The Eric Metaxas Show - Ron Coleman

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

Ron Coleman of the Dhillon law group returns to give an update on the state of Israel and the of Jewish people in America 

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And now here's your Ralph Cramden of the Airways, Eric Matt, Texas. Folks, not a lot of rock stars throw around terms like, you know, Hegel and the dialectic. But John L. Cooper, John, you do. And you've written a book called Wimpy, Weak and Woke, How Truth Can Save America from Utopian Destruction. It is good if we can understand this stuff. and you have really, you've really dug in. People can get the book at johnL.Cupert.com. You said the Kindle version is available on Amazon.

You were going to talk in this last segment about what we can do to fix it, because we're in a very, very dark place. We really are in a dark place. One of the things I wrote in the book that I think is kind of cool is I kind of borrowed this idea from Francis Schaefer. So Francis Schaefer has this idea. this two-story building, and he breaks it up into nature and grace. And I kind of borrowed this idea, and it's super easy to say, imagine two floors and the top floor I'm going to call heaven, bottom floor we're going to call earth. And I think that the modern church in America

has sort of done this separation. We're going to let Jesus be, he's going to be Lord of the upstairs. That's Lord of Heaven. When I die, he makes me feel good as we talked about in the first segment. He's going to help me in my personal piety. Those are good things. But on the bottom floor is earth. And we no longer look to Jesus to tell us the Bible I'm talking about, of course, how to do things on earth. We go, well, we don't need to know about what the Bible says about economics or politics or how to treat your neighbor or whether we can have guns or not. Okay.

And this two-story version, folks, just to be clear, is not biblical. This is not God's idea. This is a bad religious idea. that has nothing to do with God's idea of how we Christians are supposed to function. And this is a fundamental misunderstanding of God and the scripture. And it brings us to this kind of a place where people say, I mean, think of the irony, John. You know, when people who are Christians get politically on the left, they don't say, oh, you're being too political. Yes.

They kind of just go with that flow, with the Marxist, cultural Marxist kind of flow. and when folks like you or me, when we, you or I, when we talk about these things and try to connect the biblical stuff to what we need to do politically or in terms of the culture, they say, you're being political. You just stick to the gospel, stay in your religious lane. Yeah, that's right. So when me and you say something like this, the life of the unborn child matters because he's made in the image of God. we are being apparently Christian Nationalist,

but when President Biden says, we have to make sure that 12-year-olds can get their healthy breasts cut off or their generals cut off. And then President Biden says, because these are kids who are made in the image of God, he's not being Christian nationalists at all, right? So this idea of the two-story building is not,

in chapter one, what I say is this. It is a form of modern polytheism in the church. We look to Christ to be God of heaven, and we look to man to be God of earth. And we have to remedy that. We cannot do it. Christ is Lord of everything. And so there's no, there's no, what is it that Kuyper said?

You probably know better than me. There's no square, any of every square inch. Every single speech I give. Every square inch. And you used to do it. The quote is, there's not one square inch in all of creation over which Jesus Christ, who is sovereign, does not say mine. That's it. every part of creation he wants us to take our biblical faith into that politics, culture, everything we're talking about.

Yes. And so if we don't do that, what you end up getting, even for people of faith and God, is we believe that Christ can save souls, but Christ cannot save civilizations. and I think that's where we're at now. The church has got to wake up into a moral confidence to say, wait a minute. It's not idolatrous to like the principles of America. In fact, the principles of America came from our Jewish roots and our Christian roots. Those are good things. We should have moral confidence about that. And we need to begin to understand that if we don't follow the Bible's ways and we follow man's ways,

it is absolutely going to lead us to death. And the book, I have what I call Bible binaries. And I do this because my Christian friends who tend to be on the left always say, John, you all never nuanced anything. You're such a binary thinker. So I said, I'm going to own it. So I write Bible binaries in the book. If you love, if you, if you, what's the beginning of wisdom?

Proverbs. The fear of God. If you fear the Lord. If you fear the Lord, you're on a path to wisdom. If you mock the Lord, you do not understand wisdom. Let's have some Bible binaries here. The Bible says, I lay before you life and death. Choose which one you're going to serve.

God says, I want you to choose life. So we have these Bible binaries and put them in every chapter. So when you're reading about Karl Marx, I'll put a Bible binary to say, this is what Marx is saying. Here's what the Bible says. One leads to life, the other leads to death. Well, you know, part of what we're saying here is Christians need to get political because they need to take God's ideas into the political sphere so that God's ideas, will have a chance. We would not have the civilization we do if people hadn't brought God's ideas into

every sphere. But there are a lot of people they don't seem to understand that abolishing slavery, that's a biblical idea, ladies and gentlemen, we would be in a world with slavery. And if you say, well, I don't want to be political, then you're against abolishing slavery. That's right. All of this stuff comes out of the scripture. And so, again, we're being played by the left right now. Oh, my gosh, we're being so played. And the church has fallen for it, which is why. even a lot of churches they say, I don't want to get political, so I'm not going to say,

but they'll still say bad things about America. They'll still say bad things about our heritage, but they won't say anything good because they know it's going against the flow. Now, I've had so many Christians get absolutely apoplectic to me when I have these conversations that I say to them, I just want you to know what you're saying to me right now makes me realize you would not have marched with Dr. King.

You would not have been on Bonhoffors side. You would not have been on the side of the abolitionists. I know you think you would because it's hindsight. But if you're not willing to stand up for the unborn, if you're not willing to stand up against this madness with gender mutilation on children, good Lord, the most demonic thing I've ever seen. If you're not willing to stand up against these things, then you wouldn't have been doing those other.

And then I ask them, are you against murder? They'll say, of course, I'm against murder. And I say, well, do you think we should have a law against murder? They say, yes. I say, congratulations, you're now being political. They don't understand that. So it's a lack of education. So when I say wimpy, weak and woke, what I mean, just so people know,

because people are gone apoplectic over it. When I say wimpy, what I mean is that we have decided that we're going to value winsomeness over telling the truth. That's wimpy. We do that because we think that Jesus was wimpy, which he was not. We are weak intellectually, and it has caused us to feel that we need to apologize for the character of God. and we are woke because we have replaced the Christian grand narrative with the Marxist narrative

that this is all about people being oppressed. And guess who's the biggest oppressor of all? America and Christianity. Oh, man. It's so amazing that people have bought this. And I want to be clear, folks, Marxism is atheistic. So they don't even have the beginning of a reason to say that anything is right or wrong. So if they say racism is wrong, I say, okay.

I know why it's wrong because the scripture says it's wrong. Why do you say it's wrong? They have no answer. They will start talking in circles because they have no answer to why. Are we all created in the image of God? Are we all equal in God's sight? Okay, if you're an atheist, tell me what's your view of, you know, did we maybe evolve into different races?

Some are better than others. That is the atheist view, but they will not own it. They're afraid to be clear because they just want to confuse you. you'll shut up. All right. The book is Wimpy, Weak and Woke, How Truth Can Save America from Utopian Destruction, John L. Cooper. John, how often do you do your podcast? Only once a week. Okay. Cooper. Yeah, I still tour for a living, obviously, playing music. And that's my main job, but I enjoy doing this, hoping that it's going to help, you know, like I say, certain people that might not want to go to church or might not want to watch the news. And they don't think

they're into this, but maybe they'll listen to me. Who knows? Well, people can find you at Cooper Stuff Podcast. If, I mean, I just love the fact that you're doing this podcast. I love the fact you're talking about this. I love the fact that you wrote a book about it. Wimpy Week and Woke, John L. Cooper. And your website is John L. Cooper, the letter L. com.

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at what I'm seeing around the world. So I want to talk to you about that part of the news and about Israel. We can also talk about Donald Trump. You are a lawyer with the campaign. So we can talk about President Trump. But let's start with, you know, what is happening in the world right now with regard to Israel. You know, I think we're actually having a different conversation on this topic than we would have had even last week. Last week was violent demonstration week. This This week is sort of a new normal, one of our many new normals that we go through, I think. What we're seeing is that there's inevitably this, it's really a Muslim street more than an

Arab street. I used to talk about the Arab street, but these demonstrators are from all over the place. They do share the fact that they're Muslims. Many of them are Palestinians, however. Here in New York it's gotten actually hairy. I mean, it's amazing that you've managed to find a Jew in New York to have this discussion with you, but the neighborhoods where there are tons of us, including my children and grandchildren in Borough Park, have been getting visits from some of the protesters.

No one's particularly worried about his safety in these neighborhoods, but the general trend here is the Jews are being used as sort of a leading edge in a, what seems to be almost a systematic program. are absolutely positive that it's planned to create a new level of acceptance and presence for radicalism and especially as expressed in violent conduct. Yeah.

And the thing that blows my mind is that as extreme as people's nastiest comments might be, we wouldn't be feeling any sort of crisis mentality. If it weren't for the fact that there's been this toleration of violence from the left that has been absolutely rubber-stamped. They may as well just put it on letterhead at the White House. I mean, after that demonstration at the White House

where they arrested one person, they arrested one person, and then the demonstration at the DNC, one person, whereas J6, if you thought about the Capitol on January 6th, the FBI is going to be knocking on your door. The violence that has been knocking on your door. has been elevated to the level of tolerance or tolerated. What we're talking about, we have to say it, I have to say it. Ladies and gentlemen, we've never seen anything like this in America.

This is satanic evil. There's no other word for it. I have a friend who's in solitary confinement because he was there at the Capitol on January 6th. To say he did nothing, this man is an American hero. He did nothing. And he is in solitary confinement. That is in America. That is so sick, it is very difficult for me to process that that is happening in America.

And when you then juxtapose that with the idea that we have thugs, radicals, violent people, not being touched. that's when your average person gets angry. And they say, you know what? If you were just sort of fair, you know, we understand there are different narratives, different points of view. But what we're seeing right now seems to be spitting in the face of Lady Liberty and Uncle Sam. It seems to be a kind of injustice unlike anything we have seen in our history. Absolutely, never in our history. And it's not the savages who are doing the spitting.

because who cares? Who cares? We expect savages to act. No, it's Joe Biden and his attorney general or I don't know who's in there right now. But it is a dramatic contempt for America, for the founding principles, for the Constitution. We've never seen anything like it. And the fact is that the immediate concern is for Jews and the safety of Jews. And, of course, on the college campuses, it's outrageous what's going on. But the Jews, you know, I hate to ring in, you know, a cliche, but the canaries and the coal mine, when they're going after the Jews, they're eventually going after everyone listening to this discussion. Yeah. Because we're the same. We stand for a set of ethics and a way of going about life and a certain set of civic values that are simply not shared by these people. And I don't know as a lawyer. in fact, how to deal with it.

And I've had this discussion with a lot of conservatives. The First Amendment is for everyone. Even those who say, I reject the values of the First Amendment. But at what point do we say that it's an existential threat to the First Amendment? Ironically, the rounding up of the J6 world, I wouldn't even want to say defendants, has been rationalized by precisely that kind of reasoning. That's the problem here. Right.

Well, and again, it's a lie. I will say it. We've said it on this program before. The whole J6 narrative is a lie. It is so evil that it is hard to process that in America, some people created this situation. It is so wicked. It is right out of the Third Reich playbook.

How about those videos? The videos that came out yesterday. Okay, so the videos came out. Thanks to the godsend, known as Speaker Johnson, which kind of makes me ask the question, what about that bum Kevin McCarthy? Kevin McCarthy is a bum. It's amazing to me that there are people languishing friends of mine in prison cells and that you have somebody saying, I'm not going to release this. It is utterly wicked. It is so wicked.

Again, it's hard for us to process that this is happening in America. And I think the problem that we have is that ideas and principles matter to us. And we find it hard to believe that we know that there have always been gangsters. There have always been people who whose only interest is their own personal gain, whether it's power or money or other kinds of gratification, ungodly gratification. We just never thought that they would be getting to make the rules. And consistently, yes, there's always been corruption.

There have always been uneven, bumpy aspects to all the systems. But it has been so institutionalized on so many levels, it's a big concern. I say that we're in the third existential crisis of our national history. The first was the revolution. The second was the civil war. We are now in the third existential crisis. When did it begin? Well, I feel like you could either say it has no real beginning.

I mean, it began with stealing the election by Joe Biden, but you could go backwards. It began when Trump came down the escalator. It began, these people have always been there, but they have not felt free to take their masks off and to actually behave this way until much more recently. But we are now seeing a brazenness that we've simply never seen before. And it's the brazenness that comes with, we know that you know, and you also know you can't do anything about it. Yeah.

I think it's an arbitrary point, and you write a lot about history, to decide when this began. You know, I mean, speaking to James Lindsay, for example, you know, he considers this all basically part of Marxist infiltration. Well, that's the point. It's like, where do you start? I mean, I would start in the Garden of Eden, frankly. That's where it began.

But, I mean, there's no way to, You know, do you go back to the French Revolution? Right. When do you go back to, this has been something that we've seen in history. But the fact is that even though these forces existed in this country, they've never been so open. They've never been so encouraged and brazen. And somehow Trump gave them the license. Trump is Hitler 2.0.

Throw the rules out the window. throw the rules out the window because now we will stop at nothing. He is such a threat, and God bless him for being such a threat, such a threat to the power of the deep state, the unit party, whoever they are, wicked people who do not love America, who do not love God. He was somehow such a threat to them, not even intentionally. That's what's so funny. It's just by being honest and by being open to ask questions. that they said we will stop at nothing. I remember I was at the inauguration in 2016,

and they had the quote-unquote women's march, and I thought, what is this? This is the most bizarre. They're ranting and raving like, you know, like Hitler just came to power, and, boy, we better do something about it. And they've never stopped. They've only gotten worse.

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I promise you. Welcome back. I'm talking to Ron Coleman. He's a partner at the Dylan Law Group, as in Harmeet, Dylan. And we're talking about what has happened to America. You just said Trump is an outsider. And that's the point that he scared. the insiders to death because he's not playing ball.

He's just, I love America, and let's try to do things right. And he's not, he never got the memo like, no, no, no, you don't do that. You don't move the embassy to Jerusalem. Shut up. You promised to do it. Say you'll do it, but don't, for God's sake, you don't actually do it. And you don't build an actual wall, and you don't ask questions, and you don't say those things about Hillary Clinton.

You just don't do that. And he thought, well, I wasn't raised to not do that, so I'm going to do that. And they just went scorched earth on him to where they created the J6 lie to imprison and threaten and intimidate anybody who dares to dissent. We are in an existential war. And Donald Trump, whether inadvertently or advertently, he is the voice of those people who love America and who want justice. there is an extraordinary commitment to Donald Trump among people that I encounter. To the point where people have gotten, I think, a little bit overboard. The suggestion that to think that perhaps Ronald DeSantis might be a better candidate

is some sort of treason to America to the Constitution to the Lord. All right, listen, reasonable men can disagree. Right, right. But he really, it's an extraordinary thing. I mean, he is really an absolutely historical figure for us to live during this time. And people so, like, I absolutely underestimated him. I didn't think that he had the sophistication and the ability that he did end up having and that I saw on display.

I was like a lot of people disappointed on some of the follow-through. And look, you're coming down from New York, you've been in the real estate business your whole life. Sure, you've got some experience with Hollywood, but Washington is a different universe altogether. And he made the mistake that any, again, reasonable person would make him saying, okay, well, I'm the Republican president,

so I'll just rely on my fellow Republicans. And they'll walk me through this. And they'll help, you know, they'll orient me to Washington and we'll get things done together. And I think somehow we managed, I managed to end up bringing up John McCain again, which I think I did last time I was here. He's just one of the many examples of just how that didn't happen.

Well, look, I think this has been the wake-up call. This is why we're living through historic times, because among other things, many people, myself among them, have woken up to the fact that the people we thought were our friends and allies are not. They are in it for themselves. And when we think of people like John McCain or Mitt Romney, both of whom I voted for, or even George W. Bush, you realize they are, John Zmirak always refers to them as the Washington generals who played the Harlem Globe Charters. Their job was to lose, to kind of pretend like we want to win and always to lose.

And I think what a consistent dishonesty is at the heart of that. So many people like you and me who weren't in on the joke who extended ourselves. That's the point. Well, this is, look, in my last book, Letter to the American Church, the last chapter is about Reagan, who actually wanted to defeat evil, actually wanted to destroy the former Soviet Union so that those people could be free. He actually believed, whereas, you know, everybody who's for detente or, or, or whatever, at least by the time you get to the mid-80s, they didn't really care about defeating evil.

They just wanted to kind of keep a nice thing going. And you think, well, you're supposed to care about defeating evil. You're supposed to care about fighting. And Trump is one of those guys. Like Reagan, he, to some extent, like Nixon. I mean, he actually is a simple person who believes, like, you know, corruption is bad. We have to fight to win. Freedom is good.

how much they've been through his underwear drawers. They've turned over every file cabinet in every location. What have they got? Yeah. What have they? It's unbelievable. I mean, who could stand up to that besides you and me, of course? But we're all born in Queens, you and me and President Trump.

So that's the kind of guys we are. That's correct. But most of America is not, you know, on that level. Well, that's what's so fascinating to me is that when you said about Ronda Santos, I think the reason people are so animated and, and passionate and supporting Trump is because they see what hell he's been put through. When you think about the lawsuits that have come against him,

you think, why would they be going after him like this? What are they afraid of? What are they so afraid of that they will do anything? They would be thrilled to put a bullet in his head. But short of that, they're going to do everything else they can do. And I think your average American says, why would they do this? What are they so afraid of?

They must be afraid of something, and they are. They certainly are. And it is the outsider thing more than anything else. And, you know, you bring up Reagan, who is, that was the shock to the system. Because the era of good feelings, the second era of good feelings, you might call it, the 50s, 60s. Even Nixon, they hated Nixon. Watergate was entirely about the House on American Activities Committee and nothing else. Okay, I just read a book by Ben Stein.

He was on this program. Ben Stein wrote a beautiful book. I'm going to have him on again. Well, he loves Nixon. about Nixon, and it's called the peacemaker. And he says that. In other words, he talks about how it was an absolute media coup d'etat. And they act like Watergate was a thing.

Watergate was nothing. It was people coming after someone because they hated his guts, because he dared to stand up to Alger Hiss, who was a communist spy, like an actual communist spy. But the left, they dig up. their heels. They don't care. They, they, they, they're going to fight their enemies. We're talking right now to Ron Coleman. We'll be right back. Welcome back. We're talking to Ron Coleman, who is a lawyer with the Trump campaign. So, yeah, we're talking about the hatred, this deep-seated

hatred for Trump that basically says all the rules are out the window. We will do anything and everything to keep him from getting the reins of power. So they are willing to subvert the will of the American people, which I am sure they did in 2020 and really did during his presidency. They're scared to death of we, the people. They're scared to death of America on the vision of the founders. It's more than, right, and it's more than stealing an election because that's almost an American tradition. What the hell, you know? Not quite, but we don't have time to argue. Go ahead. it is nonetheless true that every norm, every institution that we once thought we could rely on has thrown out.

I mean, the idea of using state and local prosecutors to go after a former president of the United States, it's mind-boggling, mind-boggling out the window. Nothing matters. Nothing matters. And it is that, you know, yes, Nixon was. a shock to the system. They took care of him. And he was such a good citizen. And he was such a good American. He said, listen, for the good of the country, for the good of the country, I'm going to step down. Well, he did it twice. He did it in 1960 when he was beaten by the fraudulent, you know,

JFK and company who tore away the election from him. And he nobly said, we'll let it go. But again, in 74, you know, rather than tear the country, Bill Clinton, wouldn't have resigned and didn't resign, but Nixon, the honorable statesman that he was, who loved America, he did. He cared about America more than himself. And Reagan was a next-level threat to them, and they weren't, I remember liberals at that time,

they couldn't believe. You know, it was Pauline Kale redo. I don't know anyone who voted for Reagan. How could this possibly happen? It happened. People aren't going to get the reference. Pauline Kale in 1970. This is the film critic for the New Yorker, and it died in the wool, New York liberal, famously said,

I don't know anyone who didn't vote for McGovern. And that is the point. They live in a bubble where they're never hearing dissenting opinions. The truth will not get in. And so this is where we are. It's the cultural elites despise these populist America-loving, you know, leaders. And that's the thing. They don't hate Trump at all.

They don't really care about Trump at all. He is merely a target. Yeah. I mean, I've lived in New York or in the New York area my entire life. Donald Trump, when he first got, when he got the nomination, all of a sudden I started hearing Donald Trump, racist. Racist. This guy's been in the real estate business in New York my entire life. And I never, ever heard anything like, there's no way you continue as a public figure, much less have the career or the celebrity.

His name was known as like, it was a catchword for gaudy, wealthy success. It had nothing to do with him. He was merely the receptacle for it. And we weren't ready. We were not ready. Well, it's kind of funny because having just read the Ben Stein book, they accused Nixon of being anti-Semitic, which is just insane. and, you know, he, according to Ben Stein, he almost single-handedly saved Israel. That story's not been told until Ben Stein's book.

We talked about it and we'll talk about it again. But they would accuse him of being anti-Semitic because the secular leftist Jews in America hated Nixon because of his, you know, prosecution of Alger Hiss. And so, but to call people these kinds of names, to call Trump a racist. Well, and that playbook doesn't seem to ever get old. No. So now Elon Musk is an anti-Semite. What? What?

Listen, you and I both know the people who are around Elon Musk. They include many Jews. The guy's a phylo-Semite. He is, again, I don't want him for a son-in-law, because I don't want anyone with a son. I only have a son, so I don't want anyone for a son-in-law. But he's, it's preposterous, but what do you do? You decide what fits this guy best? shall we call it racism?

Should we call it sexism? Should we call it groping? Should we call it anti-Semitism? Whatever it is, we'll get the witnesses, we'll get the affidavits, we'll have the demonstrations. There's no downside to it. We never ever pay. There's no apologies and no accountability.

And of course, at the heart of it all is the media. And I think the only hope is that that has been broken open, that we are seeing new media develop new kinds of, programming, that the monolithic power that, you know, you and I remember the three networks in PBS, that's gone. And so there's room, you know, with Elon Musk, you know, buying Twitter. There's still hope. There's still their voices out there that we did not have voices a number of years ago. So, but it is the media that perpetuates this. 100%. They're part of it. They're not even really a media.

they're a state, you know, they're a semi-state apparatus. Right. What can we talk about that makes us feel better about this? I mean, we, like you said, we're part of that movement. This discussion is part of that movement. We would never get on any of those three or four networks, but we've got TBN. We've got your podcast. We've got my itty, witty little podcast.

These matter. These are conversations that people have that do not fit the official script. And that's, we thank God, we still do have the freedom to do it. I wouldn't even say, I mean, on the one hand, I would say, thank God we have the freedom to do it. But I would say, not only do we have the freedom to do it, but it is increasing. Every day, more and more people are waking up to alternative voices, alternative media, because they realize they've been lied to. It took us all, you know, we all wake up at different times.

But people eventually wake up to the point, look, wait a minute, wait a minute, that's not. For me, it happened, I think it was 1987. I remember watching the way they treated Bork. I'll never forget it because I was a Yaley. I'd been, you know, trained to think that the Republicans are evil. And I remember just watching the way they treated him. And I thought, hold on a second. It was the first time that I had this moment.

I thought, this is not really, this is not the Democratic Party that I was taught to believe. even. They're being nasty. They're being unfair. It began an awakening for me. I'll just never forget it. And I think that that is happening to people in America like crazy. They're waking up that the stuff that they would have bought a couple of years ago, they're not buying it anymore. They've seen too much. We'll be right back talking to Ron Coleman. Don't go away. Welcome back talking to Ron Coleman, whom you can follow on Twitter. Ron Coleman, I first said that your number one credential for being here today is that you're a Jew. And we're living through some crazy times. That is right now the most dramatic example of it, what we're seeing. The great irony here is that we've been talking about how Donald Trump was a threat to the system,

threat to a very well-established, very comfortable administrative, you know, call it the deep state if you want, which is employing a world of savages and a culture of violence and savagery to its own ends. You would think that they would recognize the ultimate existential threats to themselves, but like Mensheviks, they don't. They don't recognize Bolsheviks.

They think that they're the ones who, after the revolution, will be Chuck Schumer's the best possible example of that. Here's a guy who plays the Jewish card whenever it's politically, you know, useful for him, but is absolutely in bed, whatever it takes for him to retain his power. Do you know how much money this man has accumulated as a United States senator? If you have no principles, you can get rich very easily by being a senator. So that's where we are. It doesn't give me a lot of comfort to say that the bad guys end up getting it in the neck as well.

If I'm going to already have gotten it in the neck six months earlier, we got to keep fighting and we are. We have to also remember that God runs the world. Well, see, that's the thing. Apart from that, and this is what I see happening, this is part of this, you know, awakening across this country. I think a lot of people who weren't spiritual or wouldn't talk about God are turning to God because they're saying this is madness. This is evil. When things are just not great, you might not turn to God. But when you see evil, when you see madness on a level like this, you know, you need somebody who could part the Red Sea.

You need a God of miracles who can intervene and who does intervene and who has intervened. And I do see that happening across America, that things are so bad that there are people who ordinarily wouldn't talk about God. Tucker Carlson, classic example, saying that we need to pray. We need to. People who are paying attention kind of see that ultimately. it's a spiritual issue. And Jewish people, much to my surprise, are reaching out, asking, where can I learn more? There's got to be meaning for me in being Jewish other than being a victim. Because being a victim, I've just been reminded, isn't a lot of fun and not very fulfilling.

Well, again, we're in New York City. This city hasn't gone the way yet of Portland or Seattle or a lot of these cities that have fallen apart. it's interesting to me that New York is still relatively safe. It's not what it was a few years ago, but we're not back to Dinkins either. So I think that there's some sanity, but I guess my point with all that is that it seems to me that a lot of Jews are waking up. The vicious anti-Semitism is waking up, you know, kind of secular liberal Jews. So we had Jason Alexander, you know, George from Seinfeld posting the other day. A lot of people, it's just common sense finally is catching up with some folks. That can only be for the good.

Oh, it is for the good. There's no doubt about it. I think that we have, whether it's Bill Maher, a number of people are saying, hey, wait a minute. Hey, wait a minute. It's gone too far. But I do think that there's an awakening among Jews across America. They're thinking, you know, I didn't think it could go here. I just didn't think it could go here.

You're right. It can. And the difference is that we do have the tools, we do have the institutions still that we can fight back. And we have to fight back. And if you're not fighting back, folks, you're part of the problem talking to... Actually, we're done talking.

Ron Coleman, thank you for being my guest. People can find you on Twitter. Ron Coleman. Thank you. What a pleasure. Thanks.