The Eric Metaxas Show - Steve Deace (continued)

Episode Date: March 30, 2023

Steve Deace continues his presentation of the film, “Nefarious,” and the book, “The Rise of the Fourth Reich;” then, Pete and Seth Talbott discuss a fascinating film series about Israel, "Against All Odds," at SalemNOW.com.

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Dace. We've been talking about his film. I want to talk about his book. So in the next segment, we'll bring him back for a couple of segments. But, Albin, you and I both saw the film, Nefarious. Oh, my goodness, yes. And so since Steve Dase is not here this minute, we can be honest and say, it's really good. Yeah, it really is.

It was one of those movies. looking at it and saying like, wow, this is like Silence of the Lambs, but it's got a lot of C.S. Lewis in it. And, and of course, I didn't realize that Steve was like, yeah, it is kind of like the next level up from C.S. Lewis screw tape. Because C.S. Lewis's screw tape letters, you know, I will say what most people wouldn't admit if they thought it. But of all C.S. Lewis's books, which I adore, that's not one of my favorites. I don't know why. I think reading It's brilliant. There's no question that it's brilliant.

But it's not one of my favorites to read or whatever. But also, partially, it's because he fictionalizes the demonic so much that it doesn't feel as evil as the demonic. Yeah, it's almost cartoony. And not really in a bad way. It's just it's a different kind of fictional conceit. That's, I guess, the term I would use, that he's doing something in, in, scut tape letters, which is really extraordinary. But what Steve Days has done in the book and in the film Nefarious is it's more gritty, it's more real and evil. And so it's something different.

And it's still fictional. I mean, it's not, you know, it's not 100% real, but it's very close. Yeah. And, you know, I thought this could even be a play, because it's mostly these two guys going at it in prison because it's a psychiatrist who reminded me of a young Tom Cruise and even his acting style was like that. But both actors, they're known actors, by the way, and they're incredible in their roles. They really nail what the, the guy playing the atheist, he says right off to the devil, look, you can't convince me because I don't believe in heaven. I don't believe in hell. I don't believe in God or the devil or any of that stuff. And in fact, I think what's happening in the world today is doing pretty good. We got unity, we got

diversity. He starts rattling off these catchphrases, right? And the devil looks at him and says, like, that's what, you're so smart and you're so high level that you don't get what ordinary people are seeing. They're seeing the results of this stuff that you think is, this is Nirvana

for us, for us high level people. But the ordinary people, they're seeing what's going on underneath. And everybody in the world, when you see this, and Steve is right about this, you can really take your atheist friend to this because it's a film. It's a film. It's not a Christian film.

It's a film. It's not a Christian film. It's not a Christian film. It's a good film. It's just a film. But what I like about it is that. It is there's something very real about it. It's just well done.

Some of it is really brilliant. And I don't like to brag. Steve will be back here in a couple seconds and we'll be to continue the conversation with him talking about his new book. But it is important. I would say I see revival happening. because of things like this, that we are waking up to the real divisions between good and evil. And we're realizing that God is good and holy and beautiful and we need to take him seriously because evil is worse than anything we can imagine.

And we're beginning to see it in the culture. And as a result, it's pushing people who've been on the fence or who've been just drifting around to deal with this, to understand this is happening in my time. This is not something that happened back when or that, that might happen in the future. Things are happening now, and God wants me to take it seriously now, right now. And so obviously, in my book letter to the American Church, I talk about this over and over and over again, that we are responsible now and to try to kind of kick this ahead, like, well, I don't

want to stand up with the maniacs. That's exactly what many German Christians said in the rise of Hitler. Like a lot of good people. These are not evil people. Good people said, you know what, I'm going to take a point. pass. I'm going to keep my nose clean. I'm going to see which way the wind blows. I don't want to get in trouble. I have what I think are good theological reasons for staying neutral. And history has shown us that they made a monstrous error. An absolutely monstrous error. The evil that was allowed to be

unleashed as a result of their silence is unlike anything we'd ever seen. And the whole world recoiled and continues to recoil at the satanic evil of the death camps and whatever. But why would we think logically, oh, well, that can't happen now. Well, ladies and gentlemen, not only can it happen now. It is happening now in various degrees. I keep mentioning Yonemi Park, my guest at Socrates tomorrow. She has seen this with her own eyes. I can't even talk on the air about some of this stuff that she mentions in her book. She saw this as a young woman with her own eyes, things that I can't even talk about on the air. There's evil in the world, and we have an obligation to talk about it. And so it means that God is calling us to get closer

to himself and to stop playing church and to be the church and to stand heroically. That's actually a good moment. I know. That's why I love so much letter to the American church, because in there, talk about the Germans before Hitler came on the scene and then when he came on the scene were like, they were good people. It's like, oh, okay, this guy, Hitler, he's coming. He can't do things a little differently. And they weren't evil people. They were like, unfortunately, they're like us today. We're pretty good people. Well, that's the point, is that you don't need to, like, sell your soul to the devil to be used by the devil. You just need to pretend he's not bothering me right now when he's using you very well. I want to remind people, one of our sponsors on the

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Steve, we've been talking about your film nefarious. I mean, I know this is going to touch people, especially probably younger people that are, they're into this kind of a film. It's kind of like death roads, a little scary. It's going to make them think, never a bad thing. I want to talk to you a little bit about your new book, Rise of the Fourth Reich, which is a big deal. Tell my audience about that. So I worked with my colleague here at the Blaze, Daniel Horowitz, and we were part of a group of people who were on the front lines of the information battle starting in March of 2020.

Three years ago, today, actually, when you and I are taping this is the anniversary of 30 days to slow the spread. And we are concerned that none of the evil that was inflicted on us the last few years, from lockdowns to masks to inhuman. human treatment to the poison poke. None of it has been adjudicated. No one's been held accountable on any level whatsoever. And history shows if you let this level of evil and tyranny go unpunished, it will return. And that is why the greatest generation held trials at Nuremberg. They had seen a generational evil, a multi-generational level of evil and realized something

extraordinary, an example need to be made so this would never happen again. Well, it's no coincidence, Eric, that as much of that generation has died off. Some of the old Malthusian ethicists, utilitarian ethicists that have taken over the biomedical fascist state in the West have decided, you know, these guys don't know. They've not seen this before. Let's unleash this on them again. Let's repackage it again. And so we've constructed this book that is a mock Nuremberg 2 trial. It even doesn't have a table of contents, has a list of witnesses.

We have an opening argument where we lay out the case as prosecutors. We call witnesses, real people. We have every interview, all of them recorded. No one's anonymous. Whistleblowers from the Department of Defense, whistleblowers from the health care industry, what they witnessed, what they saw. We also have people that suffered from these policies as well and have not gotten any justice. And we let them speak for themselves.

We kind of set it up like Lee Strobel's case for Christ that way, where we let the interviews go unedited. You just read the interviews as we did them so that these are like witness testimonies. and then we close with the closing argument where we wrap up the case and we call for prosecutions of those who are involved. And then we even have an appendix at the end, which is solutions, policies that you can go, especially to your state and local governments because they were the entities that were asked to enforce these edicts in many cases so that things can be done. Like in my home state of Iowa, for example, with our outstanding governor Kim Reynolds, we have permanently banned masks in schools. They can never come back. okay we didn't just say we're not doing it we're not doing it this time again we said we're not

doing it anymore again and i think that's what we need to do right now is start putting policies in place because since this wasn't punished before they will do this again or worse that's the lesson of history well look um what you write about in this book first of all this is nonfiction i want to be clear rise of the fourth rike this This is nonfiction. You have spoken to actual people. These are actual people. Yes.

So actual lieutenant colonels in the Navy in the military who read and studied the military's defense medical epidemiology database for themselves and saw what the actual safety markers were when they started injecting this poison into our soldiers. Everybody is real and everybody is on the record. And I'm telling you, this book, it will enrage you to read their story. You will want justice for these people, and they deserve it. But so does everyone within the sound of my voice right now deserves justice for the inhumanity that was inflicted on us.

And here's why we use the term Fourth Reich, Eric. This is the first time in history that every major nation on earth, with a few exceptions like Sweden, Taiwan, every major nation on earth instantly, like a Thanos snap, decided we're going to beat our swords into plowshares, we're going to erase our borders, we're going to follow one globalist agenda and inflict this form of demicide on all of our constituents and citizens regardless of form of government like, you know, what we have in China, regardless of neo-democratic socialist countries like in Western Europe, regardless of fading, flailing constitutional republics like our own. It didn't matter. The form of government didn't matter. Everybody almost instantly

agreed right away. Yes, this is what we need to do and impose this on our people right away. that's never I would argue since Babel. We've not seen anything like that in human history since Babel. And that is something that ought to scare the literal hell out of everyone in the sound of my voice. You are the only person besides me to have said what you just said. This is Babel. That's exactly what this is. Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time since the beginning of human history,

human beings have enough power. They can accrue their power. That's what our founders were all about, right? Division of power. Checks and balances. Power is scary. Human power can be a satanic project. So we're going to divide it up.

When you get too much of it, when you get global power, when humanity is able to do what it is able to do right now that it couldn't do 20 years ago, what the Nazis would have dreamed, would have loved to do, they couldn't do. we now have the technology and the power and the ignorance to pull it off, and it is happening. And this accrual of power is a satanic project to reach heaven without God. It is Babel. And you are quite right when you say, we need an accounting. The question, of course, is, you know, after World War II, we lived in a different culture. We lived in a culture that said something must be done. We cannot allow the butchery of millions to just say, well, that's war.

No, no, no. This is a new level. We need to confront this as a race. And they did. The question, and that's why we are in a spiritual war right now, is to get people on this narrative, to help them to understand. Do you know what has happened? Do you understand what many of us have been complicit in allowing to happen? It's why I wrote my book letter to the American Church.

I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the American church, that to be silent in the face of evil, as we have been on a number of issues, the COVID stuff that everywhere you look is to open the door to hell on earth. It happened in Nazi Germany, but it is happening now in the greatest country in the history of the world. what do you suppose it will take to get people on board with the idea that we need justice? Because there's no question that you're right. There's no question we need justice. I hate to say this, but you know me, give me a question. I'm going to give you the most honest answer I can.

I think that we have not seen enough hashtag died suddenly. I'm with you. No, no, no. Say it again. That's exactly correct. That is exactly correct. We have not seen enough hashtag. died suddenly. And here's why I say that. Not every German. Most Germans didn't actively

participate in the rounding up of their Jewish neighbors. Now, almost none of them did anything about it, turned a blind eye to it. Okay. But they weren't actively engaged in that agenda. Most of them weren't. Most people in the world weren't actively engaged in that agenda. In fact, many countries in the world stood up to oppose that agenda. In this case, just look at America. Less than 15 percent of American adults, less than 15 percent of American adults, less than 15% of American adults didn't take any of the gene juice. There's a lot of people walking around right now thinking, am I a time bomb? Am I the next husband that will not be able to help my wife conceive?

Am I the next woman who's going to have irregular periods and have to get a hysterectomy? And I think a lot of Americans, because so many more of us participated in this, at every kitchen table this was an issue in every home. I think a lot of Americans are struggling to revisit this. and want to just move on. Hey, we're not taking any more boosters. Look at the numbers. No one's taking this stuff. They know it's junk. Can we just move on? I don't want to contemplate that I might be the next person to collapse suddenly at the copy machine at work. And I think this is the rare time where I don't think the political system per se is in the way of justice. I think the average American is because I think

the idea of what they knowingly assented to and participated in is so frightening to them of what they said yes to, they don't want to relive it and would just prefer to just absolutely move on and pretend like this was a silly season and it never happened. Well, if what Naomi Wolf has uncovered in the Pfizer documents, if half of that is true, and unfortunately it's all true, we haven't seen the beginning of this. We're going to see more and more and more deaths and harms. we're going to see children unable to become adults and have children of their own. So this is happening.

And the only good news, Steve, as far as I'm concerned, is God is real. And God is a God of redemption and healing and miracles. But I think when we see the depth of this evil as it's unfolding, more and more people will turn to God because they will realize there is no other answer. There is no response adequate unless we turn to God. And then, of course, what you bring up, the idea of Nuremberg trials, I mean, that is necessary, folks. You know, when that guy tried to kill Pope John Paul II, we didn't say, well, we forgive him or the Pope forgives him. He's in jail, but the Pope went to prison and prayed with him and forgave him personally, but you've got to have an accounting.

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Because we are facing madness. And I think the hope is that more and more people slowly, but inevitably are waking up to the fact that we're in an upside down universe, lies have been peddled brazenly, more brazenly. We've never seen anything like this. And you said before that, you know, not since the Tower of Babel. I mean, we are really talking about end time stuff. We have never had the ability as a human species to accrue power in this way. And we know that the accrual of human power. 666 is the number. It's the number of mankind without God. We on our own want to get to heaven, want to reach Godhead, want to be as gods ourselves without Jesus, without God. So it's a

satanic project from the beginning, from the garden, and we are bizarrely, genuinely seeing these things played out now in our generation. I'm glad you went there. because as we close this out, I want to make sure I bring home the stakes that we are playing for here. And this ties into why my company risked millions of dollars to make a movie so we could control the message and not have to water it down. That we have no guarantee of return on investment. It's why people like us have risked all forms of shunning and banning in the social media era to get these messages out during the last few years because of the stakes we're playing for here. In the New Testament, Paul writes, when the time was right, God sent his son. Now, what did he mean? Did they spin the wheel of destiny and it came up 30 AD? No, if you look at human history since Babel,

the first time most of human history was united under one language, whether it was Latin or Greek or one custom, one system, the Greco-Roman system that had not happened since Babel until that moment in human history. The Romans had perfected proto versions of mass transit with shipping lanes and early forms of concrete and paste. roads. This was the first time that you could get a mass message out physically to people aside from a central system was this moment in history. And that's why when the time was right, God sent his son. That was the first moment a messianic message could get to the entire world outside of central consolidated human power. Similarly, when the time was right, the enemy snapped his fingers as well. When enough people had been dumbed down, when enough people could no longer critically think, we used to debate over our critical thinking and the conclusions we made. Now we debate whether

we can critically think at all. When the time was right that enough people had been programmed and conditioned, enough institutions had been captured, Antonio Gramsci's long march to the institutions had been completed. When that time was right, the enemy kicked his plan into motion as well. The lowest stakes, I don't know if we're living in the end of days, but I do know this. The lowest stakes we're playing for are the end of Western civilization. And if you want to know what the world looked like before Western civilization, I've got two words for you, dark ages. And once we become a post-Christian West, we will become what the West was pre-Christianity. Now, it'll look more technocratic. You won't be dying a bubonic plague from rats defecating in the streets. It'll look like China.

You'll have all the accoutrements of modernity, but it will all be central controlled, all of it, by the state. You will no longer be an individual free person, and the church will be. be forced underground with no cultural relevance. That is how this will end. Those are the lowest stakes, Eric. The lowest stakes we're playing for is the end of Western civilization. That's the, that's the low end of what is on the table here. Well, that's what's so extraordinary is that this is where we are. And there are many people just wanting to wave it away and go back to 2019 or 1985 or wherever they think they can go, their happy place because they're unwilling to face the satanic evil that's been unleashed.

Folks, I got to tell you, this is a test of your faith, because if you believe in the God of the Bible, you know he is the one that gives you the strength and the discernment to walk through this. If you're not so full of faith in him, you should be hiding in the bushes. You will hide in the bushes because there's nothing that you can do in your own power to stand against this. We're dealing with evil. And some of us have seen it before others. I caught on to some of this stuff right away, and some of it, not right away. And it's a fascinating thing, how we process this, because it's unprecedented. It's not normal for an American unless they're

just crazy conspiracy theorists to say, yes, this happened and this happened. It is healthy for us to say, well, I'm not so sure. Let me look into this. But then you look into it and it's horrifying. It is absolutely horrifying. But we would be insane not to think that the communist Chinese, if they had the technology and the ability, would not want to destroy the West and have power over the world and use any means necessary and use the greed of big pharma and the silence and the fear of your average American. This is the way evil operates. And that's why it's important for us to understand there are levels here. And we have to think it through.

But if the church will stand up and be the church, that's what God created us for. But we have to be real. We have to understand what's going on. So the book is the rise of the Fourth Reich confronting COVID-Fascism with a new Nuremberg trial. So this never happens again. It's a great achievement. Steve, congratulations on this book. We have to have you back to have a longer conversation because there's so much here.

But I just want to close by saying how grateful I am to you for your voice and your willingness to put yourself out there. Congratulations on this and on the film. And we'll have you back soon. God bless you, my friend. Same to you, brother. Appreciate it. And thank you for the work that you did with Letter to the American Church. It is absolutely vital.

And I pray everyone has ears to hear. So thank you. It's a cherished life. Well, I tried to make it Sunday. Hey, folks. Welcome back. You remember my friends, the Talbets. Remember them of the Talbot Group.com? Well, here they are.

Pete and Seth Talbot, that father and son, dynamo team. Welcome back. Hey, thank you. It's fun seeing you. I missed having that Peroski with you the other day. I was going to say, we always have fun when we're together. I was with you guys in Seattle. I took him home. I dropped by. I missed you. I ended up taking a bag home and I had one with my wife.

And I will see you April 28th at the Socrates and the city event in Seattle. Unbelievable. Yep. We're going to be there. But I want to talk to you. A lot of people know you as the creators of relief factor, that company and a lot of other companies. And now you're getting into what we call the media space. And Salem now.com is airing something that you've both been involved with called Against All Odds. So I want to talk to you about that. Tell my audience what is against all odds available at SalemNow.com. Well, our good friend Bill McKay created a little mini-series,

13 episodes of called Against All Odds, Israel Survives, back in the early 2000s. And it was a docudrama that, did extremely well on Netflix, and it basically told the story of God's hand in the formation and ongoing protection of the state of Israel. And it follows specific stories. He flew to Israel 73 times, 73 trips to Israel over a three-year period, and it is an amazing, an amazing documentary. He started off hearing these amazing stories. from generals and really high up people in the Israeli government.

And this is how it started because he realized there were these incredible stories that the public just hadn't heard about that led to Israel's formation and survival. So then he started doing more and more research, doing further interviews. And then he hired an atheist reporter to be the host to document this through the journey. And it's amazing. It's an amazing series. It's a lot of fun, which you can see on SalemNow.com. They're giving away a combination.

It's basically a feature representation of it for free on SalemNow.com. So it's a free way to take a look at the series, and it's multiple episodes that they reedited and remastered into a feature-length film, even though you can then go watch the rest of the series to see the whole story. And I think it's, especially timely, Eric, with all that's going on in Israel today. I mean, Israel is in apparently what appears to be very deep trouble with the riots and, you know, Benjamin Netanyahu is back in office and there is pressure on him and the country with the rioting and the fire and just the

mess that they're in. It just seems like a good thing. good time. It was real, real nice of Salem said, well, listen, the real news here also is that Bill McKay, along with our efforts, are going to be producing, against all odds, America survives. And we're just finishing up the funding right now, and we'll go into production, Lord willing, here in the near future. So against all odds, America survives, will, be similar in the sense that it will show and illustrate the amazing things that took place, how God worked through the hearts and minds of men and women in the formation and the protection of America. It's going to be very, very exciting. But for right now, sort of as a prelude,

you might say, Salem came to us and actually suggested, let us err against all odds, Israel survives right now just to show the type of docudrama that is going to be coming featuring America. But right now, we need to be praying for Israel. They're going through some nasty things right now. Many have said that this is very similar to 1973 prelude to the Yom Kippur War. It looks like they're in desperate shows. shape, but God is God, and we need to be praying for the country right now. I mean, the thesis, so we'll remind people, go to SalemNow.com.

It's called Against All Odds. How Israel survived. Is that the subtitle? Against all odds, Israel survived. Now, we have to be clear of our thesis. Our thesis is that God exists. He is real, and he operates in history. And some of us are familiar. The three of us have talked together about the miracles involved in the United States of America coming into being and existing through the centuries. It's hard to ignore the idea that God has had his hand on this country in some ways.

People can argue about the details. Israel, same thing. And I didn't know it until you guys brought Bill McKay and his work. to my attention. But against all odds, Israel survives. I had not heard this. And folks, it's important for us to know these stories. Why? Well, because they're true, but also because they affirm to us that God is real, that he plays, he picks winners. He stands up for those that otherwise would go down the tubes if he believes in them. And he wanted Israel, modern Israel, to come into existence to stay in existence. And what happened in 67, when you hear those stories, you begin to see that this is not

just someone's imagination. This seems to be God acting in history. And I guess Pete and Seth, the reason I put it this way is because a lot of times we kind of act like, well, stuff happens. and, you know, who knows, the winners win and the losers lose. And you think, well, no, God is a god of history. And he has his hand on certain nations. If you ever wanted to know if his hand is on Israel, this will help you. Because a lot of these generals that tell these stories about what happened in these wars,

they were not believers. They were just doing their job. They saw miracles. So Salem now.com. Salem now.com. It is Against All Odds. Israel survives. We'll be right back.

Hey, rain and snow wall. So many things I could have done. The clouds got in my way. Folks, I'm talking to my friends, Pete and Seth Talbot. They're with the Talbot group, who are bringing something to Salem now. dot com called against all odds Israel survives. So this was made by our friend Bill McKay a number of years ago and some of it you can see for free at salem now.com. But Pete and Seth, just talk specifically about there were flat out miracles like atheist generals in the war.

They saw stuff and they knew this doesn't make sense. This looks like God, but I don't have a category for that. Can you give us an example of any of those stories that people will encounter? Yeah, I think one of my favorites is there's a scene where the Israelis are trying to cross a field and they realize that it is littered with minds and they can't figure out a way across. And the men are all standing there trying to figure out how they're getting across and they're going inch by inch. and then this incredible out of nowhere wind blows through and uncovers all the minds in the field. And it blows and it blows and it blows and it blows and it blows and it blows and it blows and it moves so much that in the dead of night with the moonlight,

they were able to see the tips of the mines and avoid it and walk safely through. And so it's interesting. These projects, both with America survives and Israel survives, can make people uncomfortable because we don't know why God does what he does. And I think when we see a miracle, I think our inclination is to want to be able to point to a specific cause. We can't tell you why God what he did with Israel. We can't tell what he was doing exactly, but we can tell that he was involved. And I think the same thing applies to America is that we don't know what God's plans are for America.

We don't know where this country is going to go, even, obviously. But we know that something peculiar happened and that things that shouldn't have happened that are statistically just improbable to impossible happened that brought us together. And so part of this is to show that there is a hand of God that we should go to him with to go, we don't know what you're doing. We want to be a part of it. we want to acknowledge your hand and be pliable to you to use us where we're supposed to be. So we fit into your plan.

I think that's where we often go wrong, is that we look at see, okay, something miraculous happened. That must mean God is doing this. And thus, let's humble ourselves and acknowledge that God is a God that we don't understand. We are his tools. We are to be used by him. And there's a humility that comes when you see that powerful, unseen hand in these events. And it's been really awe-inspiring for both of us.

It's very, very exciting. And against all odds, Israel survives will bring you many of us to our knees just to worship God and to say, God, this is amazing. Thank you. And that's why we're so excited about working with Bill McKay. He's done 35 movies, documentaries over the years. and we're very excited that against all odds America survives is going to be able to tell those same kind of majestic experiences of God's hand in America and on America. I'm familiar with many of those stories. I've written about some of them in my book. Yes, you have.

You keep it because you encounter these stories and you think, what am I to make of this? You mean this? There is no, oh, stop it. You mean that? You're holding up my book if you can keep it. Well, but I mean, the point is when you encounter these stories. Did you refer to it to this one? Are that?

I know, that's a different book. But you encounter these stories and you say, this is real. This happened. Yeah. What happened at the Battle of Long Island, the Battle of Brooklyn. Yeah. It was a miracle over and over again. Lincoln talks about it.

We need to acknowledge it. So I find this important. Anyway, go to Salem now.com. Against All Odds, Israel survives. Pete and Seth. Thank you. Thank you. It's been fun. Great to see you.