The Eric Metaxas Show - Steven Collins (Encore Continued)

Episode Date: July 11, 2024

Dr. Steven Collins details the discovery of biblical Sodom. (Continued)

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And now here's your Ralph Cramden of the Airways, Eric Mattaxas. Hey there, folks, this is the Eric Mataxis show. We are going to play a special Socrates in the studio event with Stephen Collins. Don't forget to go to Socrates in the City Plus.com and subscribe. So you are there in Jordan with your team, including the man. And you're describing who was there, not just involved in the Manhattan Project in the 40s, but was there in New Mexico at this, what you're describing the Trinity site. Oppenheimer calls it Trinity, where they were doing the atomic bomb explosions.

So this guy was actually there. Right. I mean, this is coincidence. This is insane to me. That's amazing. So he's there. He sees this. So I toss it up to him.

He's the one that caught it coming up out of the trench. And he looked at it. It sounds like you're making it up. I know you're not. Yeah, I know. I know. Okay. He looks at it, and he says, this looks like trinitite.

I had never heard that word before in my life. I said, what's that? He said, you know, don't you hate it when people say that? If I knew, you know, I wouldn't be asking. You know, it's this melted sand under the tower when they exploded the first atomic bomb. It's melted stuff. He said, this looks like that material. I mean, the idea that you would have someone with you there who is from New Mexico,

who actually knows. He's actually from Bellingham, Washington, but he had. Whatever. Want you to be accurate. The fact that you toss this thing up and he says, looks like Trinotite, like, that's insane. That's just amazing. It was an interesting moment. Because I don't know.

So, just to be clear, when the atomic bombs were detonated in the New Mexico desert, what kind of temperature are we talking about to melt sand in? to glass. The typical temperature underneath that tower is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000, 30,000 degrees Fahrenheit. So like Houston. It's hot. Actually, and actually a lot hotter because it dissipates pretty quickly.

But nuclear explosions, atomic explosions, create very intense heat. Okay. moment, your friend says, looks like Trinotite, because obviously you're saying to yourself, this is 1700 BC, this is, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years, 2,000 years before glazing was invented. So does it occur to you then that this glaze is the result of an insane level of? heat. Yeah, I mean, before I tossed it up, actually just kind of looking at it, I noticed that the melted surface glass, and eventually we find out it is the clay body, the fabric itself that's melted.

But the glass was lapping over the edge of the brake by about a millimeter. Now that was strange because here it's flowing and it stops as it just goes a millimeter over the edge. What does that make you think? I don't understand. It's not glazed. It's not applied to the pottery. It's the melted pottery itself. So the story gets more intense.

So anyway, I say to him, after he tells me that, this looks like Trinotite, I don't know what that is. He said, you know, it's this. So, well, put the registration number on it. We'll have to have that analyzed back in the U.S., which we did. We got back to the U.S., we carved it up. Well, actually, we didn't. We took it down to New Mexico Tech, a major doctoral university, and Dr. David Burley, a materials scientist and professor there, took it, sliced it up,

prepared it for the scanning electron microscope. Actually, it was one up on that. It was actually a Comica 100, which is like super glorified electron microscope. And we took it in and had the USGS scientists. running the machine. And this, right above us, in the museum of geology, and I didn't know it then, but we went afterwards, we went up there, look, right above us is a big display case

full of trinotite. I didn't know that then. But I give it to this lady, who happens to be an expert on that. And she, so she gets the little samples that Dr. Burley had taken. So you don't tell this woman that this is from 1700 BC. No, she knows nothing. You just give her something to analyze. Right.

She knows nothing. And so she gets, she's loading in these samples into the machine because whether they're going to do, he's coated it with carbon atoms. Yeah, I think they coat it with carbon atoms and then they shoot these laser beams through it or whatever. And it tells you exactly what's there. It tells you chemical composition of everything there. Anyway, so I hand her the piece that it's cut from. She looks at it, first word out of her mouth, nice piece of trinotype.

Where did you get it? I said, turn it over. It's pottery. Where did this come from? I said, never mind, just do the test. Now, I was kind of kidding her because right there on the lab sheet, is sample, Tal el-Hamam excavation Project Jordan, and all that. But that's the first thing.

So that's the second person who knew this material, who's seen it, and their instant reaction was, it looks like trinotite. And so she does the test. And so here's this screen like this. And so she's zeroing in, looking at stuff. She says, look at this. This looks like a plagiochase. This is a, this is melt glass.

And see, there's no structure to it. It's just all kind of homogenous. And so that's the melt glass. That's about a couple of millimeters. Let's go underneath it. And she says, so she zeroes in and she blows this thing up. It looks like a basketball on the screen like that. Boom.

I said, what's that? No, I'm sorry. It was worse than that. She said, do you know what that is? Why do people ask me? You know. No, I don't. It's, you know, I don't know what that is. She says, that's a zircon crystal. Okay, so inside this piece of pottery.

Just below the melt. Because you're talking about there's this melt, but then in the pottery that's not melted, within that... Right below the glass part. There is a globule of what looks like melted pottery. Well, it's a crystal. like zircon is very much like a quartz crystal, all right? Little tiny sand grain. And she puts it up there and here it is.

He says, do you know what that is? No, it's a zircon. I said, how do you know it's a zircon? Because my machine tells me it's a zircon. I'm shooting a beam through it. It's telling me it's a zircon. Okay, it's a zircon. Do you know why it looks like that?

I don't like it when people do this to me. No, I don't. You can say yes, but go ahead. She says, look at it. It's perfectly circular. lost its angularity. Why? I said, because it melted. This is a

melted zircon. And so we're looking at that going, okay, it's a melted zircon. I said, what temperature does it take to do that? Remember, it's not on the surface. It's about an eighth inch or more below the melt glass on the surface. I said, what temperature

does it take to do that? And if I recall in my numbers right, about 2,800 degrees. Celsius. Okay? And she said, but look at this one. And she goes over to another one of those.

This is a glob. And she said, that's a zircon as well. But look at these other little, so she shows me there's little bubbles inside this zircon. I said, well, what's that? She said, this one boiled. For 10 years, Patriot Mobile has been America's only Christian conservative wireless provider.

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Stephen Collins. Now, so I had so. Logically, I'm thinking, now wait a minute, if this thing is not on the surface, it's not in the melt glass, it's below the melt glass, it's a boiled zircon crystal at 5,000 degrees, an eighth of an inch at least from the surface of this thing. I said, well, if it's that hot inside, how hot is it at the surface? It has to be an extremely high temperature. I said, give me a figure. She said 15, 20, 30,000 degrees centigrade for a millisecond. For a millisecond. For just that long.

I said, why that long? She said, because if that level of temperature is sustained for even a full second, the whole thing is melted into a glob or vaporized. You know, I know this story well, and yet you're freaking me out. This is so amazing. Okay, so in the history of the world, human beings have not been able to create temperatures like this. No, you can. The only time you have a temperature like this is, you know, on the surface of the sun or if you have an atomic bomb, which obviously...

You can't do it in a kiln. You can't do it in smelting metal. These temperatures cannot be reached in the ancient world for sure. Yeah, or in the modern world until like, you know, recently. So you know at this point, you're onto something here. Yeah, but I didn't ask for this. This is not my fault. I am just an archaeologist.

It's just what we found. And so over the years, we started finding bits and pieces of this melt stuff at various places across the site. Not buckets and buckets of it, but some. But let me tell you this. On our site grid, the site is so large that we have more than 13,000, 6 by 6 meter. That's 18 feet by 18 foot squares, grid squares, surveyed squares on our site. Over 13,000 of those grid squares on our site. First grid square that penetrated it.

into the middle bronze age found that that's like finding a hundredth of a needle in a haystack what that tells me statistically is that the stuff is not rare

and that the fact that it even shows up because the whole thing was ground up into powder with these with the kind of event we now know it is most things are pulverized completely if not vaporized. And so the only thing that gets left in this destruction matrix is what lands after the

event is over. When you talk about this destruction matrix, you talk about, so obviously you've discovered something where the temperature is so hot that it's completely mind-blowing. In other At this point, you know this is nothing normal. So what conceivably could have caused this? Okay. That's a great question, but I have to add a little bit to it, just a tiny bit. That's one thing. High temperature proxies or indicators.

There are 25 more. over the last six years when this part of our project was taken over by a completely independent team of researchers called the Comet Research Group. These are people, these are not people of faith most of them, a few of them are, but most of them are not.

Is this what ended up being the Nature magazine article? Yes, they are astro. So about two years ago or so, Nature Magazine, one of the premier peer-reviewed journals in the world. published about this. Yeah, and they studied it for about six years and they came up with it. By the way, they're about ready to publish a follow on

and but it wasn't just that. It was shocked quartz. They had shocked quartz that showed that the, and the pressure to create this to shock a piece of quartz and I can't technically go into it. But I, I asked Alan, one of the lead researchers, I said, what kind of, give me a PSI.

You know, I know what my car says, you know, 33 PSI on my car tires. Give me a PSI. I'm sorry, 750,000 PSI. Kizintight. So, so, pressure. I mean, that's a level of pressure again. What in the world are we supposed to put? compare that to. Like, what in the world?

You know? You don't. You don't. I don't. Not in this world. So what else? Erridium. Anybody ever study? Asteroid impacts? What's one of the key signatures of an asteroid impact? He's mostly oil and cattle people here.

Let me give you another one. Osmium. Osmium is not found. It's not just a rare earth element. It's a not earth element. It's not even found on this planet. osmium is as another it's a smoking gun we have iridium osmium high platinum

high iron I mean just go off the list of things that aren't supposed to be in a garden variety destruction layer and it's not above and it's not below it's just in that layer 26 proxies that only can be produced by one

phenomenon there's it now before you say that what the phenomenon is the other thing, again, as a layperson who doesn't discuss eridium, you talk about a city like this, and you talk about the walls of the city. And what you say in the book, and I probably say in my book, is that gigantic walls of what, 12-foot-thick wall. Yeah, the city walls, five to six meters thick. Were somehow like wet tissue paper, gone.

So what does it take? What kind of force would it take for a 12-foot-thick wall to be instantly wiped out? Yeah. What are we talking about? What could do that? Well, you could do it with less. than 750,000 PSI.

Yeah, I mean, and the upper city, the lower city, we have almost no mud brick on the middle of Bronze Age walls. On the upper city, we have anywhere from 10 to 12, 15 courses of mud brick. But these are buildings that have meter thick or two meters plus thick walls, and they're all sheared off kind of at the same level. What's interesting about that is you would think, okay, if the city was abounded and all this stuff melted and it just disappeared normally, where would this stuff go? It would go down the slope, down the hill, down to a lower, it would pool in a lower area. Remember that little area

that we excavated, that very first probe in the swale in the low part, right below the palace where you probably have a four or five-story building? That's where it would go. Do you remember what I said? We got under the Iron Age and we hit the destruction matrix. and there's no melted, decomposed mud brick detritus. If that city melted away, weren't all the mud brick detritus go. Okay, so to cut to the case, we have to go to Tunguska, Siberia.

What do the scientists in nature who publish this and others, whatever, when they say, well, we've got to explain this, their explanation, what do they call it? An air burst? A meteoritic air burst. event. A meteoritic airburst event? Or it's also called a bolide event. Okay. Which is? What? When a large space fragment comes into the atmosphere. An asteroid, a meteor. Could be an asteroid fragment,

could be a meteor of some kind, a stony asteroid. But not that large, like what, 200 feet diameter? Yeah, not, you know, this is not to be football stadium size. A lot smaller than this room. I mean, but these are the kinds of things. These are extinction level events, many of them. And they've happened all over, throughout Earth's history. Not that frequently, thankfully, we haven't experienced fun in our lifetime. But 65 million years ago, this happened, we wiped out the dinosaurs. And about 10,000 years ago, wiped out the megafauna of the great, you know, the woolly mammoths and the saber-toothed tigers and all of that happened in North America.

another impact event. One of these happened in 1908. Tunguska, Siberia. Tunguska, Siberia. Very remote location. But talk about that, because that's what people say, like what happened then,

that's what had to have happened. So this happened then. And this is all a function of mass, how big is it, how heavy is it, trajectory. Is it coming in straight? Through the atmosphere? It's coming in shallow. And velocity. So you have an object coming in at tens of thousands of miles an hour that's big enough and coming in at a shallow enough angle where it comes through a lot of atmosphere and it's heating, heating, heating, heating, heating. And at a point, it goes within a second, it goes from,

because it's going to go from the top of the atmosphere to the surface in less than two seconds. that's how fast is going it's like what 35,000 miles an hour? Yeah it's a plus if it's asteroid fragment it could be going like 80,000 miles so it's about like 200 feet in diameter yeah it's big and it's moving at that speed at that speed and at a point the heat gets so great that in just a second it moves from solid to liquid to gas to plasma hey this is eric mettaxas for years I've told you about nutrometics a professional supplement brand trusted by doctors since 1993 Nutrametics offers a variety of health bundles.

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is that this thing came in at a shallow angle from the southwest. It blew up as it just got into maybe one kilometer or so above the north end of the Dead Sea, exploded and completely wiped out everything in that area. And of course, in the paper, they superimposed the Tunguska destruction over the top of our site to show the similarity of the amount of destruction. Tunguska's 1908 happens in Siberia. And let me describe that. 2,500 square kilometers of trees burned and spayed out.

Okay, just because I happen to know it, and I think it's interesting. So in an instant, in 1908, because of a 200-foot diameter something coming into the atmosphere, exploding at that heat, 80 million trees are instantly flattened. So this is like an inconceivable event. And all the scientists who studied this site said, that's the only explanation for what could have caused this. Yes. And people are welcome to have at it with all kinds of other explanations,

but we're pretty confident. They're pretty confident that you're not going to come up with something that can account for all of these indicators. Well, what's so fascinating to me is that even in the article, in the nature article, all of these secular scientists say we have to mention Saddam and Gomorrah.

I told him not to do it. I mean, can you imagine the Christian guy telling the secular scientists don't mention Sodom and Gomorrah? Yeah, I just, you know, You know, these guys are just their scientists. And they tell me all the time, Malcolm Lekompton, they just tell me, you know, we're not a Bible. I'm not a Bible person. You know, I'm only in this because NASA's going to ask me what happens when one of these things happens.

And we want to know what to tell them if this thing happens over L.A. or New York, there won't be one. And so they want to know the data. And so they tell me that. But they were going to publish this thing. and they knew what I thought, and they knew what the Bible said, and so they said, well, we want to mention that this could, we're going to ask the question. Could this possibly have been the event in the Bronze Age that gave rise

to the Sodom lore that eventually found its way into the Bible? That's all they said. That's all they asked. Okay? I said, don't do it. Why? Why? We will be considered remiss if there's a historical text out there that talks about an airburst, fire and burning stone, not brimstone, fire and burning stone out of the heavens that destroys this whole area, and we're in the right area in the right time frame. If we don't mention that, they're going to say we're not very good researchers.

We didn't do the historical side. We only did the science side. So I said, don't do it. Please don't do it. Why? Because if you do it, I said, you just published the science. Let me handle the other side. I'll mention the science. I'll put two and two together.

Just don't do it yourself. Because I just promise you there will be problems. Well, guess what? They didn't want to do. They didn't want to leave it out. They put it in there. They asked the question. Could this be the event that gave rise to the story of Sodom and the Bible?

Okay. But I will say, in fairness to them, this became, still is, the most accessed scientific paper in the history of scientific papers. What? I didn't know that. In the first year, it went to 750 downloads. 750,000 downloads. Usually papers get like 750, right? Or 75.

750,000. It's shooting toward a million already. And we got really, really great response all over the world, except for a handful, even less than a handful of scientists. And it's not just this thing. The scientists who pushed back on it, push back on everything this other group publishes. They get vitriolic, they go ad hominem on you, they really get nasty.

Because, and let me tell you, the number one propagator of this vitriol, whom I knew already as one of the world's leading experts on airburst events, I knew this. In 2007, when we took that thing down to Dr. Burley at New Mexico Tech and had that analysis done at the same month, I contacted this individual because he worked at Sandia National Laboratories right there in Albuquerque where we live.

I contacted him. And I said, we may have some kind of an airburst event here. You're one of the leading experts on that. I would like you to do the, to come and take samples and do the analysis. Would you do it? You might have heard Mike Lindell and My Pillo no longer have the support of their box stores or shopping channels the way they used to. Yes, it's because of cancel culture.

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That's promo code Eric. 8009788083057.com promo code Eric or go to mypillow.com and use promo code Eric. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. I now continue my Socrates in the city conversation with Stephen Collins. He said, let me think about it. He emailed me back later and he turned me down flat. And I know why he turned me down flat.

Because it doesn't take too much investigation to find out that I take the Bible seriously. And he didn't want any part of that. I think that's the reason. But anyway, so now look at this. He turned down the opportunity to be the lead scientist on this investigation. And now he's the biggest pushback opponent of that paper. And I emailed him and I said, you know what? This sounds like jealousy to me.

You had the opportunity. You haven't published a scientific paper of worth in 20 years. these young guys, these new guys are taken over, and you can't stand it. Wow. I think we're out of time. We have to go to our sponsor, Texaco, is sponsoring this hour.

Is there anything that we have left out as we close here? Because this is, I mean, there's so much. We could go on for hours. It's so fascinating to me. It's so extraordinary to me. And the weirdest part of all, is that year from New Mexico. The idea that people familiar with Trinitite,

I mean, it's just hilarious. It's hilarious. And by the way, the piece of, that first piece we found, actually, recently, Japanese National Television, NHK, which is doing a big documentary, and they actually took that piece and took it down to the Trinity site. So it actually went full circle all the way down to the Trinity site to meet its little brothers and sisters.

You let me hold? Yeah. That's the piece you let me hold in. I have a picture on my phone right here. I got to hold this piece in my hand. And it's just, I shouldn't say this, but I chipped them off and took it home. Because I just feel, no, it is so, the whole story is so amazing. And we've just hit the highlights.

but if ever anybody wondered whether the Bible might be history the idea that's something that happens in the first couple of chapters of Genesis, because most people I think would say well if it happened we're certainly not going to be able to find it through archaeology. That's just crazy. It's crazy.

Here's how I would wrap it up. I would say, and because we're, you know, we've been talking about explosions and that's the neat stuff, right? How bad was the destruction? But the archaeology is still very powerful. We now know Talhamamam is the largest continuously occupied Bronze Age City north and east of the Dead Sea. In fact, the largest continuously occupied Bronze Age City in the entire Southern Levant. There was a period of over 500 years when Talhamam was the only city or city state operating in their Southern Levant. Now, here's what I'm saying. Remember that blank

map we had, nobody put anything on this map, the geographies that are written of this area is blank. And here's what I say. If the archaeologists and the cartographers, historians had paid attention to the Sodom narratives, they would have discovered, and taken the Sodom narrative seriously, they would have discovered this wonderful civilization a long time ago.

Because it is the biggest one. I say if you try to study the southern Levant without Tal al-Hamam, it's like trying to study Texas without Dallas and Fort Worth, France without Paris. I mean, it is the biggest, most important city in the southern Levant for most of the Bronze Age. So if they'd paid attention to the Bible, they would have found it a long time ago.

but they didn't pay attention to the biblical text and they didn't even go looking and they never found it. We paid attention to the biblical text. We went to that area. We did our due diligence and research on the ground and now in the ground over 16 years and the end result was we found it.

We found it and now the world knows about that great civilization. I just want to say because we do have to close but we didn't mention this but talk just for 60 seconds about the gate of Sodom. I mean, this is like this is a mind-blowing archaeological discovery. We haven't even touched on it.

Can you just give us a moment because I hope people will read the book? The Bible says in Genesis 19 that Lot sat in the gateway of Sodom. When the Bible mentions something specific, like a piece of architecture, I mean, that's something as an archaeologist you key on, that becomes part of your wish list. Oh, I really hope we find that. I want to find that gate because it's actually mentioned in the Bible. Well, we worked and we worked on the lower, the lower city, field L.A., we call it, and we kept working, doing trench after trench after trench, working from west to east. Actually, we worked both directions. But we're moving to the east.

New trench every year, you know, six more meters. Here we go. And for six years, we have this area where we were eating our lunch. That's where we always set up. And so for six years we were eating our lunch. But finally, the trenches went right and gobbled up our lunch area. And what did we discover underneath our lunch area? The gate to the city. The gate where to the city.

In fact, Carol, wave your hand again, Carol was the supervisor of the excavation of the gate area. And I've never heard an archaeologist shriek. scream like Carol did not because we discovered the gate because we we we had some of our Jordanian team over there and one of the members was kind of known as the bulldozer and he could really move dirt and he's moving stuff and they're excavating Carol's running around no no don't touch it don't let don't touch that stone and leave it and yeah drove her crazy but what did we discover oh the first discovery of a pillared entry hall to a city a game again

Gateway, yes, but not the standard classic gateway you usually get. It's a palatial columned hallway that goes into the city. And our architect, Dr. Lane Rittmeier, connected that to the Minoan civilization. So it has a unique perspective. To discover not just biblical Sodom and biblical Gomorrah, but to discover the gate of the city where a lot sat, I would say you could retire now. I think it is so amazing to me.

We really are out of time. I want to exhort you, folks. There are limited books back there. We will sit here if you want us to sign them. If you can't get one back there, you can go to Socratesin-the-City.com, and you can get books at Socratesn't The City.com. In fact, you should go to Socratesand-City.com,

because there are so many fascinating conversations, sort of like this one. Dr. Collins, I cannot begin to thank you enough. So thank you. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. Chris Himes, listen. I just want to say some people do not watch videos of this.

Yeah, that's true. So those people who are listening now via radio or podcast cannot see that I have a Trump spray on tan. They can't see that. And I'm glad they can't see that. Yeah, I believe it's, I don't know, Cheeto orange is the color. They also can't see that I'm wearing so much hair product because when my hair gets a little too long, I have to, like, glue it down. Yeah. Because this morning, I had a little crisis.

I call up my barber, Angelo Spiotta. Yeah. Angelo Spiotto. Spiotta Salon. If you come to New York and you want the greatest haircut ever, you go to Angelo at Zeno. Spiotta Salon, it's on 38th Street, S-P-I-O-T-A, right? This morning I called up, Angelo's in Europe. What?

And I don't know if I'm going to be able to get a haircut. This is a real problem for me. I've been going to him for 26 years. Yeah, and now as you've gotten older, your hair's gotten more unwieldy. It gets more and more difficult to cut. Yeah. All right. It's like a wild stallion.

Let's move on here. We have some important things to share. I'm sorry. I apologize, folks. but this is a Trump spray on tan. We have a couple things to mention here. I want to mention our friends at Americans for Prosperity. They are again on the front lines fighting against the border crisis.

Did you know that there was a border crisis? Did you know that the Biden administration is allowing millions of strangers into the country to destroy the America we love? Did you know that, folks? I hope you're going to vote in November, by the way. I hope you care about your country. But it's clear the politicians aren't going to solve this on their own. It's going to take good old-fashioned grassroots activism,

and that's what Americans for Prosperity specializes in. The Americans for Prosperity Foundation has taken hundreds of concerned citizens to see the border for themselves, turning them into informed activists. We need that, folks. Everybody needs to become an informed activist. And they're helping underscore what we need at the border, more border agents, more walls, more technology, mobilizing people. They've just announced a major campaign to hold Biden and his allies accountable for the crisis at the border, which they created.

You can learn more at SecureBorder, SecureAmerica.com. That's secure border secure America.com. Chris, yeah, it's scary down there. It's ironic that it's Sleepy Joe because he seems fond of sleeper cells. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Read them bedtime stories. I was just going to crack the same joke, but then I reject. I rejected it as insufficiently funny.

I want to ask you, I'm going to be posting some stuff on Instagram, and if you do not get my newsletter, Eric Mataxis.com, you got to sign up for the newsletter. Sign up quickly because you'll miss tomorrow's post. But we're putting out the Socrates event we had the other night. We're going to be posting photos. There were a lot of people there. I looked out in the audience. Yeah, I was full.

And I was freaked out. My brother was there. Yeah. I was thrilled to see my brother there. And lots of, like, really old. friends that I haven't seen in a while. And for security, they had a thing that we've never had before there. They had a barricade.

A little like they had a barricade. And when your brother jumped over to give you Nugie halfway through, it was uncomfortable. But they did have a barricade. They had a barricade. No, it was very interesting. I mean, the whole thing was crazy. There was like extra, extra security there. Anyway, thanks for listening.

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