The Eric Metaxas Show - Roger Stone - Part 3

Episode Date: December 20, 2022

Roger Stone continues his conversation about a number of key issues, including who he thinks orchestrated the JFK assassination.

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But sometimes we talk about fun stuff. We have amazing guests, as you'll see in a moment. Yeah. But because we're in the Christmas season, Albin, I thought we've kept saying we're going to do this and we've never done it. I think we should do it today. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. We said, we keep saying that, you know, well, first of all, people often say when we talk about all the troubles that we're having in the world, people say, what can I do to help?

Well, I have said one of the things you can do is support this program. share our interviews that we have on Rumble. If you go to Eric Mataxis.com, we will send them to you along with other fun stuff and pictures and things. EricMetaxx.com, just sign up for the newsletter, I guess, is my point. But one other thing you can do is support those we work with, our sponsors, like Mike Lindell at my pillow by using the code, Eric. But we've kept saying that we were going to tell people what they can get at. at my store.com. Mystore.com, if you use the code, Eric, there are so many wacky products.

I'm always talking about the fact that your signed books are there. I'm sorry, my signed books are there along with the Bonhofer poster. These are like superb Christmas gifts, okay? The Bonhofer poster is next level. It's glorious, I'm telling you. Like, it's just a beautiful, we worked hard on getting the image and doing everything and getting the rights. It's the Bonhofer poster.

but if you want to know what other products are at my store.com, which you can use the code, Eric, Albin, you have helpfully highlighted a few of them. So can we talk about a few of those right now? Yeah, in fact, I sent a couple to you because I thought they were wonderful, but I'm looking at one right now. It's called Goat Kisses, Goat Milk, Lip Bomb. So it's Goat Kisses. It's made out of goat milk, and it's lip balm only at my store. Ladies and gentlemen, these are some kooky gifts. Would you expect any less from Mike Lindell? MyStore.com, loaded with cookie, serious gifts, Bonhoffer posters, Eric Mataxis books,

but also loaded with cookie gifts, but also kind of cool. One of them, the one that I wanted to highlight, the flip-it tissue box holder. Albin, have you seen that one? Yeah, I saw that too, yep. The flipet tissue box holder. If you go to my store.com and you look at the products, the flipet tissue box, this is like hilarious.

It is a tissue box holder. It's like a shelf, right? And you flip the tissue box over so that you're pulling down. You're pulling the tissues down. And when you look at it, you're going to go, you know what? I like that. I want that. I'm going to get that for so-and-so for Christmas.

I mean, just there's crazy stuff. There's the refresh. I'm going to laugh. I'm going to laugh. These are all, and we're not making this up. If you go to my store.com and you use the code, Eric, all of these products are available to you. Okay, there's one called refresh liquid wipe, toilet paper, foam. Can you explain this one, Albin?

I don't know. I didn't read the description. I was laughing. I would think you'd read it. It's refresh liquid wipe, toilet paper, foam. Yeah. I don't know if it's paper or foam. I think it's foam in the place of paper.

Is this a European thing? I don't know. Well, I hope that people are just driven mad by the curiosity of what is this product and that they'll go to my store.com. They'll use the code Eric to purchase whatever they want, but they will investigate what is refresh liquid wipe toilet paper foam. I'm just going to let that hang there for a second. Let it sink in, so to speak.

Okay, here's another one. Here's another one. These products, I feel like this is called American ingenuity. Like people coming up with stuff, you think I've never heard of this in my life. This is nuts. At my store.com, they have a product called No Holes. No Holes, exclamation point. And it's, it basically, I guess it says, all natural formula stops most dog breeds over 98% from digging holes in yards, flower,

beds under fences or disturbing garbage cans, rain guard technology for long lasting applications, stops cats from digging in flower pots and raccoons from disturbing garbage cans, harmless to plants and animals when used as directed. So if you've got a problem with your pet is digging holes, no holes can solve that problem only available as far as I know at my store.com using the code, Eric. Are we making this up? No, listen. If somebody from the mafia picks you up and wants you to dig your own grave. You use that thing. No holes, guys. No holes, guys. Yes, it's always good to keep it in your purse, ladies, in case, you know, the mafia wants you to dig your own grave. Very useful application. There's another one here, which it's called Pet Seder

Spray, designed using the latest technology to help keep your animals safe from viruses and bacteria performs multiple functions ranging from soothing skin irritation to softening pet fur. This This spray also helps eliminate bad breath. Little Georgie has a breath problem. I think I need to get PetSetter from my store.com. It says helps eliminate bad breath and other pet odors recommended by veterinarians and trainers alike, provides safe treatment remedies that are suitable for most animals used by trainers. Pet seller spray is perfect for cleaning wounds, rope burns, hoof problems, and other skin

irritations. What? I got to tell you, I mean, I wrote Slycraft. catalog of stuff and a lot of this stuff seems to be like right from my book we have dog slippers in there and stuff like that it's like and lawn lather and things like wait wait wait wait there's dog slippers albin share with the group here we're here for this well yeah you know your dog likes to lie around the house all the time but but is he really comfortable no you got to get the little slippers to put on this pause oh you mean this is a joke this is not at my store come well that's

thing that right that's from slycraft's catalog but there's all stuff in there that like it's now it's like 30 years later and now you're seeing products that are like that at my store.com. Okay. All right. Anyway, we're going to, I think we're going to highlight some more of these because listen, you need Christmas gifts. These are fun ideas. They support Mike Lindell and they support this program if you use the code. Eric, speaking of Christmas gifts, I will never fail to mention CSI. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what you're waiting for. You will feel like a million bucks when you participate. Doesn't matter how. But if you want to feel good, let me tell you, you do a good thing for someone that nobody can thank you for. It's just you do it unto God. CSI, they are working in the

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we've been friends for 30 plus years, he really was the one that helped me understand clothes because we live in a culture where people, most people don't know how to dress anymore. There used to be kind of a uniform. A man would dress this way and a boy would dress this way and a nurse would dress this way and a nurse would dress this way and a doctor would dress this way. And that went away in the 60s, the 60s. basically upended everything. And it might have been Alan Flusser, whom we mentioned in our previous conversation, who said this was the first generation, the 60s, when it used to be that boys, for example, would want to dress like their fathers, longed for the day that they could put on a

fedora and a jacket and long pants. But in the 60s, for the first time everything was upended, and suddenly parents wanted to dress like their kids. And we're now living in that, the sexual revolution and so on and so forth. And so you have, you know, people our age dressing like they're trying to dress like their kids. And the whole, you know, sartorial vocabulary has been lost. So it was my friend Tim Raglan that kind of helped me to see this and how to see that clothes is more than clothes, that, you know, everything we do has significant. when did you get interested in that subject?

Well, the way you're dressed is how you present yourself to the world. If all the world's a stage, then you should always be in costume, right? So when I was in elementary school, for whatever reason, my mother said, I came home and I said, you know, I want one of those shirts that buttons down, you know, and it's, you got to wash it, mommy, you can't just, you know, you've got to wash it, and you have to iron it. You can't just throw it in the washer and then wear it right away, which means there's no blend. I wanted corduroys and they had to be all cotton corduroys. I have no idea why I wanted these things. I lived in a pretty tony area in Westchester, so I saw other kids wearing them, and that's what I thought

you should wear. And I would ask for these things, and my mother would have to go shopping and find them for me. And then I started, you know, I started shopping thrist shops, and I would find a tweed jacket, or I would find a Shetland sweater, or I would find a, you know, a pair of used khakis. And then I realize you could find a bunch of these things online. When I moved to Washington, I became somewhat more affluent, I started having things made. So I would cut a picture out. So I found a picture, for example, of Adam Clayton Powell Jr., Congressman and Reverend of the Abyssinian Baptist Church here in Harlem. This tie I'm wearing was the tie he was wearing in the picture. It took me a long time to find this tie, but I wanted that tie in the picture.

The trousers that I'm wearing have a two-and-a-half-inch waistband. They're 19 inches wide at the knee and it to the cuff. Why? I saw a picture of Cab Callaway wearing them in an old magazine. I clipped it out and took it to a tailor, and I said, I want these pants. He looked at it, he said, but nobody wears these anymore. I said, precisely. That's exactly the point.

In other words, not everybody should dress like me. Everybody needs to have their own distinctive style, but that style should never be slovenly, which is what I don't understand about today. In other words, a man should be dressed for the activity in which he's going to engage. If you're going to the office, if you're going to go be on a TV show, then you should be wearing a suit and a tie, or a jacket and a tie, or a jacket and a sweater in a tie, and you should have an appropriate pocket square. If you're going to the mall, okay, you can wear jeans in a sweater.

If you're going to a nice restaurant, dress up. Don't dress like a bum, like a homeless person. What I understand is these women who go, you know, they wear these things that says pink on them. The word pink, they're not dressed for going out in public. Don't wear athletic clothes unless you're going to the gym. That's the only place athletic clothes are acceptable. And for God's sakes, do not wear a soccer jersey to church.

Please. Please. Please. keep your sippy cups in the car. No, it's kind of funny. This is always funny to me, all this stuff, because I'm tracking with you. I believe everything you just said.

And I realize we live in a world where most people, this is a fact, don't know how to dress. In other words, it's not as though they're given a choice and they say, no, I don't want to do that. They're not even aware. I was at a fancy event in a different part of the country. And I could see by the way people dress,

that they didn't even anymore have any idea of what do you wear. Maybe they didn't even have in the closet something anymore. They're just used to wearing, you know, shapeless things to cover their bodies. All clothing has become disposable. The idea of buying something, taking care of it and having it for a lifetime, that's an outmoded idea. So when you go to a department store, which is where you'd buy clothes today, because the idea of a man's haberdashery is a thing of the past,

Barney's used to have two stores here in Manhattan. Today it has no stores. Everything there is exactly the same. And it's all neutral. It's all completely neutral. Black shirt, black pants, black jacket. That's it. You wear it day and night, I guess.

But it doesn't matter because in a year from now, it'll be worn out anyway, and you're just going to throw it out. So there are rules. I wrote a book on this called Stone's Rules. Tucker Carlson, who's a man of style himself. I argue vociferously that getting rid of his bow ties was a mistake, but he won't even talk about it. He won't even talk about it.

No, he's deeply into the regimental striped ties, and that's fine. It's a good look. I liked the bow ties, but some marketing consultant at Fox or somebody, I don't know, didn't like the bow ties. I thought it was a pretty cool signature thing. Yeah. But he's still a well-dressed guy. Oh, yeah. And he's a great guy because he understands the fundamentals.

I mean, he has a pair of, you know, Nantucket red trousers that you wear with the blue blazer. He gets it. He gets it. There's just fundamental things that a gentleman has to have, like a navy blue blazer, for example. Could be single button, could be a single breasted, three button, three to two roll, as they say. Could be double-breasted, but that's a fundamental article of clothing that every gentleman could have. You can wear it with flannels and a necktie. you can wear it with khakis and no necktie,

you can wear it with jeans and a t-shirt. It still always looks great. I'm sorry, what? No, this is so fascinating to me. I love that we're talking about this. I feel like, I know you do cover this in your book Stone's Rules, but I almost think maybe we should get together and write a primer on this stuff,

because I really, I know that people have just completely lost touch with even, they just don't even, wouldn't know where to begin. you know and it's it's fascinating to me because I do think that it says it doesn't just say something about the person but but what has happened says something about our culture we all know there was a time when we were kids doctors dressed like doctors now they kind of wear scrubs or they they it's almost like we've all decided that we're going to go in this radical egalitarian direction I just want to kind of look like a schlub because that's communicating, you know, solidarity with who I'm treating. To a certain extent, doctors dressed the way they did purposely to connote authority.

That's what I'm saying. So today, for example, you can go to a chiropractor and he'll be wearing a white jacket. That's to give you the idea that he knows what he's doing. Well, no, but I'm saying those who do that, those who still do that, I applaud them. Oh, that means that they get it. But many of them don't. And so, you know, you see doctors and nurses, you know, they're wearing clogs and scrubs. and they used to, look, the reason they don't dress the way they used to is because authority has become a dirty word.

Hierarchy. I'm a doctor. You're not. We're not allowed to. Doctor knows best. To say that anymore. The idea that there's a difference between how children dress and how their parents dress. When you look, and again, it has nothing to do with money because when you look at photos, whether it's the 40s or the 50s or before, the poorest people dressed with tremendous. tremendous dignity and understood that when I go out, I put on a jacket or I put on a jacket and tie. They had that kind of clothing. They took care of that kind of clothing. It's also important to understand that if you spend a little more for quality at the beginning, then you take care of it. Yeah. In the end, you will spend a lot less. So people would say to me, well, I love to dress like you,

but I can't afford it. Well, first of all, it's not that expensive. You and I both buy things. online that we search for. That maybe we're not the original owner, but you can't find another one. I was telling the story earlier that at the famous Yalta conference, Stalin shows up in uniform, Winston Churchill's wearing kind of like a pico, a Navy pico. Franklin Roosevelt's wearing a double-breasted suit, but he has on this magnificent U.S. Naval Officers cape with a standing black velvet collar. and he's got a frog closing, closing.

And, of course, he understood costume. So he wore Pinsnez glasses long after it was no longer popular. His famous cigarette holder. This is all imagery. He knows what he's doing. This is all purposeful imagery. So I've always wanted this cape, this magnificent cape. And they made them for naval officers in the 20s and 30s.

Roosevelt had been Assistant Secretary of the Navy. That's why he had his. And he wore it at Yalta. I finally found one online. Okay, now, folks, this is called a cliffhanger. In show business, we call this a cliffhanger. You can hear more about the Cape on the other side of the break. As hard as it may be for us to comprehend here in America,

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That's Patriotmobile.com slash Eric or call 972 Patriot. Hello, folks. We're talking about capes. No, not the Cape of Good Hope. We're talking about actual capes, an Inverness Cape, that kind of cape. the cape, the kind of cape that men used to wear and that people like, for example, FDR wore at Yalta. So you are actually, Roger Stone, looking for that particular cape? I have found that cape, and it's very heavy. And I have a speech coming up in Nashville in January where I'm told it's going to be very cold.

So I'm going to have my first opportunity, over a suit, of course, to wear my cape. Now, some people may think, you know, as some say, well, you look. like a Batman villain. I don't really care what they think. I think it's going to look great. I have a very good friend of mine, Pastor Randy Coggins, who is a very, very dynamic preacher. He dances, he sings, he claps, he moves, kind of like James Brown. And I keep kidding. I said, you know what you need for your whole act? You need a cape. This is like a running joke. When you get a cape, and you do the whole thing like James Brown did with the cape. Honestly, I think a cape for me might be a bridge too far, nor will I wear a Hamburg.

At least not soon. Maybe at some point I'll gravitate toward that. I wore a Hamburg to my trial. And some jerk with The Daily Beast kept saying, Mr. Stone, why are you wearing a derby? I kept, don't. I said, I'm not a vaudeville comedian, you idiot. This is a Hamburg.

Eisenhower wore one. John Foster Dulles wore one. I mean, it's every fashionable icon in the 50s wore them. It's a great look. It doesn't work for everybody. But it's a lot better than a bit. baseball cap, and it's way better than a backwards baseball cap. Yeah, anything's better than that. I, of course, grew up in Danbury, Connecticut, known for almost forever as Hat City. Most of the

hats in the United States of America came from factories in Danbury, Connecticut. And we know with the advent of JFK, hats went out of fashion, and we, well, we entered the 60s and the tumult of that. and we didn't just lose hats, but dignity and a lot of other stuff. Let me, I want to talk to you briefly since I thought of JFK. You wrote a book a while ago about the assassination of JFK in which you implicate LBJ. We know LBJ was a corrupt bum. I use that in the positive sense. And do you tell us, if you would, because I just had Mark Shaw.

on this program talking about the JFK assassination and the deaths of Marilyn Monroe and Dorothy Kilgallan and RFK. What do you think exactly what was the connection between LBJ and the death of JFK? Cui Bono, who benefits? Lyndon Johnson is the, he is the drum major of this orchestra. He is the orchestrator of the Kennedy assassination. For those who say, oh, no, it was organized crime. They're right. Organized crime was involved.

For those who say it was the intelligence agencies in the military. They're also right. They were involved. For those who say it was the banks, yeah, the Kennedy brothers wanted to return to either a silver or gold-backed dollar. They were definitely on the hit list of the Rothschilds. But Lyndon Johnson is the common theme. He's the paymaster for the FBI and the CIA from his purchase as a Senate Majority Leader. And when he leaves the Senate, he puts a reliable ally, Harry Bird of Virginia, as chairman of the Defense Appropriation Subcommittee, where the secret budget for the CIA. and the FBI is funded every year. So he controls their money. He's been paid by organized crime to protect the illegal gambling dens in San Antonio and Houston and Dallas. He's on the pad for Carlos Marcello,

who runs the mob in Texas. He's the water boy for Big Texas oil. They hate Kennedy because he wants to repeal the oil depletion allowance. So everybody has a common interest in getting rid of Jack. The intelligence agencies and the military blame him for both the Bay of Pigs failure, which is really not true, because the plan did include Panamanian bombers who were supposed to be flown by Cuban pilots to fly out of Panama to provide

air cover for the men charging the beaches, but the CIA canceled that part of the plan without telling JFK. That allowed them to come back and say, Mr. President, we have to send in the American Air Force to save the day, and he said, no, that wasn't part of the deal. This had to be plausible deniability. They're also upset about the Cuban missile crisis because what you've been told that Bobby and Jack backed Nakita Khrushchev Downey withdrew the missiles. That's a lie. We withdrew our missiles from Turkey and Italy in a secret backroom deal, which was classified for 40 years. The missiles never left Russia. They may still be there, although they'd be pretty antiquated.

So there's their motive. Lyndon Johnson is being investigated for corruption in both the Bobby Baker scandal. and the Billy Sal Estes scandal. Two massive scandals, they were bag men for Johnson. The masterful four-volume Robert Caro biography, how could he never mention Billy Sal Estes? How could he never mention that? I checked in terms of square inches of just coverage at the time,

newspaper coverage. The Billy Sal Estes scandal is one of the biggest corruption scandals in American history, never mentioned in Robert Carrow's book. After Salestis goes to jail when he gets out, He implicates Johnson in the murder of JFK. It's all in my book. Wait a minute. Saul Estes implicates Johnson in the murder of JFK.

Absolutely. Under oath. And what year was that? This would have been after Johnson's death in about 60s in about... No, Johnson died in the 70s. Right. So it would have been in the mid-70s. 73.

I think he died. It is well covered at the time. So, yeah, Lyndon Johnson has the motive, means, and the opportunity. And in my book, I use fingerprint evidence, eye witness evidence, and deep Texas politics to make the compelling case that Lyndon Johnson was the head of a, of a, I don't like to use the word conspiracy, the head of a plot that involved organized crime, the military, the secret service, the banks, and big Texas oil to take down John F. Kennedy. Everybody had their own individual interest, but no one had a greater interest than Johnson because he was looking at a federal penitentiary. He was looking at being dumped from the 64. And what is the title of your book on LBG? The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ.

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anything. It's fun. Roger, I lift weights on occasion, and I know that you have for quite some What got you interested in weight lifting and bodybuilding? Well, there's no point in having great clothing if you don't look good in it, and you can't look good in it if you're not fit. Also, you just feel better. I mean, you have to eat right.

You have to drink in moderation if you drink at all. But you need to work out, and you need to work out, as I found out, the hard way, in a way in which you don't injure yourself. A lot of people think that lifting weights is about how much weight you can lift, which is not at all what it's about. It's about lifting enough weight so that it is challenging, therefore tearing the muscle so the muscle can regenerate slightly. But it's not about hurting yourself. So I see people in the gym all the time, men and the gym, women in the gym, lifting more weight than they can move.

And all they're doing is risking permanent injury and they won't be able to lift weights at all. Take your shoulder, for example. Your shoulders held in place by a socket. There's no hard. There's nothing hard. There's no bone holding this in. This is all held together. by soft tissue. Dislocate your shoulder once and you'll remember it forever. And if you dislocate it

three times, as I have done, and you don't rehab it properly, you'll never be able to raise your arms above this plane. So lifting weight is about fitness. Fitness is about feeling good and looking good and about overall health. When you are fit, you feel better and you have more energy. And it's not just working out. You can't eat like a pig and drink a lot and work out and expect to improve. diet and exercise are tied together. And then you need a plan. You really need, you need, and there are a lot of good books written about this, but you need a, you need a basic exercise plan. Some people, I think you're in this group, go in and do every body part on the same day, and then rest, and then return to the gym. That can work, but you have to be very religious about it.

Other people do one body part a day combining biceps and triceps or combining back in biceps and chest and biceps. Chest and biceps. That can work as well. But you need to have a plan and you stick to the plan. What you don't do is go to the gym to socialize. You don't go to the gym to walk around and talk to people. You go to the gym and you between sets within your exercise and between. exercises, you limit the amount of time. The idea is to exercise as safely and as effectively

as quickly as possible, but to get a full workout. All right, what can you bench? I have no idea because you do it. I do it all by feel. Look, I'm just teasing. I understand. But that's the whole, that is the point. It's about how much you can bench, Roger. Come on. No, it's about, hey, it's not, that's too much weight for me. I'm kidding. But how did you get interested in this? When did you get interested in lifting weights? I started out as a runner. So I was a long-distance runner. When? When I was in my teens, I lived in a rural area so there were no other children my age around. Well, that leaves out all team sports. No basketball, no football, no baseball, because there's nobody to throw a ball too. And there's nobody to learn how to catch a ball because nobody's going

to be throwing you a ball. My father put in ridiculous hours. He was a very hardworking guy. He was a well-digger. He would get up at 5 o'clock in the morning. He would go on a chop drill, drilling artesian wells for water. He would come home at night, completely caked in mud. My mother would hose him down in the backyard. She would serve him dinner. He would then go to bed and go to sleep. He'd wake up the next day and do the same thing all over again.

He worked six days a week. We went to church on Sundays. That was his day off. I never heard him complain once in my entire life. He never complained. He took one week's vacation a year. There's no time for tossing a basketball or a football or a baseball with your dad. And there are no kids to do it with.

So I was limited to sports that you could do by yourself. There are only two, running and weightlifting. So I started by being a runner. And I became completely addicted to the endorphins that are produced by running long distances. I could also easily put away a pound of spaghetti and never show it because I was burning it all off. problem with becoming a long-distance runner, sooner or later, your knees and your ankles start to give you

trouble, that constant pounding. It was then that I decided that I wanted to remain fit, but I could no longer do the nine miles. And what decade of life was this? I would say it was in my mid-20s when I started having trouble with my knees. First, you start wrapping your knees. That doesn't work very well either. And then ultimately, I just realized

that I could get, I would cut my cardio, the running back to every other day, and then every two days and then get into the gym. Initially, I was doing one body part a day, combining biceps and triceps with another body part. Do you do back and biceps? Right. You do chest and triceps. Back in biceps, chest and triceps. And legs by themselves always. Legs also known in the gym as going down in the basement. Everybody, every bodybuilder I know hates doing legs. If you're not ready to throw up. When you finish doing your leg workout, you're not doing it hard enough.

Okay. I guess I'm not doing it hard enough. The leg workout, I guess these squats, squats, calf raises, and anything else? You can do squats, both at a different stance. Yeah. You can do them on the machine or you can do them freestanding. It's a lot safer to do them again on the machine. I think this should go in the book. I'm starting to imagine. This is a book. It's going to be about weightlifting and being fit. It's going to be about clothes. The book already exists. It's called Stone's Rules. I was going to say it's called Stone's Rules. That's the problem. It already exists. So I guess I have to find my copy of Stone's Rules. But there's, these things are important. And if you want to be a good steward of not just your body, but your whole life,

you have to care about your health. You have to care about exercise. and eating, these things shouldn't be optional. And I'm glad. It's really why I wrote that book. It's not a political book. I mean, there's a lot of politics in it. But these are kind of rules for life. It doesn't matter whether you're in tech or agriculture or entertainment or whether you're

out of work. Right. I mean, there's applicable stuff in here regardless of your politics or even if you have no politics. In a way, it's like Sun Tzu's Art of War or Machiavelli's the Prince. There's a lot of strategic stuff in there. but there's also just good guidelines, you know, for life. Just a few seconds left. What year did you get the big Nixon tattoo on your back?

That would have been 1978, and man, I was really drunk. It was my birthday. Okay. I think that wraps things up. Roger, it really just a joy to have some time with you. Thanks for coming to New York. Thanks for coming to the studio. Is their website?

Stonezone.com. StoneZone.com. Stone, my friend, thank you. God bless you. And lots of goodies for you and for me. So leave a peppermint stick for old St. Nick. Hang it on a Christmas tree. It's the holiday season.

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