The Eric Metaxas Show - The Talbotts and Robert Netzly

Episode Date: February 25, 2022

It's a potpourri of fun starting with a feisty "Ask Metaxas," followed by sharp business advice from Seth and Pete Talbott, and wrapped in a neat bow with responsible investment suggestions from Robert Netzly.

Folks, welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metals. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy p.m.investments.com. That's legacy p.m. Investments.com. Taxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. It's that time of the week again, Albin. Yes.

It's Thursday hour two. Now, folks, if the radio station you listen to doesn't play the second hour of this program, it means you can't hear my voice. which is really crazy. Because if you can't hear my voice, how do you know what I'm saying? So what you need to do, of course, if you could hear my voice, I would tell you to go to metaxis talk.com. But you can't hear my voice.

So forget it. Skip it. Let's going to go. Right now, we do this an hour two every week Thursday. We do a little segment we like to call Ask Metaxus. In fact, we like to call it Ask Metaxus so much that we actually do call it Ask Metaxus. So you write in questions. We pick as many as we can. Albin asks them, and I try to answer them. So are you ready? Yeah. And go. Okay, this one's a two-parter. Where do you go to church in New York? And where should I go to church in New York? I'm assuming this person lives in New York. It seems that way. So are they saying that they don't go to church? There's a lot of churches. Well, I find myself in a strange situation. Almost every weekend now, I am traveling and speaking this weekend I'll be in Tempe, Arizona. I seem to be in a different

church around the country every weekend almost. So my church attendants in New York City has fallen off dramatically. When I am around, I go to visit my folks up in Connecticut, and so I'll either go to church with them or go to church up there. So the New York stuff, I mean, there are a number of good churches. So let me simply say that if I were you, I would visit, it kind of depends on what you're looking for. Central Presbyterian, which is on 64th and Park, fantastic church, kind of traditional Presbyterian, evangelical, wonderful worship, really a delightful church. We went there for many years before the COVID. But Central Presbyterian is just a terrific church. There's a church downtown worth the trip.

King's Church, our friend David Englehart, is the pastor there. I have actually been there a couple of times in the last month or so, but King's Church downtown is fantastic. And then, my goodness, there's so many other Times Square Church, where I met my bride, as we say, and where I've had the privilege of speaking many times, Times Square Church. How do you come to New York and not visit Times Square Church?

I don't know. So I'm going to leave it there. Question number two, any tips for how to get my boyfriend to stop reading the New York Times? He's a bright guy. I don't have enough information to ask that question because the reason I stopped reading the New York Times was it had become insufferable propaganda. It was always, or before becoming insufferable propaganda, it was propaganda. But it wasn't quite insufferable. And I felt an obligation to see how the folks at the New York Times were thinking and covering things. before it became propaganda.

It was left-leaning journalism, but it was still journalism. I think in this day and age, you need to know that a lot of the institutions of journalism that we once took for granted as basically doing their job are no longer doing their job. And when I say that, it's kind of like saying, you know that doctor you used to trust? He's trying to kill you. you might want to think twice about visiting that doctor. I talk to people, all kinds of people, various ages, and I am myself not less than astonished at how ignorant good people are

of what is going on in the news, because their sources are, the New York Times or CNN or Yahoo News, they think they're getting the news. And I'm here to tell you the news no longer covers the most, important stories of our time. The Durham investigation and the it looks like criminal, treasonous behavior

of the Clinton campaign. There is no bigger story than that. And the mainstream media isn't even covering it. Folks, you don't need to agree with me politically, but if you're not aware of this story, you're not living in reality. So at this point, I don't know what to say to your boyfriend.

I'll leave it at that. Okay. What advice would you give your 28-year-old self. Get a haircut. Yeah. What advice would I give my 28-year-old self? That's a good question. I struggled a lot with health issues in my 30s and 40s. And it was very hard. And I think I always would want to give myself the advice that the scripture gives us. You need to know that God is real, and he's with you. And when the scripture says, be anxious for nothing,

but in all things by prayer and supplication with Thanksgiving, make your question known unto God. God is trying to do us, is trying to bless us, and he's trying to say, listen, I know the big picture, you don't. So I see the future, I see things, and I'm telling you,

trust me, do not be anxious. Do not fret. Know that I am with you. that I have a plan for you. I could go on and on and on, but that really, I can't stress enough that taking the Bible seriously and taking the promises of God seriously, God won't force you to do that. But if you don't do that, you will suffer a lot more than he wants you to. So I guess that's the answer. I heard just this weekend from a pastor, Fear Not is in the Bible 365 times, oddly enough, one for each day of the year.

But if you think about it, it's not just, hey, don't fear, take it easy. No, if you are focused on God, if you give your life to God, and if you walk with God, then you have no reason to fear. If you don't do those things, you have every reason to fear. And so if you find that there is fear in your life, I really want to say the only answer is the God of the Bible. but if you don't turn to him, you're kind of on your own and there's a good reason to be full of fear. So, yeah, okay. Okay, short question, red or green? I have no idea what that means.

Do I prefer red to green? That seems like that. I have no, I don't know. Neither of those is a color of which I am particularly fond. So I'm just going to say pass. Okay, put them together. It's Christmas. How do you choose the guests you have on your show?

Well, Albin, that's a good question. It's a hard question. How do we choose the guests? Well, I think oftentimes people contact us. There's a great book coming out, that kind of thing. There's something in the news. There's really no answer. One thing I can tell you is that we would love to do much more than we do.

There's so many guests that we don't get to or can't get to just because we don't have the time. I have, there's so many stories that I'd like to hear. So it's difficult. Ultimately, Albin, you're the producer. So you're the one that really is in the weeds on this one. But I think that if we think somebody has something that's compelling, and again, we only have so much time in the week. So we're sort of forced to go with that. That's a bad answer.

I'm sorry. Well, to me, it's like in the airport in the movie airplane, where he's going through the airport. And it's like, you know, Buddha loves you, Jews for Jesus, all that. And he's throwing people. It's like people keep coming at him and coming at them. We get so many people coming at us for the show. And they're great guests. We just can't get to them all.

We don't have the room. But it is hard because we wish oftentimes, I think, well, that would be fun or this would be fun. Or that person has been my friend for 20 years, and they would be an amazing guest. And you realize there's only so many hours in the week. In the day. Yeah. Okay. Here's something. Here's a little bit of a softball.

Where do you get those beautiful custom shows? Shirts of yours. I love when people ask questions that are non-sequiters. I do not have any custom shirts, so I don't even know, I don't know what that means. I don't think I've ever had a shirt custom made, and I don't know, so I don't know how to answer that question. I don't know why somebody would think that my shirts are custom shirts. That looks like a Charles Tarrant, by the way. Well, it might, but, because I'm wearing one of those. Actually, you know, it's a great place to get shirts, Kamakura.com.com. Roger Stone. the beau brummel of the conservative set

tipped me off, kamakura.com. They have great shirts. This is a Kamakura shirt. By the way, you and I are both wearing polka dot ties today. And that's the most important thing that we could ever say at any time. Fortunately for the audience, we're out of time. Oh, yeah. I love it when there's a question that's just a complete non-sequitur. Anyway, every week, we like to answer your questions. Don't forget to follow me on Instagram and all those other places. Thank you.

Things lifting up off the ground. Hey, folks, I've got to tell you a secret about relief factor that the father, son, owners, Pete and Seth Talbot have never made a big deal about, but I think it is a big deal. I really do. They sell the three-week quick start pack for just 1995 to anyone struggling from pain, like neck, shoulder, back, hip, or knee pain, 1995, about a dollar a day. But what they haven't broadcasted much is that every time they sell a three-week quick start,

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Let's see if we can get you at a pain too. Go to Relieffactor.com. Relieffactor.com. Or call 800, 500, 500, 800, 800, 8,000, 800. 8384 relieffactor.com. I use it. It works. Live your life in the songs you hear on the rock and roll radio. Hey, this sports fans. I got a question. Let's say you have a business. Pretty good business. But you've decided, you know what? It's so good. I want to retire. I want to sell the business.

How do I do that? Well, about once a week I like to bring on my friends Pete and Seth Talbot. And they like to answer these questions. And they have actual good answers. and they are identifying not as father and son Pete and Seth, but as the Talbot group. Talbot group, welcome. I'm proud of my son. He's still answers to Pete a little bit. But you're still proud of your son?

I'm a little bit louder. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. No, but you guys, look, this is what you do. You examine these kinds of things, and we met for dinner the other night, and you were talking about this is a real problem, that there are companies that they go like,

okay, we're ready to sell the company, but they have problems. Why? Well, usually our firm talks about this where owners come to us usually in one of three states, where they either want out yesterday, they want out within a year, or they're thinking about it in the next three to five. And the reality is that the reason why most companies don't sell, small businesses don't sell, is because there is incredible owner dependence on the running of the company, both operationally and typically. with sales. And they don't know how to get out of the business. So what most people probably don't know is that there's about $10 trillion worth of generational transition happening with boomers exiting the market within the next decade. 10 trillion. 10 trillion within the next decade.

And the public group, we've merged with another company, one accord, and that's what we do. And we help companies sell. And we focus on generational transition, boomer transition. We call it the gray wave, you know, the great tsunami. And there's all this generational transition going on. And so we meet owners all the time that have a company, you know, and they're in the, you know, five to 20 million in range, typically. And some of a little larger, but typically in that range, and they don't know what to do with it. It's been their life. They've been. They've been, been there for 20 plus years. They certainly don't know how to sell.

Well, the logical question, too, speaking as a non-business guy, but what is it that you're selling, right? In other words, if you've been the driving force and then you're saying, but when I sell this and I want out, it reduces the value in a sense. By about a third at least. Okay. There's usually at least a third. So if a P.E. firm, a private equity firm is coming in and looking at your company,

which, by the way, most private equity firms won't look at companies that small, which is, again, why most companies will. won't sell and they just shut down. We were actually looking at a building just before the pandemic hit. And we were looking at a new building to grow into. And we visited this place and we're walking through and it was a machine shop with an office space attached. We wanted a big warehouse thing. We're walking through and the agent tells us, oh, by the way, that this is an owner-run company. He's retiring, can't find a buyer. So they're just shutting down the whole business. And this will be available within six to 12 months based on when they just shut it down. So we're walking through

it. And it was a weird experience because the business was running. There are people in the machine shop, working on projects, doing stuff. There's a need. You walk in the office. There's people in the office and you're thinking they're just shutting it down. Right. And that's not unusual. It is not unusual. We actually just helped a company sell their boat as in fact it was A boat company. And they had an international offer from a Chinese firm that was a huge valuation. And they said no, because it was a family-run business, very successful luxury yachts out of the Seattle area, very successful. But it was a pride of ownership.

This had been, is a third generation. And they were just going to shut it down. Excuse me. We have well-off of this. I'm not getting choked up over. He's getting choked up. I can't believe it. But the bottom, according to Forbes, we've got a crisis looming.

The serious facts are that 90% of businesses that try to sell don't. Don't. They can't. They wind up shutting down, losing them, what have you. 90%. So that's really like leaving money on the table. Yeah, but it's not just that, yes. Oh, it's transferred over to me.

It's not just that. they don't know how to sell. They're not ready to sell. And so in some cases, what we do, like we told about the diagnostic review that we have developed, is very helpful for someone who is thinking either short or maybe midterm year, two, three years down the track, to get their act together, to get their operations together to maximize the value. Because the thing is, most private equity firms, by the way, too, won't. come in and fix. They'll tell you, here's what we think we can sell you for. Well, private equity

is, but a typical agency that sells for us. Private equity actually is buying companies, but an agency is going to sell, they don't have the staff to fix it. It's not worth it to them to take the trouble. Well, they don't have the staff for it. It's not what they do. They're just sellers. These are brokers that go and sell businesses. So they don't have the team. We actually have the team to actually fix the business. So that's one of the main. major distinctives is that companies that are in that phase of not trying to figure out how to transition when they come to us, we say, all right, here's what your company is probably worth, but here's what we think we could make it worth. That's a completely different conversation.

I think of like a house, right? Like you come in and somebody's like, nobody's lived there in two years and it's like, well, you know, if you mow the lawn, you can get a lot more money for it. Well, think about your agent. Think about your agent when you're, that's a great example. if you brought an agent to your house and said, what could I get for it right now? Yeah. You don't have an agent that says, I will take care of fixing your house for you. Yeah. And then we'll sell it and I will make a little with you as I said.

No one does that. The agents just, and it's nothing wrong. It's just their model isn't to say, hey, I'll partner with you and grow it and help you exit for more. They just say, well, you should do this, you should do that, you should do that. And if you're lucky, they'll refer you to something. If you're lucky, they'll have a list of like, well, you could maybe call this person or you could call that person. But what we do is we actually can partner with those companies.

So we do sales where we actually don't do the renovation. That's not required in our transactions. But a lot of times, they're not quite ready to go. And their financials need to be cleaned up. They need to have operational systems put in place. Even just putting in ERP systems and CRMs, systems for running enterprise management and customer tracking, we deploy that. All of a sudden, the buyer knows, oh, they've got systems, they've got data, they've got analytics on this. They know who they are. They know what they're doing.

Otherwise, they look at it and go, well, they don't have a this. They don't have a that. They don't have a this. Oh, well, they do a discount. Right. So it's not just owner dependence. It's they look at all the work they're going to have to do to try to flip it or how to do it themselves to get the right value out of it. Did you find yourself just because of your interest, getting, getting, you know, becoming an expert on this? I mean, because you've done a number of business. But I'm just fascinated how you kind of look at this globally. You're not just looking at your businesses. Now you're transferring your skills to other.

When I started, I did startups back about eight years ago, what I was annoyed with myself is that I was in the middle of a software startup. And I didn't understand how the startup world worked. So I was behind the eight ball. So all these things I was learning about the funding, the growth and what people are looking for. I remember we were trying to raise like one and a half million dollars. Nobody wants to give you one and a half million dollars if you're a startup. They either want to give you 100,000 to 200,000, or they want to give you 10 million. Because the people that are going to give you millions, the amount of effort they have to put into,

it's not worth their time. So we thought we were like, well, let's just not ask for too much. We should have asked for more because that way we got the, I needed to know that ahead of time. So I got burned by that, and I committed to, in business, developing what I would call, I call internally the reach muscle, where we're always venturing into something a little bit unfamiliar, but not getting totally over our skis. So once we had a variety of companies, and we sold out of them this last year, which we've talked about, and we've left, and we just, we love what we've done, but we were looking to do something new. I wanted to do this kind of stuff.

This is it. So I got really focused on, what's the landscape? who's buying companies, who's selling companies, and how does this world work? And so that's, I think, where we provide a little bit of unique value is that these small business owners, and I've been there, this is why I want to help, is those lessons of, why didn't someone tell me this? And a lot of times it's because when you're successful, no one wants to share, and I get why, but they don't want to share what made them successful.

And when you fail, very few jump online and write up a post more. them. Right. So what I found is that I just in kind of the way I'm wired, I wanted to share with people what I learned so that they don't have to go through it. That just was a way I was focused. So people can come to the Talbot Group to learn from your failures. This is, absolutely. But seriously, no, but actually it's kind of funny, but it's true, right? Absolutely. This is absolutely in our sweet spot. This is because it's what we love to do. And we've done it a few days. Well, look, and you've had enough success.

You've had so much success that it's embarrassing to me. And I don't even share in this success. It's silly. But you guys have been so successful. But look, you have the relief factor is an insane level of success. I saw that. Okay, I want to tell people, if you're interested, you want to go to 866 Talbot, T-A-L-B-O-T-T-T, or go to Talbot group. That's on the Internet.

Talbot group. We would love to hear from that. I'll give them, we can talk and see if we can be of help. So you really are friendly. You're not just playing friendly. At least one of the two of us is. I know that. We love it.

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So at the top of the list, to be honest with you, is my new friend who's the head of Inspire Investing. Robert Netsley is on right now. Robert, welcome back. It is my pleasure. Thanks for having me, Eric. Now, there are going to be people who are going to say, what is Inspire Investing.

So give us the pitch on what it is that you guys do before we have our conversation. Yeah, we're a faith-based investment firm. We manage about $2 billion of assets, and essentially we help people to, align investments with companies that are making the world a better place, blessing their customers, their communities, their workforce, instead of creating things and selling things that, you know, kill people, hurt communities.

All right. So let me, let me do, since I'm not the CEO of Inspireinvesting.com, I can put it more bluntly. Tons of you folks listening have stock portfolios, whatever it is, and these companies are supporting planned parenthood. Let's just stop there. They are doing evil things and you're making money off of that. You should have a moral problem with that. What can I do? Well, probably nothing. Until now, Inspiringinvesting.com can help you take your money out of organizations and away from companies that are using it to do things that you know are evil. There you go. Okay, now Robert Netsley, CEO of Inspire Investors,

Do we want to talk about Smuckers right now? There's a company that I've never invested in Smuckers, but I've eaten a lot of their products. Yeah, you know, and it's kind of a sad story. My grandpa spent his whole career working to Smuckers. He was a VP, he was on their board of directors. He's personal friends with Paul Smucker. Actually got to take a tour behind the Iron Curtain.

Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, he was personal friends with Paul Smucker. He was. He grew up in Ohio. Those of us, you know, when you go. You grow up in America, you don't imagine that there's a guy named Paul Smucker. You just think Smucker is one of those brand names. It's kind of like the Chrysler building. Nobody thinks, let's throw rocks at the Chrysler building until old man Chrysler comes out and tells us to get off his lawn.

You know, like you don't expect. Yeah, five generations, five generations of family leadership. So Mark Smucker is the current CEO. Paul was his grandpa. And anyway, phenomenal company historically really espousing wholesome family values. It's really what they were founded on. Real quick story. My grandpa went in on a Friday afternoon to Paul Smucker's office.

He was called in and he tells my grandpa, hey, Vern, we're fixing to open up the first warehouse west of the Mississippi. We need someone with those wholesome Midwest valleys we can trust to take the smucker's name out there. We want you to be the man. No pressure, but we need an answer by Monday. So that's how our family ended up on the West Coast. And sadly, Mark Smucker, the current CEO and his executives have just in the past year decided to get in bed with the HRC to sign on to the Business Coalition to support the Equality Act. to make a concerted decision to abandon wholesome family values. Okay, wait.

What is the HRC? Human rights campaign. Okay. So we've got to understand, ladies and gentlemen, as you know on this program, I'm a Christian, we're supposed to love everybody, but it doesn't mean we're supposed to agree with everybody. And the human rights campaign, these are, I mean, I have a number of gay friends who radically disagree with the activism.

the LGBTQ Marxist activism of the human rights campaign. So now you find out, oh, every time I buy smuckers, they're in bed now because they think it's the right thing to do, or somebody pressured them into it, to working with the human rights campaign, the Equality Act, which is demonizing Bible-believing Christians. Now, you don't have to be a Bible-believing Christian, but you think it's okay that they're demonized for their values. If you do, you're working for evil, just saying, since we don't have a lot of time. So what do we do about this? Well, we've put up a petition to let smuggers know this is a problem.

They think that it's because all the competitors are doing it, this is a good idea for them, too. They're totally trashing their brand. So if you go to inspireinvesting.com slash smuckers, you can put your name on the petition, send an email directly to smuckers. We've been having conversations with their executive management for weeks and a couple months now. and they need to hear. I'm telling you they need to hear from people who have a different opinion. I ask people on this program many times to do things.

Folks, this is something I'm asking you to do. Go to inspireinvesting.com. You can spell that. Inspiringinvesting.com slash forward slash smuckers and sign the petition. These are important things. We got to understand the price of freedom. You have to do things. You can't just say, I'm just here, everything's cool.

It's not cool. There's entropy. Second law of thermodynamics. If you do not work to keep freedom and to do what is right, it goes away. And this is a perfect example. Smuckers, a company that's been a wonderful company all this time, they are bowing to the pressure of effectively cultural Marxists at the Human Rights Campaign. And you have to say to them, listen, you can do what you wants a free country.

But I want you to know I disagree with you, and I probably will never buy smuckers again unless you reverse that decision. Right. Yeah, and as investors, we've seen, by God's grace, some phenomenal success stories. Companies can and do change their policies when they hear from us. The problem is not hearing from us. They hear from the radical leftist, you know, militant, LGBT activists and others who just, you know, paint a totally false picture of their constituents. But too often they don't hear from those with conservative values, those with any sort of faith. And think of the irony. Conservatives, you're not supposed to be lazy. It's kind of funny, right?

So please go to inspireinvesting.com forward slash smuckers, sign the petition. Folks, please do it. Do the right thing. If we all would do a little bit, just a little bit every day, we'll change the world. I want to say, Robert Nestle, we want to keep you on for a little bit. Continue the conversation. Hang on.

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Boisey is way on the other side of the Mississippi River, so very close. I can see how people would make that mistake, but it's not Joisy, it's Boise, Boise, Idaho. Okay, so Inspireinvesting.com, We've talked before. You allow people to see whether how they're investing their stocks, their portfolios, if that's helping the values they believe in or harming the values that they believe in. You just were talking about how a brand, last time we spoke about smuckers, how they are making a very, very, very bad decision, a harmful decision with regard to religious liberty, with regard to many things.

And this is Smuckers, just the name and the brand. They're kind of, you know, most people would just assume Smuckers is it's one of those American brands we can trust. So tell us briefly, again, what's going on with them. Well, yeah. I mean, so with the name of Smuckers, it has to be good, right? Well, it's unfortunately becoming with a name like Smuckers, it has to be woke. My Pop-Tarks tasted like cultural Marxism the other day. Just something's changed, and what's happened is,

120 years of wholesome family values, they built their brand on. The Smucker's brand is synonymous with wholesome family Midwest values run by five generations of Smucker's leadership in the Smucker's family. The current CEO, Mark Smucker, has made a decision in the past year to get in bed at the HRC human rights campaigns. These are radical, militant, extremist, LGBT activists, social Marxism, and to support this business coalition for the equality. Act, which gives carte blanche to companies to discriminate against people of faith if you just

happen to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, no matter what your faith, or even lack of faith. You can't believe that. You can't talk about it. You could be discriminated against harassed, fired. And they're supporting this. And we've been talking to them for a few months, engaged in dialogue, and it's come to the point where they need to hear from people like you and me, people who buy their products,

people who invest in their stock. and let them know that, you know, we care about this issue and we don't like the decision. I'm going to talk about this all day long. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to tell you, if you do not step up, this is the key. There are, for lack of a better term, culturally Marxist forces. They don't believe in freedom. They certainly don't believe in religious liberty. If you have conservative biblical values, they don't only disagree with you.

It's their right in America to disagree. but they are demonizing you. They're trying to harm you. And they're using fearful, cowardly corporate executives to push forward their agenda. So they go to somebody like Mark Smucker, and they somehow convince him that if he wants to be on the right side of history, you know, he has to, I don't know, embrace the corpse of Joseph Stalin, for example. He has to do something that he doesn't, maybe doesn't want to do, but hey, if you want to be the right side of history, you know, come on, kiss, Kiss Lennon's corpse. At least do that. It's right there in Red Square. Go ahead. And unless you register your views on this, unless you do something about it, these things march forward. So doing nothing means that, you know, who was it? Is it Burke or somebody who said that, you know, all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good.

good men to do nothing. And so if you think of yourself as good, let me encourage you to go to inspireinvesting.com, inspireinvesting.com, and sign the petition to let Mark Smucker know that what he is doing is wrong on every level. It's fundamentally un-American. It's against religious liberty. He doesn't either understand this or he doesn't care. He needs to be made to care. So don't be a smuck. Check it out, inspireinvesting.com forward slash smuckers. What else do we need to know, Mr. Robert Netsley, of Inspire Investing? Well, and, you know, Smokers is the current company that we're engaged with.

There's obviously a lot of other companies that need to hear from us. As investors, I think people oftentimes don't realize what you're profiting from. You know, in your mutual fund, in your ETF, you know, in your 401k IRA, there's real companies doing real business. They're selling abortion drugs. They're selling pornography. They're violating human trafficking issues in their supply chains. They're doing things like smuggers, you know, signing on to the business coalition for the Equality Act and discriminating against people of faith. And, you know, we can't just be oblivious to these things.

You know, it's not okay for me to make money. If I'm pro-life, I should not be making money when a lady goes to Planned Parenthood and has an abortion because that pill, I own the manufacturer. You know, that shouldn't happen. But, I mean, there are Christians listening to this program who have millions invested, millions invested. And I wonder if they realize this kind of stuff. But folks, it doesn't matter what you have invested. Your 401K, whatever it is, go to inspireinvesting.com. And you can see there the way out of this. You know, Mark, look, I'm calling you Mark. Sorry, Robert, you, what you've done here, and I said this the last time you were on, this is huge. Because. the money and the power that's represented by people who have our values and we're doing nothing with it. If you don't take this kind of action, folks, the folks who are, they are activists, they're working 24-7 to shut down your point of view, not just to win so that their point

of view has a say, but so that no one in corporate America can succeed if they have your point of you. That's wrong. And if you don't care about yourself, if you're ready to go to Jesus and you just don't care if it all burns, don't be selfish. Think about the people who have to deal with this. I think there's bad theology in inaction. We need to take steps. Inspireinvesting.com. The smuckers thing is huge. The least we can do is go to inspireinvesting.com and sign the petition to let smuckers know that there are tons of people like us who we actually believe in religious liberty. It doesn't have to do just with sexuality. It's just religious liberty. This is so terrific, Robert, we're out of time, but I want to thank you for your leadership. This is a brilliant idea. You know how enthusiastic I am.

We want to have you back on at least once a month to talk about this. So folks, once again, please go to inspireinvesting.com. Check out what they have there. This is really spectacular. Robert, thank you so much. Hey, my pleasure. Appreciate it. Holy cow. Albin, can I say, holy cow on this program?

What a show. I want to say that the conversation that I've been having with James O'Keefe of Veritas, is it forum? What is it? No.

Yeah. Project. Vertis Project. It is it's one of the most important interviews that I have ever done on this program. So folks, hour one aired today. I'm sorry, hour one aired Thursday. Hour two airs Friday. You can watch the video. We filmed it at the TBN studio. The best way for you to get those videos, as I say, is sign up for the newsletter, Eric Mataxis.com. I, if ever there were a time,

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anyone you know out there who maybe is losing hope. They're discouraged. That's part of why we do this program to be an encouragement in various ways. But I really do think you can help us and you can help your friends by sharing some of these videos. But this conversation with James O'Kee, I mean, my goodness. You'll see. I mean, you'll see. What can I tell you? But Eric Metaxis.com sent it for the newsletter.

Albin also, sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I was just going to say, he signed my box of Lucky Charms. If you want to know what that's all about. If you put in James O'Keefe Lucky Charms, you'll see the original video, how he got Lucky Charms to be removed from, I think, the Rutgers cafeteria, because he said, hey, I'm of Irish descent.

And do you think they're lucky? The potato famine? over here in America, they were discriminated against? Is that you imagine that this guy when he was in college, if you want to understand like kind of how amazing he is, he already was, he already had this sensibility, challenging the authorities and playing this, you know, mocking the political correctness of his time already when he was in college at Rutgers. So I just, I can't say enough about him.

We've really had some important interviews. We are going to, by the way, many people who listen to this program on the radio only get the first hour. I want to say to you, folks, we do two hours every single day. You can get both hours most easily by going to Eric Metaxus.com signing up for the newsletter. You can also go to Metaxus talk.com. And, Albin, we get a question every now and again, people write to us and they say, we love your bumper music. If you listen to this on the radio or as a podcast,

guest, you're getting, you know, the bumper music is a lot of my favorite music. People say, how can I find that music? So, Alvin, we have an answer for these people, don't we? We do, we do. You go to the website and there's a little thing that says features. You drop down that menu. It says music heard on the show. So go to the website, metaxis talk.com. The radio website, metaxis talk.com. So if you go there, folks, and you go to features, all the music can be yours. And some of it, honestly, it's just, most of it makes me happy. So, so go to metaxisystalk.com. There's other stuff there. You can link to shop metaxis. There's just a lot of stuff. So we want to encourage you to go there. And we want to remind you again to go to my pillow.com and my store.com

and Nutrimetics.com. And use the code, Eric, if you want to support this program, you want to support are our sponsors. We are, most of my books are at my store.com and the Bonhofer posters are to die for. I think we'll leave it at that. Okay, thank you.