The Eric Metaxas Show - Ryan Girdusky

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

Ryan Girdusky returns to discuss current events, including the speaker race and Israel 

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And look, he's in the studio. Ryan, welcome back. Thank you for having me again. I know you drove here from Queens. Yeah. That's a challenge. Took me a little time. That's why I don't live in Queens anymore.

I moved out of Queens. Oh, gosh, I think it was June 72. We got out of that area. The area was getting bad. Jackson Heights was like. the drugs were coming in and my parents wanted to get me out of there. Thank God there are no drugs in Manhattan. No, no, not anymore. Not since Giuliani.

Okay, so you are a political consultant. You're a commentator on politics and yada, yada, yada. You write the national populist newsletter on substack. So I want to talk to you about current events. I want to talk to you about Israel. But let's talk about, I haven't talked about the speaker's race on this program, everyone, myself included, doesn't have a clue where that is as of today. Yeah. Well, the votes are happening.

They're doing through rounds at the Republican Conference. So basically it's going to go where the person who got the least amount of votes has to drop out. And then they're going to have one nominee to go for. Tom Emmer, who is the majority leader. Rhino Bum. Yeah, go ahead. Is he? No?

Am I wrong? I don't know. He was a Rino Bum. He is definitely fail forward in life. What's the positive way of saying Rino Bum? useless. Well, why would you call him a rhino? I don't know. Tell me about him. He's the congressman from Minnesota. He replaced Michelle Bachman.

Is he not a rhino? He's a very mainstream, I think, Republican. I don't necessarily call him a rhino. Okay, Bada-bang, mainstream Republican. Well, I think we're at a point now where we need somebody like a Jim Jordan or a Byron. What's his name? Donald. So you, I guess, this is why I have you on the program. you don't think he would be so bad.

I don't think he'd be good. No, he's not my first choice. I think that he was, he ran the Republican conference in 2022 for the midterm elections to try to win the House back, and he did a miserable job. And he still managed to fail forwards because one of the older congressmen, when they were voting on who the majority leader should be, one of the older congressmen said he accidentally voted for him instead of the other guy, and he only won by one point. So he's failed forwards. I don't think he'd be a good chairman. The thing that a person needs to be a speaker is someone who could, A, raise a ton of money because that has a, speaker, you are the head of the party and you are supposed to continue the majority and to

have a vision. Nancy Pelosi was a brilliant speaker of the Democrats because she raised a bucket of money. She kept people online and she had a vision for what she wanted to do in the country. And Hitler was also a great leader. Okay. I just want to be very clear. He was very effective. He knew he wanted to wipe out the Jews. You need to know what the end game is.

You have to have a vision. And I think the problem with a lot of Republicans is they haven't either A, I have been able to raise a lot of money. be but not have a vision or three can't keep their party in line. I think that for that reason, if I were to sit there, no one listens to me anyway, but I think that Congressman Johnson from Louisiana is probably the best bet. He's pissed off the fewest people. He has a pretty broad coalition. He does raise a lot of money.

He's been there for five terms. He's conservative without being, without isolating moderates, which is very important in the party because there's so many Republicans in Biden districts right now that are not going to go with the Jim Jordan. They're not going to go with the Byron Donald's. And I think that he's the best we could do at the moment. The problem with, you know, Jim Jordan is Jim Jordan can't raise a ton of money. He can't be a nationwide fundraiser.

Byron Donald's been there for two terms. Not a lot of experience. Fairly a new name. And I said the greatest like 7D chess move is if Byron Donald's become speaker and foregoes is a run for governor of Florida, which Gates wants to run for as well. it would be the most brilliant move in the whole world that Gates would basically get his leading contender for the governor of Florida position out by making him speaker of the House so he could run for governor alone. All right, we don't need to talk 7D. This is a 2D kind of program.

So let me just say, ideologically, Jim Jordan is a hero. Byron Donald's is a hero. When I hear them speak, I think that's the kind of leadership we need. Now you're saying practically speaking, there are other issues. Well, Jim Jordan is not, I mean, I'm not a big huge fan of Jim Jordan. Why? Because, I mean, he's a sellout to Google. Jim Jordan is, Jim Jordan during the whole, like, do big tech censor conservatives, Jim Jordan was on the side of big tech. He was one of the few Republicans.

When you say he's a sellout to Google, don't you mean he's a sellout to, like, the free market? No. He's one of those people that says, oh, it's the free market and we can't do that? No, Jim Jordan defends big tech all the time against conservatives. He's a major, major, most of his big donations come from big tech. And he doesn't wear a jacket. Which also does Ryan. Last time I was here.

Unbelievable. I know. Wow. Okay. Or a tie. At least he's wearing a tie. All right, but no, seriously, this is interesting because this is kind of the weeds level that I don't normally get into. So it's fascinating to talk to somebody who actually understands that stuff. So what do you think will happen today? I mean, today, this is what, Tuesday? What is happening today? Well, right now the vote's going to happen.

They're going to whittle it down to one person. probably today. The question is it going to be Emmer or not Emmer? Emmer is the leading person. McCarthy is supporting Emmer. If it's not Emmer, who is the alternative to Emmer? In the first round of the votes, it was Emmer, then Johnson, who I mentioned, Donald was in third place, and Kevin Hearn from Oklahoma was in fourth place. As they whittle that down, as the numbers get smaller and smaller and smaller, who is the alternative to Emmer? And I think that that's the big question. So you probably don't think it was a good thing that Matt Gates did what he did? I think that if I question what our conservatives are going to get?

What are we going to get? If we're going to get so they're the, the Ukraine war is going to end tomorrow, then it was totally worth it. But what are we going to get? I want to know what the end goal is. I'm not a very big philosophical person. I'm a meats and potatoes person. Show me where, show me what the money is. Show me where the meat is. Show me what we're going to actually do. But I mean, when somebody like Kevin McCarthy said he was going to do stuff and didn't do it, you know, when he said he's going to release the J-16. tapes and didn't do it. That's strike three. Like you said you're going to do something. It's a character issue. Why didn't you do it? I get it. So to me, you're out. And then the question is, whoever you support, I would say I wouldn't support them because why, you know, why would I want to go with somebody that you're supporting when you didn't do what you said you're going to do?

I get it. But even like, even Jim Jordan gave concessions where he was going to continue to fund Ukraine. He was going to continue to push a CR. I want to know what we're going to. It's a CR. Continuing resolution. Who do you think you're talking to here? Sorry. Continuing resolution. We're humble people. We don't know what that is.

All right. So, yeah, so it's very, politics is so tough. It's so tough because I, you know, you can't be, it's not pure ideology. You have to, it's the art of what's possible. I don't know who said that. Somebody. Eric Metaxa said that. Significant, yeah.

Politics is the art of what's possible. But, all right, so that's interesting. And so today, we're not going to choose a speaker, but we'll narrow it down to one person today. We'll narrow it down to one person and they'll take a vote. Democrats already said that they would probably stand down so that way Emmer becomes a speaker as a possibility. I didn't give enough to support. Well, of course, because they can't do better than him. Of course not.

That is the best. For them. Yes. Yeah, for evil to continue in American politics, you need Emmer. It's, man, it's so ugly. Well, what else is happening in the world? since we're talking to somebody who is following the news of the day. Should we talk about Israel?

Yeah, I mean, everyone is. Yesterday on Twitter, I reposted, retweeted some stuff that was so disturbing. In other words, what Hamas did to people so evil that it's, I don't even want to repeat it on the air. And that's what's interesting to me. I keep saying it's like if you have a cause, right? And everybody, you know, says, well, this is a cause, the Palestinian people. Okay, great, you have a cause. How are you going to behave?

How did Martin Luther King Jr. behave? How did he lead his people? What Hamas did to me, it ends the conversation. I don't want to hear one word about the Palestinians. When your gang does what? what they did. It's like game over. People need to go to jail or die for what Hamas did. And then we'll talk after. Where am I wrong? Or is there, how do you see this playing out? Because when you confront what they did, it's not a wartime thing. It's not like, oh, you know, they sent a

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Welcome back. We're talking to Ryan Gurdoski, who is the author of the National Populist newsletter on Substack National Populist. So what is your sense of the situation with? with Israel right now. I just, I guess I find it fascinating that because Hamas did such wicked, sick, cruel, satanic things, like really evil things, I'm just fascinated that, that anybody who's concerned about the Palestinians would even open their mouths at this point. It's like you'd think that they would just go hide in shame. Well, I mean, that doesn't surprise and some people are concerned about humanitarian things because there's always that kind of person. But I am not

I'm not sadly shocked that the Palestinians did what they did. I am beyond angry that there are Americans right now protesting that they are good people for doing what they did. The fact that groups like Black Lives Matter, the fact that far left activists are sitting there and in some cases openly celebrating Hamas committing acts of terrorism and other times just benightly defending them at any given chance. And what I was, I'm doing something I've never done before. I don't usually call people when a big global thing happens saying has affecting you, but I've called a lot of my Jewish friends saying, are you okay? Because I'm not okay.

And if I'm not okay, you must not be okay either. And you almost think of yourself as a non-Israeli, as a non-Jew, am I saying enough? Am I doing enough? Am I, what can I do? Because I am more morally outraged on my fellow Americans are defending them, are protesting every major city right now, saying Hamas is good. and screaming from the river to the sea,

that is beyond the pale of what I really hope for my country. I mean, I just, I can't believe it. And the people who are doing this, and this is what I wish my Democrat friends, especially my Jewish Democrat friends, understood, the people who, a lot of them championed during Black Lives Matter and Occupy Wall Street and Bernie Sanders rallies are these people.

They hate you if you're American. They hate you if you're Israeli. They hate you if you're Jewish. They hate you if you're Christian. They hate you. If you're a capitalist, they hate you. If you're white, it is one versus the other. There is almost no difference.

These people hate any form of civilization in this world, especially Western civilization. And unless you realize that they are your enemy through and through, that they cannot be compromised with in any way, they can't be placated. And they must be, you know, the roots must be ripped out from all the universities and the institutions where they control. and if you don't realize that now, you're never going to. Because there's no way that they're ever going to sit there and move on this. They genuinely believe everyone from those people, every one of people in those kinds of groups are wicked, are evil, and they wouldn't mind destroying anybody,

irregardless of who they are. And Jewish Democrats better wake the hell up and realize what they are up against and what they supported during Black Lives Matter and Bernie Sanders and all the rest of it. It is the same exact people, and they will be there again when the next atrocity. happened. Well, and, you know, for me, this is where you begin to see, you don't need to see it,

but I think people, many people begin to see that it's a spiritual issue, because it makes no human sense. Why would these people be against every good thing? In other words, it'd be one thing, if you have an honest disagreement on something, and you wrestle and you say, well, I'm not with you on this, I'm with it. But they seem to be against freedom, America, It really is an extraordinary thing because you try to puzzle it out. How can that be? I mean, it's kind of like, you know, when the Nazis were dedicated to murdering every Jew, how do you talk to those people?

Right. Do you talk to them? No, you don't talk to them. You must defeat them militarily because we're beyond talking. Yeah, but we imported those people as the problem. America, through our immigration, are legal, not illegal. Our legal immigration, the mass immigration, imported that ideology here. All the Western Europe did.

There is almost no way of, we can't, we're not going to be starting, you know, executing our own Americans. There is no way of stopping that ideology now that, you know, you can't put the toothpaste back in the two. Now, what do you, I guess I'm not really clear exactly on what you mean by this. There are people on campuses. There have always been nuts. I mean, there've always been, you know. Those aren't the children of the American Revolution. Those are Arab children, first generation immigrants or immigrants themselves.

Those are the children of Ilan Omar, if she had children. But those were the her children. Those aren't white liberals, all of them. A lot of them are first generation Arab Americans who imported their hate here. This is not... I guess that's what I'm not familiar with. You're saying this is like in places like Detroit particularly or where we see this? The Detroit suburbs were celebrating openly.

I mean, they were celebrating. I mean, Times Square. I would say half to three quarters were Arab. I mean, it's not even funny. In Brooklyn, yesterday or two days ago, it was a human, in the Arab community at Bay Ridge, huge celebrations for Hamas. This was all imported this hatred towards Israelis and towards Jews. Our immigration system has huge ramifications. I always say it's the most important issue because it affects every other issue.

The further we continue our legal immigration is the way we have it now, the less. pro-Israel America will be in its future. You import 40 million more Arabs over the next 20 years, and you have huge constituencies that are open to pro-Hamahs. Now, we have to be clear, this is not a racial thing, because there are plenty Arabs that don't go along with this. This is a cultural thing. It's an ideological thing.

So what we're talking about, to my mind, in other words, it's one thing to bring in people who are anti-Semitic, right? But the real issue is whenever anybody comes into America, our job is to make them Americans, genuine Americans, that buy into our value system. Right. And that's what we have failed to do for 50 plus years. In other words, that we let people in and we don't really say to them, this is what it means to be an American. We say, then come on in, and, you know, you can bring in your- Well, when you bring in 1.1 million a year, which is what we bring in legally without the illegals,

it's very difficult to do that when you're such a mass consumption. We have double the amount that came in in 1999. We have quadruple the amount that came in in in 1979. So at such a high level, when it's like Fantasia with the water, you're trying to clip it up with buckets, how do you eventually do it, especially when the institutions of assimilation are of the radical left, the colleges, the universe, the media.

So they are assimilating. They're just assimilated to woke, white, tarb nonsense. And that is even more problematic. You could deal with it and you could deal with it when it's a smaller level. When it's a mass level like this, you can't really deal with it and you can't tolerate. And we've, you know, we've doubled our Muslim American population since 9-11. We doubled it. That is remarkable choice that a nation decides to do when a specific sect of a religion declares war on all the Western world. And that's going to be problematic into the future. Well, I have to say that already when I was in college in the 80s, you could see this.

This was already happening. You had Jesse Jackson chanting, hey, hey, ho, Western Siv has got to go. And you thought, wow. So Aristotle, Plato, Homer, well, who else? Aquinas, Shakespeare, all of that stuff. Somehow you're at odds with that. So what do you propose to replace that? And what they propose, they hardly know.

But it is toxic lunacy. Yeah, it's critical theory mixed with race-based critical theory. They want to have what failed nation states have across the entire world. And they never blame the ideology. It's always how it's practice. It's all nonsense. It's all bad. And you can't compromise it.

The one good thing that has come from all of this horrible things, both in Israel and in America, is these billionaires are finally pulling some of their money from these universities. And you're thinking about time. What were you waiting for? I've been saying this for years that anybody foolish enough to give a dime

to almost any university, but especially Yale or Harvard or any of these places, like you might as well hand your money to the devil. Like it is absolutely, I can't think of a worst thing you could possibly do with your money. But people, because they don't know anything, really. They just want to get their name on a building

or they want to get some street cred with their fellow elitists that they're giving money and what's being done with that money, but this is going back decades and decades. It's not a new thing. And it has to go this far that finally, you know, some billionaire Jewish businessman says,

oh, okay, I guess maybe I'm not going to give money to Harvard. Yeah. But so on some level, this is where I see good coming out of this, that things have gotten so sick that people who would normally never wake up are actually waking up. Yeah, I hope that. And, you know, we have a lot of elections coming up

in November for local things, school boards, which is my big issue, but also for the Virginia legislature, for the New Jersey legislature, for the New York City Council, for small elections locally. And it's a very low turnout. If Jewish Americans woke up,

even though they are small in numbers, they're high in certain densities, they could absolutely wake everybody up if they were to do some process. I'll tell you, with anti-Semitism at this level, ladies and gentlemen, boy, now's the time to wake up. Let me tell you, speaking of which, if you want to help Israel, and I know you do, I'm asking you to go to metaxis talk.com. Right now, metaxis talk.com, click on the banner. We need your help.

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Use promo code Eric or Mypillow.com. Welcome back. We're talking to Ryan Gurdeski on the state of American politics. Israel. Ryan is the author of the National Populist newsletter on Substack. Populist makes me think, of course, of Donald Trump, whom I think of as a populist in the best sense. Do you think Trump will get the nomination and go on to win a year from now? I think as long as he's not dead or in jail, I get the nomination. And he is the strongest, I actually wrote this piece for Sub-Sach today. He is the strongest he's ever been as a candidate at any point in any election than he is right now, which is shocking when you consider all of the indictments against him. But it is also not surprising, given that this is the

first time he's running against an incumbent, and the economy is just garbage. I mean, the economy could not get worse for average. But it will get worse. Yeah. I mean, it's just when you look at food, I don't, I don't believe the government metrics on food prices. I think food prices have probably doubled of the last two years, not increased by 15 percent or wherever they're saying. And home abloans are going for eight and a half percent. It's completely out of the range for most younger people. And I think if he has, I think that the message, he needs to sit there and convey is one that was closer to his 2016 message and his 2020 message. But he's definitely in the best position he's ever been. And Joe Biden has institutional

support that helps him. And I would say the election now is probably a 55% chance, 60% chance chance Biden's reelected versus Trump. But it's getting closer and closer and closer. That is so mind-blowing. I mean, you want to talk about a disconnect in America. Have we ever seen a worst president, literally ever, than Joe Biden. I cannot think of in the history of our nation, of anyone who competes. Well, I mean, I think that look at the map as it is. If you start off with what percentage of people vote, so 12% of the population is black. Blacks vote 90%. Let's say, let's say Trump, because amazing, it's 12%. 87% for Democrats. So that automatically brings 11 points to Joe Biden's column. Then you look at the Hispanic and the Asian vote.

That's 17%. He'll win probably 60 to 65% of those votes. So then you're at another 10 points. So he's at a quarter, 25% of the vote with just that. Of the white working class, that's a third of the population. He'll win maybe 35% of that vote. And that gives another 9, 35%. And then he wins the majority of the college educated vote, which is another third. And he's at 50%.

That's how you get the 50% number. Now, the biggest constituency of voters who voted for Joe Biden, believe you not, were whites without a college degree. They were the biggest plurality of the Joe Biden Coalition. Joe Biden just axed going to Iowa for the Iowa caucus. Democrats said because there was too many white people. They axed going to New Hampshire because there was too many white people. He was giving out farmers' loans,

prioritizing the 1% of farmers who are black because there's too many white people who are farmers. He has done racialized politics every chance he can to sit there. He was going to nominate Kamala Harris, despite her being a completely horrendous choice for vice president. Wait a minute. Are you saying that she's a bubbleheaded, giggling fool? Are those the words that you use?

She's black-killering. Can I tell you, first of all, she's, I don't even see how she's black. She's Indian-American, phony, whatever she is. She is the most substance-free vice president. We've had some bad ones, but the idea of a giggly, bubbleheaded woman being the leader of the free world. I mean, this is what the Democratic Party has brought to us. Because Joe Biden, I don't know if he survives this term, if he has a stroke, whatever.

There's a good chance that he doesn't even survive this term, in my opinion. So the idea that this giggly, bubbleheaded woman, I mean, on an astonishing level, she has proved herself over and over and over and over to be, as I say, a giggly substance-free vice president. That's why I don't pick somebody based on race and gender. That's why you don't pick somebody with race and gender. It's just so ridiculous that it's almost unbelievable. And I think most people in the Democratic Party must be cringing at the thought that she could, you know, she's one heartbeat away, as they say, from the presidency.

Yeah. It's just, I don't know, it's, it's so horrible, it's almost funny to me. Hey, that's an interesting way of putting it. I think that you look at the layout of the land and it is viable. Maybe not for comma. I think she's too unpopular, but for Joe to win a second term. And that's why literally slight changes. How does a third party candidate affect the election? How does the white working class affect the election? Do people who sit out of the election, young people and minorities who, you know, are in love with Joe Biden? Do they sit out of the election? What is going to happen to that they're in change it? Because most Americans do not like basically anyone who's running for president at all.

I don't think they like anybody. There is no one with a 50% approval rating of any Republican or any Democrat. So that's the big question is who do they like lease, which is a weird position a country should be in. Well, if Trump, you know, is the candidate, which he will be, If you don't vote for him, you're bringing things on this country. I mean, you're going to have to be a big boy and big girl and figure this out for your kids and your grandkids. You don't need to love somebody to feel like, you know, they're the best person for the job. So it is going to be interesting.

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But right now, I have the joy of speaking with Ryan Gurdeski, a native New Yorker. We're talking about everything in the news. We're talking about, we talked about the speaker's race, talked about Israel, talked about the presidential race coming up next year. And I wanted to ask you, Ryan, about the idea of a third-party candidate. I'm old enough to remember John Anderson, Ross Perrault. Third party candidates, it's always a really bizarre thing. I mean, Clinton would never have been elected in 92, if not for Ross Perrault. It's interesting that we have RFK Jr. coming in as an independent. First of all, somebody said to me, he's not going to be able to register in enough states.

What's your sense of that? So it's very difficult for him to register in every state to get on the ballot in every state. Ballot access is very, very difficult unless you're part of an established party. So libertarian has it, I think, in every state. Green Party has it in most states. Wouldn't he be able to get on as a Green Party candidate in most states? He's not running his Green Party, though. Yeah, but what I'm saying is wouldn't he be able to also run his Green Party?

No. The party has to endorse you. He's not even running for the party. Cornell West was running for Green Party and then dropped because he didn't want to agree to everything the Green Party agrees with. So he wants to run his own kind of thing. So Cornell West is running as an independent, but I really doubt he'll get on the ballot in many states. There are some states that are very easy, like Illinois is pretty easy to get on the ballot with.

Kanye West is able to get on the ballot in 2020 in Illinois. I don't think that. Say what? Kanye West in 2020. Oh, I heard you. I just wanted to say, say what? Because I forgot about that one. Yeah.

He got a couple of votes in Illinois. But Robert of Kennedy has the money at least because he is won a Kennedy. He's got the Kennedy money, too. He's got a lot of Hollywood friends. I mean, I think that he's actually Glenn Close's daughter's godfather. Gizondheim, say that again? Glenn Close's daughter's godfather. I don't know what that means.

I don't have no idea what that means. But thank you for trying to bring that to my attention. But no, he's very well connected to Hollywood. He'll have money. He'll have some backing. He could get on the ticket in a lot of places. And the question is, where does his message resonate with what base? That's a big question.

Well, the fact that he's been talking about the vaccines, like nobody's business, that's a lot of people. I think that could steal a lot of people from Trump because Trump has, you know. Trump is very supportive of the vaccines. Is he still? Yes. Yes. He will never back down from the vaccines. He will always be supportive of the vaccines.

Oh, he's got a problem with me. Hey, hey, Trump. No, it's interesting because I think that people in his base are telling him he needs to change on that. So I don't know that I would agree with it. He doesn't talk about it much anymore, but he is, every time he brings it up in an interview, he is extremely supportive Operation Warp. C. He doesn't apologize for anything. He doesn't apologize for anything. He's not going to change his mind for this or apologize for this. Well, that's what's so fascinating to me is that he has this kind of like, you know, it's worked for him. Whenever something works really well for somebody, it's hard for them to change. Even when it's time to change, right? So if you're like somebody who, well, it's kind of like somebody who's so great at, you know, shooting with their right hand or dribbling with their right hand that they never learn how to dribble with their left hand

because why bother? This is a man who, it's almost like he has some inner code, never apologize, never retreat, you know. Right. And part of me gets that. But in a case like this, when you were fooled, lied to,

I mean, I think maybe if he spins it differently, But look, to some extent, he admits that he brought in people. I don't know that he's spoken about Fauci. But it's obvious that when he came in in 2016, he was naive. He didn't understand how Washington worked. He tried to do the, you know. Well, he allowed a Democrat to fill his administration, his son-in-law. So that's what happens.

Right. And he picked a liberal Democrat from New York to fill his administration. And guess what? A liberal Democrat picked moderate Republican. Right. But what I'm saying is I think now it's pretty obvious as a result of what has happened that he doesn't make the same mistake twice, that he understands that he brought people in who stabbed him in the back. Let's face it. I mean, he didn't think that the people he was bringing in were going to work to undermine him or whatever. And that he didn't course correct, which is my problem with Donald Trump. What do you mean he didn't course correct? He was told very early on, X, Y, this person's attacking you for. stabbing in the back. This person is, this person is. Didn't fire them, never fire them.

Like who was stabbing him in the back? Like Johnny DeStefano, who was the head of his personnel office, who did all the hirings, not within the White House, but underneath the White House and all the administrative cabinet jobs. He was openly saying, I won't hire pro-Trump people. He was told by people that he was not, and Johnny worked there for three of the four years. So he didn't course correct very often, which is a problem of Trump as a person. of the law of his. It's not, of course, correcting. But Robert of Kennedy getting back to him is very interesting because not only is he running on this anti-vax stuff, but he's also running on reparations for slavery. So, like, parentheses, dumbest thing ever.

It's so fascinating. Now, is he doing that just to get liberal Democrats excited about him? I mean, he's also running on a border wall. So the guy is very, the guy is running to the tune. He's not trying to check all the boxes of a single party. He's running to the, he's running to the, beat of his own drum. He's saying we need a border wall, reparations for slaves, and no vaccine. Reparations for slave is so stupid that I'm actually shocked. Like, I'm actually shocked that he would even bring that up. But he's getting to the left of Biden on something because Biden would never endorse. So that's kind of what I'm saying. Is he doing that just to get to the left of Biden? I don't know. But if he steals 2% of the black vote from Biden in Pennsylvania, Michigan,

and Wisconsin, Trump will win all three states. So it is very, very, very interesting where he gets Now that's interesting. Yeah. So it is a very complex scenario which Robert Kennedy is doing. We'll see what states he gets on the battle from. We'll see if he crosses a 5 or 10% threshold. They had a poll today. Cina poll did that at 16% in New York.

I don't think he'll be that high. But if he crosses a certain threshold, it'll be a question of whether he can get on a debate stage or not because he is a very weird mixture of ideas and issues that he's kind of creating together. Right. If there's a coalition for that or not is a big question. All right. We'll be right back talking to Ryan Gurdowski. The National Populist Newsletter is where you can find him on Substack. Don't go away. Welcome back talking to Ryan Gurdowski. Folks, before I forget, I am demanding that you go to Metaxistalk.com and that you click on the banner. I'm demanding this.

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And he's like a bizarre candidate in a good way. Like, there's something, I think that's his main appeal, is he's so refreshing. Yeah. People actually in polls generally say they like him the most of anybody, although Majority doesn't like him. I think that anyone who could cobble together an interesting coalition, anyone who seems like they are honest about their opinions

and they're not trying to appease every group within their coalition, it sounds refreshing. I don't know if there's any voters who will support him. Maybe there are a few. And let's see if you can get any youth support from that or any people who are most likely to vote for third party. Canada, which usually tend to be people out of college degree, young people, Hispanics, sometimes vote third party.

So let's see if anyone will kind of coalesce around him, but he's at least trying something different, interesting. And if it works, then maybe it'll open up a new chapter of American politics. I don't think it will, but you never know. When do you see Ron DeSantis dropping out? In other words, to me, it seems at some point he has to drop out. When do you suppose that might be? Well, Desana is and everyone seems to putting all their effort in Iowa. Iowa is a caucus that's on a primary, so it's an interesting process. Iowa caucuses tend to have upsets. I think that they're hoping for an upset in Iowa. If they do get one, which is not out of the question, they could win Iowa. The governor seems to be supporting him. A lot of evangelical leaders are supporting him. And caucuses take like 14 hours. It's not like a, oh, you show up, you don't leave. You're there for all day long. And it's all about organizations. So that's on his side. If he wins Iowa,

he's probably staying in through Florida. If he does win Iowa, I don't think he stays into his home state. So that's like the big question. Because New Hampshire's like right after Iowa like three days later. So generally you kind of stay through New Hampshire as well. And New Hampshire independence can vote in the New Hampshire primary, registered independence, not just Republicans.

So I think that the big question is, Kenny went Iowa, which is a caucus, so it's a weird combination in Kenny Wynn, New Hampshire. And does Tim Scott, Mike Pence, Chris Christie, do they drop out and say if we're really anti-Trump, which 40% of the Republican primary want someone besides Trump, do they sit there and say, let's just coalesce, let's stop the nonsense? Because most of them aren't even in the last debate.

Scott, Christy, and Pence didn't make the third debate. Scott, Christy, and Pence didn't even make the third debate. It's just Haley, DeSantis, and Vivek. That's it. Wow. I know. Which is nice because they give time to talk, which is like you never get a chance to talk about.

I don't know, but with the three of them, I don't know that it's that nice. I don't know that I want to hear them talk that much. Well, listen, Ryan, a joy to have you, the National Populist newsletter, substack. Folks, in case I haven't told you, you have an obligation to go to Metaxistock.com like right now. This is urgent, ladies and gentlemen, metaxis talk.com. The phone number, if you prefer to call, please, 800, 235-775, Israel at war. 800, 235-775. Give something. 800, 235-7775.