The Eric Metaxas Show - Roger Stone

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

Roger Stone joins Eric at AmFest

Welcome to the Eric Metaxas show. I shouldn't tell you this, but Eric hired someone who sounds just like him to host today's show. But since I'm the announcer, they told me, so I'm telling you, don't be fooled. The real Eric's in jail. Hey there, folks. Happy New Year's Eve. Eve. Yes, that's correct.

That's the proper term. New Year's Eve, Eve. Tomorrow is New Year's Eve. So today is New Year's Eve. Are you excited? I'm planning tomorrow evening to be in deep REM sleep as we pass into 2025. I've got to be honest. I'm not going to lie.

Hey man, I'm not going to lie. Chris Heimes, do you have some plans? I know you've been sick for like a week and a half. Yes, yes. I broke my body on the altar of Charlie Kirk and Amphest. and honestly it was doing a great trip but you know if you're trying to not get sick maybe don't go to a room full of 20,000 people. So I've been sick since I got back and I didn't take the red eye. That's probably my last one ever.

I think I've finally grown up. Honestly, whenever people say to me they're taking a red eye, I don't know how people do it. Like I think it's the most insane. Maybe it's an age thing, but I never could have done that. I need sleep. Honestly, this day and age, 2024, they should start calling it the Ebola, not the red eye.

Because you get more than red eyes. You can basically get Ebola at this point. Pretty much get Ebola, swine flu, avian bird flu, every variant of COVID. Anyway, look, we should... Let's update the audience, Chris. Hold on because people are a lot. It is, today is Monday, folks.

Today is Monday, December 30th. We're back here, and we just want to tell you, Chris and I have suffered for you. Now, Chris and I, we were at Amfest right before Christmas, and it was wonderful in many, many ways. I want to talk about what we did there. We recorded a lot of great interviews with a lot of people. We're going to play one in a couple of minutes with Roger Stone. Everybody knows I love Roger Stone.

Even if he doesn't put me on his best dressed list this year, I still love him and respect him. because I was on his best dress list two years in a row. And I figured, like, I want to go out on a high note. That's it. Two years in a row. But Roger Stone is going to be my guest. We got a lot of stuff to talk about with him. But we recorded so many people.

And in the next few days, we're going to air these recordings. We recorded, I mentioned Roger Stone. We recorded Benny Johnson. He's a very big deal. If you don't know about him and his podcast, he's, I'll just say he's a big deal. And I like him a lot. and it was a joy to interview him. I talked not just to Charlie Kirk, but to Erica Kirk, his current wife.

They're young. They have two beautiful children, and I got to talk to her about how she met, Charlie, how they met. It's kind of a funny story. We talked to our friend Sebastian Gorka. We talked to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, Stinking Hero, ladies and gentlemen. We talked to our friend from the Babylon B. Jared Lamaster, again. We talked to Lance Woll now. He's always a blast. And then we talked to Ivan Rakelin. So anyway, that was the Ivan Rakeland one will blow your mind. I think we'll air that tomorrow. Buckle your seatbelts. I probably mentioned this in the past, but just want to say that it's Monday, December 30th. We're going to be airing this stuff this week. I also want to mention a couple of important things before we get to our guests. I want to say, I want to be airing this stuff this week. I want to mention a couple of important things before we get to our guests.

I want to talk about the death of President Jimmy Carter in a moment. I will get to that in a moment. I have some, I think, important thoughts on the death of President Jimmy Carter. But a couple of big deal updates. First of all, year end giving, if you need a tax deduction for the year 2024, you have today and tomorrow. All right. Let me recommend a few places where you can. donate God's money to God's purposes today or tomorrow. Number one, tonight, tonight,

we are doing a Bonhofer Circle Zoom call. I will be hosting a Bonhofer Circle Zoom call. I will be talking about Bonhofer's legacy, about the controversy that has come out with the movie, and I will be answering your questions if you're on the Bonhofer Zoom call tonight. 8 p.m. Eastern time. 8 p.m. Eastern tonight is the Bonhofer circle Zoom call. How do you get in on that? If you donate $25 a month or more, you know, today, sometime today, you'll get the email link to you to join us on the Bonhofer Zoom call tonight at 8 p.m. So I wanted to make sure I said that up front in case you want to join. It's going to be a fun thing. you get to ask me whatever questions you want. Usually people, if they want to ask a question, you get to ask a question because it's not a big group.

You know, a lot of people they sign up and then they're like, man, I'm busy. So if you want to, if you're burning to ask me a question tonight, you know, you could do it. It's going to be fun. I love this kind of interaction. We don't get to do it very much. So the Bonhofer Circle group, that's again for people who donate $25 a month or more to Socrates in the city, tonight is our Zoom call. We do a quarterly Zoom call.

It's called the Bonhofer Circle, and this is a Bonhofer Circle, Zoom call tonight at 8 p.m. Now, to do that, you have to go to Socrates in the city.com, where it says donate. Socratesin the city.com, where it says donate Socrates in the city.com. Obviously, if you go to Socratesandcity.com

and you want to become a patron of Socrates in the city, that's like $5,000 a year, that's a whole different thing. But any end of year donations you want to give to Socrates and the city, you go to Socrates and City.com. But to join the Bonhofer Zoom call tonight, you only have to donate. It's a $25 a month commitment to Socrates and the city. And then you're in the Bonhofer circle. You get other stuff as a result.

But tonight is the Zoom call. We do a quarterly Zoom call. That's tonight, 8 p.m. Eastern time. Okay. So I want to mention that. You've got to go to Socrates in the city. com. Also, year-end donations.

If you want to do a year-end donation to CSI, Christian Solidarity International, we've been talking about that since beginning of December. We'll be talking about it into January. But if you want to do a year-end donation to a great, great, great cause, freeing slaves. Like literally, folks, wow. okay. Suzanne and I made a commitment this year that stretched us to be honest with you. But you know what? If I'm going to be yacking at you how great this is, then maybe I need to put my money where my mouth is. So we did that. And I want to say that so far, the goal that CSI gave us, the beginning of the campaign, was to free 676 slaves. That was the goal.

they gave us based on, you know, stuff that we've been able to do in past years. And that's what the campaign is. And every $250 frees a slave. So every $250 that you have given has freed a slave. We had one person donate the fabled $15,000. And that's amazing. And I said that anybody who does that, and that still holds, we will make a way for me to spend the evening with you and your family

or whatever you want to do, group of friends, either me coming to your city or you coming to New York or whatever, but somebody did that. So as a result of all of these gifts, as of today, Timpany Roll, Monday, December 30th, thus far, you, the listeners to this program, God bless you, have freed 582 slaves of a goal of 676. I am thrilled to report that. I cannot tell you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. God bless you, folks.

This is, it's just something I say it over and over, how beautiful it is that we get to do this. We get to live out our faith. And it doesn't matter what your faith is. If you believe that God has blessed you to be a blessing, that's biblical faith, folks. You know, that's, I'm not getting into the theology, but the idea that you would give that you don't have to give, but you feel it's the right thing to do to give out of your treasure, of how have you been blessed, to bless strangers. God bless you for doing that. And to give to that, by the way, when we come back, I'll give you the phone number.

Well, I'll give it to you now. 888-253-3522. 888-253-2522. 888-2522. or go to metaxis talk.com. You'll see the banner right at the top, metaxis talk.com. We'll be right back. Lots more to update you on Jimmy Carter and all kinds of stuff.

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2024. And Chris Heims, do you have any plans tomorrow night? I mean, I'm going to be sleeping by midnight, by the grace of God, but do you have any plans tomorrow? Yeah, this is the week traditionally we hang out with my wife's family and siblings. So There's about 24 people at a home in Orlando that's LED lit inside. Like every different room is like a Disney princess or Marvel superhero. So it's going to be madness here. We're going to be making crapes at midnight Paris. Florida?

Yeah. So and then the adults will probably stay. Actually, probably everyone at this one will see up to them the night. And then we'll probably set something on fire outside with some fireworks. Okay. And in case anybody missed my update. I'm going to be sleeping. Thank you very much. That sounds good to me.

You've been working very hard. We were at Amfest. We didn't plan to be at Amfest. But it was amazing. So many people, I mean, I was on the Steve Bannon show. I mean, I was on War Room with Steve Bannon. I was on with Charlie Kirk. I did a lot of media. And then we interviewed a lot of people. So we're going to be playing those interviews this week. I want to do a few updates on a couple things I haven't mentioned yet.

and I want to say in the next segment, in the next several segments, we'll be playing my interview from a couple days ago with Roger Stone, the great Roger Stone. I love Roger Stone. In Hour 2, I believe I'm going to play my interview with Charlie Kirk, and we'll have to see what we have. But I believe I'm playing my interview with Charlie Kirk in Hour 2 today. He is always fascinating. to talk to. Now, I do want to say this. The Cruz, I want to talk about Jimmy Carter, but the Cruz, we have, I think as of this morning, 220 people officially signed up. Now,

we probably got way more with staff and everybody, but 220 people have officially already signed up. I continue to be just crazy excited. the idea that in June coming up, we're going to be together traveling to the Greek islands to Crete. I mean, honestly, all I can tell you is I'm very excited. So the update is so far 220 people. I really wonder how many people will end up getting. I think the more the merrier because I have this feeling, I mean, I have this deep sense that whenever you do something like this, people make friends. It's a cool thing. Like people you've never met before that have very similar interests. I mean, people who listen to this program who read my books, chances are

you're going to have similar interests with the other people. And I, anytime Suzanne and I have done anything like this over many years, starting in 1998, we did, we went to Oxford, England and Cambridge, and we did the CS Lewis Institute as a CS Lewis, well, what is, what is It's a, they call it the Oxbridge Institute. I think they call it that. But the point is that you're hanging out with people that love CS Lewis that are people of faith, people that love England. And we made so many friends on that trip. This is back in 98 and we're still friends with them.

It's amazing. So if you come on this, you know, even if you don't come with friends, you'll make friends. So it's a cool thing. For information on that, go to. Ericmetaxis.com slash cruise. Ericmataxis.com slash cruise. Okay. So I want to tell you about Jimmy Carter,

but before that, I want to mention finally the end of the year giving thing. If you want to give to CSI, the website, and this is to free a slave, $250 frees a slave. So anybody who can, this is the end of the year, tax deductions, so I'm making sure that you're aware. You go to metaxistock.com, and you'll see the banner will pop up right at the top of the page of metaxis talk.com. You can give monthly, you can do whatever you like. That's metaxis talk.com. Or you can dial the phone number, 888, 253, 3522, 888-253, 3522, 888-253-2522.

888-253-3522. So that's for CSI, and that's end of the year giving today and tomorrow last chance for 2024 to get a tax deduction. But there's no greater cause, honestly, I say that. That said, I think Socrates in the city is a pretty great cause. And if you want to do a year-end thing there, today and tomorrow, this is it. So you'd have to go to Socrates in the city.com to donate. Socrates and the city.com. I want to repeat what I said in the previous segment. Tonight, 8 p.m. Eastern, I will be appearing in a Zoom call for anybody who's a member of the Bonhofer Circle. So if you go to Socratesandesandecity.com and you donate $25 a month, or you click on that to donate $25 a month, you become part of the Bonhofer Circle. And that means tonight you can participate.

participate in the Zoom call, you can ask me any question you want, pretty much about everything. Most people will be asking about Bonhofer. But, you know, we're open. It's kind of fun. It's not a big group. So it's a great opportunity to get access to me to ask me, you know, what you want to ask me about anything. So I'm looking forward to that. That is tonight 8 p.m.

Eastern. And again, this is end of year donation. So I want to push everybody today and tomorrow. This is it. Socrates and city.com or if you want to give to CSI Metaxistalks talk.com. And again, if you donate $25 a month to Socrates in the city today, that means tonight you can join us on the Zoom call, which I think will be fun. So I'm saying that. All right.

So any other updates? Let me think. We've got a number of things. I wanted to talk about Jimmy Carter. So yesterday, a friend of mine texted me and said, Jimmy Carter just passed away, age 100. I have mixed feelings about Jimmy Carter. Politically, not a fan of Jimmy Carter.

I think he was not a good president. and I think that in his post-presidency, he did some terrible things very, very, very anti-Israel. So politically, I disagree with him. And yet, you know, when we say we don't like somebody, that doesn't put him in the category of somebody who's really wicked and corrupt like Joe Biden or like Obama. They are really wicked and corrupt, and I think, bad people. That's different from Jimmy Carter, who I would say is misguided, who did a lot of harm, but there's a difference to me. I also think Jimmy Carter was a sincere Christian, which, you know, you could take issue with him,

but I think that he was a sincere Christian. Joe Biden and Obama are absolutely not. they make a mockery of Christian faith, and whenever they've given it lip service, it's just preposterous, but I don't want to get into the details. I just want to say, I think Jimmy Carter was an earnest Christian who was politically very misguided, and I disagreed with him in many, many ways. But I say all this because I had the privilege of meeting him, the 37th president of the United States, who was president when I was in high school. I had the privilege of meeting him eight years ago, exactly eight years ago, it was the inaugural of Donald Trump. And I had the privilege

that morning of being invited to St. John's Church on Lafayette Square right across from the White House where a very small group get together for a service, Pastor Robert Jeffress of First Baptist in Dallas, he preached the sermon and the room was a who's who of people. I felt very privileged to be there. But I want to say that when I saw Jimmy Carter and Rosalind Carter across the room, I went over and I was honored to meet him. He was very gracious to me. But I want to say this. The fact that he was there in that church service says something powerful about what kind of a human being he was, whether you like his politics or not. I've said I don't.

But the fact that he would be there for Donald Trump's inauguration, he didn't need to be there. He was there. There were no other Democrats in the room. That was powerful to me that a president who differs politically would say, I'm going to be there because I honor the office of the president. I honor that office. And I'm here for the transition. He didn't need to be there. And he was there that morning.

And that just meant a lot to me. And so I posted a picture of me and him on X. If you follow me on X. If you follow me on Instagram. I posted a picture and I was astonished at the nasty negative comments. People can't be gracious. The guy died an hour before I posted this. And the nastiness.

People saying, oh, he's going to be in hell. I think, you know, if you say that, Cavalini, shame on you. Shame on you. You don't seem to understand the grace that was shed for you who deserve hell, just as I do. So when people say that stuff, it really grieves me. And it makes me understand why so many non-Christians hate Christians. because if you express your faith that way, that's really not a real expression of faith in Jesus.

So I want to be clear about that. All right. So next segment, we got Roger Stone. Lots more coming up in hour or two. God bless you. We'll be right back. Hey, folks, listeners to my show know I'm passionate about the work of Christian Solidarity International because they protect and free those who are being persecuted and enslaved for their faith.

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Christian Solidarity International, freeing and healing captives in Jesus' name. Go to metaxistock.com. Metaxistock.com. Click on the Christian Solidarity banner. Metaxistock.com. Or 888-253.3522. God bless you. Folks, I'm at Amfest. And again, I get to sit down with a friend who also happens to be a spectacular human being. My friend is named Roger Stone. Roger, I just love talking to you. But it's even more fun when it's being recorded. Where do we, where do we start? Can you hear me?

I can now. You can hear me? I could not before. Oh, I knew it, see? So, my question to you, Roger Stone, is where shall we start? What's, what's on, what's on your mind, you know, if somebody says, hey, hey, what's, what's, the next 30 days? Yeah. What has to happen the next 30 days?

What will happen the next 30 days? Am I optimistic, you know, so on. Okay. So you're asking yourself the questions that I would like to ask you. I mean, of course you're optimistic, but we have a battle to fight. We've got some wars to fight. Yes, very much so. Well, what is your sense of the details?

I think we're going to have a struggle in confirmation. I think that the traditional confirmation process has been perverted. the standard is now different. The standard was supposed to be, are you qualified yes or no? Not your ideology, not what you believe in. But, Roger, because we are now in a war, and it was started by the Democrats with Robert Bork. Yes.

Correct? That is true. Thank you. Which is why the president has to be prepared to go with recess appointments, as many previous presidents have done. Now, my question, because I don't know politics well, and you know politics exceedingly well, how does that work?

Can the president just declare I'm going to do some recess appointments? How does that work? Well, there is a mechanic to it where the House and the Senate, where one of the bodies goes out of session. And as long as they're out of session, he has the authority to make these appointments. So theoretically, Cash Patel could be FBI director for up to 420 days before. That's all we need. It's enough time to indict a bunch of people. thrower to the

bloated tick that the FBI and the other bureaucracies have become. Well, I mean, this is kind of, you know, this is very granular stuff, but generally speaking, I assume you're

sanguine about the future of America. Sanguine. Sanguine has some negativity to it. Does it? Yes, I'm not negative about it. I thought sanguine was, I could be getting that wrong. assume that I always know the meanings of words. I can get it wrong. Also to be kind of

easygoing, but No, it's more positive. Optimistic. Okay, then flat out optimistic. And you're never optimistic. You're like Mikey. No, it's true. I know. I know you're not. I know you. And, you know, you're a hard-boiled political operative. So when you say you're optimistic, that's good news. I think so.

But it's come with a price. Yeah. Right? Yes, no question. Well, but I mean, Honestly, if folks like you had not been treated despicably by our government, by the FBI, a lot of people who are awake today, they would still be sleeping. These nightmares woke up some people. I think that's true. What's really amazing is that given the extraordinary power of the mainstream media,

which is still very real, is... Yeah. People and their ability to monopolize a narrative like January 6th. Right. People still looked at it and said, you know what, that's BS. I'm sorry, I'm not buying that. So that, and that's largely because of the role of alternative media telling us things we didn't know. Right. And really taking apart their entire narrative. But that's what I'm saying. It's like we're living through something right now. I mean, none of us dreamt that we would. be living through anything like this, that people are waking up. I mean, listen, you, you know, if you weren't here and somebody else were talking to me about this, I would bring up you,

because you are the one that, you know, help me make the connection that this goes back to Lyndon Baines Johnson and others murdering the president of the United States, JFK. You are the one that has talked to me about. This is the hidden narrative that we're all now beginning to wake up to, not just Roger Stone, that there has been this deep state, these operatives, who took out President Nixon, whom you had the privilege of knowing and working for,

who tried to take out Reagan. I mean, this is new information to your average American that has been kind of going along. I mean, look, maybe not everybody bought the Warren report but the extent to which we've been lied to, the extent to which we the people have been shoved aside so that others could rule over us while giving us the illusion that we're still ruling ourselves.

I mean, this is a big moment in American history. Yeah, I think it's true. So I think people have figured out that there is a succession, a direct line. I really think 1963 is the beginning of the control of our government by an unelected elite of bureaucrats. who think they know what's best for us. They don't care about elections. President's come and go.

The president gets in their way, just kill him, as they did Kennedy. The president gets in your way, just set him up and remove him, as they did with Nixon. By the way, CIA declassified documents now prove that that's not a theory. That's not some crazy conspiracy theory. The lies of Bob Woodward are stacking up to the ceiling. I wrote a long piece on it. They now understand they were lied to about the Vietnam War. They were lied to about the war in Iraq.

They were lied to about Russian collusion. They were lied to about the attempted assassination of Reagan. They were lied to about the Ukrainian hoax. They were lied to about January 6th. They were lied to about the 2020 election. Yeah, people are awake. Mainstream media is dying before our very eyes. Listen, let's underscore that.

There is no doubt the mainstream media is dying. Folks, I'm talking to Roger Stone. That's easy to spell. It's easy to say. Roger, we're talking about a lot of stuff here. You were saying that you are optimistic about what lies ahead. I think my moment when I allowed myself to be optimistic was when Trump did that interview with Elon Musk. and the two of them were just kind of spitballing or blue-skying

or whatever cliched verb you want to use. But it was like two, you know, brilliant minds thinking about solving big problems. And I thought, this is like, this takes me back to the 60s when we were talking about going to the moon. Like America has been in a state of malaise, you know, with a short hiccup of optimism under Reagan. But to think that we might do great things again,

suddenly I allowed myself to dream that we might because of that conversation that Elon Musk was having with President Trump. And I would say the same thing about Bobby Kennedy. I mean, the idea that we might deal with these health things, that we just, I don't know, I think you get to a point where you just assume that's the way it is, we'll never be able to deal with it. So I'm hopeful just because of those things. This whole effort now to attack Elon and to try to, I guess, drive a wedge between Elon. So the people who had a monopoly on communications, they're upset that Elon has destroyed their monopoly.

That's what they're really upset about. Oh, my God, this guy has a voice? Why does he have a voice? How come he's allowed to have a voice? That's why they're really upset. Secondarily, as you know, Ben Bradley, who was a CIA asset, but the editor of what was one of the most powerful newspapers in the country. He was very close to JFK, but that didn't upset liberals.

That didn't accept them at all. He had a huge voice in America, but that didn't upset them. This is an absurdity. They're bitter about defeat, and they know that a key element of their defeat was the fact that Elon Musk bought Twitter and returned it to being a free speech site and that people were able to read a point of view other than, than theirs. That's what they're said about. Bingo.

So they're hypocrites and liars and frauds, which I guess we knew, but they keep proving it over and over. But the sense of energy and forward momentum that we have right now, I mean, absolutely in my lifetime, I guess I cannot think of

anything like it. I mean, I just can't. I mean, you were around when Reagan won. That must have been exciting. I mean, I was not really politically involved at that point. But this seems to me more, it's more, as big as the Reagan Revolution was, this feels

like we've come from a much darker place, a place that felt like it was going to be permanent. Yeah, I completely agree with that. So Reagan's victory was just a, it was a partisan victory of Republicans over Democrats, and yeah, people realized we were going to head in a new direction that Reagan would rebuild

our military strength, that Reagan would extract our hostages from Iran. that Reagan would appoint conservatives to the judiciary. It was a good time. It was a great feeling. But this has been the greatest single comeback in American history because Trump was not just facing an election campaign.

He was facing the full force of the legacy media and the full force of the Justice Department, which in violation of law and fair play and justice, was seeking to bankrupt him, seeking to keep him off the ballot, seeking him to incarcerate him. They're still trying to do that. So he overcame all, and their fake January 6th narrative. By the way, remember the January 6th meeting hearings,

they broke into regular programming on the networks and on the cable networks to bring us this Kabuki theater made for television live. Yeah. And we now know that they suppress witnesses, They suburb perjury by witnesses. They used AI to create videos and put words in people's bodies. That I didn't know.

I hadn't heard that. I am one of them. Simple use of AI detection software. I used three different programs taking the videos they put up up of me. There's a 99% chance it comes back and tells you that this was fabricated. And of course, they destroyed all the records when they left. Why would you do that unless you're trying to cover up your own crime? Right. Well, do you think Liz Cheney and others will be held to account somehow?

I think they should be, but frankly, there are more dangerous perps. Andrew Weissman, the most corrupt prosecutor in history, the real architect of the Russian collusion hoax, and then the Ukrainian hoax. We learned last week that Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, leaked classified documents. That's a violation of the law. Why should Roger Stone be prosecuted, but they not be prosecuted. They should be prosecuted. Right. Okay, so who would do that and how does that happen?

Pam Bondi would make those decisions. And ultimately, working through the deputy assistant attorney general for each particular area. Right. With the assistance of Cash Patel to the extent that they need more information to take to a grand jury. But the left screaming about retribution and revenge. These are people who are petrified about their own crimes. Right. Translation, I'm worried about being prosecuted for the laws I have broken.

No, but that's the point. In other words, these are lying bums. That's the nicest way I could put it. And they have to throw out these terms like retribution. What, what? You mean justice? You're calling it retribution because you lose? You're calling it retribution?

What it is, as I said in my speech yesterday, it's a rebalancing of the scales of justice. so we can return to one standard. Everybody's held to one standard. So when James Clapper lies to Congress about whether we have a metadata collection program on American citizens, and Edward Snowden proves he's lying, he's not prosecuted,

but when I forget that I got an email from Steve Bannon that was a link to a story on the front page of the Washington Post that day, oh, you've committed an egregious crime. Ridiculous. We're going to a break. Be right back talking to Roger Stone. Visit stonezone.com. Hey, folks, listeners to my show know I'm passionate about the work of Christian Solidarity International because they protect and free those who are being persecuted and enslaved for their faith.

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God bless you. Welcome back talking to Roger Stone. Roger, to me, at the heart of all of this, and it kind of proves the point, the Democrats were willing to burn down everything, to destroy every institution, to destroy the people's trust in government just so they could win. They didn't care. And this is to me kind of the difference, you know, I think of Nixon not contesting the election being stolen in 1960, because he loved his country and he knew that it might cause more damage if he did that. I think of the biblical story of Solomon and the baby, right, where the, you know, the story of the two women say, it's my baby.

And he says, okay, we're going to cut the baby in half and we'll give each of you half. And the mother whose baby it is says, no, no, no, no, no, you take the baby. that's what we're dealing with right now. No, because the Democrats couldn't care less if the nation is destroyed. And therefore, they're willing to destroy the credibility. I mean, you cannot have a self-governing republic the way we do unless most people somehow believe in these institutions. They have destroyed, I mean, they've done their level best to destroy people's faith in the justice system, to destroy people's faith in journalism.

So we really have to come back from that, and that's a big thing. I don't disagree. But remember, all the time they're doing this, they're saying, how dare you not trust your country's own intelligence agencies? Why would you believe the Russians or why would you believe anyone other than our own intelligence agencies? They continue to claim our Attorney General keep saying the law will be, will be enforced without favor, which, of course, it wasn't. So you can always tell what they're lying.

Their lips are moving. But the good news is with this new, more diffuse, more diverse media, there are more people watching and listening to the Eric Mattaxas show than are listening to Ari Melburgh on MSNBC. Go look it up. I guarantee you it's true. He had 26,000 viewers last week. Ari, first of all, I've had it up to hear.

with you. Secondarily, it's over, dude. No one believes a word you say. But I mean, this is, yeah, this is good news to me for America, the fracturing of the media landscape so that people can, you know, so that we actually can watch the free market operate, that people are voting for those who seem genuinely authentic and not, you know, faking it. So I'm hopeful. Let me ask you because are you working now on a book about, the Reagan assassination. I am. You are. Because this, again, you're the one that woke me up to the idea that, you know, it was the CIA that was involved in taking Nixon down and that the narrative that everybody bought, just like the J6 narrative. Everybody buys the narrative and you think,

wait a minute, it's a lie. So to me, this is an extraordinary moment in our history that these things are coming out that so many people were not aware of. So talk a little bit. about the Reagan assassination because it was on my show that you said when they tried to kill Reagan. I stopped you. What do you mean with they? Where does that come from? Well, first of those are the basic facts. The man charged with the attempted murder of Reagan is John Hinckley Jr.

Right. John Hinckley Jr. is crouching in front of Reagan at all times. He's in a crouching position showing upwards. Right. He gets off four shots, all four shots are accounted for. None of them hit Reagan. Reagan is hit from above and behind. This is not disputable.

So you have that odd factor. Judy Woodruff, who's then, I believe, NBC, reports seeing a man on a balcony above the entrance to the hotel, and she says it appears like he is holding a gun. When you go to the broader photographs, not the ones the government released, but the original unedited photographs,

you can see the image of that man. Roger Stone, my friend, thank you, not just for what you say, but for how you look. If people could see Roger Stone, the way he's dressed, a joy to know you, my friend. Folks, go to stonezone.com, Stonezone.com. Roger, thank you. Thanks, Eric. Great to be with you.