The Eric Metaxas Show - Stephen Strang

Episode Date: May 16, 2023

Stephen Strang is in the studio to talk more about his new book, “Spirit-Led Living in an Upside-Down World,” focusing on the news, culture, and prophecy -- and even dives into demonic oppression.

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No! Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. It's Tuesday. It is. This is like a big news day. It is, yeah. Unfortunately.

Yeah. Because we like to talk about, you know, silly stuff. The eternal verities or silly stuff. Yeah. Jokey stuff or kind of evergreen eternal verities. But since it's the show about everything, it means that we talk about those things and breaking news, hot stuff, sometimes.

And yesterday. Yes. We got the news that the Durham probe results, you know, are in. And first of all, this is what nobody seems to say. You want to say, like, how, why did it take so long? Like, it took 10,000 years because he was so thorough. He's like, he was so thorough that everyone involved was dead by the time he got to the end of it. You know, it just, that has to be said that they've been showing the same photo.

of John Durham for years. Like he's working on the probe and he's got the – anyway. So we are going to be talking about that on the program. I believe Kevin McCullough will be with us in this hour. I believe Jenna Ellis will weigh in. We're trying to figure out just because the way we do the show, how to fit in folks to comment on it. So I've got some thoughts on it.

And I know, Albin, you have already shared your thoughts with me, so we can talk about that. Before we get to the – actually, I'll just say one more thing before we get to all this other stuff. We have – we have to acknowledge because for some reason, the news doesn't typically acknowledge Josh Hawley. Senator Josh Hawley is one of the tiny handful of heroes in the Senate. A real hero who says

what everybody's thinking and wondering why isn't somebody saying this. Josh Hawley who's not as well known as some of the others. I mean, if you know who he is, you know who he is. But he deserves to be. I mean, he's the sort of guy where people would say like, that guy should run for president. that guy should be Trump's and vice president. That guy should be, you know, there is no doubt that Josh Hawley is at the very, very top of the list of true heroes.

He's a man of deep faith, but he's not the kind of person who allows his deep faith to make him useless and inactive, like other people who claim to have faith and who don't seem to understand this. This needs to translate into action and that they're supposed to comment on corruption and moral issues and stuff. So he's fantastic. I believe we'll have him on the program Friday. Yeah, I think we're going to have him Friday. Because it just so happens that he has a book out, a new book out. Yeah, called manhood. Called manhood.

Boom. Which, of course, is something that I've talked and written about a lot. I think it's at kind of the heart of why we are where we are. When men cease to be men, in God's idea of what it is to be men, then it hurts women. It hurts men. It hurts boys. It hurts girls. It hurts everybody. It hurts the whole culture. And so anyway, I really love Senator Hawley. He's just one of the absolute heroes. And so he's been out there pushing for, you know, who will be held accountable. Because that's the other question, Albin, that everybody asks, you set it downstairs while they were putting on my makeup. Can you tell them I'm wearing makeup? No. I said, make me look like Liz Taylor and Cleopatra. And they refuse every time. They say, no, Eric. that your audience wouldn't buy that. No. And so it's just a kind of a normal job.

There's a new Cleopatra in town anyway. Yeah, that's true. Well, I got to tell you, the downstairs you said it, what everybody's thinking. Go ahead, say it. I mean, because it's like it's so true. You look at the Twitter responses. That's where the real men and women are talking about these things. And they say, look, we get the other side.

We get the people on the left dead to rights. We got them. We caught them doing the deed, right? But nothing ever happens. And that's what the frustration is on our side. No, that's right. So that's kind of, that's the other question. Once you get them, what about it?

What's going to happen? And you need leadership on the left. I'm sorry, you need leadership on the right, which we haven't had. And that's why I guess I mentioned Josh Hawley. I was also thinking that, that he understands the concept of, people need to be held accountable. It's not enough to say we got them. But let's just say for a minute, okay?

I just want to talk about the magnitude of what we're dealing with. And I think the main thing I have to say about this before we get experts on here to talk about it is that what has happened in America, the greatest problem is that the moral corrosion in the country, has led to a lack of shame.

In other words, in the past, if you caught people doing this stuff, they would resign, their staffs would resign. Other Democrats would stand up and say, we didn't know this was happening and they need to step down. There would be a sense of shame

that we didn't know this was happening. But what you get the impression now, the impression you now get, is that they all knew that it was happening. they don't care that it's happening. They don't care whether they are caught because they know that everyone is so corrupt and power mad or at least power-centric.

They don't think about anything but power. They don't think about dignity and truth and right. That it just doesn't matter. Whoever wins wins. And which reminds me, I wasn't going to bring this up. But I, man, there's so much I want to talk about. Maybe we will have the time today, which we never do. But two things, and we can carry this into the next segment.

First of all, last night, this is in the positive column. We rarely get to. Some of you will remember that, I think, five years ago. Was this with you? Were you with us yet officially? So it might have been six years ago. So this is six years ago. It was six.

So it's a long. This is amazing. Yeah. We had a contest on the program. Yeah. To memorize Paul Revere's ride. This will all tie together, folks, if you're listening. To memorize the poem Paul Revere's Ride by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.

I memorized it when my daughter was eight. She memorized it. It's a long poem. And you can kind of really impress yourself when you do it because you think, I didn't think I could do this. Yeah. But you do. It's weird how that works. Like we have its capacity that until you,

Try. So we memorized the poem, and we've talked about the poem a lot on this program. It is one of the great patriotic poems. It is magnificent. Paul Revere's Ride by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. And we at the time said, you know what, let's have a contest that if you submit a video, first of all, I was trying to get young people to memorize the poem. Because I said, if I could do it, if my daughter could do it when she was eight, You don't realize you could do this. So tons of young people, shockingly six years ago, memorize the poem and then made videos of themselves reciting it, sometimes wearing costumes, whatever. It was really fantastic. And we got to see if Chris can dig some of this stuff up, Chris, Chris Himes. So we had a contest, and I will tell you it was very tough to pick a winner. but I said whoever wins this contest and it was a big I mean it was a big

a lot of submissions and a lot of it I said whoever wins a contest contest I will buy you and your family dinner you come to New York whenever it's suitable for you and I will buy you dinner and we'll spend the evening together because this is a big deal and there's a lot of competition and whatever

so who won a young kid so I guess he was like 13 named Jude Barton he was the winner and it was close because there was a lot of great stuff

and it took us until last night to arrange the dinner it took us about six years because of COVID because of it it's all kinds of stuff because of the voting was using a Dominion voting machine

I mean you were still a comedy that was a good joke that was good so last night I'm going to relate this back to the corruption when we get back from the break

because this is we really have time to do this. But to meet this wonderful young man and his absolutely wonderful, delightful parents was just an absolute joy last night. I just want to say it was an absolute joy. And I have more to say about that and about the poem and about how it relates to corruption and cynicism with regard to the Durham probe and where we are as a nation. So we'll be right back. I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired of iconic American brand. selling us out to appease radical leftists.

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I think we'll have some of our resident experts to comment on that, if not in this hour, in the next hour. But in the meantime, I'm commenting on it in my typically elliptical way. and what I was saying off of what you said, Albin, is that people eventually get frustrated. They say, okay, we got this and this and this. We get the evidence. We got them dead to rights. And nobody seems to pay a price.

So that's ultimately what's going on. And I talk about how that leads to cynicism in the body politic. It leads to cynicism among the American people. And as I write in my book, if you can keep it, highly recommended. in my book, if you can keep it, I talk about how one of the central tenets of self-government, of the American idea of liberty, is that the people cannot be cynical and detached.

They have to be involved. And what has happened over the decades is people have become more and more cynical, detached, because they say, oh, nothing's going to happen. So they actually contribute to nothing happening. So when you say, yeah, nothing's going to happen, and you become cynical, and so you say, well, what's the point in voting? What's the point and what's the point?

Once you get there, you are part of the problem. That's kind of something I've talked about a lot. So we're talking about that. So on the positive side, you need encouragement. You need to see examples of good things. We need to encourage each other along the right lines. And so six years ago, we had this contest on the program to get people to recite, to memorand, to memorize the poem Paul Revere's Ride by Henry Wadsworth, Longfellow, which I enjoy you to look up

and to read. It's so beautiful. And it's, you know, it harkens back to a time when, hey, if in 1860 Longfellow wrote this poem to inspire people, what does it tell you? People needed inspiring in 1860. It's not like we were always inspired. We need to inspire each other. We need to encourage each other.

So last night, finally, I had dinner with the young man who won the contest. I'm just giving out a fake name Jude Barton because I don't want people to know the real person. And he's a freshman at Hillsdale. And just a delightful young man. The whole family is just delightful people. And it is encouraging, number one, to meet a family like that because you realize, hey, everybody's not cynical. Everybody's not crazy.

There are tons of people around this country, many of them listen to this show, who get it. who understand what is happening, who are doing what they can, who need themselves to be encouraged, but who are nonetheless encouraging others. So I want to encourage you, folks, that I get to meet these people, not just last night at this delightful dinner, but I get to meet them around the country. I travel to these churches and places, and I don't think I spoke about it. I don't know if I spoke about it on this program.

When my daughter and I were in Alaska, I spoke at a church, but that Tuesday before we came home I spoke to a group of young teenagers called Teen Pact USA and I always semi-joke around like I hate to talk to teenagers because normally they're slumped in their seats kind of like staring at you

through half sleepy eyes like you know I had to be here but I don't really know they're not my favorite audiences well let me tell you something this group of young people was astonishingly wonderful. I almost couldn't believe how wonderful they were. So this is Teen Pact, USA, and this was just the Alaska chapter. They got chapters all over the country, but I was so thrilled and impressed. And so

what I'm saying is I keep meeting people who are doing it right, who are getting it right, who believe in the founder's vision of the country, who do things like read Paul Revere's ride, there's all kinds of stuff going on. But if you listen to the normal, mainstream media, you'd never know it. If you listen to Fox, you'd never know it. So I want to encourage people that good things are happening. And the temptation

to cynicism is one that we have to resist. And in fact, I'll mention it. So last night after this delightful dinner, I come home, I'm pretty exhausted. I turn on Turner Classic movies, which, you know, that's my go-to channel. They normally have wonderful old movies.

And they had a film from 1957, famous film, amazing film, called The Sweet Smell of Success, starring Bert Lancaster, and Tony, oh my gosh, I can't think of it. It'll come to me. This is ridiculous. But the point is that it's a very dark film. It's hard for me to recommend it because it's so dark, especially for 1957. But it's so cynical. And so it's just so dirty in a sense.

You just feel dirty watching it. So it doesn't give you that happy, redemptive feeling at the end. And I thought it's interesting that what you watch affects you. What you take in affects you. So you have to be careful in a sense. I mean, it's still a brilliant, brilliant film. But the temptation to say, you know what, it's all dirty. Everybody's dirty.

Everybody's in on the game. That's the voice of the devil. And I want to encourage you folks to know that, Yes, it's dirty, it's corrupt, but you can be a voice of truth and reason and honor and dignity and clarity. So, you know, people, I just want to encourage people, basically, that you really, you have to be careful what you look at. And I even tell people, just follow me on Twitter. Don't follow anybody else because I try to put stuff out there to kind of steer you in the right direction. Or sign up for my newsletter, Eric Mataxis.com, because I try to share the thing.

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But right now, I want to talk to my friend Stephen Strang, whom we have in the studio. Stephen, welcome to the studio. Thank you. Welcome to New York. Congratulations on the book. Thank you. The book is titled Spirit Led Living in an Upside Down World. Now, we have talked about this on the program very recently, except not in person.

And, you know, when I mention the Durham report, this corruption. like corruption is a nice word for it. It is just like an inversion of everything that is good, true, and beautiful that is happening. And I feel like that ties into, you know, the title of your book, An Upside Down World. I mean, we are living in a fallen world and sometimes we forget how fallen. You're absolutely right. And, you know, the crazy thing is how long it took them to come out with this. Yeah.

You know, this all started when was it in 2016 and it heated up in 17 and 18. And it's just an example of how utterly ridiculous things are. And it's right at the same time as they're looking into the Biden family. So, you know, Congress. Yeah. And the major news networks are ignoring the story. Yeah. And when Trump, when his kids, if I remember right, they met with someone from Russia for like an hour.

hour and a half to talk. And they tried to make some crime out of it. Yeah. And with the Biden family, it's example after example after example. And it's like everybody just ignores it. Yeah. If we had video of like, you know, Hunter beheading children,

that wouldn't make the news because, yeah, everybody beheads kids. You know, look, he's just a normal boy. It is so sick that I have to joke, but it is really, I mean, I think what I keep talking about wherever I go, and at leads us to your book, Spirit Led Living in an upside down world, is that many Americans and American

Christians have forgotten that we're dealing in this world, in this fallen world, with satanic evil. In other words, we kind of act like, well, we've moved past that and we just want to, how can I make my life a little better? We don't understand that Jesus came to save us from death and sin and satanic evil. It's the depth of evil in this world is something that we have, we've kind of forgotten because we've been so blessed. And so we've taken our eye off the ball. And in a way, many of the things that are going on right now are reminding us like, hey, wait a minute, we need God. Only God can lead us to the solutions for what ails us.

We cannot, you know, these are not political fixes. these are not this. Obviously, we need to be involved politically. We need to be involved on every level. But ultimately, when you see the depth of it, it is so ugly and so dark, you realize, if you have any wisdom, the only real answer is God. Absolutely. And what you're saying is very complicated. But when you strip all of it away, Eric, it comes down to that we live in a spiritual world. And the culture wants to tell us that we live in a secular, natural world in which the spirit is either ritual, or superstition or whatever. You know, there's a word for this. It's called gaslighting.

It was the word of the year last year in the Miriam Webster Dictionary is where they talk about how we're the crazy, you know, they say stuff opposite and then we're the crazy ones that we actually believe in God. We actually believe that there could be demons. Yeah.

But it explains everything. Yeah. The spiritual world is more real than the world we see. Oh, look, there's no doubt about that, and you're quite right. But I really believe the church has participated in this. In other words, we've kind of acted over the decades,

kind of like, well, we'll pretend like we're living in a secular world, but we'll carve out our little religious corner. And you think, no, that's wrong. All of reality is suffused with the spiritual. The idea that you can pull away from that and have your little secular safe space, it doesn't exist. And so we're in a sense being,

forced to deal with this thing called reality. Of course. It's God's mercy. There has been a veneer of religiosity in the culture. I mean, I live in the South where you had to attend the right church, you know, the one with columns. It was good for business. Nowadays, you don't really need to do that.

Right. And also, it's getting so bad that people are hungry. They see this stuff doesn't work. You know, even if they don't understand everything that's going on. And, you know, after a while, when you hear this stuff all the time, you begin to believe that it's true, even for believers. And a lot of believers are discouraged. You know, they almost feel like we're losing, but we're not losing. God is still in control, and we've always needed the power of the Holy Spirit.

There have been other really, really bad times in history. But God put us here now for a reason. And so we need the power of the Holy Spirit more than ever. And that's why I wrote the book. I did it to encourage people. I wrote it to give people hope. And also to help people to understand that the narrative they hear from the secularists is not right. The Holy Spirit is real, gives us power, and actually gives us answers to live life.

Well, we've got much more with Stephen Strang. I neglected to say, Stephen, that you are the founder and CEO of Carrizum. Media. You've written many books and you've been everywhere. But today we're talking about your brand new book, Spirit-led Living in an Upside Down World. We'll be right back. Welcome back, we are talking to Stephen Strang about his new book, Spirit-led Living in an Upside-Down World. Now, Stephen, you wrote a book a few years ago. called God and Donald Trump. You and I are, I would say, politically and ideologically and theologically, pretty much

on the same page. So the question is, what led you at this moment to say, I need to write a book about spirit-led living? Where do you perceive where we are and why this is your answer? Well, let me mention the Donald Trump book first. The reason I wrote that book was several books came out, including New Gingrich and Doug Weed and a couple others, that didn't even mention the part that evangelical Christians played in the 2016 election. Right.

And not only that, but there were documented prophetic words that God was going to raise up somebody that was unexpected. I mean, I go into it in the book. And it happened. And I felt it needed to be documented that, Prophecy actually happens today. Look, I want to talk about this with you because I have dared to have a number of prophetic voices on this program, partially calculated to make the heads of some explode and partially, but more honestly, to help people understand there's this reality. It can go wrong.

We've always known. It's kind of like saying, look, I knew this priest once who abused children. And it's like, okay, okay, we get the idea that that's wrong, but I don't reject God and the church because, you know, like let's get back to basics. And the idea that God speaks today, there's no doubt that he does. The only question is how and to whom and how do we perceive that correctly without going off the deep end and worshiping prophets and being, you know. But you rightly acknowledged that people had prophesied that Donald Trump would be elected. This is before 2016.

And I do want to talk about that a little bit because a lot of people forget. There are a lot of people listening to this program who just don't know anything about this. This is crazy. This is real. And we need at least be honest. Even if you don't know what to make of it, let's at least be honest about the fact. So talk a little bit about that because it's, it's, It's at least fascinating.

Well, I documented it very carefully. I knew I'd be attacked, and I'm a journalist, and I believe that accuracy is important. And, you know, it's interesting. I got almost no attacks, either from the people in the church that you referred to that don't believe in this stuff or from the other side. The prophecies were that this person, this outsider,

this chaos candidate, as somebody called him, would be elected twice. And when that did not happen, the critics came out of the woodwork. Now, when you say when that did not happen, you're talking about 2020. I'm talking about 2020. So actually, I'm glad you brought that up because I have been myself very confused about who said what and exactly what they said. Let's go way back to 2007. Kim Clement said that Donald Trump would be elected twice.

Clement. Right. Okay, now... There are two famous videos that are both on YouTube. Yeah. They've both been watched well over a million times. Yeah. And, you know, some of it is kind of in code.

Yeah. And he said that God was going to raise up Trump like a trumpet. He also said that he was going... That Bill Gates was going to be a gate. I mean, you know, the Bible says we see through a glass darkly. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, when Donald Trump, first of all, ran because in 2007, it wasn't even thought of. But didn't Kim Clement or Clement say way back then that Trump would be elected twice?

Twice, yes. Okay, so let's be clear. 2007, ladies and gentlemen, that's 10,000 years ago. 2007, Donald Trump as a political figure is not even a cloud the size of a man's hand. We're talking about something very dramatic, very out of the box, beyond what anyone else was saying. So in recent years, we've had this echo chamber of profits and people are saying all this and stuff. But we have to just be clear, and you documented in your book, in 2007, many people have talked about this. this figure, I didn't know anything about him.

He's since passed away. He declares something that at the time sounds insane. That Donald Trump, this businessman, this brash, thrice-married, New York real estate developer will be elected president. To say that in 2007, that's about as far out on a limb as you can go. Well, I knew Kim personally. He moved here from South Africa in the early 90s. I got to know him back in that era.

Okay. So I kind of saw his rise in the ministry, so to speak. Interesting, he died the same month that Trump was elected. And he died young, and he was sick for a while before he died. So there was no way this was fabricated. But it's just interesting that it happened. You know, there's a lot of prophetic words, but a lot of times they're not documented really, really well. And sometimes things are prophesied that something bad will happen if people don't repent, and then it doesn't happen.

Conditional and it's fuzzy and I got no use for that stuff. So at least let me say this was delightfully clear and crisp. And there were a whole lot of Christians who around 2015 picked up on this. There were others who said it as well. I used Kim Clement because it was very well documented and it was clearer. Some of the other prophetic words were a little bit harder to pin down. But part of the story wasn't just the prophecy. It was that God was raising up.

Cyrus, Cyrus was the Persian king that let the children of Israel go back to Jerusalem. Right. He was a pagan. Who was the one who first mentioned Cyrus? I believe it was Lance Woll now. You know, Lance was the one who made it famous. And maybe he was, but the whole idea is that God raises up leaders and has done this throughout history. Look at Winston Churchill and different people like that.

Abraham Lincoln is a good example. And that God is. involved in human history. The secularists want us to believe that this is not true. And a lot of Christians believe it's probably not true because they never hear anything about it. So that's why I documented it. Right. That's why you've got to get out of those dead churches. I want, I got, it's kind of funny though, because, you know, I realize that there are people who, who know about this stuff. And there's vast swaths of evangelical Christianity that knows nothing about it or sneers at it or preaches against it. In any event, we'll be right back. We're talking

to Stephen Strang, the new book, Spirit Led Living in an Upside Down World. I'm back talking to Stephen Strang. The book is Spirit Led Living in an upside down world. So I like talking to you, Stephen, about these things because you bring a clarity. There's a lot of fuzz and smoke when we're talking about the prophetic. So you mentioned that in 2007. Kim Clement said Donald Trump would be elected twice. Twice. Now, there are a lot of people like me who would say he was elected twice. He was elected in 2020, but the election was stolen.

That seems to me dramatically clear on 100 levels, but he did not serve a second term. So did Kim Clement say that he would serve two terms? Yes. and the way he said it is that God was going to raise someone up who prayed, who didn't go in as a praying president, but would become a praying president. And we can only speculate what's going on with Donald Trump. And I just want to give a disclaimer. I've decided it's not my role to defend Donald Trump or anything like that. You know, I'm a journalist.

I have interviewed him. I have a lot of respect for him. But, you know, part of it is where's God in all this? That's what I'm trying to say. I just interviewed somebody about Lincoln. He wrote a book called Lincoln's God. And it is clear that Lincoln became a believer in the course of his one term. There's no doubt about it that when he went in, you would have had to categorize him as a skeptic or whatever it was.

but something within his term. And the person who wrote this is, you know, a Democrat, I don't know, agnostic. I don't know where he's coming from. But this is not some Christianization of the story of Lincoln. But it seems obvious from what we know of Lincoln because most people today would say, oh, I believe the Lord raised up Lincoln. Yes, God raised him up. Evangelicals, by the way, were what made it possible for Lincoln to get elected.

There's no doubt about it. whether he was a believer in 1860 or not, it was evangelicals who believed slavery's and abomination who helped to get him elected. They were the abolitionists. Of course. And so it's fascinating when you're talking about this. But the church people were very critical of him

because he wasn't a church member. Right. And he didn't go to church every single Sunday, which was very common back then. And he also tweeted late at nights, called somebody horse face. You know, that's just who Lincoln was, man. But it's just fascinating to me because, you know, you try to think this stuff through.

You know, I've read a lot about Lincoln. And he'd go down to Telegraph Office and watch the reports come in. Yeah. That was Twitter of the day, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, sort of. But the idea that Kim Clement said that Trump would serve two terms led a lot of these prophetic voices to insati.

to insist that he would be inaugurated in 20, you know, after the 2020 election. And obviously that didn't happen, which led to a lot of controversy. Well, I've been covering the Christian community for a long time. And I've seen, you know, a lot of people, there are a lot of good people. But there's also people who are trying to build their own ministry, or they try to prophesy a sure thing after it happens. But I think the main thing is there's a- That's called lying, by the way, yeah.

Well, you said it. I didn't. Well, yes, it's called lying. I said it. I think the biggest thing is wishful thinking. Yeah. And in Christian circles, a lot of things. So, for example, your loved one is dying of cancer, and you're just sure that God's going to heal them. Why is that? Because if you were God, you would heal them.

Right. And you're just sure that God is going to do your will. Right. And these people would just sure that God was going to perform a mirror. miracle, the equivalent of parting the Red Sea. Right. And it didn't happen. Right.

Now, let's be real. Trump may be elected a second time. Yeah. I am not proposing that. But it could happen. We've got to go to a break. Lots more coming up, including Frank Gaffney, talking about the Derm Report, yada, yada, yada. Thanks for listening.

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