer, brand new book, Antisemitism, History. and myth. Oh man, look at my life. I'm a lot like you. Welcome back. We're talking to Robert Spencer, who has a brand new book out. This is a definitive book, folks, on anti-Semitism.

It's called Antisemitism History and Myth. Dennis Prager, no less than he has raved about it as the most important book on the subject of anti-Semitism. Wow. So Robert Spencer, you were just educating us that the Torah is the Pentateuch, so the first five books. of what we call, what Christians would call the Old Testament. And the whole of the Old Testament is the Tanakh.

So all of the prophets, the law and the prophets. And when we're talking about the Talmud, so the Talmud is not binding. It is not holy God-breathed scripture for Jews. It is commentary. So it's a different thing. and there's an open debate. In other words, it's not open and shut.

So if the Talmud says something, it doesn't mean, and you've said this already, that every Jew is obliged to go by what it says. It's more of a guide. Yes. And it's also extraordinarily voluminous. It's 20-some volumes in all the English translations. And so when you have a handful of passages that are taken

and put in these proof texts that are supposed to show that it's an evil book that says evil things. Well, these people, you know, it takes actually years to read and study the entire Talmud. And this is what many Orthodox Jews devote themselves to doing. And so it's not the kind of book that lends itself to facile proof texting in the slightest degree. You were talking earlier about how when the October 7th massacre happened, which is over a year and a half ago now, that you saw a resurgence of old school anti-Semitism, the kind of stuff that we thought was gone forever.

You saw a resurgence of it. My friend James Lindsay associates that with what he calls the woke right. It's this horrific, is this horrific resurgence of this kind of stuff in quote-unquote conservative circles. there's nothing conservative about it. But it's so fascinating to me because there are people, if you're not really grounded in the love of God, in the Bible, I would say our fallen human nature tends toward, you know,

what is the devil thinking? He hates the Jews. Well, if you're on the left, you'll hate him in this way. If you're on the right, you'll hate him in this way. And that's part of what we're, seeing, this resurgence of a tribalism that uses different arguments to support hatred of the Jews or anti-Semitism, which is the title of your book. Yeah. Well, you know, I think that on the right, unfortunately, one of the biggest problems that we face nowadays is the idea that to be truly

America first, you have to reject the American alliance with Israel. And that, unfortunately, I think, is misleading a lot of people who want to see the American government put America first, as it has not done for so many years. And yet they think this means that we have to break with Israel and endorse the jihad against it. Whereas it seems to me America first doesn't mean America alone. It doesn't mean we don't have allies. And when we have a country that shares the values that the United States shares and that is facing an enemy that wants to destroy the United States as much as it wants to destroy Israel,

that that would be a natural ally for the country, even as we put America first. Well, because I'm writing this book on the American Revolution, I have been fascinated by this principle with America and the French. The French were the French. So when we allied with them to defeat the British, we had a common enemy. But the interests of France didn't always line up with the interests of this nation, nascent nation called the United States of America. So you can have an ally with whom you have some differences, but they're still allies,

and you have some causes to work together. And it's fascinating how simplistic some people can be, including in the America First Movement. They don't really, they don't get this. They don't understand what America first means. And I think, you know, it's so tempting to simply say, we just care about America. Well, if you can, you know, it's like saying, I just care about my family. I don't care about my neighbors.

Well, if you care about your family, you're going to care about your neighbors because they're your neighbors and they're going to affect your family. And so we have to care about everybody. But it is interesting that that has arisen among some so-called MAGA advocates. They don't really understand this, that you can have differences and will have differences with your closest allies. We have a special relationship with the UK. Well, my goodness, the UK is whacked on a number of issues. Most of the countries in the EU are insane on a number of issues. nonetheless, we stand with them against, you know, North Korea, China, Iran.

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The book is anti-Semitism, history, and myth. So welcome back talking to Robert Spencer about his brand new book, Antisemitism, History and Myth. It is definitive. Robert, we're talking about how there are some horrifyingly now on the right who seem to be, if not openly anti-Semitic, somehow more open to what looks like anti-Semitism than they would have been in the past.

It's a disturbing thing. I even have to say there are some who have used the term Christ is king in a way that bothers me. The spirit of it seems triumphalist or kind of like chest beating, which is the antithesis of the Christian faith. I mean, we are to be warriors for truth. But it doesn't mean it's kind of like, yeah, you know, nia, yeah, we're right and everybody who agrees is wrong. There's something childish about it, but also vaguely tribalistic about that slogan, Crisis

King, and the way it's been used by some people. And I'm just, I'm fascinated with this, with whatever it's going on. I know that, of course, even mainstream figures like Tucker Carlson had platformed, what's his name, Cooper, who is kind of a revisionist World War II historian. who seems to be saying, well, Hitler was bad, but he wasn't that bad, or something like that. Candice Owens has kind of flirted with this. It's all very odd, I have to say. Well, yeah, there's no doubt. And I think that a lot of people have been wondering what on earth has gotten into them. And I don't think the whole story of that has yet been told. But you're absolutely right.

You know, when Candice had her first dispute with Ben Shapiro and wrote Christ is king in the middle of the X Twitter thread about it and Ben responded you know by all means Candace if your connection to the daily wire is interfering with your commitment to Christ then you should sever from the daily wire but she was using it as a kind of taunt which of course anybody who acknowledges Christ is king should never do it's a it's a declaration of faith and gratitude not as you said some sort of triumphalist cheer. Darrell Cooper is an extremely dangerous figure because Tucker anointed him as the greatest historian in America today when what he's really doing

is retailing talking points that the national socialists actually used during World War II to justify their actions and to try to displace the blame for the war onto Winston Churchill. And they constantly say, for example, oh, you know, Hitler tried to make peace. Yeah, he made peace after he conquered all of continental Europe. And he wanted to maintain that as the status quo going forward. The British could not accept that without accepting essentially the slavery and mass murder of millions of Europeans, Jews and non-Jews. And so they fought on.

And so for Darrell Cooper, unfortunately, to prey upon the ignorance of peace. regarding World War II and the lack of historical memory that is pandemic in America today. It's, well, unfortunate is an understatement. I'm always curious how that could happen to somebody like Tucker who got to him to persuade him to have Daryl Cooper on. It's a great pity. It's so strange. And when Candice Owens,

I'm glad you brought that up, but when she gets into this argument with Ben Shapiro and says Christ is king, there is something, and this is really what is how I know Christian faith is true, is that it's not just about what you say or how you believe, but it's about how you say it and how you express your belief. And so I could say Jesus is Lord with the implication you jackass. And that's not the spirit of Jesus. That's not the Spirit of, that's not the Holy Spirit. It's mean-spirited. And so when somebody in a taunting way, as you just referenced, says Christ is King to somebody who's outspokenly publicly Jewish, it's just not the way we ought to go about things.

And it causes a damage. And it's lamentable. And I just think that so many things, it has to be said, so many things that have been done by Christians in the name of Christianity have been antithetical to genuine faith in Jesus. And we are obliged always to make those distinctions. We can't simply say, well, do you agree with this or not? Do you agree with this or not? Do you agree that Christ is king?

Yeah, I guess so. But like if, you know, a parrot or a minor bird can memorize scripture, that doesn't mean the devil, quote, scripture. And so we really have to have discernment. And that's what I see happening here is that people, and it's really particularly wicked, they're saying things that are sort of Christian, except not in the spirit of Christ, which is really ultimately devilish. Yes. Well, you know, I think the primary example of that is blaming Jews for the crucifixion. And yet it's basic Christian faith that it's our sins that put Jesus on the cross, and he's there to redeem the world and to take our sins upon himself. And so how can it be that all our sins put him on the cross, and yet it's the Jews' fault?

It's contradictory. Well, and not only that, but a lot of people might not know this, but Jesus was a Jew, and all of the early Christians were Jews. And so, you know, I write about this, in my Bonhofer book, how the Nazis try to make it sound like, well, you're either a Jew or you're an Aryan. And there were so many Jews who believed in Jesus. And the Nazis, they basically tried to wipe anything Jewish out of the Christian faith. And if you get everything Jewish out of the Christian faith, you no longer have the Christian faith. So it's a fascinating thing that we have to relearn these things over and over and over again. Just to, just less than a minute left. The book is anti-Semitism, history and myth. Robert Spencer,

the book is anti-Semitism. This is definitive, folks. Thank you so much. Thank you, Eric. Pleasure. And you of our friends at the Herzog Foundation, if you are thinking, I guess the question is, with all that has happened in the recent years, are you rethinking where you want to send your kid to school or your grandkid? Are you thinking about home? schooling, does the school to which you send your kids support your values? Now, I always have to say that that's the whole idea of school, right? People forget, they act like, well, I don't have that much power. The government has power and I send my kids to the school and they're going to tell my you, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you get to teach your kid whatever you want and you get to hire

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and I look at it and I think of it that way. But obviously, maybe not so obvious, silver is used in all kinds of applications. And so you're saying that because of that, it's going to increase in value. It's a good investment. And in your book, Silver is the new oil. You talk about some of that.

You were just mentioning some of those. Keep going on that. Yeah, so industrial demand 10 years ago to today, they have double the amount of industrial uses for silver than from 10 years ago. So there's just so many industries that are gobbling up silver that need it, including the government, including defense. The government actually last year bought $400 million in silver and about $100 million in gold. It was a four to one ratio.

So they bought more silver than gold because they used silver, drones, warheads, all of these things. They actually, I tried to find it in my book, but I couldn't find anybody. it would tell me how much silver they used because they don't want the public to know, right? They kept it under wraps. But that's just one of the areas and the government continue. And every year they're buying silver, people don't realize that silver has doubled over the last five years. Yet it's still half the price of where it was in 1983 when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the market. So even though it's doubled in the last five years, it's still got a lot of room to run.

So I really like where silver is sitting today. I like the price of it. But it has to do with the underlying value and why people continue to use it. If you just look at solar panel usage alone, that's 17% of the usage. It continues to grow as people add this to their homes. That's not going anywhere. So they're used between 10 and 25 grams of silver in every solar panel. And then a little known fact that's just kind of a silly thing,

but it kind of adds to the value is that most refrigerators today have one to two ounces of silver. And it's unlikely that someone's going to go to a place where the refrigerators, the old ones are, and pull that silver out, right? Because it's worth 60 bucks. If it was gold, they would do it. They'd rip that refrigerator open. So what I'm saying is that they only recycle between 4% and 5% of the industrial uses. So as much as they're trying to find it in Mexico and in the U.S., They're not recycling a huge amount of it either, which means that they have to continue to find more and mining gets more expensive.

And obviously, everybody knows what labor and inflation is doing to everything. So the price, the underlying price has to go up because it just costs a lot of money to pull it out of the ground. Well, your book is silver is the new oil. Yes. I can find out much more about it. But, you know, folks are basic recommendation here. You understand that, you know, the economy is, it's always volatile. But the next year or two, it's probably going to be tough in any circumstances, but especially now, gold and silver are the safest bet. It's even safe. It's better than safe. So if you're interested in,

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It's good, Colin, to be able to talk to somebody that I trust on these important issues. Thanks for partnering with us. And congratulations on the book, Silver is the New Oil. Thanks for being with us. Thank you.