The Eric Metaxas Show - The Current Administration and the State of American Justice.

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

Attorney Sidney Powell joins Eric Metaxas to deliver a hard-hitting look at the current administration and the state of American justice. She addresses the poor treatment of January 6 defendants, what can be done to pursue real accountability, and what lies ahead as President Trump’s administration seeks justice.

Welcome to the Eric Metaxus show. I shouldn't tell you this, but Eric hired someone who sounds just like him to host today's show. But since I'm the announcer, they told me, so I'm telling you, don't be fooled. The real Eric's in jail. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. It's the Eric Mataxis show, and I'm Eric Mataxis. But the most exciting part of the show is not the host.

No, it is the host's extraordinary ability to get spectacular guests. For example, right now for this hour, I am so happy. I get to talk to the great Sidney Powell. Sydney, welcome back to this program. Thank you so much, Eric. It's an honor to be here. No, you're wrong. The honor is mine only to have you on.

In case there are people listening who don't know who you are, ladies and gentlemen, And Sidney Powell is an attorney and author, former federal prosecutor, represented General Flynn. In my book, she's a great American hero. And I'm just so thrilled, Sydney, to have you back on the program to just ask you, I don't know, what's going on? It's been quite a while. You've been through hell. You've been put through hell.

Many of us have been put through hell. But you have been particularly put through hell. we've seen real wickedness in our time. We've seen lawfare, we've seen powerful forces, try to use their power to crush people, people who don't seem to believe in the fundamental values of America or the laws, the principles with which we've governed ourselves for two and a half centuries.

And you've really been through it. So it just makes me happy to see you. And it makes me particularly happy to think of where we, are in America right now, how we have, we've come out the other side and we're swinging and great things are happening in this country that are the result, as I've said many, many times, the pure result of prayer and faith in action, not just theological faith, people willing to live out their faith heroically and to fight for what is right and good and true as God calls them to fight. So thanks for being one of those people. Where do we start? Where do you think we are in the

country right now? What's your sense? I think we're making progress. A lot of progress in turning the ship of state completely to a different course, which was absolutely needed or we weren't going to have a republic anymore. And I'm concerned that we're still at great risk. I don't see our Department of Justice doing a fraction of what it needs to do. And it was not just me or President Trump or Rudy Giuliani who were put through hell. It was you and basically anyone who stood up for the Republic and spoke out against the most anomalous election we've had in the history of the country. It's just, like you said, we've got to have people willing to put their faith in action and stand up and speak the truth. I like when you say most anomalous.

Ladies and gentlemen, in case you're not familiar with the Aramaic term that Sidney Powell just used most corrupt, corrupt as hell, I think, in some translations. We never thought we would see that in America, Sydney. I mean, I remember in 2000, the hanging chads, I thought, what is happening? In America, we don't even lean toward that kind of third world buffoonery and election chaos. I remember in 2000 thinking, this is absolutely unprecedented and very troubling. it seems that things need to get worse before they can get better, but by the grace of God, with the efforts of President Trump and others, we are dealing with this stuff.

You may already know this, but the hanging chads were deliberate. There's a documentary by the Sequoia whistleblowers that work for the Sequoia Election Company, voting systems company, that testified and spoke repeatedly about how They had tried to take the bad paper out. They knew it would be a problem, but it kept getting put back in. And the hanging chads were actually to distract from a 16,000 vote computer glitch, quote, end quote. And I think it was Volusia County, Florida, that really swayed the election for Bush. I have never heard this.

I mean, wow. Well, I think this is the point is that in recent years, millions of Americans have woken up to what's been going on for decades in America. I think that that's what's so difficult is you realize I have been snookered for decades. I have gone along with the narrative myself for decades. I never thought about that. I never thought about that. Now suddenly we're forced to think about all kinds of things, how we've been lied to. And, you know, I remember five years ago for the first time ever hearing the term the deep state and thinking, what?

What is that? Is that a thing? Is that real? And realizing, my goodness, my goodness, my goodness, yes, it is real. We have a swamp. We have moneyed interests, power that have been getting away with murder, often. literally. And finally, we the people have awakened to this, which is a great thing. And you've been a big part of that story. And I'm just so grateful for you, for your courage. What is the title of the

book? When you were in my program a number of years ago, I don't remember the title of your book. Yes, it's called Licensed Lie, Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice, which I self-published in 2014. The importance of license to lie, I think, is it was the first book to call people out by name for their abuse of prosecutorial power and identified a cabal of corrupt prosecutors who were named to the Enron Task Force in the Bush administration, but set about to destroy people and companies like Arthur Anderson in deliberate, clear abuse of power. And then those people were promoted by Obama, like Catherine Rumler became his longest serving White House counsel. Andrew Weissman went from the FBI Deputy Counsel back into the Department of Justice under Loretta

Lynch. Leslie Caldwell went and became Assistant Attorney General in charge of the criminal division under Loretta Lynch. And they were all the prosecutors that had destroyed Arthur Anderson. Oh, and Lisa Monaco, who was, by the way, number two in Department of Justice under Biden. They were all Enron Task Force prosecutors who made up evidence, hid facts of innocence, and obtained wrongful convictions against everybody from Arthur Anderson to some Merrill Lynch executives. Sydney, do you think that we're going to see justice? Because I think people are hungry for justice. They just want to see that, you know, if you stole money, you give back that money or, you know, you go to prison or if you lie. if you harmed the government.

I mean, you know how much evil has been done. Do you have any sense that we're going to get to the bottom of this and that some of these people will face the justice that any of us would face if we'd done similar things? I cannot begin to fathom why a number of people haven't been indicted already. Already, okay, if you don't mind, give us a few names. Well, I don't want to get sued for defamation again,

but it appears to me there's a lot of evidence against a number of public officials whose names have been widely published as having evidence against them for things like mortgage fraud and false statements on bank forms and things like that that are clear-cut cases that could have been indicted within 30 days and nobody of any consequence has been indicted. I can't think of a single Democrat who's been indicted. for anything since the new administration took over. Or Republican either, for that matter. I mean, the corruption we see, Eric, is the uny party. It is both sides. All the smurfing, using money laundering essentially to shuffle money through Act Blue and then distribute it to political candidates. They're taking hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars from fake people.

Call that smurfing because it goes through Act Blue. Was that the idea? Okay. Yeah, it's called Smurping. I guess my question is I always, well, the other day, President Trump posted something on truth social. I was startled. I was actually upset to read it where he was trying to, he's basically saying to Pam Bondi, hey, Pam, we need to see some action.

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promo code Eric. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to the great Sidney Powell. And if she doesn't know she's great, I don't care because we know she's great. Sydney, you are just an American hero. And I want to talk to you about everything that's going on the country. We were just mentioning, or I just mentioned that President Trump the other day put out a truth social post. really kind of publicly saying to his attorney general, Pam Bondi, you know, what's going on?

We need to see some arrests. We need to see some action. I was really dismayed to read that because I thought if he feels that way, that he's willing to say that publicly, that's not a good sign. Because I would always like to believe that people behind the scenes are, they're getting their ducks in a row. They're making their cases. They don't want to move too quickly. they want to make sure that they have everything secure and safe, and it's possible that they could move too quickly.

So I want to put a hopeful spin on it, not in a Pollyanna way, but that's always my hope. So I was kind of dismayed that the president felt that he ought to say that publicly. I reposted that on X with the comment, no president should ever have to do anything like this. But I will note that it was not very long after that he talked. about how great Pam Bondi was and said we needed a good U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia. So somebody had him walked that back. But I've been very concerned that the Department

of Justice hasn't done a lot more already to bring cases that I think could be clear cut or should be clear cut. And the Epstein file thing is one of them. I'm still very concerned that what should have been done there was was never done. And that goes back several decades. Well, what is your sense of why? I don't have a good sense of why. I really don't. My concern is that they're still protecting a lot of people in great positions of power. That is they. Who would be protecting whom? I mean, I really don't get that. Who? Who? Who would we need to protect so badly? I don't get that. I don't think anybody needs protecting that badly. But we all know that the same thing was real and how horrible it was for the victims. And the victims want to speak out and name names. I don't know where they are in that

process. But I think at the very least, that should happen. But in reality, anyone who abused a girl and had sexual intercourse or sexual activity with children needs to be prosecuted. And I would like to see that happen. And the general sense of the American public is it's all been swept under the rug. And the president, for some reason, gets really upset when we talk about it. And I don't understand that either because it's not about Epstein, the person. It's about the application of the rule of law. It's the rule of law that distinguishes this country from third world countries.

The idea being that no man is above the law, and everyone should, should be prosecuted for crimes they commit. And real crimes, not made up crimes, but real crimes. And what happened on Epstein Island involved a lot of real crimes. And people have known about it for at least two decades. And it's just gone on and nothing ever happened. Well, to be clear, we're not talking about little kids, but we are talking about underage young women. And it is baffling to me. Crimes are crimes. It's absolutely baffling. But I still don't understand why the president would say it's a hoax. I mean, I have to say that I'm inclined to trust whatever the president says, but I don't get it. I'm confused why he would say it's a big Democratic hoax. But I feel like I'm much more concerned with the deep state, with the malefactors who ran the CIA and the FBI, and just in the intelligence world, that they have not yet been indicted.

as you say. I mean, I have to believe indictments are coming. But who might be dragging their feet and why? That's what I don't get. If you think that people are dragging their feet as opposed to getting their ducks in a row so they can do it right. I think there's still a huge faction in the FBI that is working counter to the director and the deputy director. I think there are a lot of people in Department of Justice still that are working against everything the president wants the Department of Justice to do. It takes a while to find out who they are and to stop the little things they can do to drag things out forever or even working against and undermining the credibility of the director, like what happened with the investigation

of the horrible assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk. Information was given to the director from the field office indicating that the suspect had been caught when it wasn't the suspect at all. And he relied on that and then, you know, it made him look bad in the press. So there are a lot of forces still at work in our government that don't want to see justice for anyone that was on the left.

and frankly, we're talking about, you know, rank communists like Brennan and Clapper and people who deliberately undermined the entire system of justice. Well, it's hard for me to think that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino would not do everything they could and aren't doing everything they could. So I am still sanguine in terms of the prospects of what they're going to do. Pam Bondi has never been as fire breathing as those two. So I don't know what I think of her. But again, for the president to put out that truth social post telling her like, hey, let's get going, I just don't know what to make of that. I don't, because I don't know Pam Bondi.

I barely know her, but I am very concerned that nothing's been done yet. I mean, the election fraud and everything that happened in the 2020 election, there's so much there that needs to be investigated, and a lot of it goes back to intelligence community operatives that have been working for the last 20 years to destroy the validity of elections not only here in the United States, but around the world. And it does go back. Actually, I can trace some of it back to 2000 and definitely 2004, where machines were used to rig the votes. And we've got to go back to paper ballots, hand-counted, and no machines. If there's a computer working anywhere in the voting process, it can be hacked or rigged to begin with. Well, General Flynn has been very outspoken. I assume you're in touch with him. Yes.

We need to get him back on the show to get his perspective. But is he saying basically the same, it seems to me when I read his social media post that he's saying roughly what you're saying? Yes, I think he understands the problem, and there are a number of other people that do as well. We just have to get back to the basics. And the voter rolls themselves need to be on paper and not computerized, because a lot of the problem came from fake voters that they could create on the voter rolls and create phantom votes, as they're called. It does seem, though, that President Trump gets this, that he finally seems to see what's being able. on? He put out an executive order not too long ago for paper ballots, did he not? Yes. And I think he's probably going to do more in that regard, but we need not just him,

but Congress and the Department of Justice do a job. The problem with executive orders is that anything that can be done by executive order can be undone by executive order. So we need to get Congress off their duffs to enact laws that enact the president's executive orders. until that's done. Everything's at risk of being undone. Right. Well, that's the whole thing. We've got a lot of rhino deep state swamp creatures that are still there.

But is it your sense that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are on to this and that they're looking to remove these people? It would seem to me that they are. I think they know exactly what the problems are, but they may not know who all throughout the FBI is working. to undermine them every day. I think that's a big task. I would say probably half the FBI needs to be fired and start over. And the whole culture has to be changed. And that's a monumental task.

I guess part of us, I even wonder, pardon? I trust Dan and Cash to do the very best they can, but I know that they have factions working against them very hard. Yeah. Well, and I even wonder about, you know, why do we even need the CIA at this point? I think that maybe we need to abolish the CIA. I just can't imagine that it's been a world unto itself for decades and decades.

I don't know. Certain things I don't know that they can be fixed. Yeah, I'm all for abolishing the CIA. I have thought it needed to go for at least 20 years. I don't even think what it does is right most of the time. I think they do more wrong than they do. do good. With our taxpayer dollars.

Yep. They're not, they're not just, you know, it's not on their dime. It's on our dime. And so we have a right to say whether they think they ought to continue doing what they're doing. I mean, listen, most of us, I was saying before, we believe these narratives, you know, that, you know, our guys are good guys and whatever. And some are. But so many, obviously, are not. And it's taken us a long time to wake up.

And that's why we're in the midst of, I think of it as a Second American Revolution. It's a very, very hopeful time in this country that people are waking up. We'll be right back talking to Sidney Powell. Don't go away. If not for you, maybe I couldn't find the door. If you change your mind, take a chance, on the first in line. Honey, I'm still free. Take a chance on me.

If you need me, let me know. We're going to be around. Welcome back, folks. I'm thrilled today to have as my guest, Sidney Powell, attorney, author, former federal prosecutor, author of Licensed to Lie. There's so much.

One of the things that we need to deal with as a nation is what happened on January 6th. And there are tons of people, ostensibly conservatives, Republicans, who still believe the lie, the narrative, that, oh, this was a bad thing

and that there were MAGA people who, they still believe this. I know the Wall Street Journal believes this. Probably most people at Fox News still believe this. It's so bizarre to me that people haven't understood what actually happened on that day, and they still believe this lie. And they're still parroting the lie

that this was a terrible moment and don't understand that it was a hideous inside operation. Can you speak? to that at all if there's anybody listening right now who doesn't know what happened on that day? Yes. I mean, I knew from before the time it happened that it was going to be a setup. As soon as I heard, there were no restaurants open and they were not going to put out porta-potties and they were barricading roads to essentially confine anybody that went into the area of D.C. I told everybody I knew not to get, not to come to D.C. at all.

I stopped at least 10 people from coming to D.C. I could just smell a setup. Okay, now that's a big deal to me, what you just said. That's a very big deal, that you before January 6th could smell a setup. So when you say a setup, what were you sensing was being set up and by whom? That there was going to be some kind of battle that Antifa would be involved. I think Antifa even put out a map of certain areas they were targeting for January 6th. There were going to be so many Patriots there. I didn't think it made sense to me to have Patriots come on January 6th when there was really nothing they could do. It was like, I don't know, it just, it was not a good idea. And it was a ripe opportunity for the left to set up everything they set up from closing, opening the doors to let people in, thinking they were invited, and then hunting them down over the next year as if they'd done something. wrong, putting agitators in the crowd, FBI informants everywhere. I've heard several stories of people telling me that FBI agents or their informants sought to entice people to drive truckloads

of ammunition into D.C. We don't know who put up the scaffolding. I think it was FBI operatives that put up the scaffolding that they wanted to use the gallows or whatever it was. And then the way they were hunted down after January 6th is something that should never have happened. I mean, the best way to deal with any situation like that is to stop the first instance of a problem that you see and arrest them on the spot so that people know what the limits are, that you're not going to tolerate bicycle racks being pushed over if that's the standard, or you're not going to tolerate people going in the Capitol. And instead, they affirmatively opened the doors and invited people in. It was the police that started the violence. The question is always, and I've never been

able to get an answer, who did this? Who set this up? Who were the people who figured this out and said, let's do this? Who do you think was behind this? I think it had a lot to do with Christopher Ray and the FBI and Nancy Pelosi and anybody in that area of... attitude and thought. But to do what? In other words, what would they? They had to build the notion of an insurrection to just try to destroy the MAGA movement. They knew by that time that they had skewed the election enough that Trump was going to have to leave office, that nothing, anybody was going to get done.

All the lawsuits we filed had been dismissed by then. every legal effort had failed. And they started the insurrection narrative before January 6th because it was even hinted at, and one of the pleadings filed against us in the Michigan case, I think it was, in late December or early January. They were anticipating violence. The left was anticipating violence.

Well, the only way you would anticipate violence is if you know somebody is, deliberately going to cause violence. And it wasn't the Trump supporters. It was the police and whoever the uniformed and ununiformed people were that initiated the violence at the Capitol. They shot rubber bullets into the crowd. One guy got a rubber bullet, went through his cheek. I mean, left a big gaping hole in his cheek. They fired tear gas canisters in the crowd behind them, essentially forcing them up the steps to get away from the tear gas. those who were on that side of it.

I mean, it was one thing after the other that is just absolutely appalling for anybody who cares about good law enforcement and justice. And it was... Well, look, what you're saying is true, but the problem is, it doesn't matter that it's true because nobody knows it.

I mean, the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal does not believe what you just said. We have... Fox News doesn't seem to believe. We have a lot of people that are ostensibly on the conservative side or Republicans who don't believe any of this. they've never even heard this stuff.

They just think this is crazy talk, you know. And that's to me the bigger problem. So the question is, how do we get the world to know what actually happened? I mean, I don't know that you have an answer for that. Let me say. Well, we're going to have to rely on Pam Bondi and Cash Patel and Dan Bongino to find the evidence that has to be there of communications between certain people that caused this to happen. I don't know why. You know, if there's anybody here who doesn't look good, it's Pam Bondi.

Now, I'd like to believe that she's doing her job, but it just doesn't look good. And I just hope that she either makes clear that she's doing her job or is asked to leave so somebody can do the job. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to Sidney Powell. Sydney, let me ask you. You said on January 6th that everything that had been done could be done, that these lawsuits were defeated and so on and so forth. I was one of those people who believed that on January 6th,

it would have been possible for Vice President Mike Pence to send things back to the states to give them an opportunity to look at this again. Do you believe that that was not something he could have done? No, I think he could have. I think he could have. I think he could have. I think there should have been a lot more investigation. I mean, the bottom line is every first year lawsuit knows fraud vitiates everything and how our Congress could rubber stamp an obviously fraudulent election is ridiculous. It just shouldn't have happened. There should have at least been a 10-day or something delay and to give the states a chance to review what needed to be done. done from their end. So the question then is, why do you think Mike Pence did not do what you're saying he legally could have done? It would have required a lot of backbone. And I never saw that sort of

backbone and Vice President Pence. I mean, it's standing against the tide. It's, you know, the lone voice that can stop a disaster from happening. And he wasn't. We needed a hero. And, uh, We got Mike Pence. What a pity. What a horrible pity. I guess, but I mean, because I know that there are some people that, oh, he couldn't have done anything. And then there are people say, no, he could have, certainly he could have done something. But it would have taken courage to do what he might have done.

I think that however one sees what he did or didn't do on that day. And I agree with you. But even if, oh, he just got it wrong or he got bad advice, I think a lot of times we're too polite with our public leaders. Like you were elected by we the people to do this, really to put your life on the line for the country. And if you're not interested in that, resign and let somebody else step up who's willing to do what's necessary because you represent millions and millions and millions of people.

And your job is to be a hero, to do the right thing whenever you. Everybody's telling you don't do anything. Here's the safe thing to do. But it was after that when he said that President Trump had asked him to choose between the Constitution and President Trump that I was actually offended. I was really sickened that he would impute that to President Trump. Clearly wrong. And then not even in this last election where we had a lunatic socialist, Kamala Harris, that that that vice president pence did not say America you need to vote for Donald Trump.

Neither did George W. Bush. That really told me everything I needed to know about these people that I once were thought were on our side, that I once thought were, you know, conservative Christians who loved America. Mike Pence and George W. Bush really shocked me in their unwillingness to stand up for the country when we knew that we're on the verge of losing everything if President Trump had not been reelected. It is heartbreaking and terrifying at the same time. It's just really beyond the pale.

But yes, I mean, one of the things, one of the good things that God did in the last four years when Trump was not in office was show us how very evil and bad they are. And that made it possible for Trump to be elected this time. I think if Trump had served a seat, second term he would have been dealing with, and as bad as I wanted that to happen and thought it should happen and that he was elected, all of which is true. I think the country, despite having

gone through the horrible things it did for those four years, waked a lot of people up, and they can see there are no mask on any more of the left. I mean, look at the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination. That tells us all we need to know about millions of people. And it helps everybody see the huge difference between Christian conservatives and these lost souls and very sick people on the other side. We've never seen anything like it. And I think, you know, we've been talking about a lot of dark stuff and depressing stuff, but I really do believe that we're on the verge of glorious things in this country, that all these things will come out. And we have to push folks like Pam Bondi,

either do your job or get out of the way quick. I think President Trump probably is at that point with his attorney general. We don't, we're in a new age and we need people that are warriors and understand what is at stake who will behave heroically. And if you're not willing to behave heroically, get out of the way because there are others who would love to behave heroically for the sake of the nation. The Charlie Kirk murder and what we've seen as a result of that, I think we're on the verge of tremendous revival in this country, and I think we're going to get back to the founding vision.

And without all of these horrible things that we have lived through, I don't think we would have gotten there. So it's interesting, right? Like we so thought, you know, Trump should be inaugurated in January, 2021, but we now realize God's ways are not our ways. And sometimes he allows terrible things, but that ultimately much good comes out of it. I really think that there's never been a clearer case than what happened over the last four plus years. I think that's exactly right. I've never seen a better demonstration of God taking some of the worst thing that's going to happen and working absolutely.

miracles with them. I think we're looking at a worldwide revival, Eric. I mean, I've watched the videos from foreign countries in response to Charlie, and it is just, I mean, my eyes well up with tears every time I see another one. I tried to post as many of them as I could find, but I know there were more. And it's just a huge tribute to Charlie's March for Christ that we've had this reaction. It's beautiful. It is beautiful. And I think what I keep talking about is the dead churches, the churches that when Rovi Wade was overturned, they didn't say one word. When Trump was nearly murdered, they didn't say one word. When Charlie Kirk was murdered, they didn't say one word. I keep saying to folks, hey, folks, if you go to a church like that, quote unquote, church, get out. Get out. Either don't go to church, have a home group. watch a wonderful sermon online. I can give you a list of great pastors, but get out of these churches that they are on the wrong side of history. They don't care how it turns out. They don't care about the nation. We're at an extraordinary moment. We'll be right back. Final

segment with Sidney Powell. Folks, welcome back talking to Sidney Powell. I want to remind everybody, I wrote a book called Letter to the American Church. We made a documentary film called Letter to the You can find it online. You can watch it online. We offered that, and it features Charlie Kirk centrally important. Apart from me, he is the most prominent voice. He helped us produce the film, and he wanted us to get that into every church in America. We offered it free to every church in America. Most churches said, no thank you. That's too political. We don't want to get into that. And if you're going to that kind of a church, folks, get out. And I'll tell you right now, People can watch it now.

Again, you want to know what Charlie Kirk thought? You want to know what he cared about, what he believed in, what he put his shoulder to the wheel to push. Letter to the American Church, the film was one of those things. And so I think we're at this moment now after what we've seen with his murder and this outpouring of love. And you've got to understand, folks, the time is short. We're at a time now where we need to, you know, for the sake of the nation and for Charlie, who he can't do it now. now it's up to us. So I'd say if you're going to a church, ask them to film it, to screen it for free.

It's free, it's free folks or $10 or whatever it is. But, Sydney, you were talking about something that when we were off the air, that churches need to boldly speak up about all this stuff. They take the separation of church and state to an absolute extreme that doesn't belong there. It's ministers that led the way to the American Revolution by talking about things like, justice and truth and courage and fairness and righteousness and integrity. And God's truths, our inalienable rights need to be preached from the pulpit as well. And people need to be encouraged to have courage and to stand up and to fight for what they know is right. And ministers play an important role in that. And I thought your book was absolutely amazing. And I would

encourage every church to show the film and for everybody that's listening to read that book. That's what we've got to do. We've got to get God back in this country in all aspects of it where he belongs. That's how we started. He divined this country. I agree with Charlie. I've said for all my life, the things that came together to form this country could only have been divinely inspired and created. And we've got to protect that. I'm writing a book. I'm writing a book. book now, a big book on the American Revolution, and it is unavoidable. It's not like I'm writing the Christian story of the American Revolution. I'm just writing the story of the American Revolution, and it is just inescapably Christian. I mean, it's just extraordinary the faith that was taken for granted.

They were all men of faith. I mean, we always want to focus on the one or two that differed. You know, he said, well, Franklin, this. It's like, forget it. Even Franklin had more faith. in America today. It's just ridiculous. It was fundamentally Christian. You could never get the idea of inalienable rights. Where do they come from? They come from our God who created us with certain inalienable rights. It's in our founding documents. It's completely inescapable. And we have like jugheads in the Senate like Hillary Clinton's choice for vice president in 2016, Tim Walsh. He doesn't get that. That's how, if you want to know how bad things are in America, we have United States senators who do not understand what every little kid in fifth grade has been taught for 250 years.

That's, that's kind of where we are. We're at a time, Sydney, just so great to have you back. I want to have you back again. We've got a lot more to talk about. But for now, just thank you for all you have done. You have really been a warrior for the country, for freedom. for Christian faith. And we are not done. The Lord is not done with us. We fight on and fight on. And we praise God that the Lord is showing us that he does want to give us the victory. He wants this nation to turn to him and to be free and self-governing and flourishing as a beacon to the whole world. And we've all got our part to do. Thank you, Sydney, for your part in that. Thanks for being my guest today. Oh, thank you, Eric, for all that you do every day, too. You're the most prolific writer. I think I've

ever known. God bless you. You too.