The Eric Metaxas Show - Sara Barratt

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

Sara Barratt, Editor at Rebelution, has a brand new book to encourage young Christians, "Stand Up, Stand Strong: A Call to Bold Faith in a Confused Culture."

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You're really too young to be an author, I think. You're just a kid. You're just a kid. But you've written a book called Stand Up, Stand Strong, A Call to Bold Faith in a Confused Culture. I've interviewed you before. What was your last book? Love Riot.

Okay. And I've interviewed your sister, who's way older than you. Like three or four years older than you, right? Yeah, she's four years older than me. Do you have any siblings that are not authors? No, it's just the two of us. So we're the only ones you're going to get. So you don't have a third one.

All right. So you're all authors. All right. So what, and I should mention you're the editor-in-chief of therevolution.com. It's spelled rebel, the rebelution, revolution.com. Okay, so stand up, stand strong, a call to bold faith in a confused culture. What made you want to write this book? Well, it really began when I heard a study from the Barner group done in 2018 that says,

that only 4% of Gen Z has a biblical worldview. And that's my generation. We are really the least Christian generation. And that just broke my heart so much because I've heard so many of my peers asking so many hard and important questions. You know, how do I respond to this crazy world that we live in? How do I think about LGBTQ issues? How do I navigate all the pressure from the world and the culture around us? And as Christian teens especially, it can be so difficult and so confusing. How do we navigate these things with clarity and with biblical truth in the midst of all the pressure that we have from our culture? So I just wanted to provide a resource that would help encourage teens to know how to do that, to know how to navigate

this culture with clarity, with biblical truth, with the truth of God's word first and foremost, and just encourage them that we don't have to be among that 96%. We can be the 4% that stands strong for God's truth and that that 4% can really grow. I assume that you and your sister, remind me your sister's name. Amanda. No, that's not it. Yes, it is. Yeah, you would know.

She's your sister. I assume that you and Amanda were raised in an environment of faith, obviously. Yes, we were very thankful for that. We were homeschooled throughout our entire school years and just really our parents did such a good job at not only just taking us to church, but in some. stealing in us biblical truth and what does that mean how does that apply to your daily life so they did an amazing job and I'm so thankful that I had that background and that upbringing well so what so then what do you talk about in this book so we we start out by discussing like what is a worldview and so many of us

don't even realize that we have a worldview like we don't understand that these certain the ways we answer some of the big questions of life it affects every part and every aspect of our life and then we go into post-truth, like what is a post-truth culture? What is the definition of truth? How does it change and transform our life? And then from that foundation, moving on to tackling some of the hot button, nitty-gritty issues of our day. And how do we look at these things through the lens of scripture, not just through the lens of our culture or through the lens of our own opinion, but what does the word of God say about these things? And then from there end with, how can we take this truth and put it into the world? Well, the way we can we.

we engage with the world around us. How can that affect our conversations, our actions, and really the way that we live on a mission for Jesus Christ? I think the reason it's hard for young people to be strong in their faith is because you've never had social media that's effectively ubiquitous. There's nowhere that you are that you're not surrounded by input. from someplace that's not your mom and dad or whatever. And that's, so that's a new thing.

It is. It is. We are, our generation is dealing with more information than really any generation prior. We have new, unique struggles that the generations before us didn't have to deal with. And it's, you know, it's kind of the downside of the free market. You probably know about this intuitively, but the idea is that we will get from the free market what we want. And so some of that is good and some of that is bad. the free market, which is to say social media, it's sort of feeding whatever gives it profit.

It's not really thinking. It was the people behind whatever it is, whether it's Instagram or wherever you want to look. They're not really thinking about what's good and right and true. They're just thinking of what works and how can we get it to work more. And it's obviously had a harmful effect on your generation. It has. It really has. And we're living in such a post-truth age that the question, what is true, is never answered objectively anymore.

It's all subjective according to our preferences and our emotions. Well, so even that, when you talk about biblical worldview, the idea that there is such a thing as truth is the biggest piece of the biblical worldview. The idea that there is actually something called truth. Yes. And if you're not aware of that or if you don't hold to that, then you don't have a biblical worldview. And then you're really kind of a sitting duck for bad ideas because you don't have any anchor. Absolutely. And really, because the most important things in our culture, the way that we think, have become subjective truth.

You know, the existence of God, it's a subjective truth now. You can believe that if you want to believe that or if it's not for you. You don't have to believe that there is a God. So because that has become subjective, everything else that really matters has also become. subjective. You know, moral absolutes do exist if a moral authority also exists. But because that moral authority, the existence of God has become subjective in our culture, everything else is also subjective. And that leaves us floundering in this culture of confusion where truth doesn't have to exist anymore. I think for me, I mean, as time has passed, and I'm slightly older than you are, I think, technically.

But one of the things that I've noticed is that your attitude, our attitude as Christians is important. Now, what I mean by that, it sounds like kind of a blanket statement, but what I mean by that is I think a lot of times Christians have adopted a kind of a shyness or a diffidence about saying what they believe, which at some level becomes preposterous. because you and I know that God exists. We don't believe God exists. We know God exists. And to pretend in any way that, well, maybe he doesn't, is kind of like lying. In other words, when you believe something firmly and totally and boldly,

when somebody purports the opposite, you kind of look at them like, are you kidding? You know, you don't say, yes, yes, that you say, no, that's ridiculous. One plus one cannot equal three. You have to understand that's not possible. I think sometimes as believers, we forget that people want to know what's true. Yes, they do.

And sometimes even as Christians, we telegraph this idea that, well, it's only what I believe. When you think, no, it's not what I believe. This is the foundation of all of reality. And nothing works without this. And so my theory is that we have to. to push back on the idea that it's a subjective thing. It's not subjective, any more than math is subjective or hard sciences are subjective. Like, it's just reality. And if I'm wrong, show me where I'm wrong. Absolutely. But, you know, it's, we're not doing anybody any favors by

being so, you know, on some level you can be respectful of a position that you shouldn't be respectful of. You can be respectful of the person. Absolutely. But not of their ideas. But I mean, that's tough in your generation, I think that that's a challenge. And really, to add on to that, we're told so much that we can't argue with ideas in the name of being loving. Well, you have to love that person in unconditional love. Now, what does that mean? It means unconditional affirmation, affirming everything that they stand for, affirming their

beliefs in the name of love. But really, truth itself is the most loving. That's how truth and love are bonded together the best. is that truth is loving because that truth points us to God who embodies love. I don't know who raised you and your sister, but a lot of the stuff you say is very impressive. Is that woman over there? Is that your mother? Yes, it is.

I think I have a hint that, yeah. It's great to talk to you. We'll be right back, folks. I'm talking to Sarah Barrett, the author of a brand new book, Stand Up, Stand Strong, a call to bold faith in a confused culture. And I will sing on the love. a body wants to lose away to get back home. Tell me, Eric, why is relief factor so successful at lowering or eliminating pain? I'm often asked that question.

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Hey, the folks. Welcome back. I'm talking to Sarah Barrett, who has a new book out. It's called Stand Up, Stand Strong, a call to bold faith in a confused culture. So, Sarah, what does that look like to you? In other words, how do we do this? Standing Strong looks like building our lives on the foundation of the Word of God first and foremost. That's where it all begins. It's not our opinions. It's not our ideas. It's what does scripture say? That is our foundation for standing strong. We're called to be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might. We're called to build our lives on the foundation of His Word. So really it begins with knowing the Word. We are in many ways, biblically illiterate Church. So knowing the Word of God, building our lives upon it,

believing that it is total truth, not just for our spiritual lives, but for the entirety of our lives. And there are a lot of people, I guess, who don't, like, that's a hard thing for them to think of the concept of the Bible is the word of God. Yes. But the more you know it and the more you live it, the more you realize it is. It's true. And you're kind of foolish not to live according to it, but the Lord doesn't force us. But at the same time, if you want to be successful, if you want to be emotionally healthy, if you want to have healthy relationships, this is the game plan, basically. But do you find it difficult to communicate this to people who don't agree with you? Or do you think, in other words, what do you think the strategy is?

Maybe the strategy is to make sure that those who sort of believe it really believe it. I mean, it seems to me that's who you're trying to reach with your book, people that would be inclined to believe it, but they need a shot in the arm. Well, really, the strategy is just to preach the word, just to be faithful to the word of God. I think often we try to put some kind of new. spin on it, try to put some tactic in there to make it appealing or attractive, to try to get someone who doesn't believe, to believe. When really, you know, what do we preach?

We preach Christ crucified, as you say, as it says in 1st Corinthians 1. That is the message. It is the power of God to those who believe. So if we truly believe that, then all we have to do is just preach the word in truth, in authenticity. Just keep it as the word of God. just present it. What does it say? And I think so often we forget that the power is in the word of God. We don't have to add on to it. We don't have to make it this appealing message. We can just share what the

word says, and that is the power. I know Dietrich Bonhoeffer, your sister wrote about Dietrich Bonhofer, and I've written about Bonhoffer. You have not. I have not written about Bonhofer yet. It's not an obligation in life. You don't have to do that. But the reason I bring up Bonhofer is because he made a big point of saying what you just said. Yes. That the Bible is, I can't remember the word he used. It would have been in German anyway, so it doesn't matter. But it really is, it speaks for itself.

It does. And our desire to want to explain it or whatever, sometimes can get in the way. And that we just need to say, no, this is reality. This is truth. And I just feel like it's kind of an American thing, but the younger you are, probably the more guilty you are, of wanting to please people and wanting to tell them what they want to hear. Yes. And we have to resist that, that we're not really being loving when you say to somebody, you know, who is confused about their gender, like, yes, yes, you need to go with that. Maybe that's the least loving thing you can do.

Yeah, and really the difficulty, I've heard from so many teens, so many Christians that are wondering, well, okay, how do I navigate conversations on these topics? I want to, you know, I want to share the truth. I want to make sure that they understand. But what they're really saying is how do I share it without offending this person? But the truth is often offensive. The gospel is an offensive message to those who don't believe. And so what they're really asking is, how do I make this offensive message inoffensive? And that's where our difficulty is. where we shy away from what is actually true, just because we don't want to be controversial, we don't want to be offensive. And, of course, we shouldn't be offensive in the way we share it. But the truth, the message itself, is often offensive to those that don't believe. And it's interesting because I think that part of the idea is that you have to be willing potentially to say something that could offend someone,

because it may be that that leads that person to go away and think and say, I don't know. And if you don't get in the way of it, if you're not being offensive, but that what you say is potentially offensive, it lets the person kind of wrestle with that, which may be the only way that they'll actually think about it, if they're challenged, but challenged in a kind way, I hope,

and where you let them save face, you're not trying to humiliate them, but you're trying to say, look, this is what it is. And, and, but again, in American culture, a lot of times Christians, especially young people, are very uncomfortable. It's almost like we bought into this, you know, false idea that we have to be liked by everyone and that my Christian, my Christian witness is dependent on my being winsome and likable when sometimes it's impossible to be winsome and likable because you're saying something

that's fundamentally difficult for somebody to process. But you have to be okay with that. You have to be comfortable with that. Right. And Jesus, he warned us of that. A servant is not greater than his master. If they hated you, if they hated Christ, they're going to hate you too. And so just having that foundation of we are following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ,

who is the way the truth in the life. If we're following in his footsteps, if we're bearing his message, then, of course, some people will accept it. A lot of people won't. and that's just the way it was for Christ. It's the same way it will be for us if we're actually sharing the message in truth. And so being prepared, you know, Christ prepared us for that by telling us these things. So it's the fact that we just have to be faithful to the message, be faithful to Jesus first and foremost.

And know that our goal in life is not to be popular. It's not to earn followers to ourselves. It's to glorify Jesus Christ, to glorify God. So how can we do that best on this earth? Maybe it will mean taking that road less traveled where it's not popular, where you're not accepted. Well, of course, this is the irony. This is the paradox at the heart of reality, which God constructed, is that, you know, he says it when he says, you know, if you try to cling to your life, you will lose it. And if you give up your life, you will get, that's the paradox.

And so you have to be willing to trust what he said, that if my goal is to be liked, ironically, I will end up not being liked in the end. If my goal is to just do what's right and true without worrying too much about being liked, in the end, people will be attracted to that, but you have to trust that. And I often say that, you know, like, if somebody's worrying, a lot of times, you know, you'll find this with youth pastors, they're trying to be hip or cool or relatable. And you think, you know what's cool? Like, courage is cool. Yeah.

And nobody doesn't respect courage, authenticity. Yeah. I know who I am. Even if you disagree with somebody, you go, I've got to respect that. That is very countercultural, basically. And I know that's kind of part of where you're coming from. So let's get into some specific issues of Christian worldview. What are some of the specific issues you talk about in the book?

I talk about sexuality, marriage, gender, sexual orientation. Right. Right. Right. Racism, injustice, addiction, media, all these issues. Everything. Pretty much. So, okay, when we're talking about sexuality, for me,

me, the question, if somebody takes the Bible seriously, somebody says, I'm a Christian, that to me is like the easiest litmus test or Shibbleath in a sense that you know God created sex for marriage between a man and a woman in life. It's a really beautiful idea, but it's just been tremendously denigrated since I was a kid, basically, for the last like 50 years. It's just been denigrated. But that in a way is one of the most fundamental fundamentally troubling things in the culture, is that even people who say they're Christians are a little shy about being clear about that.

Yeah, and really we have to recapture, as Christians, as the church, recapture what is this all about? Because there is a bigger and greater story at work within marriage and sexuality. You know, as it says in Ephesians 5, this is a representation. It's a great mystery of Christ and the church.

And so one of the ways that it has been so denigrated is that the church has missed. What does that really mean? What does that really look like? And so we put on our purity culture dues and don'ts, you know, don't have sex before you're married, all of these dues and don'ts that, you know, maybe the principles are good and important, but we forget, we miss out on the bigger story. And so the church doesn't understand it. So we won't be able to share it with the world either.

We won't be able to share that bigger story. story of God's truth with the world if we don't even understand it ourselves. And I think that part of the reason is I think a lot of times the evangelical church has adopted enlightenment rationalist principles. And we kind of look at things very, how do I put it? It's almost like we look at them digitally and not in an analog way. We forget that there's mystery. So it's not just about don't do this, don't do this, but that there's this glorious mystery to the idea of men and women and marriage. And there's something so beautiful and so sacred,

that's what we need to recapture. That's what you're talking about, is that when you recapture that, the do's and don'ts become immaterial. Like, they sort of follow with that. You don't even have to think about it. If you realize how sacred marriage is, how sacred it is that God created men and women

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Legacy at 866-528-1903 or visit them online at Legacypminvestments.com. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Sarah Barrett, the young author of Stand Up, Stand Strong, A Call to Bold Faith in a confused culture. Tell us about your website also, because you're on a mission to reach young people. Yes, the revolution.com was actually founded by Alex and Brett Harris from their book Do Hard Things. And if you're wondering, yes, Alex and Brett made up the word the revolution. It really means instead of how we think of teenagers always rebel, we're rebelling against the idea that we can't use our lives for anything, but ourselves for fun, for pleasure. It's really a rebellion revolution. We're choosing to use

our teen years for the glory of God, living sold out for Jesus Christ. So our mission and our focus with the revolution is just to equip young people to do hard things for the glory of God. to live sold out for Christ in their teen years and to not waste these valuable years that they have. Well, that's a great message. Speaking of somebody who has wasted some years, it's just wonderful and encouraging that young people are thinking the way you are. And the revolution is spelled, R-E-B-E-L, the revolution. You can figure it out.

The revolution. And people can find you at your own website, sarah barrett.com. Sarah is S-A-R-A-R-A-R-A-T-S-A-R-A-T-Sarabrett.com. Okay, so the new book, Stand Up, Stans Strong. What other issues do you go into in the book? We go into critical race theory. We go into abortion. We go into, as we talked about, sexuality, addiction, media.

And then how to navigate hard conversations with clarity and with truth. What are some good conversation tactics? and really just how to live on a mission for Jesus Christ in the midst of this anti-Christian world that we live in. What do you say about critical race theory? My summation of it is it's basically Marxist atheism. It's complete nonsense. It's wrong. It's divisive.

It's hurtful. It's based on lies. Other than that, it's awesome. But what do you say? I mean, because these things are so trendy and people are just so thoughtlessly following them. Yeah, well, people really don't understand often what critical race theory is. And there are so many, you know, I've heard that said, well, it's just this philosophical idea. It's just taught in colleges, professors.

It's not something that's actually in our culture, but ideas are more powerful than labels. So the label of critical race theory is often, we don't understand that the ideas of how we approach conversations on race and justice is heavily influenced by the ideas of CRT. And so the idea of like that everything is characterized by racism, not just some things, but that, you know, everything, we look at everything through this lens of where is racism showing up here instead of how is it showing up here? Or is it showing up here? Or is it showing up at all? Yes. No, it's really, I mean, you know, in the interest of time, I just, I cut to the chase and just say it's a sick view of humanity. It's deeply sick.

And if you don't reject something that's deeply sick, if you give it a place, you're part of the problem. You become part of the problem. You have to understand this is really bad. And I think sometimes even well-meaning pastors send out mixed messages, like, well, let's hear a little bit. There are certain things that are really, really destructive. And CRT is. And that's the first thing you need to know about it. Really, it destroys unity and it fuels partiality. It totally contradicts the story. of the gospel and our view of humanity. It really just drive the wedge of destruction instead of bringing unity and bringing healing to these conversations on race and justice.

What are some of the issues he just rattled off a whole bunch earlier, and I want to make sure we touch on some of them? Abortion, obviously, a big one right now. That's a huge one. Yes, yes, it is. That's a huge one. And it's, you know, you talk about an issue that is controversial or divisive or potentially offensive, but you think, well, don't people realize that slavery was once a divisive,

offensive issue? But if you knew the truth, you were obliged to speak up and obliged to pay a price. And I wonder where we got this really bad idea that now we don't have to do that anymore. Now, you know, we don't have to have any controversial truths. You think, well, would you have been silent on the issue of slavery? Why would you be silent on the issue? issue of abortion. Who are you helping? Yeah. The entire issue of abortion is really an argument based on assumptions, which is that the assumption that the unborn are not human, if you can just prove the humanity of the unborn, the entire argument for abortion completely collapses. And 96% of biologists agree the unborn are human that life begins at conception. So where does the

argument play in? You know, you think of things that they say things like, okay, well, maybe they're literally human, but they're not full persons. You know, you don't have personhood until you have a level of consciousness or something like that. But then, well, all right, Eric, you have more consciousness than I do. Does that mean that you're more of a person than I am? Or does, you know, the entire argument, it has to go back to who are the unborn, are the unborn human? And that size level of development, degree of dependency or location does not affect that answer. Well, see, that's the point is like that's the difference between biblical,

worldview and everything else. Biblical worldview says nothing matters if you're human being, you're human being, you're human being. That's it. You're creating God's image. And if you're old in a coma or if you're in the womb for a month or two or you're blind or you have no cognitive ability, that's not relevant. You are made in the image of God. You are sacred and made in God's image. That's the biblical worldview. And that's the point of view that it separates the sheep from the goes because every pagan culture in the world, they don't have that view. If you're old or weak or you're not helping the culture, you matter less. The biblical worldview says, God is no respect to persons. We were all exactly equal. He died for us. And so that's, we need to be really clear

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Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to the editor-in-chief of The Revolution.com and the author of Stand Up, Stand Strong. So you were in an article that was published at therevolution.com about Disney. Talk about that. Yeah, so recently, of course, you probably heard that Disney is really following the entire LGBT message,

eliminating all-gendered language at their parks, you know, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Apparently that isn't inclusive anymore. So now there's no such thing really as gender anymore at Disney. They've completely, even employees have said that they've completely gone woke, that they're just completely gone off the rails and how they approach gender, approach sexuality, approach all of these things. And so in my article, I just dug into, okay, we have Disney,

which is, you know, you could have maybe called it once a family-friendly company. now we have them promoting this LGBT agenda so heavily, so strongly. How are we to respond to this? And really, we have to respond by going back to God's story. God's narrative of gender that is not defined by our emotions. It's defined by biology. God's design his perfect plan for our bodies for gender and just not give in to the agenda.

And a part of that is not... No, I was going to say most people... I think what's funny to me is most people already know this. Even if you don't read the Bible, most people have common sense, and they know, like, a rooster can't lay an egg. Like, that's really not debatable. It's basic stuff. Most people know that. And I think things are going so crazy in the world, places like Disney, that I think that they've gone too far and they're driving away people.

I mean, I think any parent in this day and age would have to know Disney's not safe. Maybe they were. It's kind of a pity. It's kind of a bummer. too bad, but I need to keep my kids away from these places where they're all kind of crazy. They're crazy. I mean, to remove gender language, wherever you think, where did you get this idea from? Like five minutes ago, somebody decided to upend, you know, 35 centuries of civilization,

and we're just going to change everything. So it's kind of fascinating to me that these companies are so out of touch with their consumers. But what I say, and I don't know if you were just about to say it, but I really feel like people have to take a stand. And you have to make sure you never spend a penny that goes in the direction of Disney unless they completely turn around and respect the people that they're supposed to be serving. Because right now they don't. Disney is only one of many. It's across the board in many, even children's shows. You know, it's really the agenda is being pushed so heavily.

so strongly that it's not just Disney, it's everywhere. And while you would believe that the fact that, you know, male and female, you would think that would be a basic common human knowledge, like, okay, everyone can agree on that, at least. Truly, that is the issue of our culture in many ways. It's in our school system so much. It's in the mindset of society becoming so much more prevalent. I watched a video done by the BBC where a transgender woman was sharing that, you know,

it doesn't matter what living meat skeleton you're born in. It's how you feel that matters. And that was her perspective, that the body has been so, it's been so devalued that we believe that our emotions can determine even that basic human reality. And of course, you want to ask, where do they get that idea from? First of all, it's a preposterous wrong idea. But you even want to know where did they get the idea that suddenly what you feel is reality. You want to say, okay, let's say that's true.

Where did you get that idea from? You just made that up or it's just the trend or something, but you're not, I mean, you talk about follow the science. It's completely made up. It's complete fiction. And you're being told that if you don't go along with that fiction, you're bigoted or you're something like that. And we have to resist strongly, which is why in part, you're. Your book is called Stand Up, Stand Strong, a called bold faith in a confused culture, because I think people are looking for leadership, they're looking for clarity, and you can be a voice of hope for

people, because there are people looking around thinking, does anybody see what I see? Am I the only one who thinks this is crazy? And I do think we have to be really clear about that. But Disney was particularly outspoken about this, so this might be everywhere, but when a company like Disney has that kind of power takes a stand like that, you have to push back. You have to let them know, if you do that, I'm going to take my kids away. Your value is going to plummet, and it should plummet. I mean, they should go out of business because it's intolerable that they would try to force their views on everyone in America. Yes, but like I said, you know, really, Disney is just

one of many. And it goes back to that idea of post-truth, that if truth has been relegated to the realm of the subjective, everything else. You know, you ask, like, where do they come up with this idea? It all goes back to the fact that there is no truth. So if you believe there is no truth, you can determine your own reality. You can determine your own gender. It all goes back to that. Is there truth or not?

Yeah, it really is. It's a kind of a madness, and every generation struggles in a different way. But this is a real challenge. And I think that, you know, the souls and the futures of the futures, of this generation are at stake. And so we have to be really clear that this is not small stuff. It's not like, oh, I like chocolate and you like vanilla and we'll agree to disagree. This is really, really basic.

And, well, we've just got like a minute left. What can we hit that we have not hit in your book, Stand Up, Stand Strong? Well, really, the topic of identity is another topic that I cover. And identity is at the root of so many of these issues. but we need to remember that our identity is that we are the Omega Day. We are made in the image of God. And that is where all of these other issues are, they're the fruit of a misunderstanding of what it means we made in the image of God,

a misunderstanding of our identity as humans created by God in his image. It all goes back to that topic of identity. Yeah, that is kind of a big one. And it's funny because that used to be assumed in the culture, at least in Western culture, in America, these things were assumed. Even if you weren't an outspoken Christian or devout Christian, we had these values in common. And they've been dramatically undermined until suddenly we're fighting for the basics. I mean, it's getting so crazy, you know, when you have, you know, giant dudes swimming against women,

pretending, like, there's nothing to see here. I'm a woman now. And you think, wow, does anyone believe that? And how brainwashed do you have to be to go along with that? So we're going to, going through a strange season, but by God's grace, we'll get through it. And I'm grateful for you, Sarah Barrett, for your voice. If you want to find Sarah Barrett, you can find her at Sarah Barrett. Or at the Revolution.com. And the book is Stand Up, Stand Strong. Thank you so much. Oh, thank you so much for having me, Eric. Some of my dearest friends have not yet seen 2,000 mules. And I want to say publicly on the air, they're dead to me. Do you understand, you're dead to me.

Maybe not, but go see the film. The film, I'm legally obliged to say that I'm involved in the film. I'm in the film wearing green pants. You could see, if you want to know who I am, I'm the guy wearing green pants. My character in the film wears green pants. And those pants are, they're going to be in the Smithsonian soon next to Fonzie's jacket and the ruby slippers and Archie's chair. but if you want to see the pants themselves,

instead of taking a trip to Masonian, why don't you just go to the theater this weekend? Go to 2000 and Mules.com. You can plug in your zip code. It'll tell you where the nearest theater is. But I feel like every American needs to see this film and needs to exhort others to see it. I'm, as I said, legally obliged to let you know

that Salem, we are on Salem Radio Network. Salem participated in the production of this film. You can see it at Salem now.com. And I, as one of the stars of the film, now I do my own stunt work. I've been very open about that. I don't care. But as one of the stars of the film, I participate in the back end. Now, it's so minuscule.

It annoys me that I have to mention this. It's like, really? But yes, evidently legally, I'm obliged to do that. So if you want to put like a shiny nickel in my pocket, go see the film. Yeah, by the way, if you go to see the film, you do have to buy your own ticket that because you're in the film, you get a free box of gummy bears. That's right. Everybody who participates in the film, when you go to the theater, you get a free box of gummy bears. Now, we should be clear that the film is important.

And I earnestly desire that not only would every Americans see it, but that we would have a national conversation about it. You can't have a national conversation about it if you haven't seen the film. If you've only seen a trailer or something, there's a lot in it. You need to know what's in it, folks, because it will change your view of things, no matter what you believe. You'll have a different view of confidence, a different confidence that you know what happened. So I want to say that. I should also say, Albin, some people keep asking me to update this. So I'll just say this.

As you know, because of a guest that I had on this show like a year ago, I'm being sued. I can't get into the details, but it's amazing. It's just part of the cancel culture. It's part of this chilling effect. People are trying to shut people up. So I'm being sued. The legal fees for that are very significant. We were knocked, as you know, off of YouTube.

The financial hit from that is. very, very significant. So if you want to help, you can help by going to give, send, go. If you subscribe to my newsletter, Eric Mataxis.com, sometimes at the end of that, we put a link to the give send go page for Eric Mataxis. But I can use your help. We're in a battle. We trust God. Our job is to do the right thing, not to worry too much about the circumstances. I mean, just to simply worry about doing the right thing, not to shrink back and say, oh, I better be careful. Of course, we better be careful. But most people are on the side of being too careful. And if everybody would speak up, if everyone would use their voice and risk pushback or risk

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