The Eric Metaxas Show - Tim Clinton (Encore)

Episode Date: August 27, 2021

Tim Clinton nails it with the subject of his new book, "Take It Back: Reclaiming Biblical Manhood for the Sake of Marriage, Family, and Culture." (Encore Presentation)

the Eric Mettaxas show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Ladies and gentlemen, as promised, we keep yacking and yacking about food for the poor. You'd like to know, hey, hey, who runs that organization? Well, we tracked him down. He wasn't easy to find, but his name is Ed Raines, and he's right here. Ed, welcome the program. Thanks so much, Eric. Great to be on your show.

Of course, I'm lying. You were very easy to find. In fact, it was you who found me. But I want to ask you, Ed, how long have you been? the head of food for the pork because you're a fairly recent addition to this longstanding organization yeah so i've been here almost four years but uh as uh president CEO since the beginning of 2020 so uh where are you from originally ed well it started off life growing up in london uh and came to college in the u.s and never left so uh you've just got a little bit of that

English accent there. Well, look, my audience already knows about food for the poor, but for those who don't, who might be tuning in right now, I have to say there are almost no organizations that we work with the way we do with you guys. CSI is the only one that's popping into my mind. People that we have vetted, not just we, the Irkman Taxis show, but the entire Salem Radio network from Mike Gallagher

to the next mayor of California. Larry Elder, to Hugh Hewitt, to my dear, dear friend Dennis Prager. We believe in the work you're doing at Food for the Poor and the way that you do it, feeding the poorest of the poor in the world, Haiti, other places. So we really believe in you and periodically we partner with you. We're doing that with you this month, obviously. And so I want to say before we even get into the conversation, folks, you go to my website, it's the radio website, metaxis talk.com. You'll see the banner. All the exciting details

are there. Ericmetaxis.com is my website. Metaxistococot.com is the radio website since we talk on the radio. And if you want to call the numbers 844-863 Hope, 844-863 Hope. So, Ed Rain, tell us, what are we looking at right now? You've been the head of Food for the Poor since roughly this horrific pandemic messed with the world's economy and everything. So what's going on right now? Well, thanks, Eric. I mean, one of the things we have to say is that the COVID hit that we saw in the U.S. has been replicated in the 17 countries that we support around the Caribbean and Latin America. And just as we saw, you know, the food crisis has been the number one problem. People suddenly finding themselves without work. And in many of the countries, the devaluation of their

currencies is also ensured that they are faced with limited access to food and the food that they can find is at a greater cost. So their burden is greater than ever. And then, you know, we're in the business of sort of helping from a relief anyway. So you add in, you know, what, what we typically expect in a given year with the hurricanes and the flooding and so forth. So, you know, think about last year, we had COVID going on and then those two hurricanes that slammed into Central America. We were there to provide support, but it is, this is a moment in time where, you know, we are very concerned for the countries that we're supporting. Food is the number one problem. Well, it's hard again for America. There's always a challenge because we are so blessed

in this nation, even the poorest people in this nation have ways to get food. So the idea that there are people struggling who don't have the most basic medicine, are dying for want of medicine that none of us would ever think about having a problem getting. That's why you all are doing what you're doing. How many years has food for the poor been doing this kind of thing? Well, it's 39 years, and you're quite right. I mean, the medicines are a part of our program. We partner with organizations to provide us with medicines and medical supplies.

And when you think about the plight of someone in extreme poverty, they have multiple needs. So we talk about, you know, all of those. whether it's food, it's access to water, it's shelter, housing. We built 85,000 homes through the generosity of donors over the 39 years in many of those countries, about nine of those countries. But all of these things press upon the problems of poverty, and so trying to be able to provide sort of a full array of solutions for those people is imperative. We always start with food.

That's why food for the poor. That's how we began. but we very quickly realized that a full array of solutions was required. You know, imagine what it's like if you absolutely have nothing. I mean, we talk about, you know, relative poverty within the U.S., and there are many services that help those in extreme need here in this country. But that safety net just is not present in the countries we're talking about. So, you know, if somebody doesn't act on their behalf, nothing's going to happen.

It's an amazing thing because in this country, in the United States, we have the luxury of arguing which is better, the public sector or the private sector. Should government be doing this? Should private individuals be doing this? It's almost comical that we argue about how to get it done. And there are countries where it's not even a thought that the government would get it done. The governments tend to be tremendously corrupt. They couldn't care less about the poor and their misery. They don't have a Christian worldview. In America, even pagans have a Christian worldview when it comes to the poor. They don't know where it came from, but of course it comes out of the Bible, caring for those who can't care

for themselves, feeding those who are hungry, basic ideas for centuries. And in countries like Haiti, as you describe and others, the governments are so broken down. There's a kind of anarchy and a misery. And it would be wonderful if we can come in there and revive the entire nation, but we can't do that. But the people are there. They are suffering. And what we can do is what food for the poor does. So it's just a beautiful thing. Tell us also, I mean, I know I keep telling my audience that for $11, you feed somebody, you would feed three kids for six months. That's how you leverage the American dollars, which is nothing less than astonishing. I mean, when somebody thinks of $11, it's nothing to an American. And then you think it can feed three starving kids for six months. So how is

that food for the poor can do those types of things. Well, there's several reasons. When you think about how we're set up, we have extensive logistics and distribution capability. That's how we get the relief for the containers. It's usually about 4,000 containers a year get set out to these countries. And the most important part of the equation is how we use the churches in these countries. So it is really our sort of secret source,

want to say it that way. Christian ministry here works through those churches, all denominations, and we're able to distribute through those churches. Of course, it's, you know, the church isn't charging us a fee to do this. And that's getting to more people through that network. I mean, in Haiti alone, we probably have 3,000 outlets for the distribution that we start off in our two warehouses. They go to 14 distribution centers. And those distribution centers are to, in large churches and then for further redistribution. So it's an incredible network. You have to have that network in place to make a difference. Well, see, this is what I keep trying to say. We're just going to keep you for another minute here. But I just want to say that this is the key.

This is why we, all the other Salem radio partners work with food for the pool because you all have this infrastructure and the relationships with churches. That is the key to everything. You're able to leverage our few dollars dramatically. And I know this. I've heard about this before. I've looked into this before. So when people think, well, what can I do? Well, folks, whatever you give to food for the poor, it is dramatically magnified. I want to say again, please go to our website. It's metaxis talk.com. You'll see the banner. It gives you all the details there. And I also want to say to anybody who's listening, anybody crazy enough to want to have dinner with me, Eric Metaxus for a $10,000 gift to food for the poor.

And many of you have done it in the past. I'm asking you to do it again, please. I'd be delighted to meet you in a city of our mutual convenience, have dinner with you. We can include whomever you like. A thousand dollars gift, you can have a visit to the studio with your whole family or anyone you're like. Or if you hate New York, you can find friends in New York and say, hey, you go in our place. Whatever works for you, we've got a number of other things, grand prizes.

We want to bless you and encourage you. It is a remarkable opportunity that God gives us to use what he has blessed us with to bless others and food for the poor and Ed Rain. I just want to say thank you for allowing us to participate with you in doing God's work. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having us on your show. Hey there, folks. People often ask me the question. Can you tell me why Relief Factor is so successful in lowering or eliminating pain?

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1995 to see if it will work for you as it works for me. I think it could give your body what it needs to heal itself. Go to Relieffactor.com. Relieffactor.com. Or call 800-800-3-84. Hey there, folks. Manhood. There's a book in front of me right here. It's called Take It Back. claiming biblical manhood for the sake of marriage, family, and culture. As you know, manhood is kind of a big issue for me. Why? Because I'm so manly. No, that's a good guess, though, but that's not it. In the introduction to my book Seven Men, I lay out in an essay why manhood has been under attack and why it's so important to God. And it's just one of those things that most of you are paying any attention to the culture, understand. It's a huge issue. So I'm particularly thrilled to have

my friend, Dr. Tim Clinton on the program. The book is called Take It Back. Tim Clinton, welcome this program. Eric, delight to be with you, man. I love the way you keep things stirred up, my friend. I try to stir things up. I'm just that kind of a guy, a manly stirrer upper. Hey, seriously, though, whenever I have somebody who's a friend on the program, I forget to say who they are professionally, so I want my audience to know you're not just my friend who wrote a book I'll take it back. You're the president of the American Association of Christian Counselors. You are the co-host of Dr. James Dobson's family talk.

Whoa. You're at Liberty University. You're in Lynchburg, Virginia. And by the way, the forward of this book is somebody that I really value. Daryl Strawberry. So tell us, Tim, Dr. Tim Clinton, take it back, reclaiming biblical manhood. What's it about? Eric, you know there's been such a beatdown on men in culture.

I mean, basically men are seen as buffoons, idiots, disengaged fathers, horrible husbands, porn addicts, you name it. I got to tell you, that is something that I've noticed for a long time. So let's talk about why is that? Why is that? Spiritually, I mean, I think I have an answer. But do you have an answer? Because we all see it. We've seen it most of our lives.

What is that? You know, Eric, I think if you can take men out of the equation, you can run a problem. pretty unique agenda. Men, I see men as protectors, as providers, as the walls. Men are supposed to bring boundaries to life, Eric, they're supposed to step up and into the moment. And God made it that way. But if you can take men out, boy, you can pretty much do anything you want.

That's what I think is going on. No, I totally agree. I mean, it's interesting because we believe these things are spiritual battles. they manifest in the culture, but it's a spiritual battle. The enemy is always, you know, he's trying to kill God's chosen. He's trying to upend the system. What is that? I can't remember where it is.

It's one of the prophetic books in the Old Testament, but the idea that, you know, children and women will lead. In other words, the idea is that men are supposed to lead, but things are going to be so upside down. In our culture since the 60s, there's been an attack. on men and my attitude is the reason you attack men is because you want to harm the women and children men are the protectors and we even have this bizarre idea that you know women need to be empowered so that they don't need a man and even that's preposterous like it's so ridiculous it's like saying defund the police like I can take care of myself I mean well that's a nice idea if you can take care yourself but it's also nice to have backup to have people who have your

back. And traditionally, men have been that, whether in the military or in a militia or just in their homes. So when you attack men, you're really attacking those they would protect. I mean, I just want to be clear on that because that's the, if you care about women and children, you need to care about men. Yeah, what's interesting too, Eric, is in the Bible. You read verses like the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, looking for a man whose heart is toward him. God wants men to step up and end of the moment. You know. that. And if there's ever a time, man, do we need that right now, especially at home. You know, when you look at the research that's out there, you could go up on sites like the National Center

for Fothering. You'll see this. What, over 90% of Americans believe that a dad, that men make a unique contribution in the life of his children, in the life of a son or daughter, that he has that kind of influence. 90%. Yeah, and Eric, look at this. 72% believe this. that the greatest social ill of our day is the absence of dad or godly fathers is what I'll say from the home. And when you look at outcome-based research, you'll know this, that when dads are present and emotionally engaged in the life of his children, okay, you're seeing outcomes like they're less resistant to peer pressure. They do better in terms of dealing with substance abuse. They do better on mental health indexes.

actually score better on cognitive ability tests and more. Eric, it's just, it's there. What's the, what's the number one common denominator on death row? No, dad. I mean, I gotta tell you, this is so interesting because you quote statistics you say this is what people believe. So most people get it, but forget about what people believe. You're telling me the facts bear it out. In other words, whether people believe it or don't, thank God they do. Thank God that people have the common sense that they don't have that the people writing for the New York Times do not have. But then you're actually citing statistics, and I've seen some of this recently, it's nothing less than astonishing. If you want to know what is behind most of the social ills, the criminality, everything, it is lack of fathers.

I mean, even if you hated the Bible and you hated men, you would still say, well, if I care about crime, this is a way to solve that. It's kind of, you're kind of. You're of, isn't it kind of amazing that you have to write a book called Take It Back, Reclaiming Biblical Manhood for the sake of marriage, family, and culture, that we have to argue for what's absolutely inevitably going to help people, whether they like this or not. Yeah, Eric, you know, I got a text message from a friend of mine, psychologist over in the Virginia Beach area. He said, you know, if dads were at home, a lot of those issues that we wrestle with in culture would be gone. And he's right. You're right.

When dad isn't home, Eric, you're seeing kids struggle with their masculinity, their femininity, the girls struggle with it. You're seeing kids who aren't doing well at school. You're seeing kids more susceptible to peer pressure. You're seeing them wrestle with substance abuse. You're seeing them wrestle with mental health issues and more living and growing up in poverty. You just name it. It's just a list that goes on. It's endless.

You would figure that if masculinity is so bad, that if dads weren't at home, that the statistics would be the opposite. They're not. They're not. It's clear. It's time we get her head out of the sand and admit this. And by the way, challenge people to come back home. What did Mother Teresa say? Hey, if you want to change the world, I think she had this right.

Go home and love your family. Let's get back to the family. I wonder if there are any men listening to this driving a truck or something right now that God is speaking to on this. I just want to say, folks, my dad sacrificed a lot. I know because I was there. I was there. His marriage wasn't fun. Neither was my mother's marriage fun.

Sometimes it's tough. But they did it because they knew it was the right thing. And I just want to tell you anything that I ever do in my life is a result of my father's sacrifice. Think of the sacrifices that you make that are paying dividends into the future. You have no idea who you will bless if you make that sacrifice. And by the way, you make it with God. You're not on your own. God is with you and he wants you to make that sacrifice.

But I tell you, when you talk about this, Tim, it just moves me because I'm thinking. of people, then I'm also thinking of the people that if you don't make that sacrifice, if you say, I've had enough, it's really going to hurt people more than just your kids. Your kids are going to hurt other people because of what they're looking for and stuff. This is so central. I imagine you've had your eyes on this issue for a long time in your career. You know, my dad was the kindest man I've ever known. He was a World War II vet. what were they called the greatest generation ever? That's what Brokaw called them.

I think about my dad coming back from World War II. He said he was scared to death over there, but he went over and fought. He was on the USS Pennsylvania and South Pacific. He said he kissed the ground when he got back stateside and told God he'd serve him for the rest of his life, Eric. Went back, found my mother who he broke up with before he went to the war. She had a ring on her hand, and she took it off when she saw him. But hey, my dad. making a move to say, you know what, for the rest of my life, I'm going to try to be the best man I can be.

God, I'm going to serve you with all heart. You know what? He was a great dad. Anybody can be a father, take somebody special to be a dad. When men step up and into the moment, it matters. Eric, I'm going to the movie, Saving Private Ryan. I'm going to that last scene when he's walking out through the cemetery. And he looks over at his wife and he says, tell me, tell me that I was a good thing.

man. I know this. In psychology and counseling, we call it ego integrity versus despair, that last stage of life where you're really trying to ask and answer questions. And when men look back over their life, I believe this. And I'm seeing a stirring among men like I've never seen before. They want to figure this thing out, Eric. And I wanted to put together a book that encourage them that said, listen, it doesn't even matter how bad you've blown it. You can step up and into the moment. You can take it back. There's an opportunity for you. And it's never, ever too late. There's damage. Yeah. There may be toxic behavior. Yes. There may be things we need to correct. But, man, you can make a shift. I want to, when we come back, I want to talk about that because there's a lot of

people listening now. This is so central in our lives. Folks, we'll be right back. The book is Take It Back. the president of the American Association of Christian Counselors. He's also the co-host with Dr. James Dobson of Family Talk. The new book is called Take It Back, Reclaiming Biblical Manhood for the sake of marriage, family, and culture. So, Tim, we hear a lot in this day and eight. We hear a lot about a lot of dumb stuff. But at the top of the list for me is this issue of toxic masculinity.

It's kind of like talking about violent masculinity or whatever. You're like, yeah, when masculinity goes bad, That's bad. We get it. But the idea that masculinity is somehow inherently dangerous or whatever, you think, well, you know, that's like saying every cop with a gun is a potential murderer, so let's take the guns away from them. Their whole job is to protect the innocent. And when they don't do that, if they do the wrong thing, we prosecute them. So we're all on the same page. But people seem to be pushing this idea as though manhood is somehow inherently toxic.

And we would say it's exactly the opposite. But why is that idea so widespread? You know, the logic's insane, Eric. But even the American Psychological Association came out and basically broad-brushed that statement saying that men were toxic. Eric, it's not that men are toxic. It's not that masculinity is toxic. It's that there's toxic behavior.

There are men who make bad decisions. Have men blown it? Have you ever been on the receiving end of somebody's anger? of their horrific stuff. You know, in the counseling world I live in, I see it every day. But Eric, that doesn't mean men or masculinity is toxic. We own our behavior. Masculinity, God created us uniquely.

We go back to our earlier discussion about being protectors and providers, the walls, and so much more. Why they want to take it out again, it's the narrative. Because if you can neutralize men, if you can get them to shut down, if you can get them to, hey, what did Therosay? the massive men live but quiet lives of desperation. If you can get them lost, if you can take them out of the fight, what the Edmund in Burtzake, all this necessary for evil to triumph in the midst of this war that we're in, is for good men and women to do what?

Nothing. You neutralize them as what you do. And I'll tell you what it's happening, Eric. When you get beat on so much, you don't want to go back there anymore. You shut down. And the horrible thing for men is we tend to what? Cacoon. We go into our caves.

We hide. We don't engage. We just shut down and then we get angry and frustrated. Eric, this is a call to bring men out of that, to bring them into a place, to get them beyond this cultural beat down and put them square back into the middle of the fight and say, hey, wait a second. Do you know, do you really understand how much you matter? I'm not just talking about the research. Do you know how much you matter to your kids? You know how much it matters when you love and are loved?

I mean, do you get that? Do you understand how much you matter when it comes to the cause of Christ? It matters, Eric? It's amazing to me that, you know, we are coming to a place where it is only like great churches that are pushing this message out there. The whole culture has become feminized and confused. I mean, it's obvious that people are just, I mean, most people understand that the culture is nuts. Like, you need to be encouraged folks. If you think the culture is nuts, you know what?

You are right. And I'm here to affirm you. They've all gone nuts. The only place where you seem to be able to find sanity is in certain churches. I mentioned to you, Tim, I was up in Ken Graves' church in Bangor, Maine. I was at Jack Hibbs' church in Chino Hills, California. there are a few pastors that are particularly manly, and I thought men just gravitate toward that, because in their ideas, church is kind of like it's a woman's thing or something like that.

I really think that this message that you have in your book, Take It Just Comes Out of the Bible, and it's kind of like solving for X in an algebra equation, right? I mean, everything else goes away. We're in a culture now where you really can't find this anymore. We don't have a lot of healthy masculinity in the culture. in our movies and in TV. Either it is toxic masculinity portrayed or it is wimpy non-masculinity, but this healthy idea of biblical masculinity, which fathers bless their children and husbands bless their wives and live self-sacrificially and use their strength to protect those. I mean,

it's so beautiful. I think more and more we're seeing that in churches. And I predict that we're going to see revival on this issue. When a culture becomes as sick as ours is on this, issue, men are looking for truth. They know in their gut right and wrong on this. And I'm just, I'm excited that you're talking about it. You're not the only one, but this is, the book is Take It Back, Dr. Tim Clinton, forward by Darrell Strawberry. We've just got 60 seconds before the next segment. What should we say? I mean, can you just give us a few seconds on the idea that masculinity is simply not inherently toxic? I mean, that's just not true. But tell us about that. Yeah, God uniquely created in the beginning, male and female, created he them uniquely.

Hey, they're different. God made it that way. Eric, special giftings, special abilities. Hey, that doesn't make them not equal before God. They're equal before God. We know that. But hey, what is it about men? What are the gifts that a dad, for example, can bring and give to his kids?

Those are the things we celebrate. Those are the things that we centralize our heart and mind. We focus in on, and we want to give them as gifts to our kids. Eric, that's what this is all about. That's what we give to one another. And by the way, when you're in a war, we step up and into those moments. That's what we do. Well, it's just so beautiful.

I want to encourage people to get your book, take it back, reclaiming biblical manhood for the sake of marriage, family, and culture. the reason we're in a crazy moment, folks, this is kind of the central issue. And I think it's kind of nice when you know what the real problem is. This is the real problem. If people will step up on this issue, you'll see a lot of other problems go away. We'll be right back with the author of Take It Back, Dr. Tim Clinton. Friend, Dr. Tim Clinton, the book is Take It Back, reclaiming biblical manhood for the sake of marriage, family, and culture. You have stories in this book about people like George Foreman.

I love George Foreman. I want to get him on this program. I just want to talk to that guy. Tell me about him, but maybe before you tell me about him, tell me what you just told me in the break about what about men who have blown it, who have messed up. Yeah, Eric, one of the things that I see a lot and have conversations with men around is Tim. I made some mistakes in my life.

I haven't been a good dad. I've not handled my marriage all that well. I struggle in my relationship with God. I don't know what it means. I can do things. I want to, and they're given a little bit more what we would call as religion versus a relationship with God because they, Tim, if God really knows me the way you say he knows me,

there's no way you could love me. because they look inside and they see the brokenness. You know that? And Eric, here's the central message of the book. And that is, is that God is constantly reaching toward us. He desires us. His heart is there. And he wants us and he beckons us to come to him.

Just like we want our kids to come to us when they're broken, when they're struggling, when they're lost, when they're confused. I want my kids running to my lap. And God can handle our emotion. He can handle the brokenness of our life. lives. He just simply wants us to come there, confess it, to bring the darkness into the light. There's a beautiful story that we really wrap the book around and the title around, and it's out of 1st Samuel 30. It's with David at Zicklack. And you know the story. He and his mighty warriors,

his mighty men were what? They were away from the city, and they weren't protecting the village, the home, with their women and their children. And while they are gone, everything is decimated and taken. And when they come back, Eric, the scene, can you imagine it's like a scene out of Braebart or something. They come in and the smoke is just coming up out of the village. And as they get closer, they realize they don't hear the sound of the kids anymore. Nothing. And when they get there, it is gone. Wiped out.

The enemy has taken it all. And the men are broken. You talk about men not weeping? No, they wept. I mean, and then they were filled with rage and anger even toward David. And David did. the only thing he knew what to do and that was what he got away by himself and he inquired the lord that's what it says in first samuel 30 he inquired the lord he cried out to god and said god

and god spoke to him and he said this they're still alive hear me i want you to go and pursue them take it all back can you imagine eric when he turns i got chills on my body when he turns when he turns and he looks at his mighty warriors and he says this, God told me they're alive. We still have a chance. And the horses begin to what? Stir and start to go crazy. And these guys grab their stuff. I would imagine a scene where it goes silent. Everything goes dead silence. It's like being on football bus going to a football game. You're not allowed to talk. Coach just shut up, but the guys start tapping their feet. Everybody knows what's coming. It's time to go. It's go. It's go. time. And Eric, they take off. And here's the word here for a moment, as long as God's giving

you breath, as long as you have an opportunity, take that moment. Can you imagine what would happen if men would step up and into this moment? You imagine, Eric, if one boy has his dad showing up at the game because he read, take it back. If one, woman would call me and say, Tim, you have no idea what's happened to my husband. I love him. I mean, you get it. You know, if the church could imagine an awakening of men, promise keepers happened recently. I mean, I was talking to Chad Henning and Ken Harrison about what's taking place in Dallas at the AT&T stadium.

He said, Tim, you have no idea. There's a surge. There's a stirring. I believe there's a stirring among young dads like I've never seen before. Eric, it's happening. There's something happening. This is going to lead to revival in America. And I want to say to anybody listening, like if you say, well, my situation is hopeless,

I'm just here to tell you, that's the voice of Satan who despises your kids and your wife and you. That hopelessness is the voice of the devil. Do not choose not to hear that voice because I really know that when God is in something, he'll be with you in it. and I just think that there are people all over this country who, you know, if anybody thinks all the things you were going down that, you know, men who have blown it, they haven't been the best father, they have been the best father. That is me, okay?

I don't know what people think out there of me or of you, Tim, whatever, but I mean, anybody who's honest knows, I have totally blown it. And what can I do? Give up. I can cry out to God and say, Lord, help me to be exactly the father. and the husband that you want me to be now. Show me what I need to do. Folks, if that's me and that's Tim, that's you,

there's nothing more important than this. There's nothing more beautiful. And by the way, this is the battle of our time. In other words, what we were talking about earlier, all the stuff that's related to this, it's just, it's astonishing. You know, Tim, what you were talking about promise keepers, I think something is happening in this country.

and it is this this is at the heart this is at the heart of the father's heart when you think about this country so messed up and confused we know this is at the core this is at the core when you're talking about transgender athletes you know dudes who say they're women wiping out women on the track whatever my question is where the fathers if that was happening to my kid I would be I'd be all over that the fathers need to step up uh you know you You know, that's just one example. But this is kind of the issue. So I'm just, I'm so thrilled that Ken Harrison is rebooting promise keepers.

I was so excited. We had him on the other week. But it is exciting. I mean, honestly, and I didn't know about your book until recently. But this, I think something is happening. People finally have gotten to that place. Yeah, Eric, and I'm with you. And we're not trying to shove anything under the carpet.

We want men to own their stuff. And more than that, we want them to see it. We want them to own it. We want them to change it. And then we echo the cry of Malachi 4-6. That prophetic verse that says, one day he will turn the hearts of the fathers toward their children and the hearts of the children back toward their fathers.

God, help us. Let's go there. Final segment coming up talking to Dr. Tim Clinton, the book is Take It Back. Serenade you shoot a song of love. Like endless rain into it. paper cup this for the wild day has this before me. Hey there folks.

We're talking about masculinity, fatherhood, biblical manhood. I'm talking to my friend Dr. Tim Clinton. The book is Take It Back. You've got a lot of stories in here. What is in here about George Foreman? I just love George Foreman. Well, you know, Foreman was the heavyweight champion in the world, then lost the title.

then in his late 40s, Eric, he makes a decision he's going to make a comeback, that he's going to take it back. And you know the story. He takes it back. It's one of the most stunning stories in sports history. And you love Foreman. You know that? It's just a beautiful, beautiful story. We open up with that because, again, a word of hope and encouragement.

Eric, we've got to get beyond the shaming, the silencing, the stigmatizing of people. It's happening to men in particular in our culture. We've got to rise above this. We've got to push back. We've got to fight back like never before. And let me share a little scene that I think encapsulate our entire discussion. Little Ligger standing in center field waiting for the next ball to be hit his way. Sure enough, a line drive comes out to this little Ligger standing in center field.

Eric, it's like he was days, didn't see the ball coming, misses the ball, finally gets the ball, throws it back in. and then he runs in after the inning's over, and the dog, the coach comes up to him and says, hey, bud, what happened out there? Red face, this little guy looks up at the coach and says this,

coach, I was looking in the stands for my dad. He promised he'd be here. Promise me he'd be here. Young or old, male or female, we all look in the stands for our dad and consider his influence,

his input in our life, one of the most important gifts that God can give to us. God help us as dads to be in the stands and to give that gift of love and grace and to model and emulate Christ. And God help us to step up and fight like we've never before for that to continue and perpetuate from generation to generation to generation. Why? Because it matters. More now than ever.

There is nothing more important than this. And I just want to say to all the guys out there, Jesus is your answer. We don't have a lot of time, so I've got to cut to the chase. A lot of people don't realize that. And they really have misunderstood, you know, the Bible and faith and whether they've maybe got some messed up, feminized version of it. But when you read about the heroes of the Bible, I know they're in the book, take it back. But, I mean, these are manly men and they're warriors, many of them. And I just think that kind of faith is a lot of people have missed that.

And when you bump into that, you know, Promise Keepers is a good example. I mentioned some pastors that you suddenly realize, yeah, this is what I'm looking for. This is, you know, my heart. And I, you know, and when you say, what about people who've blown it? I mean, honestly, that's the whole point in the Bible. God says, yes, you will blow it. You have blown it. Okay, now come to me and I'll work with you.

and now you're going to see what you can do with me. And, you know, your father could be dead. You could be, I mean, God always gives you a second chance. Don't get into, yeah, but, yeah, but there's no yeah, but. God is a plan. I just want to speak hope because so many people have some reason they're clinging to it. Can't work because of this or this. I'm just telling you, you have no idea with God, all things are possible.

That's not a cliche. That is true. We're talking about miraculous stuff. I've seen it in my life. Otherwise, I wouldn't be yapping about it. I know this is true. Tim, if people want to find you, obviously you're the author of the book, take it back. But if people just want to find you, where can they find you online?

Tim Clinton.com. Or they can learn more at Timclintonbooks.com, either one of them and the American Association of Christian Counselors. Tim Clinton.com. That's pretty easy. Tim Clinton.com co-hosting Dr. James Dobson's family talk. my friend Tim Clinton Thank you Congratulations on the book Take it back

God bless you