The Eric Metaxas Show - Tim Barton

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

Tim Barton, president of Wallbuilders joins Eric from NRB with a new book The American Story: The Beginnings

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you know when you're watching a good movie, how it's going to end up because of things you see during the movie. and you know that guy cannot die. You know, if the director's any good and is telling a true story, what happened to us in the last four years, the hell that we've been through, and to have Donald Trump rise from the ashes by the grace of God and because of the prayers of the saints.

Flat out, we've got to say it, folks, because millions of Americans have prayed and prayed and prayed, not just through the decades, but particularly recently. When you saw Trump survive, that assassination attempt. It was God's heavy-handed way deliberately to show America, okay, do you get it now? Apart from me, he's dead, but he's not dead. He turned his head. I have called him to live and to you, I want to use him for my purposes in history. That seems clear to me. So we still have a war. We're fighting a war, but God has given us a clear mandate that that he wants,

us to win, and I don't mean win for us, for God's purposes in history. I see that happening. I see revival happening, and I see things happening in this country. Should have been happening for 60 plus years. Haven't been happening. They're happening now. Yes, absolutely. And let's talk about prayer first. I used to hear it all the time. I don't hear it as much anymore, but before the election, people I've run into people. Mike, you said from the White House that time in the Rose Garden, you said, God's giving us grace for such a time as this. And they said, this doesn't feel like grace, all this horrible things going on. And I said, you know what? Oh, but it is, I said. And I said, and my prayers didn't get answered. And I prayed this and I prayed that. And I go, you know what?

I used to have those prayers too when I'd be in jail or whatever. Those were reactionary prayers. Whatever it is you're praying about might not be God's will or God's timing. And I would tell these to these people and I say where is God's will? God's will is in the word. So I tell people, get in the word, stay in the word every day, read your Bibles, and you can be proactive in prayer, and they line up beautifully and you get a piece about you that, hey, God's using all those things. And the timing you can look back now like we did during the show, you look back and say, well, if this hadn't happened, if this hadn't happened, if this hadn't happened, we wouldn't be, have all these tools to make our choices going forward at such a time.

is this. And everybody right now, you know, I encourage everybody, get in prayer, stay in prayer, proactive prayer. But one of the things we have to do going forward, and we have it, we have it all laid out for everybody. If you want to talk about our election platforms, that's Lindelplan.com. You go there, it's laid out from the ground up. All the stuff we did for four years wasn't just to help get Donald Trump elected, is to help to secure our nation and our elections for to be the shining star of the world, not to be the worst in the history of the world. And

you know, one of the things we have now, Eric, that we didn't have then, is our voice. Our voice, when we said earlier in the show that our voice was almost out forever on January 7th and 8th. We'd have been like Ronald Reagan said, when the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere. That light

almost went out and it came back strong. Look, there's no doubt about it. And we live through that. And I I remember, I mean, when the election was stolen, for example, I remember the day after, like, you know, you got to shake your head sometimes. You go, wait a minute, wait a minute. Something's weird. Like this, this doesn't look right.

I mean, because none of us has ever lived through anything like this. A stolen election, that doesn't happen in America. That's crazy. And I thought to myself, well, it looks stolen. And we need to get to the bottom of it. And we need to stand firm, stand tall. You did taller than anybody. I tried.

You know, I hosted this thing called the Jericho March. I mean, I didn't host it. I was the MC. But I just thought we've got to do whatever we can do. That's right. And the amount of vilification and attacks, unbelievable. But sometimes you think, I have no choice. I've got to stand because there are millions of people that may be looking to me for a little

hope or a little whatever, I've got to stand for them. I've got to stand, but God's given me a platform, and I realized at the time, I have no choice. I've just got to stand and just trust the Lord. I mean, what else can I do? And obviously, we did by God's grace. And it was tough and in many ways continues to be tough. But what choice do you have? I mean, what choice do you have? When you know right and wrong, how are you going to just say, well, I don't want to be involved. A lot of people have And listen, Mike, you have to be amazed that Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, to this day, they are going along with the false narrative. I mean, just like CNN, just like MSNBC. But Fox News and the Wall Street Journal, all the mainstream media, it seems, has adopted this huge lie that Trump lost the 2020 election.

It was not stolen. There's no evidence. They still are believing. stuff and promoting this stuff, never talking about the vile evil of J6, of what happened there. But I think, and I'm sure you do, slowly this is getting out. Every day more is getting out. Absolutely. And it'll come to a head.

You know, everybody always asks me, Mike, whatever happened to those billion-dollar lawsuits that you were served? You know what? It hasn't even got to summary judgment. I got served if everybody seen the news a week ago. Mike Lindell held in contempt of court. This was in, I won't even name the machine companies, one of the machines. companies. I used to say what rhymes with whatever. My lawyer would say quit the end up, blah, blah, blah.

But remember, law fair started on February 4th of 2021 when the first machine company sued Fox News. And when that happened, everybody, all your media like Fox News and Newsmax, they went silent. So they became weather channels that would not tell you about hurricanes or tornadoes coming. If you're not talking about the past there, how do you even get through into the press? present. And my lawsuits right now, you know, they came out and sued my pillow, my employee-owned company. And Eric, these might get done in the year 20, 20, 28. Who knows? But it was just to completely drain Mike Lindell of every resource that maybe, maybe if we just attack him and we don't have, you know, they probably wish that now that they would have killed me back then, but they said, you know,

let's just ruin him, take away all his money, and maybe he'll shut up. The media lately has, but when they call me, usually they don't call me anymore because I filibust them. I'll talk for two hours and they, you know, no, you're not getting off this phone. I'm going to tell you, you know. But they sit there and they'll call me and they'll say, Mike, do you have regrets?

Don't you wish now you're penniless? You've spent all your money, borrowed millions to help the country with these stuff. And they say, if you could do it again, would you not, you know, speak out like you did? And I said, absolutely not. Because I can't, if everybody knew what I knew and seen what I've seen, you would do the same thing because we have nothing.

God's got us on this path and everybody out there has choices and to sit by now and say, well, a great presence and he's going to take care of everything. No, we were within a little dot of being gone forever of this life being out. God's given us, though, it's the most amazing grace for right now the best time in history to be alive, I've said it many times. So everybody just enjoy where we're at. get people this would be the time to show these miracles. If you're a pastor out there and you can't get people to the Lord now, you've got problems.

There's miracles that they've seen out there. I mean, you're in the wrong business. You should be out there evangelized. You should be out there. This is the time, it's the best time to be alive. And I'm saying that from the worst time where I'm being attacked and worrying every day about this, but I put all the worry on to the Lord and say, you know, okay, I'm still here and we're still going strong. Listen, we're living through history, Mike.

You know it and I know it. And we feel privileged that we get to play some part. It feels like a huge privilege to get to play a part in things that matter gigantically. This is for the whole world, folks. We're not in Belgium. This is the United States of America. God created this country for his purposes in history. And every single one of us can play a part.

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And then you had something you want to talk about, about the IRS. So I thought, since you have the time, let me ask you to keep going. Yeah, let's, we'll bring this up. The, this can affect maybe a third of the country, maybe a half, I'm not sure yet. But let's go back in time. If everyone remembers in 2020, I actually had a supplement that would have opened up the country and just like Ivermectin and other things. And I put $10 million into it. And the FDA and the big pharma, they stopped it here in the U.S.

So I tried to get it to Israel. They turned the ships around. Tried to get it to the Philippines. They turned the ships wrong. Tried to get it with my good friend, President Bolsonaro in Brazil, up and down the Amazon for the churches. Then they turned the ships around. So all that got outdated, went to waste. That's just one thing.

So the IRS, they said, no, you can't take that deduction that year. So they started an audit of that year and told me I couldn't take that deduction. But now, wait, wait, wait, why would you not be able to take that? has a huge loss. They said they wanted, they, they're making me do it in the year 20, 23, because the company I went dealing with, that's when they went under. My stuff that might be part of it was, I kept it all the stuff in a warehouse. It got outdated in 2020.

So I'm going, I spent all my money. This was cash. I lost it all other than I do it again because it saved a lot of lives. And it kept my pillow open because we never got, we never got the virus and stuff. So it kept us open. But now take things. into effect, because here's how that affected now. There was something called employee retention credits.

So in 22 and 23, my pillow was approached and said, hey, by the third part and said, you know, there's checks out there from our government that if you stayed open during the virus, you know, and kept employees and kept going, you got these checks. So we get these checks in 22 and 23. Now, fast forward, another year goes by. and the IRS comes to me after Biden left and he says, oh, there's a law put in. You need to report that income back in 2020.

So here's the ramifications of that, everybody. You've got to redo anyone that stayed open during that and got these checks. Some of them are still getting them in 24. Now you have to, according to the government, you would have to go back and redo your tax returns for every year, 2020, 21, 22, 23, 24, all the way up. And here's the bad part. All of your employees that had stock in the company, like my pillow, it's a employee-owned company, they would have to pay taxes, Eric, on money they never received until 23. So going back in time, for example, I have one employee, he gets a bill for

$20-some thousand dollars. And I'm going, what? Well, obviously, we're fighting this at every level. I'm with the Treasury Department, which I've reached out and have connected with them. They said it's the biggest mess they've ever seen. What it would take, imagine every company in this country that stayed open, redoing their tax returns, paying taxes on money they didn't receive until 22 or 23. And in my pillow's case, we lost millions of dollars those two years because of the attacks, millions, tens of millions. So employees that would have to pay taxes on money they didn't receive in 2020, and then here they would never get credit for it because it was absorbed in losses in 23 and 22 and 23.

It's bizarre beyond anything. So obviously we told the IRS, I'm glad you picked me. I said, no one's going to do this. No one. And they said, oh, but Mike, you are. These are these evil IRS people. Oh, but you are. And I said, good.

I would love to be the chip for the spirit. because this is the most nonsensical thing in probably history of IRS. I'm sure there's been worse, but this is bizarre. You'd have to have an army of IRS guys. Everyone in a third of the country, can you imagine redoing all your tax returns and paying money on money you never received then? It's bizarre. You can't even make this up.

And so this has been going on now, that part for over a year. The whole audit's been over three years, four years now, going on four years. they're just, it's a constant attack going, well, you guys, you want to, you want to audit all my losses? The attack, I mean, one of the thing I want to say, just to frame this for my audience, is that you are fighting for the whole country. In other words, God has given you tremendous gifts as a businessman, as a thinker, as a fighter, and you're fighting for the whole country on every one of these things we're talking about. You're out there out front. And I guess it reminds me to say to my audience that you're right now, because you said this off the air, but you didn't say it on the air, what you're going through right now, what your company is going through right now, with all the attacks you've had in the past, this is the worst.

They are trying, they are still trying to take you out. And it's why you are cleverly saying we're going to have this crazy sale. but it's also about the survival of my pillow. And it's the survival of you. And so that's one of the things I wanted to say to my audience, folks, even if you don't need sheets or towels, now would be a good time to buy them to help Mike. And Mike's not going to put it that way, but I'm going to put it that way.

This is incredible. It's so evil. And you know, Mike, again, I was saying I'm writing a book about the American Revolution. Honestly, this is at every point in history, when Washington and his soldiers were suffering hell in Valley Forge, there were hundreds of thousands of Americans, millions, actually only three million in the colonies, who didn't give a damn, who didn't give a damn, that those people are fighting for you, and they didn't care, and Congress didn't care.

Congress was not paying them. And we always go through this, that there are a few. that are fighting. And so, folks, I say this to you, don't be those who don't give a damn, be part of the fight in your own way. And today, specifically, going to my store.com, my pillow.com, use the code, Eric. But this is, you know, Mike, because what you just shared off the air a moment ago, I want my audience to understand, you're in it right now. You're in it right now fighting for your life, for your company's life, because wicked forces hate you just the same way they hate Donald Trump. Why? Because they, they, they, they,

hate America. They hate we the people. And if they can take you out, they can take others. I mean, this is real, folks. You know me. I'm not blown smoke. This is real. Mike, you know, you just said it, that they're trying now harder than ever. I mean, I don't know

if you gave me the specifics on how it's different right now. Well, it's different right now. Like I say, they've even went after my foundation and my recovery network. They're coming out from every angle, but especially my pillow. You know, we've been

debanked, deep platform, de-merchant server, you name it, it's happened to my pillow. But when the box stores, remember the box stores, that they're attacking them, this is media bots and trolls. This isn't the real public out there. That's the, and it's a very,

why have they turned up the attacks? They've turned it up because they don't want me to get our elections secure. That's what I stand for. You know, when, yes, do I like it that our greatest president in history got in on November 5th? Absolutely. But I've said it many times. That's not the, you know, remember when Jimmy Campbell said to me on air back then, I don't know if I was inside the claw machine or outside the claw machine, but he said, Mike, if your friend Donald Trump had got in and selected like you say Biden was, would you still be sounding the alarm?

And I said, absolutely I would. I would never back down. So what the media is doing now, they're not, they're attacking me on other things. They're not out there saying, hey, Mike still wants to secure our election. What? You know, boy, you know, aren't they secure now that Donald Trump won? No, they're not, everybody. We can't let this be in vain.

I promised our president that this would not be in vain, that we will not stop fighting until we get to the most secure elections in modern history, in the history of the world. That's what we're going to get to, and we won't stop until then. And that's what they're afraid of. That's why they've turned up their attacks on my pillow. Erica, a day doesn't go by where I don't get something canceled or something, or credit squished or, you know, wake it up every morning and going, you know, employees going,

hey, are we going to make it another day? And I'm going, yes, by God's grace, we will make it another day. And it's been horrible as far as that's concerned. But every day I got to stay in prayer and give it to God. And having, you know, I want to thank your audience and thank you, everybody having my pillows back. Because to me, if we ended up complete collapse, then they're going to say they won. And I'd be silenced out there, you know, and what I've done, and even my company, I set up lindelTV.com, everybody. So I have my own voice.

I have vocal social, my own social media platform. They've attacked that, Eric. I mean, they've attacked that, where, you know, or suppress the news on that. that. And, you know, and I've got other people over there. Rudy Giuliani, he's over there. I've got Emerald Robinson, all these people over there. And to keep expanding our voice, and they just attack, attack, attack. I was going to say, I can't keep up. So I just want to say thank you on behalf of the rest of America and the world. Mike Lindell, my friend, privileged to call you, friend. Thanks for everything you do. The Lord is with you. And I'm just glad we get to hear the story today.

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MyPillow.com promo code Eric or call 800-978-3057 to order now. Mypillow.com. Ladies and gentlemen, I am in Dallas, and most of you are not. But don't worry, because you can hear me through radio technology. It's existed since Marconi. It's very, very exciting. You can hear everything I say and what my guests say. For example, right now I'm sitting here with Tim Barton, who is, what are you,

the president of Wall Builders? Yes, sir. And your father, of course, David Barton, who is still your father. He still identifies as your father. But you guys have created this thing called wall builders. And it says on the book, because I want to get this right, you're dedicated to presenting America's forgotten history and heroes with an emphasis on the moral, religious, and constitutional foundation on which America was built. You guys are heroes. Your heroes, period.

Your heroes to me, what you've been doing over the decades now is vitally important to restore. Western civilization. So thank you for all you've been doing. Thank you. People can find you at wallbuilders.com. Yes, sir. All right. So the book, Tim Barton, that I have in front of me, The American Story Building the Republic. What is this about? When did this come out? Last year. Okay. So it's a new book. And what is the gist of it? Well, this is part two. We started with the American story at the beginnings, and we went from Columbus through the Constitution. And part of the idea was trying to recover some of the

heroes that have been villainized from Columbus to Washington to Jefferson, but we recognize that most Americans in the modern academic education system are not being told the story at all. We're memorizing dates and dead people, but we don't know the story. You tell Columbus, is he the monster that deliberately infected people with stuff and wiped out indigenous populations? He did that. I believe he did that deliberately. Am I getting that wrong? Well, a little before German theory was known and accepted, right? So it, it was, Oh, that's an excuse. Yeah. So you, I mean, don't let me keep interrupting you because I'll just say stupid things. But it's so amazing how we have to fight this lunacy. It is. It's crazy. Well, and we only fight it because people don't know the story anymore. Because when people talk about Columbus villainized or ravaged or enslaved and all the things he's accused of it, you can ask a very simple question of, which which voice did he do that on it? And they go, well, the one he came to America. And I'm like, right. Which voyage was that?

He came four times. Right. When did he do what Anthony Fauci did? Tell me, Tell me when. When did he kill millions of people? Tell me. Yeah. How did that happen? How did that go? And did he profit off of the vaccine?

Oh, Columbus did not. No, he didn't. See, that's interesting. I never heard about this. Okay, so in the new book, the American story, building the Republic. Where do you start? You start in 1787, I assume. Yes, we pick up from the Constitutional invention, from George Washington, and then we go

through the first seven presidents, really telling their story, telling what's happening in America during their life. And part of what we have tried to do at wall builders is reintroduce people to the heroes, but not do it in the modern academic sense. Maybe following more a biblical approach where when you learn about King David, right, you learn the good, the bad, the ugly, but you learn the story. And if it was in a modern academic setting, somebody would say, okay, in what year did David kill Goliath? And we're like, I don't know. In what year? Yeah, that's actually, that's kind of funny.

That makes me want to like make up a quiz for people and just to see how they respond. We can guess roughly when it was, but we certainly don't know the year. No, and our point would be what we've done academically, we've divorced the story from the main point of what should be there, where if you read the Bible, we don't know what year did Moses cross the Red Sea, what year did Joshua fight the Battle of Jericho and the walls came down, or David to kill the life, because it wasn't the point of the story. And in modern academia, we have emphasized the far less significant details. we have left out the point of the story. And even as you go through this, where we are today with even the idea of tariffs, you know, James Monroe was the guy who introduced a lot of the idea of tariffs. He's the one that pays down the debt.

Andrew Jackson is the one that gets a credit for being the first president. What was he? Our fifth or a seventh president? Monroe is the fifth. Yes, sir. Okay. And then you have John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson. Okay.

And what's also interesting, Andrew Jackson is the guy who fundamentally changes kind of the operation and direction of the nation. The old adage to the victor go the spoils when he got in, he actually had been a senator from Tennessee. And when he was encouraged to run for president, he said, I would not be a good president. He's not, I'm a good commander. I can lead men into battle and war. But politics is not for me.

Well, he took his general ideas with him into the White House. And he began appointing all of his supporters to different cabinet positions. He's the one that made the postal service a cabinet level position, but he authorized the postmaster to be able to deliver or censor whatever mail he wanted. And so you have the growing abolition movement happening. Wow. And literally, the postmaster general is telling people you don't have to deliver abolitionist material. You don't have to deliver abolitionist newspaper.

And it's just one of the interesting things we know to be true historically. It's also one of the things the Bible tells us that there's nothing new under the sun. What has been will be again. And as we look back historically, it's just so interesting how much of what we are now. navigating today, it's not a brand new idea today. It's that we don't know the story of what used to be of what happened before and even some of the lessons we could learn of why it's a problem for things like what Andrew Jackson did and should stay away from it. And yet that's what we've seen, the weaponization of big tech of so many of these things. Literally, that's the kind of stuff he did. And that's, we go into depth and tell a lot of the stories introducing where they had some really strong, successful moments and also where they had some flaws. Again, trying to follow that Bible narrative. But we go from the Constitution through Andrew Jackson, and we're working on several volumes after this as well.

Okay, so let's see if I can remember. I have a bad cold. So we have Washington has two terms. Adams has one term. Jefferson has two terms. See? I knew I would mess up. We have... Madison? No, that's not right.

Just kidding. It's Madison. Then we have Monroe. Monroe. and then Jackson? Within John Quincy Adams. Sorry. John Quincy,

Adams and Andrew Jackson, these are like Revolutionary War figures. They were around when it was all going down, and they're the sixth and seventh president. And John Quincy just had one term. Correct. Which is itself amazing.

We're going to a break. I'm talking to the author of the American story, building the republic, and the head of wall builders. You should check it out, wallbuilders.com. Talking to Tim Barton,

we'll be right back. Welcome back, folks. I'm in Dallas talking right now to Tim Barton, who's the head of wallbuilders. You need to know about this. What an amazing resource, wallbuilders.com. The new book is The American Story, Building the Republic. So let's get into it more here. We have, I mean, it's always funny to me that we have, we win the war. And in 1783, the Treaty with Paris. And basically, we don't have, we don't have, like really a country or a government. It's a little wild. Right. How they were willing, I mean, not the federalist because Washington and others obviously understood, hey, we better get it together, kids. But it seems to me the main danger in, because you can understand the idea that, you know,

Jefferson and these other, they were kind of like radicals. I mean, I don't know, the radical Whigs was it? I'm trying to think like because there's different groups. But they love this idea of freedom to the point of defining it to where you have no structure because they say structure is like having a monarchy. It's or have it. We don't want a king. But it makes you vulnerable. And so as I gather, the people, you know, starting in 1783, they're saying, listen, we're going to get picked off. Like we got 13 colonies. We're going to like lose a few to the French and to the Spanish and to the England. We can't, we need to be

united. I mean, I assume you go into that in the book. We do. Because also it was under the The Articles of Confederation, which were originally written in 1777, wasn't ratified for several years later. But the whole revolution, they're operating under that idea. And the idea was that we're tired of some tyrant, however far away, giving us order. So we're going to make sure that we don't have to do anything if we don't all agree on it. Well, that sounds great. Right.

But when you can't do a single thing without a unanimous vote every single time. And then part of also under the Articles of Confederation, they had the power to say. say and affirm anything they wanted, but they had no power to enforce anything. That was very big for them. That's the other thing, yeah. Because they didn't want to be able to, again, to have government officials mandating what they had to do. And so, like, during the revolution, Congress had no power to tax, which meant they had

no way to really bring an income. And so they're printing these continentals, but it wasn't worth a continental. There was no value in it. And so they very quickly recognized the flaws. Noah Webster, George Washington, James Madison, many of them begin calling for a new Constitution. And this is where there's some people today that have a cursory level of history that look back and go, now wait a second, right? That part of the fear of there was ever a constitutional convention again, they were supposed to fix the Art of the Federation, and they came

with a brand new constitution. And because we don't know history, sometimes there can be fears that permeate in conspiracies that exist on some level. Yeah. But the reality was the founding fathers knew they had to solve the problems. And they were the most noted founding fathers he said the best way to solve these problems is we need a very different structure in what we have. And what they agreed is that we need to have two thirds, right? So there was nine of the original 13 colonies that had to support what they were doing. It had to be ratified. But back to your point of even what became known as like the Federalists and the Anti-Federalist,

it's so interesting that all of their ideas, John Adams wrote about this, the reason that ultimately they embraced a separation of powers as they did, not just with a unicameral or excuse me a bicameral system of a house and a Senate, but even with the legislative, the executive judicial is he says, because we know the heart of man is wicked and deceitful and no man can trust it. And see, this is what's so fascinating. This is biblical. Yes.

And both sides of it are biblical. And when they come together, you get the United States of America. So it is inescapable that this is a biblical country founded on biblical ideas. You cannot have self-government in the way that we have had for two, and a half centuries, unless you have both of these pieces of the biblical puzzle. Let's say, this is who human beings are, capable of this, and capable of this. And so we need the checks and balances. I mean, it's fascinating that never in the history of the world had anything like this been pulled off. No. I mean, it's stunning. And it's also worth noting, Washington in his verbal address where he identifies

so many great pieces of advice, one of the most significant political addresses ever given by anybody in American history for sure. but when he warns about don't get involved in foreign entanglements, he talks about avoid dead. He talks about love principle more than you love a party because I love a party can drive you the wrong. I mean, so many great pieces of advice. But the one thing that stands out in my mind the most, he says that our political prosperity is built on religion and morality. He said religion and morality are the indispensable supports. Now that means you can't do, you can't exist or you can't politically prosper without religion and morality,

but only once that he says something was indispensable. something was a necessity and it was religion and morality. And it's also where John Adams becomes president the following year. He then the next year writes a letter to the militia of Massachusetts in 1798, where it's four paragraphs. The whole letter is great. But the most famous line is our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people. It's wholly not to the government of any other.

And we are at a unique place today that because of the overturning of the Lemon decision in 2022 with the Coach Kennedy decision, the Lemon decision is what was used so much over the last 50 years. years to restrict any religious activity or expression. And so one of the things that we're seeing this year, there's over a dozen states that are introducing measures to bring the Ten Commandments back to public schools. And this isn't, we're cheering it. This is incredible. Because not only is, is all law and Western civilization based on Ten Commandments, the very moral code, the founding fathers talked about, where you have to have religion and morality. If America's going to work,

we've removed that for the last many decades. And we're at a place, we might can actually restore some of that which is so encouraging. I wrote a book but came out about eight year, nine years ago called If You Can Keep It and it talks,

oh, thank you. I don't know you, you knew about it, but I mean, talks all about this and I really never genuinely understood it until I wrote that book

and I thought, how have I lived this long and not understood how what we have works. It is a miracle that it exists. Yes. It's a miracle. It's existed this long

and we're losing it because once you pull out the morality and you don't, you know, and so I think we're at a point, where things have gotten so bad that there's a hunger for this. So I am frankly hopeful that we can begin to get back to this stuff. Yeah.

And we're seeing, I mean, you have the opportunity to travel. We travel a lot. We're seeing around the nation, God's on the move. People are waking up like never before, you know, one of the many benefits that came out of COVID. Yeah. Is people begin to question things. And we are seeing a growth in a hunger for faith and for answers.

And we know as Christians, the best answers you're going to find for the most significant questions of life come from the Bible. And so we are seeing this incredible growth and resurgence, but part of the opportunities that we have is even to restore some of these basic moral code foundations and the most pivotal places ever like public schools. So there is some good things in the horizon. Oh, yeah.

And if you don't like public schools, go to do homeschooling, do classical schooling. Yes. Because this stuff is way too important, not to teach to our kids. So the new book is the American story, building the republic, authors David Barton and Tim Barton. What is the book previous to this? American story, The Beginning, goes from Columbus up to the Constitution. Okay. So the American story, this is book number two, David Barton, and Tim Barton behind wall builders.

Tim Barton, always very encouraging to speak with you. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you. Folks, welcome back. We're talking about St. Patrick in a few minutes, but I want to trouble you again to join us in the Food for the Poor campaign. some reason, I don't know how these things work.

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