The Eric Metaxas Show - Scott Johnston & Asra Nomani (Encore)

Episode Date: May 5, 2021

Scott Johnston, author of "Campusland," and former Wall Street Journal writer Asra Nomani hit head-on the issue of Marxism creeping unashamedly into our nation's private schools. (Encore Presentation)...

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Starting point is 00:00:10 to the Eric Mettaxas show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Folks, I've got a special bonus for you. It's called 10 More Minutes with John's Merak. John, welcome back. Thanks, Eric. We talked a little bit about this last week, but I'd love to talk about it again. Is the woke cult just a spastic reaction to Darwinism? And that's kind of a clunky, long title, but I kind of had to put it that way.
Starting point is 00:00:38 The woke cult, which you and I, experiencing, which you and I are afflicted by. It's hysterical. It's moralistic. It's constantly looking for people that, for new rights that people have, new sensitivities we have to respect, new restrictions on our behavior that we have to do in order to avoid offending vulnerable, marginalized people. The woke cult, which is promoting all that, also believes that you and I are cosmic accidents, brain farts of the universe. We are the result of random, genetic mutations, and then the survival of the fittest. That's Darwinian materialism.
Starting point is 00:01:16 How does Darwinian materialism produce all these snowflakes? Who are you supposed to protect and supposed to look out for? Do you see chimpanzees being careful not to misgender each other? Do you see guerrillas looking out for the vulnerable and making sure they, and look, all the males need to get a chance to me. We're not going to hog all the females. That's very funny. Do you see guerrillas looking out for?
Starting point is 00:01:40 for the vulnerable. John, that should be the title of a book. Can't you write short books with titles like that? I know you could. You need to do that. That's just too good. Sorry. I want people who think it's wrong for us to eat animals
Starting point is 00:01:58 to extend that to the animal world. I want them to go out in the forest and try to convince the bears to be vegetarian. I want them to have a nice sit-down with the lions and the tigers and explain to them that, it is speciesists for them to eat antelopes and wildebeest. And look, if you can convince us of that, since we're no different from other animals, right? We have no more rights, no more claims than other animals.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Then vegetarianism is something that should be evangelized to the animal world, to the predators out there. And I would love to see our woke friends out there talking to the lions, talking to the bears. I think it would produce a winnowing process in society. It would call our herd very effectively. and the world would be a better place afterwards. Wouldn't it be great if the woke people were eaten by bears, but they would sacrifice themselves for the virtuous idea of dying in a beautiful cause,
Starting point is 00:02:54 of preaching vegetarian to these 2,000-pound strong monsters that want to eat them? John, I think we've gone truly crazy. I tried to write a book about this. It was called To Serve Man, and it was a cookbook on how to eat vegetarians. and my agent looked at the manuscript, slid it back across the table to me and said, never tell anyone about this, not even your closest, most trusted friends.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Wait, you know, you did you really do this? Yeah, it was a guy, my theory was, if vegetarians think animals and people are of equal moral value, we should do a compromise with them, that instead of eating other animals, we would eat the vegetarians that would save animals. It would let these people act on their conscience. would let us act on our conscience.
Starting point is 00:03:40 So I had recipes. Now, you have a bad publisher. You should have, you should find another publisher. I wish I, I wish somebody would give me the money. I'm not kidding. To do a publishing imprint because there's so many things that I would publish. And I think that they would do well, actually. I'm not saying I would just do this as a vanity project.
Starting point is 00:03:57 I actually think that a lot of publishers don't have good instincts and that they don't know how to make the business work. Because there are things like what you're talking about. You can do it sarcastically or you can actually write essays as you do. explaining this. People need to understand how ideas work. And a lot of people don't. And it's why we get this crazy world we live in that you're describing, that people are, they're woke, but they don't understand, which is what you and I keep talking about. They don't understand that you cannot have these strong values if we got here by genetic mutations and accidents over the course of billions of
Starting point is 00:04:35 years. It doesn't follow. Right. They don't understand that. The politicians who really understood Darwin and applied him were Stalin and Hitler. They took different, they had different takes on how evolution works. Hitler thought it was racial groups. Stalin thought it was class groups. Marx was very influenced by Darwin.
Starting point is 00:04:55 The politicians of the 20th century who applied Darwin consistently were Stalin and Hitler. And in the United States, Margaret Sanger, who managed to get. get laws passed in 13 states, forcibly sterilizing people who didn't pass culturally biased IQ tests. Darwinism was a scientific mistake. And if you follow the Discovery Institute and you see books like the return of God hypothesis and Darwin's doubt and other books that the Discovery Institute puts out, you'll find there is no way to explain the emergence of life on this planet by sheer chance. There's no way to explain the development of all the animals that came about in the Cambrian explosion. And there's certainly no way to explain the existence of man with a
Starting point is 00:05:43 consciousness that is capable of doing objective science and writing books like the origin of species. None of these things can be explained by random chance and natural selection. That is the great myth of our thing. And what's ironic, and I'm writing about this in my book that's coming out in October, It's called Is Atheism Dead? I write about this that the more we learn from science, the more we know that we didn't get here by that method. In other words, we could have said in 1859. We think this is how it happened.
Starting point is 00:06:16 In 1925, we could have said we think this how it happened. In 2021, we can no longer logic and maintain this. Right. Darwin thought cells were like homogenous gobs of goo. And that- Kelly donuts. Yeah. They were Kelly Donuts on a microscopic level.
Starting point is 00:06:32 Exactly. He had no idea. It's not his fault. They didn't have the kind of microscopes they needed. They had no idea that every single, the smallest bacterium is infinitely more complicated than the computers that run the space shuttle. The smallest creature on this earth is infinitely more complex than all the contents of the Library of Congress put together. That's how much information it took to put together the smallest bacterium.
Starting point is 00:07:00 that doesn't happen by accident. You don't take all the letters of the alphabet, drop them on the floor and it spells out two lines of a Shakespeare poem. But the odds of that happening, of Shakespeare coming out of a bag of scrabble, are infinitely higher than the odds that the tiniest cell came into existence by accident. You might not like the idea of it.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Now, where did you get that information from? Is it from Stephen Myers' book, The God Hypothesis? It's actually from a story. previous book, the signature and the cell. But both of them have it. What Meyer has done is study the role of information, the role of information in the creation of life.
Starting point is 00:07:45 And once we learned that the genetic code is a code, like computer code, like instructions for building an airplane, imagine you, some archaeologists in 100 years, no, say, Yeah, if the wolf people have their way in 100 years after a mad max collapse of civilization. Imagine if an archaeologist of the future comes across the operating manual for a Boeing 707.
Starting point is 00:08:11 And he says, it is fascinating to see how the qualities of the paper and the ink created this elaborate thing with all these apparent letters. And, I mean, it makes more, sunny Bono once joke that Cher thought Mount Rushmore was a natural formation. That is Darwinian materialism. It's looking at Mount Rushmore and trying to figure out how the wind and erosion patterns happen to create the faces on the mountain that somehow, oddly, remind us of American presidents. But that's just our creationist bias. We need to overcome our creationist bias. and science will tell us that Mount Rushmore was formed by the wind and erosion. That's what Richard Dawkins says that, you know, these things have the appearance of design.
Starting point is 00:09:03 But don't be fooled. There's no design. And it just happened. John, we're just about out of time. I want to say to people again, folks, you have a standing homework assignment in this class. And yes, this is a class. You need to go to stream.org. Stream.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Dot org. And spelling counts. If you don't spell stream correctly, you're not going to get there. Stream.org. Look up John Zimirak, spelling also accounts at ZMI, R-A-K, find his articles, print them out, scatter them around the neighborhood, put them on the island in the middle of the kitchen so that the kids will stumble on them. Fascinating stuff. John, my friend, thank you so much.
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Starting point is 00:12:28 If you know Yale, you'll see. And Campus Land, unfortunately, is very real. It's very true. The author, Scott Johnson, my fellow Yale alumnus, is with us. Scott, welcome back. Hi, Art. Great to be here again. It's, well, look, it's not that great because what we're talking about is incredibly sick and depressing. But you're right. It's fun to talk about it with people who know that it's sick and depressing. You have been talking about what's going on in private schools here in Manhattan. you are friends with an Azra Namani.
Starting point is 00:13:07 I don't know if she's going to be on the program today, but I said, I've got to get you on just to talk about what is happening. Well, I sort of ended up in this by accident. Obviously, I wrote the book. That was about college world culture, and all these latest controversies are about private schools, specifically in New York, but really it's happening everywhere. I got, I was contacted by some.
Starting point is 00:13:33 I know on the inside of one of these schools in December, Dalton being the school in particular, with some of the crazy, absolutely insane demands that the teachers were making, you know, that 50% of all donations to Dalton a private school should go to the New York City public school system that they should hire 12 full-time diversity officers. There's eight pages of this sort of diversity officers. That makes me want to blow my brains out. The idea, of that. I mean, this is full-on cultural Marxism. It's madness. But I mean, you write about it in-campusland brilliantly, but it's hard for me because I go out of my way to avoid this madness, to think that this is really happening at private schools all over the country, but particularly in the
Starting point is 00:14:22 Wall Capital of Manhattan. Well, someone, I ended up writing an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal about it, And there were six or seven hundred comments below it in the digital version. And one of them was a line that was so good that, you know, as an author I wish I'd written myself, whoever it was, I posted anonymously said, you know we've reached peak bourgeois decadence when our ruling class will pay top dollar to learn how to hate themselves. I mean, but it follows logically. That's what's so creepy about it, is it does follow logically because, What we're talking about is a kind of self-hating.
Starting point is 00:15:02 It's a guilt, right? I mean, listen, I'm a Christian. So I say, I am a sinner. I know it. The way I escape guilt, which is just crushing and leads to nothing but destruction, is I have God who forgives me. And then I can have the joy of forgiveness. If you don't believe that, then you will labor under this crushing guilt. You don't know where to go with it.
Starting point is 00:15:27 and it sort of erupts and manifest itself in preposterous things like what's going on at schools like Dalton. Well, you wrote so well about Martin Luther and his primary complaint was the issue with the selling of indulgences by the Catholic Church. We have a modern version of indulgence buying in the form of the diversity, equity, and inclusion industry. And it is an industry now. And all these progressive parents and aggressive schools want to wash away those sins of of, you know, of our ancestors, basically, by bringing on these DEI consultants and paying them a very hefty sum to tell them
Starting point is 00:16:07 how awful they are and how they have to change the way they're doing everything. You know, really what's happened, people are just waking up to this. There's been something called the long march through our institutions that's been going on for decades. By the way, do you know who said that?
Starting point is 00:16:19 Somebody very famous said that I can never remember who it was. None of us can. It might have been Antonio Graham. see the, but you know what? That's the architect of cultural Marxism. I think that's right. And you're seeing it come to fruition and it happened so suddenly and burst on the scene, first because of George Floyd and then because COVID was an enormous distraction. So all this stuff was implemented by these schools in particular over the summer. And parents came back to find it implemented in their schools in September without any input from them. And so,
Starting point is 00:16:56 So you have things like Dalton putting on a play where one of the roles is racist cop one, and then there's a racist cop two. And you have basic math being challenged now because correct answers are considered a social construct. And we can't have social constructs because it was white people doing the construct. We need to, but we need to have this debate. I mean, it's actually fascinating that things are out in the open now because I, for years, said that eventually, you know, it's going to be two plus two equals five. that's in George Orwell's 1984, the idea that there is no truth.
Starting point is 00:17:31 And I would really would challenge the people at Yale or Dalton or all these places that where do you get truth from? They will stammer because they don't really have an answer. I was just talking to John Zmirach about this. They have kind of borrowed truth and they've carried it out to its logical extension. And then they realize, well, we don't know where this comes from. So we're going to go by our feelings now. Well, what you have now is a weird marriage of deconstructionism, which we inherited from a bunch of awful, mostly French philosophers.
Starting point is 00:18:05 There was Foucault and Jacques Derrida. Yeah, that was the name of us. He came to Yale. He came to Calhoun College. You didn't come to your residential college, punk. He came to Calhoun College. and I had the privilege of holding an umbrella over his head as we walked through the courtyard. And I thought, this is like I'm escorting the zeitgeist across the Calhoun courtyard because these were the people who destroyed the West. I mean, we're living with it now.
Starting point is 00:18:36 It's funny. I was talking to a friend of mine from my class who was a philosophy major. So he graduated in the early 80s. And he said that in philosophy at Yale in the late 70s, early 80s, They read Derry Dach and others, but deconstructionism was regarded as a sideshow, like this funny little thing over there that, you know, we'll read some. He said it was unreadable. And then he was always the key, right?
Starting point is 00:19:03 It's got to be unreadable because it makes sense and, you know, yeah. Yeah, they control the language and it's impenetrable. But this particular guy then went to China for a number of years and sort of fell very much out of touch with what was happening culturally in the U.S. And when he came back, he was shocked to discover the deconstructionism had marched through every philosophy major and English major and departments. And he thought it was just kind of a joke. But so anyway, where I was going is this is sort of a weird marriage of racial politics and deconstructionism that's happening right now. And the two things are leveraging off each other.
Starting point is 00:19:44 And the results are horrifying. and parents are just starting to figure this out. Well, I have to say, you know, I've been kind of on to this for some time because I remember, I mean, it's really when I had my Christian conversion four years out of Yale, and the scales fell from my eyes, and I started noticing things and noticing things,
Starting point is 00:20:04 and I thought, my goodness, the people who are giving money to Yale don't really understand what they're feeding. They think it's, you know, raccoon coats, go Yale, like it's 1920 or something, things have moved on. Yale was fully woke when I was there. I'm trying to think if you're 83 or 84, 85, I can't remember. 82. 82. I mean, it was there when we were there.
Starting point is 00:20:29 And it has just completely taken over. But, you know, when you go to a football game, you don't see it because the really woke people don't go to football games. I mean, I was part of a group that was like, we didn't go to the football games because that's bourgeois. You know, we're going to go and we're going to make art or some preposterous thing. It has taken over and people continue to give their money to it. And they continue to say, well, Yale is great and Dalton is great and Brearley is great. And all these schools are great. And while they have been, you know, playing the fiddle, all of these things that they thought they knew were there have burned.
Starting point is 00:21:02 They're gone. It's funny. I have a lot of fun with exactly what you're talking about in campus land. The notion that the university will set up this Potemkin village for important alums when they come back and visit and have, fun boozy reunions, which are after the students leave so that the students are safely out of the way from the view of any alumni. Look, this is true. I was there when the reunions are right after everybody leaves, and it's like another world.
Starting point is 00:21:32 You don't see the woke madness. This was in the 80s, Scott. And of course, they know that they would lose a lot of money. They have lost money from alumni who see what's happening. I'm told, this is at least a year out of date, that the number of alums giving has dropped 40% in recent years. They still make up for it with the occasional nine-figured donor. Yeah. One of those is Charles Johnson who gave the money for the two new colleges, and he's quite conservative.
Starting point is 00:22:01 I don't think he's writing any more checks. I, anytime I give a talk, a campus land talk or anything on in front of a group of people, I urge them to stop writing checks. I can't even, I can't tell you. I mean, this is it drives me crazy. When we come back, we're going to bring on your friend. Is it Azra? What's the name? Azra Nomani. Namani.
Starting point is 00:22:24 And what does she do? She's written for the Wall Street Journal. Yes, she's a former journal writer, and she started a group online called Defendingeddinged.org. Defendingeducation.org. Yes. Defending ed.org. Azra Nomani will be joining us. We're talking to Scott Johnson, the author of Campus Land.
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Starting point is 00:23:43 Visit their website, PD LabsRX.com for free health tips, podcasts, and their popular online store. Call 888-909-0-1-1-0. Ask for Ray and tell them Eric sent you. That's 888-909-0-1-1-0. Folks, welcome back. This is the Eric Metaxa show. I've been talking to Scott Johnson, a friend and the author of Campus Land, a brilliant comic novel about the woke madness at Yale. But unfortunately, this has now gone on to reach private schools all across Manhattan and all the elite suburbs around America. We have on Azra Nomani, has written a lot for the Wall Street Journal and has started something called DefendingEd.org. Asra, welcome. Hey, thanks so much. And nobody is immune from the scourge of this new toxicity. Well, listen, though, I've noticed this. I mean, my daughter went to Merrimount,
Starting point is 00:24:46 which is a little bit less guilty of this, but I still was astonished to see the idiocy and to see really what it is. I mean, I've seen this with parents from. you know, sending the kids to Yale or whatever, people's willingness to look the other way, as if they say, well, this is how it's done now. And it doesn't make sense to me. But I don't want to, you know, I don't want to cause trouble. I don't want to people look at me like I'm odd. So I'll just go along with it. And it's because of that that we're here. Yeah. Yeah. No, I feel like, you know, having been a reporter at the Wall Street Journal for 15 years, one of my favorite assignments was to cover marketing because marketing is sort of like propaganda, right?
Starting point is 00:25:27 And so what we have now from my, you know, lens is that you've got a new propaganda that's this woke industry and it's a new ideology of critical race theory. And it is marketing off of the brand of these institutions. So they are benefiting from, you know, hundreds of years of all of these institutions and the, you know, T-shirts and the websites now and the, you know, the supposed, like, bump to your. income that you're going to get from going to these schools. And so people look the other way, because they don't want to undermine their own children's futures or their own status in the community. Yeah, exactly. And it's horrifying. I mean, I hate to go there. But because I wrote a book on Dietrich Bonhofer and the Nazi era, it's, we kid ourselves when we act as though, oh, I would have been on the right side of history then. Oh, I'm not, I'm not for killing Jews in the millions.
Starting point is 00:26:25 No, no, no, no, no. I would have been on the right side of history. Well, the fact is similar things are happening now because they weren't killing Jews all mass in 1933, 34, and 35. But it just requires enough respectable people to say nothing and to let, you know, the totalitarians take power. People who do not share your values. But because you don't want someone to look at you funny, you don't want to lose a job or whatever it is. And that is very powerful in elite culture in America, certainly in Manhattan. Yeah, I mean, I was just over the weekend walking the streets of Cambridge. And I looked at the spot where Alexander Graham Bella had had some inventions and also others.
Starting point is 00:27:08 And I thought to myself back and these were all from, and then some of it was from the 1920s. And I remembered and I told the young kids that were with me, you know, it was in the 1920s as the Jewish kids were succeeding at these Ivy League institutions that they had decided that this was an alien force that needed to be. removed and they started the discrimination against Jewish kids. And one of the young, young ones with me said, yeah, and that was even before World War II. Right. So this is, this is the same dynamic that's happening today. I was born in India, came to this country without a word of English, and this country allowed my family and me to move forward. And that is exactly what education provides. It's the great equalizer and it's a great progressive movement for all people. And so it's such a tragedy today. And every single day we've got this portal, parents defending education, this new organization
Starting point is 00:28:08 that I've helped start. We're getting reports every single day. And it's so disturbing from public schools in Kansas, Missouri, California, Virginia, private schools in Massachusetts, Atlanta, New York, I mean, folks are losing their minds because they don't know what to do. And they can see that there's a new toxic intensity that's happening to take over their kids' minds and hearts. And it's really disturbing. Well, what can we do? I mean, first of all, people go to defending ed.org. What's there?
Starting point is 00:28:45 So what we have there is a map. I'm really proud of this map because I'm a visual person. and I need to see the geography of this toxicity that has now gone into so many of our schools and school systems. And when you go to your map, you can see from whatever state you're in reports that parents and teachers and community members have sent to us. We're vetting them. We're getting dozens every single day. And on that map also, you can find parent groups with which you can align yourself to fight back. We've got resource guides.
Starting point is 00:29:20 We've got a tip sheet on how to file a Freedom of Information Act request with the public school systems, guides on how to speak about critical race theory. And, you know, the best thing that we can do, I think we, like you and I know, who knows how we can defeat this and win our schools back. But what we know is a winnable goal is to expose all of this. Like, that's the journalist in me. Like, I know that if we set off gold, just let people know what's happening, we can win that. So just know as parents that if you expose things, like, we'll protect your anonymity, and others will know the truth of what you're dealing with.
Starting point is 00:30:04 This is all so important. Now, how do you and Scott know each other? Scott, can you tell us? I'm always curious how like-minded people find each other. Well, since I started reporting on this stuff on The Naked Dollar at my blog, I've met a lot of people who are forming the counter-revolution, if you want to call it that. Yes, I do. Including Paul Rossi, the brave soul, the teacher at Grace Church School, who penned a piece about how awful things have gotten there. Actually, when we come back, I want to jump right into that.
Starting point is 00:30:39 We'll be right back, folks. I thought I see you, baby. One more time again. I thought I'd see you one more time again. Folks, I'm talking to Wall Street Journal reporter Azra Nomani. Am I pronouncing that, send me correctly? Yeah, yeah, Osra Nomani, and I'm a former Wall Street Journal reporter. Former Wall Street Journal reporter.
Starting point is 00:31:16 That's really the best kind. And I'm talking to Scott Johnson, author of Campus Land, an amazing novel, unfortunately, utterly prescient. and your website, Osra, is defending ed.org, and you just let us know, Scott, that you have a blog called The Naked Dollar. Tell us what you were just beginning to tell us before I cut you off in the last segment, Scott. Well, after I started reporting on the various schools
Starting point is 00:31:44 like Dalton and Brerley and Grace Church and the crazy things that were going on at each, the blog kind of blew up and suddenly got half a million hits, and I started connecting with all the various people who were involved in the counter movement, Azra being one of them. And there's another called Fair, which stands for a foundation
Starting point is 00:32:01 against intolerance and racism. Yeah. He's a great group. And Paul Rossi, who's the brave teacher from Grace Church, he's the co-founder of that. Anyway, we're all working towards the same goal. And I think Osra is taking a great attack,
Starting point is 00:32:17 which is to provide a resource center, basically, for people who are just trying to figure out parents in particular, who are trying to figure out what the heck they can do. It's vital that we figure out what we can do. I mean, look, this is absolute madness. We've tolerated it. We've looked the other way.
Starting point is 00:32:34 I think there are many people who will continue to look the other way because they simply don't care. They're really so self-obsessed that they don't care if the nation burns down as long as their kid gets to go to Harvard or gets to whatever it is they think is going to be wonderful for their kid. but I don't know what kind of a future we have if the elite institutions are turning out kids who think this way.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Let me tell you the level of fear involved, not just with parents, but the kids who, if you're conservative, you have to hide what you think all the way through school or really, really suffer for it. I spoke to a girl a couple of days ago
Starting point is 00:33:15 who went to one of these schools I've reported on. I wouldn't even say which one, who had to hide or believe all the way through school. And I invited her, and she described what an oppressive, awful atmosphere was for her. I invited her to pen an anonymous piece on my blog.
Starting point is 00:33:31 And she thought about it for a couple of days, and she really, really wanted to write it. She wanted to get her feelings out there about this. And in the end, she decided she's in college now. She decided she didn't want to take the risk, but somehow they'd discover who she was and they'd come after her in college. That's how scared people are.
Starting point is 00:33:49 Yeah, I just want to say that, know, the really beautiful part that I've experienced over this past nine months of just torture from this public school system where we, we are, I'm a parent in Northern Virginia, is that it was June 2020. And we started off with three parents who were really worried about this new activism by our school principal. And US News and World Report just ranked us today, the number one high school again in America. It's called Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and technology and we're mostly immigrant, 70% from Asia. And the principal told us that we had to check our quote privileges and reconsider the
Starting point is 00:34:32 colonial mascot that is the mascot for the school. Well, we started off with just three parents, Soperna, Glenn. One more, Helen. She wrote an email to the school principal called Hopping Mad, literally that she was hopping mad. And now, and the organization we've got, we've got at least 300 people who are on our telegram channel. We have 8,000 that sign our petitions by name because these are people who realize that
Starting point is 00:35:05 you're not safe. Like, nobody is safe from this. Even if you're self-abs, like, they're going to come for you. Nobody is safe. And we will only become stronger if the more that. that people stand up with moral courage. Well, again, I've written about this stuff, but it's very dismaying to see people
Starting point is 00:35:27 who have praised my book on Dietrich Bonhoeffer, for example, themselves turn aside and say, I don't want to take this on. And I think that if we do not all together stand and speak against this, it's all over. We must unite and we must say, this is our battle. And, you know, Scott, when you talk about people are so scared, when I hear the story of that student saying,
Starting point is 00:35:49 while she's in college now, I want to say to, I want to talk to her privately and say, hey, shame on you. You must. You must do this because you, first of all, have the privilege of knowing that this is right, that this is true and that these ideas are false. And we need people like that, respectable people, to stand up. And I actually would argue that, you know, we are on the right side of history. You didn't think when you were in Germany in the mid-30s, it was very, very, very difficult, very difficult. And you were risking your life, not just maybe a job. But some people did it, and most people didn't.
Starting point is 00:36:28 But everybody in retrospect thinks, so I wish I had, but they didn't. We're living in a time like that right now where you're risking something, but do you want to be on the right side of history? You know, we throw that term around, but I mean it truly the right side of history, not the woke side of history, which is the wrong side of history. But eventually these things do sort themselves. out, I hope. I've been calling some of the brave people have been standing up,
Starting point is 00:36:55 like Paul, like Rossi and Andrew Gutman, the parent from Brearley, who wrote a scathing letter about what was going at that school. I've been calling them digital Martin Luther's, which I thought you might like. Thank you. I don't think everybody's going to associate me with the Martin Luther biography, but listen, we have to do that.
Starting point is 00:37:17 We have to do that. And I always say to people, like, because I've written about these people, shame on me if I wouldn't be able to be willing to speak out at this point. But there's so many people that they praise these heroes. But then when their time comes, they just, they let it go. They don't want to be the one. And just another, you know, another point. I come from a liberal Democrat life. I was a bleeding heart liberal.
Starting point is 00:37:40 That's how I went into journalism. I voted Democrat all my life. And real liberals also have to consider. that Martin Luther King Jr., like his entire movement was about challenging any hierarchy of human value. And so the new ideology of critical race theory is about rejecting this old hierarchy of human value that we all know was wrong that did evaluate people by the color of their skin and creating a new hierarchy of human value. And no hierarchy of human value is. acceptable. Listen, this is, we're out of time, Asra, but I just want to say, let us say that we're wetting the appetite of my audience. I would love to have you and Scott back as soon as possible,
Starting point is 00:38:30 because this is a larger conversation. We need to talk about critical race theory and all of this stuff. Grateful to both of you. Folks, go to defending ed.org and get a copy of campus land, and we'll see you soon. Thanks so much. Hey, everybody. This is the Erkman-Taxis show with my sidekick slash producer Albin Seder Oh wait a minute I thought you were the sidekick No I could be I could play the role of sight Listen I'm very versatile people don't believe me
Starting point is 00:39:20 I was talking to Kevin Sorbo He's doing these movies I said Kevin give me a part I don't care what it is I will show you you want to know what acting is I will show you hey Sorbo Hey Sorbo I'm talking to you You could be Kevin's body double I could do it I'm so ripped it's not even funny
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Starting point is 00:40:40 But if you use melatonin, reservatrol, stevia, which is a sweetener, vitamin C, zinc, vitamin D. Like, this is all the stuff magnesium that I take anyway, right? A whole alphabet there is. Cucumin, they've got it all, folks. And I just want to say, if you use any of that stuff, my attitude, the reason I'm so excited about nutrometics and I'm excited to work with them, they they give 50% of all of their profits to missions did you hear that 50% to missions and to similar charities and I'm going to find out what charities and they have a goal to give away a hundred million by the end of this decade and to put a man on the moon by the end of the
Starting point is 00:41:33 1960s that's their goal they've already accomplished the first one and the second to one. Yes. And by the way, if you missed that, you can look it up on microfiche at the library. But they did put a man on the moon in the 60s. And Nutrimetics is going to give away $100 million by the end of this decade. It's at 2030. And I thought 2030.
Starting point is 00:41:52 That's like 2050, right? And then I realized, oh, it's a few years away. Yeah. So, but you have to use the code Eric. But honestly, most of their stuff, just look them up online. You can read their story. We're going to have the founder on this program. But it's hard not for me to be excited because I think I buy all this stuff anyway from somebody.
Starting point is 00:42:10 I might as well buy it from Nutrametics.com and 50% of their profits goes to things that I believe in. Yep. Right? Yeah. So there you go? You can't lose. You cannot lose. Is there anything else that we need to talk about?
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Starting point is 00:42:54 all of the woke corporations, Coca-Cola, which I'll never drink again, Delta Airlines, all of these folks are lining up saying that voter integrity is racist. Actually, they are racist. I don't have time to break it down. But if you don't mind, please go to metaxis talk.com, click on the banner and sign the petition for voter integrity in Georgia. Voter integrity is for all Americans, folks. Make no mistake, that's the point of it.
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