The Eric Metaxas Show - Tim Mahoney (Encore)

Episode Date: April 30, 2020

Historian and filmmaker Tim Mahoney introduces us to the latest in his “Patterns of Evidence” series, this time exploring the location of Moses and the Israelites’ crossing in “The Red Sea Miracle.” (Encore Presentation)

Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show. My name is Todd Wilkerson, and I'm happy to be the announcer for the Eric Mataxis show. But it's gotten to where I can't go out in public without people recognizing me and just loving on me big time right there in public because I'm so awesome. Look, I get it. You love me. I am fascinating. I know. But how about once in a while you respect my space? I mean, I'm not some sticking piece of meat. Okay, Eric. You're up.

Am I really, Todd? I don't want to get in your way. Hey, folks, we've got an exciting show, a really exciting show today. I'm sitting here in the studio with my friend Tim Mahoney. Tim is the director of three feature films. These are documentaries on subjects that are as interesting to me as anything can be. Tim Mahoney, welcome. Well, thanks for having me, Eric.

Now, let's explain to my audience when I say that these documentaries are so interesting to me. The one we're going to talk about today has to do with the parting of the Red Sea, the miracle of the Red Sea. Tell us about the last one, because we've talked before. Yes, we've actually known each other for probably about five or six years now. Yeah, more than that. Yeah, yeah. And, well, I have a series of films called Patterns of Evidence. And the big question has been, are the stories or the narrative of the,

Bible. Is it true? Because a lot of people today, you know, they think it's just a book of myths. And in fact, I was raised, you know, my mother would read us the Bible at night. And I never had any doubts about the Bible. And it wasn't until I went to Egypt in 2002 on an investigation. And I went way up to the location where the Israelites were to live. And I asked this archaeologist, Manfred B-Tec, I said, so tell me about the Israelites, you know, what have you found? And I said, actually I said, have you found any evidence for them? And he said, so far not. Can now that, okay, that's amazing, right? In other words, here it is 2002. Oh, I don't know, about 3,500 years after they lived in this place. And there is no archaeological evidence. So when

you ask this, I'm sure you were a little bit shocked because it shouldn't be such a big deal to discover evidence of millions of people living in a place. Right, right. In fact, I wasn't only, I was so taken by that that I actually didn't know what to say next. And I had a lot of stress getting up to this location. It was not easy to get there. And when he said that, I had one time been hit by a bat when I was playing catcher. You were hit by a bat? Yeah, a guy swung a bat and let go of it, and I was playing catcher, and he knocked me out. And I remember waking up against the backstop, you know, with my head.

bringing. When he said that, it was like I got hit and head with a bad. Because I actually, I was so stunned by it because it was such a job to get to Egypt and to get up this location. In fact, when I came back to home, I had a crazy. You live in Minnesota. When I came back, I had a crisis of faith. I was sitting in the edit suite one one Saturday looking at this footage. And literally, I asked God, I said, you have to explain this. I don't, what is the reason why he's saying there's no evidence for it? And, this thought came into my mind. Actually, the room got cold. It was like a chill came in, and this thought came to my mind and said, everything your family has believed about the Bible.

Your mother believes about the Bible. You believe about the Bible is a lie. You heard this. In my heart. Yeah, that sounds like a, if the room got cold, it sounds like a demonic voice or demonic thought. That's a little scary. But it's not finished. The next thing I heard, just like that, another, like on a next side on one on my left i felt heard that sound and on the right it said stop editing get up go to your office i get up out of the edit suite i walked down to my office go to the bookcase i went there read that book somebody had given me a book a year earlier about egyptology no wait a second so you're you're telling me let's go back a little bit you're in 2002 you're

already a filmmaker i am a filmmaker okay have you been a filmmaker your whole adult life what pretty much so for 40 years okay and what kind of films have you been making before you got into this sort of subject? You know, in the beginning, actually my first films were documentary. That's how I got into the ad agency business. I showed a documentary, got into advertising, started making TV commercials, made TV commercials for about 30 years, and lots of different. I started making big curriculum-type films on the Bible and filmed a number of Bible scholars,

probably did 30 of those, over 300 episodes. Then I made a film, Jesus Devils. or Da Vinci, which TBN. Jesus, what? Jesus, divine or Da Vinci? Or Da Vinci? Yep. Okay.

That was during the years of the Da Vinci Code. Oh, I got, I got, I got. Okay. All right, so you're a filmmaker, and you're telling me now in 2002, relatively recently, 18 years ago, you have this crisis, and you get this kind of cold, dark thought, wherever it comes from. And then the next thing, you make it sound like God was leading you to go read a book. I mean, did you feel? feel that it was God or was just, you did?

You know, I think the thing is, is that as we mature in our faith, there are times when the Bible says, you know, my sheep hear my voice or know my voice. But I also know that there's a time when there's a battle. There's a spiritual world. And there's times when I felt like this horrifying thought came into my mind. Literally, I had utter hopelessness after I thought that. And then this other thought came into my mind. I went to my office.

When I pulled that book out, it was given to me. And this man said to me, I think you need to have this book. I said, thank you very much. You know, I have lots of books. I have bookcases full of them. And I just put it on the bookcase. Yeah. And when I pulled it out, I opened it up.

I started looking at it. And can you believe it or not? But the very dig site that I was looking at in my edit suite was the subject of this book. That's a little freaky. And then it uncovered evidence for Joseph and his fan. family. And the reason why Manfred Betech told me there wasn't any evidence for the Bible is because most scholars today are looking at a time period that is different than where the Bible suggests. I have to say, I love this stuff. I'm involved myself on making a documentary about an archaeological find

in Greece from the Mycenaean era, so similar time period. It is so fascinating that we in this day, thousands of years removed, 3,000 years from that time, could be figuring stuff out that no one has figured out. And you just said, there's always a reason, right? The reason was people were looking in the wrong time period. Now, why were people looking in the wrong time period? Because of the name Rameses. What has happened is that when the Bible records that the Israelites left from Rameses, they've all focused on the time of Rameses.

But the time of Ramesses is around 1250 BC. Right. And in biblical dating or dating once it goes past the time of Christ, it goes backwards. So it goes from, you know, back in time from, you know, 100 to 200 to 300 to 300. It goes all the way back. So it would be 1,250 years before the time of Christ is when the time of Ramesses was. Right. But the Bible says that it actually happened 200 years earlier.

And that would be around 1450 BC. So the Bible says that. that Moses was alive in what we call the 15th century BC. But you're saying that for some reason the archaeologists said no, that it was 200 years later. Now, why do the archaeologists conflict the biblical account? Because when they said that their synchronism, if they're going to synchronize the time of the Bible, they're going to go with the building of the cities of Ramesses. But what we know is that it also says that Joseph came into the land of Ramesses.

Well, Ramesses wasn't even around at that time. So what this is looking at is, and what this film starts to uncover, is that the city, 200 years earlier, is where all the evidence for the Israelites show up. And that's what that book was showing me. And I was at the very location that Manfred Btec, Manfred Betech was telling me. But because of his mindset, you see, here's Rameses and here's the earlier time period of ours. Right. 200 years earlier is the story of the book.

Bible. And you know what they say? They say, well, that's where the idea of it comes from. That's where the legend of it comes from. Instead of, that's where it comes from. Well, see, this is the thing. We're going to go to a break here, but I just want to be clear with my audience that the Bible, if it is true, has to be based on historical fact, which means it has to be verifiable archaeologically and in every other way. And I think there are things that you can never find. maybe they've been lost forever, but there's so many things you can find that are being found, and folks like you are rewriting history and giving us, giving the Bible historicity. It's an amazing thing.

Folks, do not go away. There is so much more. You're going to be amazed. There's a film coming out. That's why we're talking here. Stick around. Folks, that is the BG's if you're scoring at home, and BG stands for Brothers Gibb. I just want you to know that.

Write that down. It'll come in handy at some point in the past. Hey, I'm talking about the past. I'm talking to Tim Mahoney. He is the director of a number of documentaries. One of them is coming out in theaters February 18th. That's any day right now. So before we continue this, to me, absolutely fascinating conversation.

We haven't even scratched the surface. Tell my audience where they can see this film that's coming out February 18th. Yes, February 18th. It's a one-night-only, fathom event. So they can go to Patterns of Evidence.com, Patternsofevidence.com, and get tickets. We're in over 800 theaters around the nation. The Red Sea Miracle, this is a two-part film. It's never happened before with Fathom.

You know, it's a biblical epic. I couldn't just put it in the one film. Right. And so we're going to cover the route of the Exodus out of Egypt. You know, in this pattern, we have a departure point. We have a direction, a desert, a detour, a dead end to a desolate. deep sea and a destination. That's what we're looking for.

That sounds like a preacher. He's got the five points of alliteration so you can remember. But seriously, though, I need to frame everything because there are people listening. They have no clue what we're talking about. You are talking about the miracle of the Red Sea and the Exodus, and you're saying that we have new archaeological, historical evidence for these things, and that the first time we're really encountering these things is in your films. Well, that's right. I think I'm probably one of the first people to really.

to bring it all together in a cinematic way. And what's happened is there's been information out there, but it's never really gotten out. And our films have uncovered in the first film. We covered that there's a pattern of evidence for the Israelites, and there's a pattern of evidence for the conquest. The second film, the Moses controversy, covered the fact that Moses needed a writing system

to communicate the first five books of the Bible. And that's what we uncover, again, at this same location is where they think the very first alphabet shows up in Egypt at the time of Moses. What year, roughly? That's around 1700 BC. Okay, 1700 BC. The reason I find this interesting is because since I'm interested in archaeology and the Mycenaean era, people often speculate on when the Greek alphabet came into existence.

And there's no evidence before the 8th century BC. There's nothing written in what we call the Greek language and Greek letters before the 8th century BC. And they speculate that it may have evolved from some of the Hebrew characters. And then there's this thing called Linner B. So this is all really fascinating. And one of the reasons I want people to go see your film is because I think that everybody owes it to themselves to be literate on these subjects. In other words, it's one thing to say, oh, I'm a Christian, or I believe. or to say, I'm not a Christian, I don't believe, you need to know the latest facts.

And the facts that have been coming up in the last 20 years are just staggering. So you need to kind of bone up on this. So February 18th, which is any day now, is going to be the one day only. This is what Fathom Events does. They put it in a theater for one day. Now, if enough people go, they will bump it and give it a second day. But I want to say to people that it is really important. And I can't stress this enough.

It's important we understand these issues so that we can have intelligent conversations about it. We shouldn't just believe because, well, the Bible says it, whatever, that's fine for you. But you may have a neighbor that says, I don't care what the Bible says. Do we have archaeological evidence? We ought to be able to have an intelligent, gracious conversation where we say, well, actually, yes, there is archaeological evidence. If we had this conversation 30 years ago, there wasn't. But when new things are coming out, that's what you, Timahoney are doing. Now, are there books that go along with these documentary films?

Yes, we do. We have the filmmaker's journey as the very first book that we have, and then evidence of faith. Because as you talked about it, some people have asked me, well, Tim, why is it important to have, you know, we don't need evidence, but our faith is a historical faith. In other words, it's not just moral teachings that we're sort of, you know, pulling, you know, the ones that we like or whatever. Right. It's saying that there was a man named Moses. And I could see that in the second film that we made the Moses controversy, what was significant about that film was I wanted to identify, was Moses able to write? Because he was giving an eyewitness account of the journey, and I had to establish that ability for him to write.

And do you know that the world's first alphabet shows up, as I said, in Egypt at the time of the Israelites? And somebody took hieroglyphs and modified about 22 of them. And so this is the bull's head right here. You're doing this on the camera. So, let's say, so an upside down A, if you draw an upside down A and you look at it, it looks a little bit like a bull's head with horns, right? And when I discovered that, I discovered this only a couple years ago because I'm, you know, studying linear B and I'm starting to look into this stuff. And it's so fascinating to think where did the letter A come from? So you flip it upside down, it looks like a bull's head.

Right. The letter B? Well, the letter B is B, I think it is, and it's like a house. And so what's interesting about this alphabet is that it becomes the foundational alphabet of all alphabets in the world. And it shows up at the time the Israelites are in Egypt. And so what does it say? Why is that important? Because many scholars today say that the Israelites were illiterate, that Moses wasn't the one who wrote this.

But what we're seeing is the very basis of all writing. Alphabetic shows up with people who are not elite. They were like slaves. They found them in slave areas, and they were writing. And what is it? Moses tells the Israelites to write these commands on your doorpost and to teach them to your children. As you know, Jewish people are very literate.

But it's been something that's been going on for millennia, right? So that then was the second film that I made. And now I'm looking at what he wrote. as an itinerary. Moses says, okay, we left from this location, from our departure point of Ramesses, and then we went this far, and then we had a campsite. And then what we saw was a pillar of fire at night, and we saw a pillar of clob by day, and it was leading us. And then it told us to go and turn here, and we were camped at a sea. And then Farrell came and threatened to kill us all. And then God told me to put my staff over the water, and the wind came into the sea part of it.

Okay, is that just a... I was going to say the idea. First of all, I think there's certain things that we have to be honest, we can never prove, right? When you talk about a pillar of fire, it's not like, gay, guess what? Some archaeologists, they were digging a foundation for parking garage, and they found the pillar of fire. That's not going to happen, right? No, it's not going to happen. So there's certain things that we can't know, but there are certain things we can know.

And you're telling me that in the last couple of decades, we've discovered some things. things that are game changers. Right. Big game changer. But this is not going to be on the network news. It's not going to be on Fox News. People don't tend to cover this. They tend to go with the old narrative. What did people say 50 years ago? There's no evidence. And then we keep going with that for decades. But you're telling me the narrative is changing. So what changed for you, when you talked to this guy, you said Manfred B-tech. He is, he's an archaeologist. And he tells you there's no evidence. This is 2002.

Yeah. So I get a, I'm working. working on the alphabet, and I'm hearing, then I hear from the Orly Goldwasser, that her good friend, Manfred B-Tec, would like to talk to me. He has new evidence of the Israelites in Egypt. Now, Manfred, so when I met him, I met him in Jerusalem, and we sat there, and I said, you're not going to believe this. I said, but in 2002, I came to see you, and you told me that you hadn't found any evidence so far not, I said, of the Israelites. And I said, I had a crisis of faith, but I kept searching, And here we are again, almost 20 years later. And I said, so do you have evidence?

And he got very excited. And he goes, yes, let me tell you what I found. And he found, this is a little spoiler alert, but he found the name Goshen and Gesham. And he found a lake. And what's amazing about this is that when Joseph's family came in to this area, there are Egyptian documents that reference this lake. but the thing that's unusual about it is it's not an Egyptian word. It's a Semitic or Hebrew-type word.

And so what he said was, I have found the lake. So it looks very possible that the Israelites had lakeshore property in Goshen. That right. Yes, it was where one of the divisions of the Nile came in and filled this 20-long kilometer lake. And we're going to show what that looks like because I do these recreations. And so the word Goshen, we know the land of Goshen. how did BTEC find the word? I'm not clear.

It's in Egyptian documents that were written. So he was able to look at these documents, and they were able to look at the archaeology, and they could identify that this like, but that word doesn't belong in the Egyptian language. It's not an Egyptian word. And he says, why, for heaven's sakes, is an Hebrew or Semitic word doing in Egyptian documents. And when are these documents dated from? I think those are probably around the 1,200s, 1200 BC. And what he's saying is it's pointing back to an earlier,

time. You see, so these names. And not only that, but then there's Ramesses and Ptem, the very names. And so, you know, I live right next to St. Paul. Minnesota, yeah, St. Paul. But do you know what St. Paul was called years ago? No. Pigsai. Why? Well, because there was a tavern there called Pig'si. And eventually the Catholic Church came in and they said, you know, this isn't a great name for it. Let's name the church, St. Paul Cathedral. And so the name of the city changed. And there was a time, I believe, and what people are saying is there's a time when the city of a virus name changed. Hang on, we're going to go to a break here. This is all so important, folks.

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I apologize. Man, we need more skinnered. Okay, I'm talking to Tim Mahoney, who is the producer of a number of spectacular documentaries, the director of these feature films, patterns of evidence. You can go to the website, Patterns of Evidence.com. I recommend it highly. Patternsofevidence.com.

The first one is the Exodus. The second one is the Moses controversy. We're talking about the third one now, which is in two parts. So you were just making an important point. Do you want to keep going along those lines? Right, right. Well, what's interesting about this is that cities that were, the city of Ramesses

in the Bible, had an name earlier. It was called of ours because it was from an earlier time period. And where the evidence for the Bible shows up is in this earlier time period. And in each of my films that I've had, we've always seen to go back to the archaeology of this location, but not at that time. So what we're seeing is that in the third film, as I mentioned to an Egyptologist man for B-Tec, I meet him in Jerusalem, and he's telling me about this exciting new evidence. Now, when was this? This was in 2018. Okay. So quite recently.

he's telling you that he's discovered this information. He's very excited about it. He should be. And he says, so here he went from being this person who caused me to have a crisis of faith to a person who's basically going like this saying, we shouldn't discount the Bible. So this is an archaeologist who did not previously take the Bible, especially seriously, as a text to be relied upon historically. Well, they're very careful.

I think that he considered it, and I don't think that he considered it, and I don't think that He was, you have to understand in the world of academia, people have to be very, very careful because he can't necessarily prove things. But why patterns of evidence approaches are interestingly and very powerful is that we're taking a scientific approach. We're saying, is there evidence for the arrival of the Israelites? Is there evidence of their enslavement? Is there evidence of judgment of Egypt? Is there evidence of them leaving and the conquest? Then is there evidence of writing?

Now, is there evidence of the direction that they would have gone? when they left. Because the geography hasn't changed. So the Red Sea Miracle, it's the biggest film that I've ever done in the sense that it's a two-part four-hour. February 18th is the first part. May 5th is the second part. In fact, I don't know that there's been any other films that have done this before. It's so large.

So this is, Fathom Events is a one-night-only thing. You're saying the first one is February 18th coming up any day now, but part two is May 4th. fifth. Yes. And you said I'm in this film. You're in this film. Who do I play? Ramsey's the second. I was going to make a joke, but I'm not going to say anything funny, but I'm going to say, you play yourself very well. Thank you. I noticed that, in fact, you know, when your book came out, Miracles, of which you talked about quite a bit when you're self-promoting on the last time we worked together. Miracles was, is the subject. It's called the Red Sea Miracle. We could have called it the Red Sea Party. We could have called it something else. And the question then is, what kind of miracle was this? Because many people today say, well, it was a shallow, reedy lake about three feet to six feet deep.

So I've gone down the scientific approach of what's called wind set down, looking at, well, how can wind naturally blow water? But the Bible also tells us, Moses is telling us that when the Israelites passed through, there were walls of water on the left and walls of water on the right. And that is the way Cecil Bita Mill portray. and it looked like it was pretty spectacular. Well, look, we have to be clear here. We know God can do anything. So if God did blow apart water and it wasn't that deep, that's fine. We just want to know what actually happened.

But the problem, and I think I say this in the documentary, is that you have people fudging it where they try to have it both ways. They go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like it was a miracle, but it was not a big miracle. It was just kind of a normal, natural occurrence. And then it begs the question, why bother to call it a miracle if it was just, you're saying it was a coincidence. You're saying, you know, notice there are people that saying like, well, it wasn't a big deal. And yet the people at the time practically lost their minds for joy because it was obviously a miracle.

Like the timing was perfect. They're up against the Red Sea. They're about to die. And suddenly, fom, the sea parts and they walk through. So it's important they were at least honest about how we. approach these things. And if it ends up not being a miracle, then we say, well, there's no evidence for a miracle. But that's what I love about you and your approach. I want to ask you a question about this film, the Red Sea miracle, which, of course, is in theaters February 18th. And I just

hope everybody goes to see it. But in this film, do you find evidence for the parting of the Red Sea? That strikes me as a kind of thing that it would be difficult to find evidence, archaeological evidence for? Well, there are people that are diving for chariot wheels. And I have sent teams out there as well and paid for diving trips. And so I am taking this whole history and looking at, is there evidence, have there been chariot wheels found? Are there chariots?

Are there bones? Would anything sustain itself? We have marine biologists being filmed. We've got Exodus Explores. We're telling an enormous story here. We're going to look at different locations where the parting could have happened. we're going to look at, you know, what type of science would be behind it if it was a naturalistic claim or if it was a supernaturalistic. Are miracles natural coincidences that happen and it's God's in the timing?

Right. Or is it's supernatural and spectacular? Okay, so the film is called The Red Sea Miracle. It's in theaters nationwide February 18th. We'll be right back. Hey, folks, what does Casey and the Sunshine Band have to do with the parting of the Red Sea? Nothing. But that's the way I like it.

Uh-huh, uh-huh, that's the way I like it. And I'm the host of the show. We're talking to my friend Tim Mahoney, who's a filmmaker. The new film is called The Red Sea Miracle. Patterns of Evidence, the Red Sea Miracle. It's going to be a fathom event in theaters February 18th. What else do we need to know about this, Tim? Well, I think that it's easy for us to sort of think it's a fairy tale.

And for a lot of people, that's what we're going to be a lot of people. what they think it is. But these films are investigating the plausibility of how it would have happened. So when I investigate, and I look at the pattern that we identify in the scriptures, all our films are based, they start with the Bible. And we look at the Bible and we say, well, what is it telling us? And then can we find evidence for it? So in this particular case, we asked the question, well, it says that Moses was in Egypt and then he killed somebody because he was trying to defend a Hebrew slave. flees and he goes off to the land of Midian. And then the question would be, well, where is Midian? And what we know from the interviews and from the research and from the archaeology

is that Midian is in northwest Saudi Arabia and southern Jordan. And so then the question is, is that that gives you a clue as to the direction that Moses was heading back when he went with the Israelites. Because God told Moses out of burning bush, come back to this mountain and worship me. So that tells us we have a departure point and we have a destination. So somewhere along the way, there's a body of water that the Israelites would have crossed. And what we end up into is two different types of viewpoints in this next investigation. One I call the Egyptian point of view. And the Egyptian point of view is looking at the border lakes around Egypt.

They're more shallow, they're smaller, and they're very close to Egypt. So you could reach them in just a matter of several days. The other view looks at the Gulf of Akaba, which is a sea, and it's on the southern tip of Israel. and on that sea is where a whole other group looks, and we call that the Hebrew point of view. So we have this tension. Today, most scholars, in fact, all of them are in the Egyptian approach, because they think the Bible has taken words from Egypt

and taken them their lone words. And so that's how this confusion comes along, and I think that you've heard, I'll give you a Hebrew word, Yom Suf, Yom means C, Suf, what does that mean? Well, some people believe it means reeds. So it's the Sea of Reeds. So it went from Hebrew, and then it went actually into Greek, by the way, and that was called

the Red Sea, and later on it becomes the Sea of Reeds. So what is it? Is it Yom Suf? Is it Red Sea? Is it Sea of Reeds? Where did this miracle happen? And what difference does it make anyway? Do you think it makes a difference?

Well, it makes a difference. Let's put it this way. if I don't really want to believe in what the Bible says, right? Let's say I want to sleep with my girlfriend, where I want to cheat on my wife. I'm not interested in taking the Bible very literally. But let's say, I want to know what the Bible really says. Let's say I'm open to the idea that it could really be true. My attitude is we should all be open to what's true.

Like what is true? And I think that you and I've talked about this. we're living at a time where the narrative has pushed away from taking the Bible seriously as the Word of God. And so people love to say, eh, it's written a long time ago. It's a lot of oral history. We don't know. There's a lot of disagreement. I mean, there are a lot of people who have a vested interest in taking that approach. I joke around about, you know, wanting to sleep with your girlfriend. But the point is there people like, look, I'm living my life the way I want to live it. And I would prefer that this is not the actual revealed word of God.

because then I might have some issues. So we're living at a time when that has been the reigning narrative, Tim. And so what I find interesting is there's a counter-narrative that will not go away. You are one of the people who keeps coming back with more information. We were talking about Stephen Collins and the discovery of the biblical Sodom. I mean, I am a little freaked out by how much archaeological evidence is coming to light in our lifetime. Like why now, you know, but what you're doing, I mean, are there books, by the way, that come out with this, that have come out with these documentary films? Yes, we do have some books, and you can get them at our website, Patternsofevidence.com, Patternsofevidence.com, and that's where you can buy tickets for this next one.

February 18th, it's important to get your tickets now. There were in over 800 theaters. You can get, just you go to our website, Patterns of Evidence.com, and then you, you go to our website, patterns of evidence. com and then you can see uh you watch a trailer for the film and you can uh purchase buy tickets and you put your zip code in there it tells you what theaters are near and what if i want to see the previous films i say before i want to see the new one the red sea miracle you have two previous films can i find them at patterns of evidence dot com as well yes you can absolutely okay so the first one is the exodus then it is the moses controversy this one is the red sea miracle yeah and

And the thing that's going on here is that you asked a very, very good question about, you know, why is this important right now? Is because I think that it's very easy for us to start to water down or to diminish the biblical narrative. Well, it's been happening for 100 years. That's why I'm saying. Like, it's a little freaky that suddenly now there is this counter-narrative coming up that says maybe you can't water it down. Maybe we have archaeological proof. Do you know, and we looked it up, it's over 100 times. I think it might even be up to 140 times.

It says, do not forget what God did by bringing you up out of Egypt with a mighty hand he brought. In fact, the nations, it said, the Bible says that the nations were so fearful of what happened that they trembled. And that's what Rehab told them. The reputation of God went way beyond into the other nations. And so what we have here, I believe the films that I'm making are films of remembrance. and forewarning. As I thought and prayed about this for a long time, because I'm trying to figure out,

what am I doing? What is this about? What kind of films are these? You see, we forget, and history repeats itself. And I think you know that, Eric. History repeats itself. And so these historical events should not be forgotten because they're thematically going to repeat themselves.

Do you know that the plagues of Exodus show up in the book of Revelation? Uh, no. We're just about out of time. Uh, we're going to, we're going to keep you here because I want to continue this conversation. There is so much here. We've really just scratched the surface. There's a lot of important stuff.

Uh, the main, uh, point is that February 18th, uh, in theaters nationwide, it's a fathom event, the Red Sea Miracle Patterns of Evidence.com. You can figure it out there. We will continue the conversation with Tim Mahoney. Tim, thank you. And you know what? people can bring groups. Bring your friends. Bring your family. Bring your friends. Bring the youth group. A jumpy rhythm make you feel so fine. It'll shake all your trouble from your word at mind.

Get rhythm. Hey folks, welcome back to the bunker. As you know, what a day, what a day. In hour one today, I had what I think of as an absolutely extraordinary conversation with the great Pat Boone talking about the National Day of Prayer. Please share that. As soon as we get that up on video, I think TBN is going to be airing that tomorrow night on their program and also Sunday night on their TBN program. And of course, we're going to get it up on YouTube as soon as possible. But I think it's really important to get the word out about fasting and praying on May 7th, which is the National Day of Prayer.

Also, you just heard, I hope, my conversation from a little while back with Tim Mahoney about patterns of evidence. Patterns of Evidence, folks, you can watch it. You go to Patterns of Evidence.com. We have a new deal, basically, where all three films are available. Go to Patternsofevidence. com. And if you put in the code Eric, I'm Eric.

If you put in the code Eric, you get 10% off. It's just a great thing to watch right now. Patterns of Evidence. Dot com, put in Eric, you get 10% off. And Albin is just about to leap into say, to say it's not just 10% off, it's 10 whopping percent. Oh, no, I thought you were going to say that what we just aired with Tim Mahoney in Hour 2 was not the whole interview.

If you want the whole interview, you go to our YouTube channel, the Erkmataxis show on YouTube, and you can see the whole interview because there's more with Tim Mahoney, which is just, it's exciting. I love, you know, when you're talking about biblical archaeology and all that kind of stuff, I just love it. But don't forget, Patterns of Evidence.com, if you go there and put in the code, Eric, you can watch this thing.

And at the end of the first film, I do a panel discussion with Dennis Prager and Anne Graham Lotz, and I believe Alexander Solzhenits, and I can't remember. But anyway, so we wanted to mention that. We also want to mention that tomorrow, I think I'm having a,

conversation with Steve Bannon. He's very elusive. Some would say flaky. I would never say flaky, but elusive, hard to pin down, almost like an electron. You don't know where he is. Maybe he's in two places at once. But wouldn't it be great if we can talk to him tomorrow about everything that's going on in the country? So we're hoping that that can happen. We're working on that right now. And I guess we had a couple of the things to mention. We have, oh my goodness, Richard E. Simmons III. What a name. Has written a book called Reflections on the Existence of God. It is tremendous. We are airing that conversation tomorrow for sure. Don't miss it. Really just wonderful. He's in Birmingham, Alabama.

I'm very excited about that. And we want to remind you that if you do go to MyPillow, you've got to use the code. Eric, those guys, I mean, I want to be really clear, honorbound coffee.com and mypillow.com, because of the COVID situation, they're going through a tough time. So if you're inclined to go there, if you go to Honorbound Coffee.com, 100% of everything they make, all of their profits go to help military families. I find this hard to believe, except I know Pete and Seth Talbot and their commitment to these kinds of things. It really is, it's just unbelievable. So I think we'll leave it there. My goodness, don't forget, Pat Boone should be on TBN this weekend.

And if you missed Hour 1 today, don't miss it. He's a legend, and I just feel privileged to have that conversation. And that's it. Thanks for listening. Social distancing. Exactly. Most important thing of all. Just a rat