The Eric Metaxas Show - Steven Collins (continued)

Episode Date: February 17, 2024

Dr. Steven Collins details the discovery of biblical Sodom. (continued)

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And now here's your Ralph Cramden of the Airways, Eric Mattaxas. Hey there, folks, this is the Eric Mataxis show. We are going to play a special Socrates in the studio event with Stephen Collins. Don't forget to go to Socrates in the City Plus.com and subscribe. So you are there in Jordan with your team, including the man you're describing, who was there, not just involved in the Manhattan Project in the 40s, but was there in New Mexico at this, what you're describing, the Trinity site. Oppenheimer calls it Trinity, where they were doing the atomic bomb explosions.

So this guy was actually there. Right. I mean, this is coincidence. This is insane to me. That's amazing. And he's there. He sees this. So I toss it up to him.

He's the one that caught it coming up out of the trench. And he looked at it. It sounds like you're making it up. I know you're not. Yeah, I know. I know. Okay. He looks at it, and then he says, this looks like trinotite.

I had never heard that word before in my life. I said, what's that? He said, you know, don't you hate it when people say that? If I knew, you know, I wouldn't be asking. You know, it's this melted sand under the tower when they exploded the first atomic bomb. It's melted stuff. He said, this looks like that material. I mean, the idea that you would have someone with you there who is from New Mexico,

who actually knows. He's actually from Bellingham, Washington, but he had. Whatever. Want you to be accurate. The fact that you toss this thing up and he says, looks like Trinotite, like, that's insane. That's just amazing. It was an interesting moment.

Because I don't know. So, just to be clear, when the atomic bombs were detonated in the New Mexico desert, what kind of temperature are we talking about to melt sand in glass? The typical temperature underneath that tower is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000, 30,000 degrees Fahrenheit. So like Houston? It's hot. And actually, and actually a lot hotter because it dissipates pretty quickly. But nuclear explosions, atomic explosions, create very intense heat. Okay, so at that moment, your friend says, looks like Trinotite, because obviously you're saying to yourself, this is 1,700 BC,

this is, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years, 2,000 years before glazing was invented. So does it occur to you then that this glaze is the result of an insane, level of heat. Yeah, I mean, before I tossed it up, actually just kind of looking at it, I noticed that the melted surface glass, and eventually we find out it is the clay body, the fabric itself, that's melted. But the glass was lapping over the edge of the brake by about a millimeter.

Now that was strange, because here it's flowing, and it stops as it just goes a millimeter over the edge. What does that make you think? I don't understand. It's not glaze. It's not applied to the pottery. It's the melted pottery itself. So the story gets more intense.

So anyway, I say to him, after he tells me that, this looks like Trinotite, I don't know what that is. He said, you know, it's this. So, well, put the registration number on it. We'll have to have that analyzed back in the U.S., which we did. We got back to the U.S., we carved it up. Well, actually, we didn't. We took it down in New Mexico Tech,

a major doctoral university, and Dr. David Burley, a materials scientist and professor there, took it, sliced it up, prepared it for the scanning electron microscope. Actually, it was one up on that. It was actually a Comica 100, which is like super glorified electron microscope.

And we took it in and had the USGS scientist, running the machine. And this, right above us in the museum of geology, and I didn't know it then, but we went afterwards, we went up there, look, right above us is a big display case full of trinotite. I didn't know that then.

But I give it to this lady who happens to be an expert on that. And she, so she gets the little samples that Dr. Burley had taken into it. You don't tell this woman that this is from 1700 BC. No, she knows nothing. You just give her something to analyze. Right. She knows nothing. And so she gets, she's loading in these samples into the machine because whether they're going to do, he's coated it with carbon atoms.

Yeah, I think they coat it with carbon atoms and then they shoot these laser beams through it or whatever. And it tells you exactly what's there. It tells you chemical composition of everything there. Anyway, so I hand her the piece that it's cut from. She looks at it. First word out of her mouth. Nice piece of trinotype. Where did you get it?

I said, turn it over. It's pottery. Where did this come from? I said, never mind. Just do the test. Now, I was kind of kidding her because right there on the lab sheet is sample Tal el-Ham excavation Project Jordan and all that. But that's the first thing. So that's the second person who knew this material, who's seen it, and their instant reaction was,

it looks like trinotite. And so she does the test. And so here's this screen like this. And so she's zeroing in, looking at stuff. She says, look at this. This looks like a plagiochase. This is, a, this is melt glass, and see there's no structure to it. It's just all kind of homogenous. And so that's the melt glass. That's about a couple of millimeters. Let's go underneath it. And she says, so she zeros in and she blows this thing up.

It looks like a basketball on the screen like that. Boom. I said, what's that? No, I'm sorry, it was worse than that. She said, do you know what that is? Why do people ask me? You know, I, no. I don't. It's, you know, I don't know what that is.

She says, that's a zircon crystal. Okay, so inside this piece of pottery. Just below the melt. Because you're talking about there's this melt, but then in the pottery that's not melted, within that... Right below the glass part. There is a globule of what looks like melted pottery. Well, it's a crystal. Like zircon, it's very... very much like a quartz crystal, all right?

Little tiny sand grain. And she puts it up there and here it is. He says, do you know what that is? No, it's a zircon. I said, how do you know it's a zircon? Because my machine tells me it's a zircon. I'm shooting a beam through it. It's telling me it's a zircon.

Okay, it's a zircon. Do you know why it looks like that? I don't like it when people do this to me. No, I don't. You can say yes, but go ahead. She says, look at it. It's perfectly circular. It lost its angularity.

Why? I said, because it melted. This is a melted zircon. And so we're looking at that going, okay, it's a melted zircon. And I said, what temperature does it take to do that? Remember, it's not on the surface. It's about an eighth inch or more below the melt glass on the surface. I said, what temperature does it take to do that? And if I recall in my numbers right, about 2,800 degrees Celsius.

okay and she said but look at this one and she goes over to another one of those this is a glob and she said that's that's a zircon as well but look at these other little so she shows me there's little bubbles inside this zircon i said well what's that she said this one boiled how do you feel well i feel great one of the reasons i believe i feel better is because i take balance of nature's fruits and veggies in a capsule they've got an amazing story of how this product was developed by Dr. Douglas Howard. It's right there on their website. Balance of Nature receives over a thousand success stories every single month.

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She said, 15, 20, 30,000 degrees centigrade for a millisecond. For a millisecond. For just that long. I said, why that long? She said, because if that level of temperature is sustained for even a full second, the whole thing is melted into a glob or vaporized. You know, I know this story well, and yet you're freaking me out.

This is so amazing. Okay, so in the history of the world, human beings have not been able to create temperatures like this. The only time you have a temperature like this is, you know, on the surface of the sun or...

You can't do it in... If you have an atomic bomb, which obviously... You can't do it in a kiln. You can't do it in smelting metal. These temperatures cannot be re-reacted. in the ancient world for sure. Yeah, or in the modern world until like, you know, recently.

So you know at this point, you're onto something here. Yeah, but I didn't ask for this. This is not my fault. I am just an archaeologist. It's just what we found. And so over the years, we started finding bits and pieces of this melt stuff at various places across the site. Not buckets and buckets of it, but some.

But let me tell you this. On our site grid, the site is so large that we have more than 13,000, 6 by 6 meter, that's 18 feet by 18 foot squares, grid squares, surveyed squares on our site. Over 13,000 of those grid squares on our site. First grid square, that penetrated into the middle Bronze Age found that.

That's like finding a hundredth of a needle in a haystack. What that tells me statistically is that the stuff is not rare and that the fact that it even shows up, because the whole thing was ground up into powder, with the kind of event we now know it is, most things are pulverized, completely, if not vaporized. And so the only thing that gets left in this destruction matrix is what lands after the event is over. When you talk about this destruction matrix, you talk about, so obviously you've discovered something

where the temperature is so hot that it's completely mind-blowing. In other words, at this point, you know this is nothing normal. So what conceivably could have caused this? Okay. That's a great question, but I have to add a little bit to it, just a tiny bit. That's one thing. High temperature proxies or indicators. There are 25 more.

over the last six years when this part of our project was taken over by a completely independent team of researchers called the Comet Research Group. These are people, these are not people of faith, most of them. A few of them are, but most of them are not. Is this what ended up being the Nature magazine article? Yes, they are astro.

So about two years ago or so, Nature Magazine, one of the premier peer-reviewed journals in the world. published about this yeah and they studied it for about six years and they came up with it by the way they're about ready to publish a follow on and but it wasn't just that it was shocked

quartz they had shocked quartz that showed that the and the pressure to create this to shock a piece of quartz and I can't technically go into it but I asked Alan, one of the lead researchers, I said, what kind of, give me a PSI. You know, I know what my car says, you know, 33 PSI on my car tires.

Give me a PSI. I'm sorry, 750,000 PSI. Kizintheit. So, so, pressure. I mean, that's a level of pressure again. What in the world are we supposed to? compare that to. Like, what in the world? You know? You don't. You don't.

I don't. Not in this world. So what else? Erridium. Anybody ever study asteroid impacts? What's one of the key signatures of an asteroid impact? These are mostly oil and cattle people here. Let me give you another one. Osmium. Osmium is not found. It's not just a rare earth element. It's not even found on this planet.

osmium is another it's a smoking gun we have iridium osmium high platinum high iron high I mean just go off the list of things that aren't supposed to be in a garden variety

destruction layer and it's not above and it's not below it's just in that layer 26 proxies that only can be produced by one phenomenon there's it now before you say that what the phenomenon is

the other thing, again, as a layperson who doesn't discuss eridium, you talk about a city like this and you talk about the walls of the city. And what you say in the book, and I probably say in my book, is that gigantic walls of what, 12-foot-thick brick walls.

Yeah, the city walls, five to six meters. were somehow like wet tissue paper, gone. So what does it take? What kind of force would it take for a 12-foot-thick wall to be instantly wiped out? What are we talking about?

What could do that? Well, you could do it with less than 750,000 PSI. Yeah, I mean, And the upper city, the lower city, we have almost no mud brick on the middle Bronze Age walls. On the upper city, we have anywhere from 10 to 12, 15 courses of mud brick. But these are buildings that have meter thick or two meters plus thick walls, and they're all sheared off kind of at the same level. What's interesting about that is you would think, okay, if the city was abounded and all this stuff melted

and it just disappeared normally. where would the stuff go? It would go down the slope, down the hill, down to a lower, it would pool in a lower area. Remember that little area that we excavated, that very first probe in the swale in the low part, right below the palace where you probably have a four or five-story building? That's where it would go.

Do you remember what I said? We got under the Iron Age and we hit the destruction matrix and there's no melted, decomposed mud brick detritus. If that city melted away, weren't all the mud brick to try this. Okay, so to cut to the chase, we have to go to Tunguska, Siberia. What do the scientists in nature who publish this and others, whatever, when they say, well, we've got to explain this. Their explanation, what do they call it? An airburst?

A meteoritic airburst event. A meteoritic airburst event? Or it's also called a bolide. event. Okay, which is? What? When a large space fragment comes into the atmosphere. An asteroid, a meteor. Could be an asteroid fragment, could be a meteor

of some kind, a stony asteroid. But not that large, like what, 200 feet diameter? Yeah, not, you know, this is not to be football stadium size. A lot smaller than this room. I mean, but these are the kinds of things. These are extinction level events, many of them. And they've happened to all over, throughout Earth's history. Not that frequently, thankfully.

We haven't experienced fun in our lifetime. But 65 million years ago, this happened, wiped out the dinosaurs. And about 10,000 years ago, wiped out the megafauna of the great, you know, the woolly mammoths and the saber tooth tigers and all of that happened in North America. Another impact event. One of these happened in 1908. Tunguska, Siberia. of Siberia, very remote location, but talk about that, because that's what people say, like what happened then, that's what had to have happened.

So this happened then, and this is all a function of mass, how big is it, how heavy is it, trajectory, is it coming in straight, through the atmosphere, is it coming in shallow, and velocity. So you have an object coming in at tens of thousands of miles an hour. that's big enough and coming in at a shallow enough angle where it comes through a lot of atmosphere and it's heating, heating, heating, heating, heating, heating.

And at a point, it goes within a second, it goes from, because it's going to go from the top of the atmosphere to the surface in less than two seconds. That's how fast it's going. It's like, what, 35,000 miles an hour? Yeah, it's a plus.

If it's asteroid fragment, it could be going like 80,000 miles. So it's about like 200 feet in diameter. Yeah, it's big. And it's moved. moving at that speed. At that speed. And at a point, the heat gets so great that in just a second, it moves from solid to liquid to gas to plasma.

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Neutrametics.com, use the code Eric for 15% off. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. I now continue my Socrates in the city conversation with Stephen Collins. The end result of all of that research, and it's still ongoing, is that this thing came in at a shallow angle from the southwest. It blew up as it just got into maybe one kilometer so above the north end of the Dead Sea, exploded and completely wiped out everything in that area. And of course in the paper, they superimposed the Tunguska destruction over the top of our site

to show the similarity of the amount of destruction. Tunguska is 1908, happens in Siberia. And let me describe that. 2500 square kilometers. of trees burned and splayed out. Okay, just because I happen to know it, and I think it's interesting. So in an instant, in 1908,

because of a 200-foot diameter something coming into the atmosphere, exploding at that heat, 80 million trees are instantly flattened. So this is like an inconceivable event. and all the scientists who studied this site said that's the only explanation for what could have caused this. Yes.

And people are welcome to have at it with all kinds of other explanations, but we're pretty confident. They're pretty confident that you're not going to come up with something that can account for all of these indicators. Well, what's so fascinating to me is that even in the article, in the nature article, all of these secular scientists say we have to mention

Saddam and Gomorrah. I told him not to do it. I mean, can you imagine the Christian guy telling the secular scientists don't mention Sodom and Gomorrah? Yeah, I just, you know, these guys are just their scientists, and they tell me all the time, Malcolm Lekompton, they just tell me,

you know, we're not Bible, I'm not a Bible person, you know, I'm only in this because NASA's going to ask me, what happens when one of these things happens and we want to know what to tell them if this thing happens over LA or New York, there won't be one. And so they want to know the data. And so

they tell me that. But they were going to publish this thing and they knew what I thought and they knew what the Bible said and so they said well we want to mention that this could, we're going to ask the question. Could this possibly

have been the event in the Bronze Age that gave rise to the Sodom lore that eventually found its way into the Bible. That's all they said. That's all they asked. Okay? I said, don't do it. Why? We would be, we'll be considered remiss if there's a historical text out there that talks about an airburst fire and burning stone, not brimstone, fire and burning stone out of the heavens that destroys this whole area and we're in the right area in the right time frame. If we don't mention that, they're going to say we're not very good researchers. We didn't do the historical side. We only did the science side. So I said, don't do it. Please don't do it. Why? Because if you do

it, I said, you just published the science. Let me handle the other side. I'll mention the science. I'll put two and two together. Just don't do it yourself. because I just promise you there will be problems. Well, guess what they didn't want to do? They didn't want to leave it out. They put it in there. They asked the question. Could this be the event that gave rise to the story of Sodom in the Bible?

Okay. But I will say, in fairness to them, this became, still is the most, accessed scientific paper in the history of scientific papers. What? I didn't know that. In the first year, it went to 750 downloads. 750,000 downloads. Usually papers get like 750, right?

Or 75. 750,000. It's shooting toward a million already. And we got really, really great response all over the world, except for a handful, even less than a handful of scientists, and it's not just this thing. The scientists who pushed back on it, pushed back on everything this other group publishes.

They get vitriolic, they go ad hominem on you, they really get nasty. Because, and let me tell you, the number one propagator of this vitriol, whom I knew, already as one of the world's leading experts on airburst events. I knew this. In 2007, when we took that thing down to Dr. Burley at New Mexico Tech

and had that analysis done at the same month, I contacted this individual because he worked at Sandian National Laboratories right there in Albuquerque where we live. I contacted him. And I said, we may have some kind of airburst event here. You're one of the leading experts on that. I would like you to do the,

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Use promo code Eric. Remember, you get free shipping on your entire order. You can call 800-9783057. 800-9783057. Use promo code Eric. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. I now continue my Socrates in the city conversation with Stephen Collins. He said, let me think about it.

He emailed me back later and he turned me down flat. And I know why he turned me down flat. because it doesn't take too much investigation to find out that I take the Bible seriously. And he didn't want any part of that. I think that's the reason. But anyway, so now look at this. He turned down the opportunity to be the lead scientist on this investigation. And now he's the biggest pushback opponent of that paper.

And I emailed him and I said, you know what? this sounds like jealousy to me you have the opportunity you haven't published a scientific paper of worth in 20 years these young guys these new guys are taken over and you can't stand it

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We could go on for hours. It's so fascinating to me. It's so extraordinary to me. And the weirdest part of all is that year from New Mexico. The idea that people familiar with Trinitite, I mean, it's just hilarious. And by the way, the piece of that first piece we found, actually, recently, Japanese National Television, NHK, She did a big, is doing a big documentary, and they actually took that piece and took it down to the Trinity site. So it actually went full circle all the way down to the Trinity site to meet its little brothers and sisters.

You let me hold? Yeah. That's the piece you let me hold. And I have a picture on my phone right here. I got to hold this piece in my hand. And it's just, I shouldn't say this, but I chipped some off and took it home because I just feel, no, it is so, the whole story is so amazing. and we've just hit the highlights. But if ever anybody, you know, wondered, you know, whether the Bible might be history,

the idea that's something that happens in the first couple of chapters of Genesis, because most people, I think, would say, well, if it happened, we're certainly not going to be able to find it through archaeology. That's just crazy. It's crazy. Here's how I would wrap it up. I would say, and because we've been talking about explosions, and that's the neat stuff, right? How bad was the destruction?

But the archaeology is still very powerful. We now know Talhamamam is the largest continuously occupied Bronze Age City north and east of the Dead Sea. In fact, the largest continuously occupied Bronze Age City in the entire Southern Levant. There was a period of over 500 years when Talhamam was the only city or city state operating in their Southern Levant. Now, here's what I'm saying. Remember that blank map we had? Nobody put anything on this map? The geographies that are written of this area is blank.

And here's what I say. If the archaeologists and the cartographers, historians, had paid attention to the Sodom narratives, they would have discovered, and taken the Sodom narrative seriously, they would have discovered this wonderful civilization a long time ago. Because it is the biggest one. I say if you try to study the southern Levant without Tal al-Hamam,

it's like trying to study Texas without Dallas and Fort Worth, France without Paris. I mean, it is the biggest, most important city in the southern Levant for most of the Bronze Age. So if they'd paid attention to the Bible, they would have found it a long time ago. But they didn't pay attention to the biblical text, and they didn't even go looking, and they never found it. We paid attention to the biblical text. We went to that area. We did our due diligence and research on the ground and now in the ground over 16 years.

And the end result was, we found it. We found it, and now the world knows about that great civilization. I just want to say, because we're going to say, because we found it. we do have to close, but we didn't mention this, but talk just for 60 seconds about the gate

of Sodom. I mean, this is like, this is a mind-blowing archaeological discovery. We haven't even touched on it. Can you just give us a moment because I hope people will read the book? The Bible says in Genesis 19 that Lot sat in the gateway of Sodom.

When the Bible mentions something specific, like a of architecture. I mean, that's something as an archaeologist you key on and that's kind of your, becomes part of your wish list. Oh, I really hope we find that. I want to find that gate because it's actually mentioned in the Bible.

Well, we worked and we worked on the lower city field, L.A., we call it, and we kept working, doing trench after trench after trench, working from west to east. Actually, we worked both directions. But we're moving to the east. New trench every year, you know, six more meters.

Here we go. And for six years, we had this area where we were eating our lunch. That's where we always set up. And so for six years, we're eating our lunch. But finally, the trenches went right and gobbled up our lunch area. And what did we discover underneath our lunch area? The gate to the city. The gate where to the city. In fact, Carol, wave your hand again, Carol was the supervisor of the excavation of the gate area and I've never heard an archaeologist shriek and scream like Carol did not because we discovered the gate because we we we had some of our Jordanian team over there and one of the members was kind of known as the bulldozer and he could really move dirt and he's moving stuff and they're

excavating Carol's running around no no don't touch it don't leave don't touch that stone and leave it and yeah drove her crazy but what did we discover oh the first discovery of a pillared entry hall to a city. A gateway, yes, but not the standard classic gateway you usually get. It's a palatial, columned hallway that goes into the city. And our architect, Dr. Lane Rittmeyer, connected that to the Minoan civilization.

So it has a unique perspective. To discover not just, you know, biblical Sodom and biblical Gomorrah, but to discover the gate of the city, where a lot sat, I would say you could retire now. I think it is so amazing to me. We really are out of time. I want to exhort you folks.

There are limited books back there. We will sit here if you want us to sign them. If you can't get one back there, you can go to Socrates in the city.com, and you can get books at Socrates. DeasantCity.com. In fact, you should go to Socratesandcity.com because there are so many fascinating conversations, sort of like this one. Dr. Collins, I cannot begin to thank you enough. So thank you. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Robert Netsley right now, who is with Inspire

investing. Robert, I can't help but get excited about what you've created, an opportunity for people to find out if their money is funding wicked things, if they have money in a 401k or retirement fund, whatever it is, that is invested in companies that are doing evil things, that is promoting pornography, promoting abortion, promoting any number of things or ideologies with your money, folks. So Robert Nestle has created something where you can get a free report that tells you where your money is,

and they will help you get your money in, to companies that are doing good things. So you have to go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. You get a free report. But this is something I, you know, Robert, I guess it just gives me hope that it's possible to turn things around in America because when I think of how much money people have invested out there, if they would understand what's going on and shift that money to good stuff, it's just huge. It's just absolutely monstrous. It's enormous. It's enormous.

It's enormous. And we are seeing fruit from that labor. It's remarkable. It doesn't have to even be trillions of dollars to change things. I've been on the phone, you know, in recent weeks, you know, with investor relations and CFOs and whatnot. We regularly engage with companies that we invest in or are like to invest in or kind of just speaking biblical truth, the corporate power.

And, you know, one of the things we hear is often that, number one, these people have never heard. They tell us they've never heard from a faith-based investor before. They've been doing their job for 20, 30 years. You know, executive major organizations never heard from a faith-based investor. So number one, they need to hear our voice. Number two, they're thankful to hear it. Even in some of these sort of, you know, woke businesses, you think that this don't care. There are people in those businesses of influence that actually do care about what we have to say and oftentimes have enough influence to change things. So, for instance, Costco stopped giving money to gay pride parades. Chevron stopped giving

in a planned parenthood. There's a laundry list of other organizations that can change things. That is unbelievable. Robert Nelson, that is unbelievable. It is so wonderful. I want to tell people, folks, what you do and don't do, you can change the world if you take an interest in this. When I hear that a company like Costco would stop giving money to something like that or Chevron, these are huge, huge companies. And you shop there, your money may be invest. there. When we get involved in these things, we can change the world. So I want to say the action point is go to invest, I'm sorry, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Inspireadvisors.com slash Eric, you'll get a free report that will help you figure this out. And I know, Robert, that you guys will will help people if they want

to transition to invest in companies that believe in their values. But this is a this is a gigantic thing that we have. I mean, it's to me scandalous when we have power and we don't use that power. It's like when I say, I'm not going to vote. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do that. When you don't do those things, people who don't share your values, who share opposite, who have opposite values, they're going to prevail. So I just want to say to you, Robert, thank you for taking this on because it is game changing. Like, you said it's a movement, the more people that do this, it's an amazing thing when we think of the money that is out there, that many people of faith with traditional values have invested in woke

companies. Ladies and gentlemen, you've got to do something about it. You've just got to do something about it. This is like a mandate that we've got to live our faith out in every sphere and where your money is, that's a big deal. So please go to inspire advice. advisors.com slash Eric. This is a free report, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Robert Natsley, thank you. Pleasure. Thank you, Eric.