The Eric Metaxas Show - Silence From The DOJ and FBI

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

 Although there seems to be silence from the FBI and DOJ, there are things in the works that will benefit our nation. 

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Okay. John Smirak, we're talking about a lot of stuff here. I want to talk about something a little more encouraging. I've got an article over a book review over at Chronicles Magazine. And Chronicles is a magazine everybody should read. It was right about the UN attacking Yugoslavia, it was right about the Iraq War. It's been right about immigration. It was right about Trump. It was out ahead of everything. I mean, all the things National Review was wrong on Chronicles Magazine was right about. I've got a review there of a wonderful new book from someone affiliated with the wonderful people at the Discovery Institute. Michael Egnor and Denise O'Leary have written a book called The Immortal Mind. I don't know if you're familiar with it.

I have interviewed that man on this program, and we will interview him probably for Socrates in the studio, but that is an amazing book, and I'm happy to talk to you about it. And we did, if you want to watch my interview with him, E. G. N-O-R is the last name, but I interviewed him a few months ago. Fantastic book. And you've written about it at Chronicles magazine. That's right. And he adduces the scientific evidence for the immortality of the soul. And I think almost all our social problems can be traced back to people ceasing to believe that we are images of God, made in his likeness, who will live through eternity and face judgment after death. If you don't believe those things, you're essentially saying that you're an animal. And I'm not surprised when people who believe they are animals, who've been taught their animals, start acting like animals and killing each other on public transportation.

and forming tribalist racialist groups, banding together like bands of chimpanzees based on arbitrary characteristics. But he points to evidence brain surgery, near-death experiences, just stuff that piles up in neuroscience journals that the ordinary public doesn't know. But the fact that people have near-death experiences, they have zero brain activity, yet they are experiencing something. They can actually see what the doctors are doing and hear what they're saying and report on what's going on in the next room over. I mean, the guy who wrote this book, Michael Eggnor, E.G. N-O-R, folks. He has done thousands of brain surgeries. Like, this is not some guy with a theory. It's unbelievable. And what this points up, John, is what I've been saying a lot in my book, is atheism dead. The proof for the existence of God. The proof for the existence of our soul. It exists. It's not like, well, we've got some evidence. It is open and shut. It's like,

what proof do you have that the earth is not flat? Can you prove it? Yes, yes, yes. We actually can prove it. And so, of course, in my book, I go into evidence for God from science. This book by Michael Ignore, EGN-O-R, it's open and shut, folks. It's not like, well, who knows? I mean, if you read it, If you read John's review of it, it Chronicles Magazine, or if you listen to my interview with him, or if you read the book, it's open and shut. And I think the good news, John, is that we're living at a time in history, which you and I didn't maybe think we'd live to see where the evidence for God has become overwhelming. There's a sea change happening in culture because of books like that one. There is something happening that, you know, 40 years ago when we were in college, we just couldn't imagine it. That's right. We were, you know, when I was loudly Catholic at Yale, it was like I was some kind of primitive who the anthropology students wanted to study for clinging to these quaint antique

beliefs from the Middle Ages. And, of course, if you don't believe in the soul, you don't believe in free will, you don't believe you have a really rational mind. You think everything you're experiencing is a side effect of electrical, impolite, is being shot through the meat inside your brain. How would you have access to any kind of abstract truths? How could you do math? How could you make scientific judgments?

How can you come up with scientific theories, including scientific theories like materialism that denies the soul? These theories eat themselves. They say that we're not free. Our minds aren't really rational. Just a side effect of the brain. Well, then they wouldn't be able to say that. They wouldn't be able to come up with any.

anything that's objectively true. These are theories that eat their own tale. And I encourage people to read my review of Road Chronicles and read the book, The Immortal Mind. The Immortal Mind. Now tell me who is behind Chronicles

magazine. That's so great to know that it's out there. Oh, it's just it's been around for, you know, like 50 years. And it's sort of aligned with the Pap Buchanan School of Conservatism, which has been largely vindicated. Pap Buchanan was right about pretty much everything he ever said,

everything he warned us about all the books that people would dismiss back in the 90s. They said he was extremist. They tried to paint him as like a Nick Fuentes type. And Nick Fuentes, by the way, tries to appropriate him, tries to claim that he is the real follower of Pat Buchanan. But he's not. Pap Buchanan is a patriot and an American nationalist who loves every, all his fellow citizens because there is fellow citizens.

And he's a Christian. whereas I don't think people like Nick Fuentes actually believe in. Well, actually, I'm glad you just said that. This is the most diabolical thing of all. Nick Fuentes, horrible person that he is, claims to be a Christian. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm here to tell you that is truly diabolical when somebody who is espousing beliefs that are from the dark side claims to be a Christian. What he means by Chris, what he means he says he's Christian. just means I'm not a Jew.

Yeah. That's exactly right. And that has a very dark history. And you can go back to the Middle Ages where Christians acted like Gentile nationalists. And they were Christian in the sense that they were not Jews. And they were not. Well, it's like the Nazis who said were Christians. Right. They were not Christians.

They were Jew haters who thought the opposite of a Jew is a Christian. No. The opposite of Jew is a Gentile. and these were hateful, demonically influenced Gentiles. And Nick Fuentes, when he talks and he says he's a Christian, I just thought, oh, my gosh, there are going to be people that believe that. And again, they think of Christianity as a tribal identity. I'm white.

I'm Christian. I'm against the Jews. It's very confusing. So that's why you have to be careful. And that's John and I are here to help you to understand what's going on because it is really dark. dark out. It's dark out there. These are wild, wild times. Now, John, we've got we've got a moment left. I just have to tell you in case you missed it, two days ago, I happened to have the privilege of being with President Trump. I pitched him on my idea.

I said, I think we need to call the 250th celebration the supercentennial, just by Fiat. Like we say, that's the Gulf of America, done. We need to just say, this is our super centennial. It's America's supercentennial. He said, oh, I think it's a good idea. And I thought, well, he just, yes, me and, you know, 20 minutes later, he announces it to the world in his speech and tells his staff, because whoever's here working for me, okay, let's get it done. We're going to switch. It's going to be supercentennial. That is one of the craziest things I've ever experienced in my life. It happened. So now the 250th is going to be called a supercentennial. I don't know what that means, where that goes, but just wanted to remind everybody. John, thanks for coming on in a moment.

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Yeah. Well, you, look, I met you. Our old departed friend, Alan Chews, took me to your home. This would have been... 1986. Actually, I think it was the fall. No, it was the fall. of 85.

Oh, okay. If you can believe it. I can't believe it. Yeah. It was the fall of 85. We were just children, little children playing in the school ground. But you were already an established author at that time. And we've known each other all these years.

You, I want people to read your writing. My goal is to get people who listen to this program or who follow me on social media to read what you write. Because nobody writes as entertainment. as you do. There are few that come close, but I don't think anybody surpasses you in terms of readability, which is, of course, my highest compliment. But actually what you have to say is so important. So just the other day, you wrote a piece. And again, where can people, if they want to go right there right now, what's the best website to find you, to read this stuff? It's really just my last name, www. www. Kunzler. K-N-S-T-L-E-R.com. Folks, please go there and please

subscribe to Jim's substack. I promise you. You want to be encouraged and entertained and educated. So the other day, what thrills me is that you get into the weeds in a way that I never, ever could. You bring up names that I haven't even heard of of people that are involved in what's going on on the good side and the bad side in our government. And you are sanguine about where we are and what is happening. You're hopeful and encouraging. And again, the good news is you are not, you could never be accused, Jim Kuntler, of being any kind of Pollyanna, not at all. I think that you, you really do acknowledge the forces against us. And so you're not blithely optimistic, but you are cautiously optimistic and you give the details. And so the other day, I mean,

you've done this a few times, but just the other day you wrote a post atcuncelor.com, where you get into what is actually happening and you say things are happening because there are a couple of people that I follow online, people that I really respect, but they're not yet. We need arrests and, you know, has the, has the deep state got to Pam Bondi and what's going on? You, you have a much more hopeful view and you bring the receipts. So let's start. Well, I think that the most conspicuous thing is the silence emanating from the. DOJ and the FBI. And it seems to me that many, many people who are nervous and anxious are misconstruing that silence, thinking that nothing is going on. But I'm very confident that there's

a lot going on, that there is a very earnest attempt to prosecute a long-running coup by a very strange Democratic Party turned Jacobin, you know, in the same way that the, you know, the Jacobins of the French Revolution behaved, working very hard to destroy society. I don't know. The media feed stuttered, and so you said B, the Jacobins B, I think you said behaved, but I didn't know if you were going toward beheaded. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Well, they were beheaded eventually, after they beheaded a lot of people. Yeah. That's the point. Yeah. Well, you know, let's just review this, you know, for one minute. The Jacobins were the faction in the French Revolution in 1793, who arose after the revolution really got kind of, was getting kind of

exhausted. And they turned French society upside down. And after a year of their shenanigans, the people who remained insane got rid of them. And that was the end of them. And I think we're going to see something very similar happened here, that people are tired of being insane and being subjected to the insanity of the Democratic Party, and they're going to deal with the people who behaved badly. Well, to me, though, the headline is that it seems like in the short term, good wins out over evil.

That's a headline because I think it is reasonable to see that that doesn't always happen. Also, truth wins out, you know, truth wins out over untruth because untruth is very fragile and the truth is sturdy. And reality, reality wins out over unreality because this is where we really are. You know, we don't live in unreality. But Jim, to think, but what you're saying, I mean, you're saying exactly what I have been saying, at least for years, exactly. But I think the reason it's a headline is because this doesn't always happen in the short term. We know that eventually because there is such a thing as reality.

There is such a thing as truth. A lot of people would debate that. People on the left would debate that. But we who know different know that in the end, the House wins. Whoever created reality, reality, truth, all this stuff, there's nowhere to go. But you know and I know that historically, it can be bad for a very, very, very long time. We don't know whether we will slide into the abyss. Ultimately, we don't know the ups and downs.

I mean, if you were alive in 1917, you know, you would know that what Lenin is selling is from the pit of hell and it can't last forever, but to think that it could last until 1991 or 1989. I mean, it's a horrifying idea that the gulag could exist for decades and decades. And so we didn't really know for sure in the madness of the last five years where it was headed. I had a sense. but the idea that in fact Donald Trump was not murdered, he was reelected, he was allowed to be installed, inaugurated, that somehow somebody didn't blow that up, and that we are moving forward and good things are happening, that was not guaranteed. So it should at least be startling to people that we are moving in the right direction, that the tea leaves are looking good. Yeah, especially in the context of what's going on in the rest of Western civilization. which is, you know, it's driving itself insane and driving itself toward collapse in France, Germany, the UK, and other countries in Europe. So there's a lot to be concerned about there, but we're not on that train.

We're not on that bus. We're on a different bus going in a different direction. I think I hope, and I suppose a lot of other people in Europe hope that Mr. Trump can set an example for the people over there and maybe they can come to the rescue of their own cultures. But over here, you know, we're fighting a, what turned, what would seem to be a culture war over things that were not all that consequential, you know, sort of styles of living, has turned into a brutal, kind of existential battle for the survival of an American common culture. And unfortunately, instead of an American common culture, what we now have mostly is noise that is making people crazy.

And Mr. Trump is trying to restore a coherent American common culture so that we can understand what reality is and form an agreement among adults in the society about how things work and then make some sort of plan for going forward and a successful. as a culture, so that we can continue the human project, especially the American version of the human project. And it's turned into quite a battle. I do believe that the professor from Ghent in Belgium, Matthias Desmetz, was really onto something with his theory of the mass formation psychosis, which was his kind of, it was a gloss on on previous books about why cultures descend into madness, you know, like Hannah Arendt's books and Edward Bernays' discussion of the madness of crowds. And what Desmond says is that there's some sort of central thing that creates tremendous

anxiety in society that drives them into this mass formation psychosis. And for the kind of elite managerial class in America, that anxiety seems to be the loss of status. And it has made them crazy. And they're doing it crazy. And wait, what do you mean specifically? I'm not tracking there. How do you see that their loss of status? Well, in their desire to maintain power, they lied to the American people.

and pulled so many desperate pranks on them that they lost their authority, so that the authority of everybody in academia, medicine, government, every institution in America has now, you know, come into question. And so the managerial class who run these institutions, the lawyers, the doctors, the professors, you know, the experts, so-called, you know, the people who, the people who drove us into the COVID operation, you know, They have lost their authority and lost their status and lost their access to power. Hang on. Forgive me. We're going to a hard break. We will continue on this subject and others with Jim Kunstler. Don't go away.

Welcome back talking to James Howard Kunstler, whom you can read at Kunstler.com, whom you should and must read at Kunstler.com. Trust me on this one, folks. Jim, you were just talking about, I mean, again, this is unprecedented in our lives. Let's be clear that we have lived to see all of the elites, whether in the field of medicine or quote-unquote science or quote-unquote journalism government on and on, on, abuse their power to the extent that eventually millions of Americans woke up and said, wait a minute, what? I trusted you, you pig, you lied to me and my family and all these harms came out of it. What is going on? We're having a, it is a cultural earthquake that we've experienced. And there's a lot of rubble on the ground.

And it is a very difficult reconstruction project. And the earthquake is still going on because people are still pushing over buildings. You know, you've still got lawfare going on out there, which is, at this point is not much more than a desperate effort to prevent the executive branch of the government from performing any of its duties. And that battles now, it has been fought in the Supreme Court and they're losing that battle. You know, those cases are all being overturned. So, you know, I think that we're on our way, we're on our way back to some extent in restoring a sense of reality and a sense of agreement about what's real and a common culture in America.

But it's very tough. And in the meantime, there are a lot of anxious people there. You know, at the edge of all of this is a kind of apprehension that our economic situation is so fragile and untenable that people are worried desperately about their future and the future of their children. So that's another thing that's really, you know, driving the ongoing psychosis in America. But it's, you know, that stuff is sort of off the radar screen. It's dimly apprehended. Well, it's certainly in the background.

But I think at this point, most people, at least that's how I see it, would just trust Trump. Even if he's getting it wrong, I'm going to trust him over the people that are attacking him. because I don't think he's crazy. It doesn't mean he gets any, it doesn't mean he can't get anything wrong, but his instincts are spectacular. I've never seen a political leader with this kind of instinct. Well, there's a broad appetite out there, a hunger for a restoration of reality. You know, we do not want to pretend anymore. The whole Democratic Party, Jacobin, woke uprising has been an attempt to refute reality. And, you know, people are pretty sick of it. And, you know, and Mr. Trump is doing yeoman's work. And we haven't seen anything like it in our

lifetime, but we haven't seen the nation go this crazy. We had a very, you know, I grew up in 1950s and 60s, and until JFK was shot, we had a pretty sturdy sense of what was real in this country and what was not real. And it's hard to imagine that that was broken, but it is. And as you said, you know, where an earthquake has occurred, and there's a tremendous amount of institutional rubble on the ground all around us. And we're trying to sort through the stones and figure out how to put them back up and reassemble these institutions so that they work like, you know, the institution of the law so that the law becomes concerned with doing what is right rather than just being a struggle for power between one group and another. And, you know, the-

I think, Jim, how scandalous that is, though, the idea, in other words, to me, I'm like a Boy Scout, you know, I think to myself, there is such a thing as justice and truth. And the, the, The idea that a lot of these institutions, a lot of the judiciary has been taken over by activists, you know, to be an activist in that world is by definition to spit on the foundation, on the institution that we have blind justice. And so this has been going on for decades. It's the long march through the institutions. And it's going to take time.

It's going to be hard to convince people that they can trust these institutions. institutions, does the institutions actually serve them, which is the whole idea? I think one of the products of all that is going to be that when prosecutions of people who did, who committed crimes against the nation, when they occur, they're going to be done very carefully and they're going to be done in order to demonstrate how the law actually works, so that people understand what the law is and people understand what is fair and what is not fair, including all kinds of things like the rules of evidence, you know, things that have been distorted and perverted over the, you know, in recent history. So it's very important to demonstrate that in real time in the courts, and that's coming with the prosecution of the people who committed

sedition against the USA. Okay, so you're asserting what I know is true that people committed sedition and that you do believe that the cases are being put together and that we don't want to rush it because in the way this happens, folks, you understand this, right? It's not as all we want to win. No, no, no. We want people who aren't even sure what happened to see what happened and to be convinced that the justice served to these wicked people who did these things is, in fact, justice. It's not revenge. It's not retribution. It is justice as we ought to all love and care about. We'll be right back talking to Jim Cuncelor. Welcome back talking to James Howard Cunzler. You can find him at cuncelor.com. You should go to cuncelor.com. Sign up for his substack.

Jim, you just said that you do believe that is proceeding and that the silence, you wrote about this, the silence, the deafening silence from the left is a great sign. No, no, the deafening silence from the DOJ and the FBI. They are not leaking. They are not, they're not trying to, you know, put this case into the, into the news. They are, they are carefully and sedulously working on these cases to make sure that they are good, clean cases. and they're not going to mess them up before they, you know, get to the grand juries and the courts. And then they're going to proceed fairly, transparently, and publicly in front of everybody to demonstrate how justice actually works. So that's what the silence is about at the moment. That's why we're not seeing Pam Bondi come out, you know, on the talk show, on the TV shows anymore.

And that's why Dan Bongino is keeping his mouth shut at the FBI. Now, there are a lot of people that don't believe that. There are a lot of people that say that they're not doing anything. And so what leads you to believe? I mean, I agree with you. But make the case, why do you believe that this is in fact happening behind the scenes that good things are in fact happening? Well, there is a lot of the targets of this prosecution, you know, people like John Brennan and James Gahomey and even Hillary Clinton have kind of have gone to ground, which means they've disappeared. They're in hiding. They're not coming out. They're

not shooting their mouths off. They're not blabbing. And that's because their lawyers are telling them not to shoot their mouths off because they are about to face prosecution. And it's just a weird calm before the storm. Everybody's nervous about it. People on the right who have been pushed around and persecuted it literally for a number of years and lied to and messed with. are very anxious for this to commence. But I'm confident that we're going to see some action before Christmas. Well, then I was right, though, that there is silence on the left. I mean, because...

From those guys, there's silence. You know, otherwise, there's a lot of, you know, just kind of noise-making. You know, the no-kings, the no-kings demonstrations are still going. going on every weekend in the small towns around me. You know, mostly a lot of geriatric hippies who don't know what else to do and have problems with their own status, having lost their own status. You know, they're trying to prove that they're good people by going out and campaigning against Mr. Trump.

But that's just... It's kind of funny because wherever you look, the left in the country is so unhinged. Last night, I was exhausted last night. I've been traveling. I'm home and I was like, I always want to see, what's on Turner Classic movies? So, you know, less than half the time, something great will be on.

But often enough, last night, I can't find anything to watch except Turner Classic Movies has a documentary on the fabled screenwriter, Patty Chieffsky, who did Marty with Ernest Borgnine and network and whatever. And I knew it was coming. I'm watching this documentary. on Patty Chayefsky, you know, and it's going on and sure enough at the end, near the end,

somebody comes on, I'm really grateful, I can't remember his name, and says basically that Patty Chayevsky in network is predicting Trump. I just knew it. I thought it's got to be, you know, if it's a documentary, it's about Padaycheyevsky. I saw that, too, by the way. I was surfing back and forth between the Yankee game and Turner Classic movies, and I saw that and when I saw Keith Oberman come on stage as a

commentator I realized okay well there you know this is this is going to be completely crazy but you know that's it was a product of you know it was a product of woke Hollywood and and I mean but what's interesting but think

about this think about this I mean so yeah Keith Oberman came on but there were all kinds of other people on and they mostly all producers directors you know but some of some of them were good but you could feel it sort of begin to tilt in that direction. And at the end, again, I can't remember who it was, but is talking about how Howard Beal is, you know, a prediction by Patechievsky of Donald Trump,

of the people looking to some madman to entertain them or whatever it's going on and on. And I thought, you know, look at how the country, look where the country has moved. Patatechayevsky produced one of the greatest films I've ever seen, Marty with Ernest Borgne, just a beautiful, beautiful film in the early 50s. Yeah. There was a consensus in America between left and right. And a movie like that could get made. It's not grandstanding politically.

It's, you know, again, it's the world, it's the Eisenhower world where there still was some consensus. It doesn't mean there weren't dark forces working behind the scenes to bring it down. But I think that ideally we want to move back to that consensus to where. Well, you know, if Patty Sheevsky apprehended anything. in the movie network, it was simply the madness of crowds, not necessarily the, you know, the political direction that it would go in, just the madness of crowds being driven by corporations. That's exactly what he was describing or depicting. And that's not exactly the same as, you know,

pointing to Donald Trump and saying. Right. Right. But again, even talking about corporations, like all corporations are evil. It's any human institution, because it's comprised of human beings who want power, can take us in the wrong direction. And so, you know, it's the, it's chic to say it's the corporations, it's those capital, those big, greedy capitalist corporations. But of course, it could be the Jacobin. It could be people on the left who are anti-corporation.

It doesn't matter. We're fallen. Human beings are fallen. And unless we have, you know, a baffling system. checks and balances, which the founders gave us, unless you have that and work that, you're going to go in the wrong direction. Yeah, a moral order. What's that?

A moral order. Yes. To dare to have a moral order. Anyway, that's kind of funny that you saw the Petitschowski documentary. We're going to go to a break, but I think, again, the fact that you believe that the quiet, on the left and on the right is a good sign is encouraging to me. In the piece that you posted at consular.com, you know, you give all these different names. And I think that a reckoning is coming.

You're saying it and I'm saying it. But this is big stuff. I think when we come back, we'll talk about how big. But it is a big deal, folks. It's a big deal. We'll be right back talking to Jim Cuncelor. me drown. Welcome back, talking to

bow, all kids there. Welcome back talking to James Howard Cuncelor, whom you can find at cuncelor.com. Jim, the reckoning that's coming, I mean, if we see Comer and Clapper and Brennan and Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton, and who knows, Obama, I don't know, pulled in front of cameras to talk about

the dramatic malfeasance that they oversaw. That's a nice word malfeasance. To me, it's a little bit like the Nuremberg trials. I mean, this is a reckoning. It's going to be a reckoning for a lot of people in the middle who don't know what they think yet. At least that's how I see it. That's exactly right. I think it is exactly as consequential as the Nuremberg trials. And something that nobody's talking about is, would these court cases be televised? And, you know, if, you know, if they're not, you know, they're not in Washington, D.C., which appears to be the case. It appears to be that, you know, they're preparing to try these cases in Florida, Virginia, and elsewhere. I think they're going to

do whatever they can to make sure that they're televised so that people can can see how this thing goes in real time. And it's going to be hugely consequential. I don't think any other country has, will have put so many high officials on trial for crimes against the nation as the events that are going to spool out for us in the weeks and months ahead. And everybody, the left made such a big deal of Watergate, and Watergate is a joke, a joke. A traffic violation compared to what we're talking about. But you remember the posturing.

You're old enough to remember the unbelievable moral preening and posturing. over Watergate like, wow, we've been... I saw those hearings every day for months back in 1972, 73, 74. It was riveting. You know, strangely, we have also discovered since then that the Watergate scandal was, in a way, an operation to get rid of Richard Nixon. Bingo. By the deep state.

the CIA. And, you know, it's only been recently that it's been only disclosed recently that Bob Woodward, the Washington Post reporter, who was at the center of the whole thing, was actually, you know, a CIA trainee when he was shifted over to the Washington Post in 1972. And let's imagine that Deep Throat, whom we now know to be Mark felt, was ahead of the FBI. Like what? He's a deputy director of the FBI at the time. Close enough.

But, I mean, the point is that we still, most of the ruling class, the boomer class, they still believe firmly, ardently, that Richard Nixon was evil and that the forces of good, you know, starring Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman, you know, they brought evil, you know, to justice. And, of course, now we're only beginning to see that whole narrative. is the lie. Yeah, you know, we've also learned, I think, over the last several years how long this has been going on and how deep it runs. And, you know, oddly enough, I'm publishing a novel in November.

The title is, look, I'm gone. And it's about a 12-year-old kid in New York, the week of the Kennedy assassination and the week after the Kennedy assassination. and, you know, the rot goes back that deeply. And one of the scenes in the book is that the kid has been staking out the Russian mission to the UN on 68th Street and Park Avenue and kind of harassing the KGB guards there. And eventually, he gets taken for a ride by the UN ambassador from Russia, a guy named Zoran, who, who sits him down on a bench in Central Park and explains to him that the CIA killed the president. Okay, now listen, listen, I want to talk to you at length about this book closer to when it's coming out.

So we'll have you back on as soon as possible. It's very amusing. This is going to be fun. I have no doubt. Jim Cuncelor, thank you so much. You're welcome. Pleasure to be with you.