The Eric Metaxas Show - Tim Clinton

Episode Date: November 18, 2021

Tim Clinton nails it with the subject of his new book, "Take It Back: Reclaiming Biblical Manhood for the Sake of Marriage, Family, and Culture." (Encore Presentation)

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Thanks, Alvin. So I'm talking about my piece at stream.org. called how anti-science are materialists. If they saw another Mount Rushmore floating in space, they'd attribute it to evolution. So in this story, I imagine, as I said in our last segment, imagine that science has found an object floating in space, it's shaped exactly like Earth's Mount Rushmore, with all the presidents on it, and it's made out of blue Gorganzollage sheets. What would scientists make of that? Now, you and I know, we would take that as proof of extraterrestrial intelligence.

that somebody on some other world had seen Mount Rushmore and decided to make an object shape like it and send it to us as some kind of message, presumably a friendly, maybe even pro-American message. That is how the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, SETI, works. But in the piece at stream.org, I say, well, you know what? That is not how scientists treat the complexity they find in nature on Earth. when you look at a cell, the simplest bacterium cell on Earth is more complicated than the most developed supercomputer from the most advanced lab on Earth. We, with all our knowledge and all our research and all our intelligence, have not managed to make a computer that is as complex as the simplest one-celled or thing. organism. Yet, yet, atheist scientists, Darwinian materialists, try to convince us that life

originated by purely random chance on Earth, that the elaborate complexity of the simplest cell was created by random luck, just stuff happening. If you, if someone tried to sell you a beach and said, this is a computer factory. Leave it alone, and eventually, the forces of random chance will turn all this silicon on this beach into a functional supercomputer. I don't think you'd buy that factory. And yet, yet, the scientific materialists who dominate the scientific establishment constantly claim that we're just a few steps away from determining how

the first life developed on Earth. But actually, if you look at the science, if you actually read what the scientists say when they meet with each other, when they have their conventions, when they publish their scientific jury reviewed papers, they admit we have absolutely no idea how we went from the dead materials of the primitive earth

to the first most primitive bacteria cell. Because that bacteria cell is, much more complicated than a cell phone. It's much more complicated than the best computers that NASA has. It is elaborate. It is full of little machines that have irreducible complexity, protein machines, enzyme machines, the very replication of DNA and RNA. We have absolutely no way of pointing to how that comes from nature.

It's more likely that if each turns into a computer than that organic matter turns into the elaborate self-replicating mechanism of DNA. So the case for intelligent design, the case for God, creating life in the first place, is overwhelming. Yeah. And absolutely nothing to do with evolution affects it because evolution only starts. Let's assume evolution is true. It only starts once there is life.

Yeah. There's no natural selection of dead chemicals. They don't compete to try to create bacteria. That's not how any of this works. And as Eric talks about it, his book is atheism dead. And I'm reading a lot more fun books like that. There is absolutely no explanation for the creation of life, except a divine intelligence that built the machines of life.

Just the way if we saw Mount Rush. more, we'd assume an intelligence had created it. If we see a machine in nature, we are fooling ourselves if we pretend this is the result of random chance. Yeah, you know, and there's always that question when people say to you like, well, you can't prove God exists. But here's the thing. This God created these microorganisms. He created these billions of universes. I don't have to prove that he exists. If he could do that, he himself can prove that he exists. to you personally. So just open yourself up and say, God, look, if you exist, well, show me. You created all of this, apparently. Why can't you show me that you personally, that I know that

you exist? Because God has shown me personally that he exists, and I believe it, and his son is Jesus Christ, and that's all factual too. And that's the second part of Eric's book is about biblical archaeology pointing to Old Testament stories being true, New Testament stories being true. even the birthplace. You can find anything at all that's been documented in the Bible. We're starting to unearth it now in our time. So all these things are provable. And that's how God will show you as well if you ask him to prove himself to be real. Right. But atheists spend a lot of time trying to close their minds to that possibility, trying to say, no, no, no, there can't be a God. And if there's any evidence, they dismiss it. If they feel any communication from him, they shut it,

down. It would be exactly as if we saw them out Rushmore floating in space towards Earth, made out of cheese. And we said, no, that wasn't made by aliens. Nope, that's superstition. You can't prove the aliens exist. And we don't want to hear any messages from the aliens. If we hear anything, we're going to assume its lies. We're going to close our minds because this is science. And science doesn't look at information. Science doesn't try to make the most reasonable explanation of a bizarre event in nature that we can't explain. No, nature sticks to a very narrow script of predetermined dogma. And if you deviate from that, we're going to get you fired from your job. And we're going to get you silence at your university. It's unbelievable stuff.

And, of course, we're talking about things that you can find right here in, is atheism dead? It really is a hot new seller. And it's one of Eric's very favorite book. So you have to check that out. go, of course, Amazon.com, but you can also go to shopmetaxis.com. You can pick that book up there. It's autograph copies are there as well as the hamster homes, my children's book series from Simon & Schuster. We are out of time, unfortunately, this week, John, we do want to have you back next week for Thanksgiving week as well. Eric will be back as well at that time. And coming up next is a great encore presentation from Tim Clinton. He wrote a book called Take It Back. It's about masculinity. It's about men being men and about taking back all these things which have been,

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Hey there, folks. Manhood. There's a book in front of me right here. It's called Take It Back, reclaiming biblical manhood for the sake of marriage, family, and culture. As you know, manhood is kind of a big issue for me. Why? Because I'm so manly?

No. That's a good guess, though. But that's not it. in the introduction to my book seven men, I lay out in an essay why manhood has been under attack and why it's so important to God. And it's just one of those things that most of you are paying any attention to the culture, understand. It's a huge issue. So I'm particularly thrilled to have my friend, Dr. Tim Clinton on the program. The book is called Take It Back. Tim Clinton, welcome this program.

Eric, delight to be with you, man. I love the way you keep things stirred up, my friend. I try to stir things up. I'm just that kind of a guy, a manly stirrer upper. Hey, seriously, though, whenever I have somebody who's a friend on the program, I forget to say who they are professionally. So I want my audience to know you're not just my friend who wrote a book called Take It Back. You're the president of the American Association of Christian Counselors. You are the co-host of Dr. James Dobson's family talk. Whoa.

You're at Liberty University. You're in Lynchburg, Virginia. And by the way, the forward of this book is somebody that I really value, Daryl Strawberry. So tell us, Tim, Dr. Tim Clinton, take it back, reclaiming biblical manhood. What's it about? Eric, you know there's been such a beat down on men in culture. I mean, basically men are seen as buffoons, idiots, disengaged fathers, horrible husbands, porn addicts, you name it. I got to tell you, that is something that I've noticed for a long time.

So let's talk about why is that? Why is that? Spiritually, I mean, I think I have an answer. But do you have an answer? Because we all see it. We've seen it most of our lives. What is that? You know, Eric, I think if you can take men out of the equation, you can run a pretty unique agenda.

Men, I see men as protectors, as providers, as the walls. Men are supposed to bring boundaries to life. Eric, they're supposed to step up and into the moment. And God made it that way. But if you can take men out, boy, you can pretty much do anything you want. That's what I think is going on. No, I totally agree. I mean, it's interesting because we believe these things are spiritual battles.

They manifest in the culture, but it's a spiritual battle. The enemy is always, you know, he's trying to kill God's chosen. He's trying to upend the system. What is that? I can't remember where it is. It's one of the prophetic books in the Old Testament, but the idea that children and women will lead. In other words, the idea is that men are supposed to lead, but things are going to be so upside down.

In our culture since the 60s, there's been an attack on men, and my attitude is the reason you attack men is because you want to harm the women and children. Men are the protectors, and we even have this bizarre idea that women need to be empowered, so that they don't need a man. And even that's preposterous. Like, it's so ridiculous.

It's like saying defund the police. Like, I can take care of myself. I mean, well, that's a nice idea if you can take care of yourself. But it's also nice to have backup, to have people who have your back. And traditionally, men have been that, whether in the military or in a militia or just in their homes. So when you attack men, you're really attacking those they would protect. I mean, I just want to be clear on that because that's the, if you care of. about women and children, you need to care about men. You know, what's interesting too, Eric, is in the

Bible. You read verses like, the eyes of the Lord run to and fro through the whole earth, looking for a man who's hardest toward him. God wants men to step up and end of the moment. You know that. And if there's ever a time, man, do we need that right now, especially at home. You know, when you look at the research that's out there, you could go up on sites like the National Center for fathering. You'll see this, what, over 90% of Americans believe that a day, that men make a unique contribution in the life of his children, in the life of a son or daughter, that he has that kind of influence.

90%. Yeah, and Eric, look at this. 72% believe this, that the greatest social ill of our day is the absence of dad or godly fathers, is what I'll say, from the home. And when you look at outcome-based research, you'll know this, that when dads are present and emotionally engaged in the life of his children. You're seeing outcomes like they're less resistant to peer pressure.

They do better in terms of dealing with substance abuse. They do better on mental health indexes. They actually score better on cognitive ability tests and more. Eric, it's just, it's there. What's the number one common denominator on death row? No, dad. I mean, I got to tell you, this, It's so interesting because you quote statistics, you say, this is what people believe.

So most people get it. But forget about what people believe. You're telling me the facts bear it out. In other words, whether people believe it or don't, thank God they do. Thank God that people have the common sense that they don't have, that the people writing for the New York Times do not have. But then you're actually citing statistics. And I've seen some of this recently. It's nothing less than astonishing.

If you want to know what is behind most of the social ills, the criminality, everything, it is lack of fathers. I mean, even if you hated the Bible and you hated men, you would still say, well, if I care about crime, this is a way to solve that. It's kind of, isn't it kind of amazing that you have to write a book called Take It Back, Reclaiming Biblical Manhood for the sake of marriage, family, and culture, that we have to argue for what. what's absolutely inevitably going to help people, whether they like this or not? Yeah, Eric, you know, I got a text message from a friend of mine, a psychologist over in the Virginia Beach area. He said, you know, if dads were at home, a lot of those issues that we wrestle with and culture would be gone.

And he's right. You're right. When dad isn't home, Eric, you're seeing kids struggle with their masculinity, their femininity, the girls struggle with it. You're seeing kids who aren't doing well at school. You're seeing kids more susceptible to peer pressure. You're seeing them wrestle with substance and issues. You're seeing them wrestle with mental health issues and more living and growing up in poverty.

You just name it. It's just a list that goes on. It's endless. You would figure that if masculinity is so bad that if dads weren't at home, that the statistics would be the opposite. They're not. They're not. It's clear. It's time we get our head out of the sand.

and admit this. And by the way, challenge people to come back home. What did Mother Teresa say? Hey, if you want to change the world, I think she had this right. Go home and love your family. Let's get back to the family. I wonder if there are any men listening to this driving a truck or something right now that God is speaking to on this. I just want to say, folks, my dad sacrificed a lot.

I know because I was there. I was there. His marriage wasn't fun. Neither was my mother's marriage fun. Sometimes it's tough. But they did it because they knew it was the right thing. And I just want to tell you anything that I ever do in my life is a result of my father's sacrifice. Think of the sacrifices that you make that are paying dividends into the future.

You have no idea who you will bless. If you make that sacrifice, and by the way, you make it with God. You don't, you don't, you're not on your own. God is with you and he wants you to make that sacrifice. But I tell you, when you talk about this, Tim, it just moves me because I'm thinking of people. Then I'm also thinking of the people that if you don't make that sacrifice, if you say, I've had enough, it's really going to hurt people more than just your kids. Your kids are going to hurt other people because of what they're looking for and stuff.

This is, this is so central. I imagine you've had your eyes on this issue for a long time in your career. You know, my dad was the kindest man I've ever known. He was a World War II vet. What did, what were they called the greatest generation ever? That's what Brokaw called them. I think about my dad coming back from World War II. He said he was scared to death over there, but he went over and fought.

You know, he was on the USS Pennsylvania and South Pacific. He said he kissed the ground when he got back stateside. and told God he'd serve him for the rest of his life, Eric, went back, found my mother who he broke up with before he went to the war. She had a ring on her hand, and she took it off when she saw him. But hey, my dad, making a move to say, you know what, for the rest of my life, I'm going to try to be the best man I can be. God, I'm going to serve you with all heart.

You know what? He was a great dad. Anybody can be a father, take somebody special to be a dad. When men step up and into the moment, it matters. Eric, I'm going to the movie Saving Private Ryan. I'm going to that last scene when he's walking out through the cemetery. And he looks over at his wife and he says, tell me, tell me that I was a good man. I know this.

In psychology and counseling, we call it ego integrity versus despair, that last stage of life where you're really trying to ask and answer questions. And when men look back over their life, I believe this. And I'm seeing a stirring among men like I've never seen before. they want to figure this thing out Eric and I wanted to put together a book that encourage them that said listen doesn't even matter how bad you've blown it you can step up and into the moment you can take it back there's an opportunity for you and it's never ever too late there's damage yeah there may be toxic behavior yes there may be things we need to correct but man you can make a shift I want to when we come back I want to I want to talk about that because there's a lot of people listening now this is so central in our lives folks, we'll be right back. The book is Take It Back. Ain't it wonderful to be where I've always wanted to be? Hey, folks, Eric Metaxis here. Joe Biden and the Democrats have laid out the most socialist agenda our country has ever seen. Instead of following President Trump's blueprint that had

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is this issue of toxic masculinity. It's kind of like talking about violent masculinity or whatever. You're like, yeah, when masculinity goes bad, that's bad. We get it. But the idea that masculinity is somehow inherently dangerous or whatever, you think, well, you know,

that's like saying every cop with a gun is a potential murderer, so let's take the guns away from them. Their whole job is to protect the innocent. and when they don't do that, if they do the wrong thing, we prosecute them. So we're all on the same page. But people seem to be pushing this idea as though manhood is somehow inherently toxic. And we would say it's exactly the opposite. But why is that idea so widespread?

You know, the logic's insane, Eric. But even the American Psychological Association came out and basically broad brushed that statement saying that men were toxic. Eric, it's not that men are toxic. It's not that masculinity is toxic. It's that there's toxic behavior. There are men who make bad decisions. Have men blown it? Have you ever been on the receiving end of somebody's anger of their horrific stuff?

You know, in a counseling world I live in, I see it every day. But Eric, that doesn't mean men or masculinity is toxic. We own our behavior. Masculinity, God created us uniquely. We go back to her earlier to us. discussion about being protectors and providers, the walls, and so much more. Why they want to take it out again, it's the narrative. Because if you can neutralize men, if you can get them to shut down, if you can get them to,

hey, what did Therosey? The mass of men live but quiet lives of desperation. If you can get them lost, if you can take them out of the fight, what the Edmund Burke's sake, all this necessary for evil to triumph in the midst of this war that we're in, is for good men and women to do what? Nothing. You neutralize them as what you do. And I'll tell you what it's happening, Eric. When you get beat on so much, you don't want to go back there anymore. You shut down. And the horrible thing for men is we tend to what?

Cacoon, we go into our caves, we hide, we don't engage. We just shut down. And then we get angry and frustrated. Eric, this is a call to bring men out of that, to bring them into a place, to get them beyond this cultural beat down and put them square back into the middle of the fight and say, hey, wait a second. Do you know? do you really understand how much you matter?

I'm not just talking about the research. Do you know how much you matter to your kids? You know how much it matters when you love and are loved? I mean, do you get that? Do you understand how much you matter when it comes to the cause of Christ? It matters, Eric? It's amazing to me that, you know,

we are coming to a place where it is only like great churches that are pushing this message out there. The whole culture has become feminized and confused. I mean, it's obvious that people are just, I mean, most people understand that the culture is nuts. Like, you need to be encouraged folks. If you think the culture is nuts, you know what? You are right. And I'm here to affirm you. They've all gone nuts. The only place where you seem to be able to find sanity is in certain churches. I was, I mentioned to you, Tim, I was up in Ken Graves' church in Bangor, Maine. I was at Jack Hibbs' church in Chino Hills, California.

There are a few pastors that are particularly manly, and I thought men just gravitate toward that. Because in their ideas, church is kind of like it's a woman's thing or something like that. I really think that this message that you have in your book, Take It Back, it just comes out of the Bible, and it's kind of like solving for X in an algebra equation, right? I mean, everything else goes away. in a culture now where you really can't find this anymore. We don't have a lot of healthy masculinity in the culture, in our movies, and in TV. Either it is toxic masculinity portrayed or it is wimpy non-masculinity, but this healthy idea of biblical masculinity, which fathers bless their children

and husbands bless their wives and live self-sacrificially and use their strength to protect those. I mean, it's so beautiful. I think more and more we're seeing that. in churches. And I predict that we're going to see revival on this issue. When a culture becomes as sick as ours is on this issue, men are looking for truth. They know in their gut right and wrong on this. And I'm just, I'm excited that you're talking about it. You're not the only one, but this is, the book is Take It Back, Dr. Tim Clinton, forward by Daryl Strawberry. We've just got 60 seconds before the next segment. What should we say? I mean, Can you just give us a few seconds on the idea that masculinity is simply not inherently toxic?

I mean, that's just not true. But tell us about that. Yeah, God uniquely created in the beginning, male and female, created he them. Uniquely. Hey, they're different. God made it that way. Eric, special giftings, special abilities. Hey, that doesn't make them not equal before God.

they're equal before God. We know that. But hey, what is it about men? What are the gifts that a dad, for example, can bring and give to his kids? Those are the things we celebrate. Those are the things that we centralize our heart and mind. We focus in on. And we want to give them as gifts to our kids. Eric, that's what this is all about. That's what we give to one another. And by the way, when you're in a war, we step up and into those moments. That's what we do. Well, it is just so beautiful. I want to encourage people to get your book, Take It Back, Reclaiming Biblical Manhood for the sake of marriage, family, and culture. The reason we're in a crazy moment, folks, this is kind of the central issue. And I think it's kind of nice when you know what the real problem is. This is the real problem. If people will step up

on this issue, you'll see a lot of other problems go away. We'll be right back with the author of Take It Back, Dr. Tim Clinton. Hey folks, all you out there know that My Pillow doesn't have box stores or any shopping channels. They've been part of this canceled culture and they want to pass the savings on directly to you. So you can get the lowest price in the history of My Pillow for the classic standard My Pillow regularly 69. Now only 1999 with promo code Eric. They also have queen size regularly 79, 99, 98, now 2498 with promo code Eric or King Size regular. 89.98, only 2998 with promo code Eric. My Pillow is not just pillows. They've got over 150

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I just want to talk to that guy. Tell me about him, but maybe before you tell me about him, tell me what you just told me in the break about what about men who have blown it, who have messed up. Yeah, Eric, one of the things that I see a lot and have conversations with men around is, Tim, I made some mistakes in my life. I haven't been a good dad. I've not handled my marriage all that well. I struggle in my relationship with God.

I don't know what it means. I can do things. I want to, and they're given a little bit more what we would call as religion versus a relationship with God because they, Tim, if God really knows me the way you say he knows me, there's no way you could love me because they look inside and they see the brokenness. You know that? And Eric, here's, here's the, here's the central message of the book. And that is, is that God is constantly reaching toward us. He desires us. His heart is there. And he wants us and he beckons us to come to him. Just like we want our kids to come to us when they're broken, when they're struggling, when they're lost,

when they're confused. I want my kids running to my lap. And God can handle our emotion. He can handle the brokenness of our lives. He just simply wants us to come there. Confess it to bring the darkness into the light. There's a beautiful story that we really wrap the book around and the title around. And it's out of 1st Samuel 30.

It's with David at Zicklack. And you know the story. He and his mighty warriors, his mighty men were what? They were away from the city. And they weren't protecting the village, the home, with their women and their children. And while they are gone, everything is decimated and taken.

And when they come back, Eric, the scene, can you imagine it's like a scene out of Bravehart or something? They come in and the smoke is just coming up out of the village. And as they get closer, they realize they don't hear the sound of the kids anymore, nothing. And when they get there, it is gone, wiped out the enemy has taken it all.

And the men are broken. You talk about men not weeping? No, they wept. I mean, and then they were filled with rage and anger, even toward David. And David did. The only thing he knew what to do, and that was what? He got away by himself, and he inquired the Lord. That's what it says in 1st, Samuel 30.

He inquired the Lord. He cried out to God and said, God. And God spoke to him. And he said this, they're still alive. Hear me. I want you to go and pursue them. Take it all back. Go get it. Can you imagine Eric when he turns? I got chills on my body when he turns and he looks at his mighty warriors and he says this.

God told me they're alive. We still have a chance and the horses begin to what? Stir and start to go crazy and these guys grab their stuff. I would imagine a scene where it goes silent. Everything goes dead silence like being on football bus going to a football game. You're not allowed to talk. Coach just shut up, but the guys start tapping their feet. Everybody knows what's coming. It's time to go. It's go time. And Eric, they take off.

And here's the word here for a moment. As long as God's giving you breath, as long as you have an opportunity, take that moment. Can you imagine what would happen if men would step up and into this moment? you imagine Eric if one boy has his dad showing up at the game because he read take it back if one woman would call me and say Tim you have no idea what's happened to my husband I love him I mean you get it you know if if the church could imagine an awakening of men

promise keepers happened recently I mean I was talking to Chad Henning and Ken Harrison about what's taking place in Dallas at the AT&T stadium he said Tim, you have no idea. There's a surge. There's a stirring. I believe there's a stirring among young dads like I've never seen before. Eric, it's happening. There's something happening.

This is going to lead to revival in America. And I want to say to anybody listening, like if you say, well, my situation is hopeless. I'm just here to tell you, that's the voice of Satan who despises your kids and your wife and you. That hopelessness is the voice of the devil. Do not choose not to hear that voice because I really know that when God is in something, he'll be with you in it. And I just think that there are people all over this country who, you know, if anybody thinks all the things you were going down that, you know, men who have blown it, they haven't been the best father, they haven't been the best father. That is me, okay. I don't know what people think out there of me or of you, Tim, whatever.

but I mean, anybody who's honest knows I have totally blown it. And what can I do? Give up. I can cry out to God and say, Lord, help me to be exactly the father and the husband that you want me to be now. Show me what I need to do. Folks, if that's me and that's Tim, that's you, there's nothing more important than this. There's nothing more beautiful. And by the way, this is the battle of our time.

In other words, what we were talking about earlier, all the stuff that's related to this. It's just, it's, it's astonishing. You know, Tim, what you were talking about, promise keepers, I think something is happening in this country. And it is, this is at the heart. This is at the heart of the father's heart. When you think about this country so messed up and confused,

we know this is at the core. This is at the core. When you're talking about transgender athletes, you know, dudes who say they're women wiping out women on the track, whatever again. My question is, where are the fathers? If that was happening to my kid, I would be, I'd be all over that. The fathers need to step up. You know, that's just one example. But this is kind of the issue. So I'm just, I'm so thrilled that Ken Harrison is rebooting promise keepers. I was so excited. We had him on the other week. But it is exciting. I mean, honestly, and I didn't know about your book until recently. But this, I think something is happening. people finally have gotten to that place yeah Eric and one with you and we're not trying to shove anything under the carpet we want men to own their stuff and more than that we want them to see it we want them to own it we want them to change it and then we we echo the cry of

Malachi 4-6 that that prophetic verse that says one day he will turn the hearts of the fathers toward their children and the hearts of the children back toward their fathers God help us let's go there final segment coming up talking to dr tim clinton the book is take it back mrs. serenade a song of love and let's rain into a paper cup they spit a while they last this before we're talking about masculinity fatherhood biblical manhood I'm talking to my friend dr tim clinton uh the book is take it back you you've got a lot of stories in here

What is in here about George Foreman? I just love George Foreman. Well, you know, Foreman was the heavyweight champion in the world, then lost the title. In his late 40s, Eric, he makes a decision he's going to make a comeback. That he's going to take it back. And you know the story. He takes it back. It's one of the most stunning stories in sports history.

And you love Foreman. You know that? It's just a beautiful, beautiful story. We open up with that. Again, a word of hope and encouragement. Eric, we've got to get beyond the shaming, the silencing, the stigmatizing of people. It's happening to men in particular in our culture. We've got to rise above this.

We've got to push back. We've got to fight back like never before. And let me share a little scene that I think encapsulate our entire discussion. Little Ligger standing in center field waiting for the next ball to be hit his way. Sure enough, a line drive comes out to this little Ligger standing. inning in center field. Eric, it's like he was days, didn't see the ball coming, misses the ball, finally gets the ball, throws it back in, and then he runs in after the inning's over, and the dog, coach comes up to him and says, hey, bud, what happened out there? Red face, this little

guy looks up at the coach and says this, coach, I was looking in the stands from my dad. He promised he'd be here. Promise me he'd be here. Young or old, male or female. male, we all look in the stands for our dad and consider his influence, his input in our life, one of the most important gifts that God can give to us. God help us as dads to be in the stands and to give that gift of love and grace and to model and emulate Christ. And God help us to step up and fight like we've never before for that to continue and perpetuate from generation to generation the generation, the generation.

Why? Because it matters. More now than ever. There is nothing more important than this. And I just want to say to all the guys out there, Jesus is your answer. We don't have a lot of time, so I've got to cut to the chase. A lot of people don't realize that. And they really have misunderstood, you know, the Bible and faith

and whether they've maybe got some messed up, feminized version of it. But when you read about the heroes of the Bible, I know they're in the book, take it back. But, I mean, these are manly men and they're warriors, many of them. And I just think that kind of faith is a lot of people have missed that. And when you bump into that, you know, Promise Keepers is a good example. I mentioned some pastors that you suddenly realize, yeah, this is what I'm looking for.

This is, you know, my heart. And I, you know, and when you say, what about people who've blown it? I mean, honestly, that's the whole point in the Bible. God says, yes, you will blow it. you have blown it. Okay, now come to me and I'll work with you. And now you're going to see what you can do with me. And, you know, your father could be dead. You could be, I mean, God always gives you a second chance. Don't get into, yeah, but, yeah, but there's no yeah, but. God is a plan. I just want to speak hope because so many people have some reason they're clinging

to it. Can't work because of this or this. I'm just telling you, you have no idea with God, all things are possible. That's not a cliche. That is true. We're talking about, miraculous stuff. I've seen it in my life, otherwise I wouldn't be yapping about it. I know this is true. Tim, if people want to find you, obviously you're the author of the book, take it back, but if people just want to find you, where can they find you online? Tim Clinton.com. Or they can learn more at Timclintonbooks.com, either one of them, and the American Association of Christian Counselors. Timclinton.com. That's pretty easy. Timclinton.com co-hosting Dr. James Dobson's family talk.

My friend, Tim Clinton, thank you. Congratulations on the book. Take it back. God bless you.