The Eric Metaxas Show - Tom Haviland

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Major Tom Haviland joins us to give an update on the horrific effects of the Covid-19 vaccine years later 

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Folks, coming up in the next segment, we have Tom Havilland. You just buckle your seatbelts. We had him on this program two years ago. I won't even, I won't even spoil it, but it has to do with the vaccine. Wait till you hear my conversation with Tom Havlin. Right now I'm talking, I continue my conversation with Frank Turrick, but I want to remind you of the Hurtsog Foundation. Folks, if you go to Hurtsog Foundation.com, they're there to help you.

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And I believe I told you, I wrote a book called Is Atheism Dead? We're turning it into a streaming TV series. It is going to be spectacular. And the evidence for God from science is, you know, a lot of people say, well, I hear there's evidence for, no, no, no, folks. It's like saying, I hear there's evidence that the earth is not flat. No, no, it's been decided. The earth is not flat. And so you don't need to talk about the evidence is inescapable.

But that's what's happened with the world of science inescapably points to God. The world of archaeology inescapably points to the Bible as history. The evidence that has come out in the last decades is so astonishing. So it's why I wrote my book is atheism. that folks, if you haven't read it, for the love of Pete, read it. I promise you, it will encourage you in your faith. The evidence for God is just mind bending, and most Christians don't know it. But Frank, I mentioned you were turning it into a streaming TV series. We're going to interview you for that, because you've dedicated your life to this issue.

That's right. I go to a lot of college campuses and present the evidence that Christianity's true. We go through in the I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an atheist presentation. We answer these four questions, Eric. Does truth exist? does God exist or miracles possible? And is the New Testament telling us the truth about the resurrection? Because, Eric, if truth exists and God exists and miracles are possible and Jesus rose from the dead, game over Christianity is true. In fact, we could summarize those four points into two.

If God exists and Jesus rose from the dead, game over. Christianity's true. Now, the evidence for God, I think I agree with you, is so strong. In fact, I know this is going to sound maybe sacrilegious for Christians. The evidence for God is stronger than the evidence for Jesus. okay because Jesus you need historical evidence and you've got to rely on eye witness testimony the evidence for God you can look through your telescope and see the universe had a beginning if the universe had a beginning it had to have a beginner if space time and matter had a beginning as even atheists are admitting Eric and you know better even than I do with this with this book is atheism dead if if space time and matter had a beginning what could have caused that only something that transcends space time and matter and other words, the cause must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful to create the universe out of nothing, personal in order to choose to create, and also intelligent to have a mind to make a choice

to create. So when you think about a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal, intelligent cause, who do you think of? And every audience I ask says God, but then they'll say, well, how do you know it's the Christian God? And the answer is, we don't. Yet, we've got to see if Jesus rose from the dead. Eric, if Jesus did rise from the dead, then we can say that the same being that walked out of the tomb 1,992 years ago is the same being in whose divine nature created the universe out of nothing. So if Jesus rose from the dead, the Christian God is the true God. Without the evidence for Jesus, we don't know if the creator of the universe was Allah, Jesus or somebody else,

but the evidence shows that Jesus did rise from the dead, so Christianity is indeed true. And as you know, you highlight quite a bit in is atheism dead. Even one of the stronger arguments for God is the fine-tuning of the universe, which is just you can't. Oh, no, it's insane. Let me just give one illustration. One illustration.

This is one illustration of the fine-tuning. The precision of the. the strong nuclear force or of gravity to the strong nuclear force is one to 10 to the 40th power. That's one in one with 40 zeros following it. Now, to give an illustration of this number, because you can't get your mind around that number, if you were to take the entire North American continent from from South, from Central America, all the way to Greenland, and stack it in dimes to the moon, 238,000 miles. And you did that on a billion other North American continent, stacked the,

them all in dimes, 238,000 miles to the moon, then put all those dimes in one huge pile, marked one dime red, mixed it in through a blindfolded friend on that pile, that huge pile, and asked him to pick one dime. The chance he would pick that one red dime is one chance in 10 to the 40th power. Listen, that illustration is in my book, and I want to say this stuff is incomprehensible. And what you just said, I mean, I think most people would miss it. We're talking about there these four fundamental forces that were established one millionth of a second after the Big Bang. One millionth of a second, this is what science tells us. So atheist scientists all agree on this, that one millionth of a second after the Big Bang,

these constants were established. And here's the point. They will say that if any of those four constants, and Frank, you mentioned two of them, the weak nuclear force, the gravitational force. If they had differed by one in, you know, one followed by 40 zeros, the universe would not exist. This is what science says. This is not what Christians are saying. This is what science says.

And that is one example. That is one example. And it goes on and on and on and on. It is actually ultimately frightening to me. when you think about the God who created this, he scares me. Like a God who's able to design stuff on that. It's scary. And then you realize, oh, and by the way, he loves you.

He knows your name. He cares about you. I mean, it's the greatest news imaginable. It's beyond our ability to comprehend. And I think, you know, I think, Frank, that's why I love what you do. People need to know that the evidence for God and Jesus. It's so overwhelming.

It changes your. faith walk because for years, you know, I bought the lie that, well, all these sophisticated people don't believe in God. So it's kind of this kind of crazy parochial belief and I happen to believe it. No, no, no, no, no. It's really like saying like, you know, I don't believe the earth is flat, but who am I to say? Well, the fact is, the earth is not flat. And if somebody says it's flat, you should laugh at them. And when somebody says, I believe there's no God, I believe science says there's no God, you should laugh at them and say, sorry, you're extremely wrong. You're not just wrong. You're extremely wrong. You have no idea how wrong you are and how the evidence for God

is mind-blowing. But most Christians, Frank, don't know this. It's why I wrote my book as atheism dead. I said, I want to put this in front of Christians because I think it'll blow their minds. And I think it changes your faith walk when you know that science inescapably points to God. Archaeology inescapably points to the Bible as history. And then on from there. That's why I always ask atheists, particularly on college campuses, Eric, if Christianity were true, would you become a Christian? And many of them, if they're honest, will say no. Not a head problem, heart problem.

They don't want it to be true. Why? Because they want to be God over their own lives. They're not on a truth quest or on a happiness quest. And they're just going to believe whatever they think is going to make them happy, which what's going to make them happy is for them to be in charge and do whatever they want to do. Now, that works over the short term, not the long term. But that's the question you need to ask them.

If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian? Or better put, maybe if Jesus really rose from the dead to prove he was God, would you follow him? Most people, if they're honest, will say no. Most people are looking for God like a criminal's looking for a cop, Eric. Yeah, that's going on. That's a scary thing, folks. Well, anyway, I recommend his atheism dead. But right now, I'm talking to Frank Turek.

He's written many books. Go to cross-examined.org. You need to know your faith is true. It's not just something you believe. It's actually true. Cross-examined.org. Frank, thank you. Eric, my pleasure, brother.

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Thank you, Major Tom. This is ground control, and I would like to talk to you about what you talked to me about on this program to kind of get an update. So folks probably won't remember because it's a little while ago. But we're talking about the blood clots caused by the MRNA, you know, COVID vaccine, quote-unquote shot. When I had you on this program, I don't know if it's two years ago, whenever it was, it's a stonet. it's astonishing stuff, and we wanted to get an update from you. So tell my audience briefly the story that we talked about last time you were on this program, because that's why you're back, and it's amazing work that you've done.

Well, thanks, Eric. Back in November of 2022, I watched that movie Died Suddenly when it premiered the week of Thanksgiving of 2022. And in that film, about half of that film is devoted to these six or seven embalmers that said they were finding these unusual white fibrous clots in their veins and arteries of their corpses. And it all started for them, Eric, back in the middle of 2021, about six months after the COVID vaccines rolled out. So I got out the next morning after watching that movie, and I said, I don't think any reporters are going to chase after this story. So I called myself the Ohio and Balmers Association, located in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I talked to their three other gentlemen that worked there. and one of the gentlemen, the now president of the Ohio Enabombers Associations,

said that he was seeing the white fibrous clots in his corpses. So then I said, wow, now I have a well-respected embalmer in the industry, you know, of the president of this organization now, saying that he's seeing these clots too. So I decided right there and then I needed to do a survey, a nationwide survey, which I then later on turned into a worldwide survey by including Canada, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand to see just how prevalent these clots are.

Okay, and so to be clear, all of these embalmers were seeing these fibrous white clots in these corpses that they're preparing for burial, and they had not seen them before. So suddenly, obviously, in the COVID era, they are seeing these, they're wondering what it is. The news media does not report on this. They don't want to know about it because the narrative, is, oh, no, the vaccines are good. So shut up. We don't want to hear anything that might mess with that narrative

and the billions and billions and billions of dollars being made. It's disgusting. So you, a retired major in the Air Force, it falls to you. This is the bizarre world we're living in. You mentioned to me earlier that you're a data analyst. So you have the ability to analyze data and you go for it. But how bizarre, let's just say, how bizarre that you decide to do this, that you are the one that does this, that major news organizations that spend all kinds of money, they're not even

interested in this story. It doesn't fit with their lying narrative. I have to say, to me, that's the headline. But go ahead. Yeah, nor the CDC or the FDA, right? They should be doing these kind of surveys. Also, the Embalmersations, Funeral Director Associations, Vascular Associations, Vascular of surgery societies, people

that are working cath labs, they are hospitals around the country, they should be doing these types of surveys themselves because they're seeing this unusual phenomenon happening. So it was bizarre that I as a retired major had to take this on myself. So what I did, Eric, is when we talked last two years ago, I did my first

survey to see what the embalmers were seeing through the end of 2022, and we had about 179 responses to that survey, that very first one. And of those two-thirds of the embalmers, 119 out of the 179 that responded, said that yes, they were in D.C. and the white fibrous clots. They were seeing them in an average of about 30 percent of their corpses, Eric. So this is not a rare phenomenon. These things are prevalent. An average of 30 percent of their corpses.

But excuse me, extremely prevalent. Ladies and gentlemen, do you understand what we're saying? There's none of this stuff forever. And then suddenly, 30 percent of these corpses are showing And not everybody got the vaccine. So think about that. So, I mean, if there's a correlation, what else would it be? But so keep going. Yeah. And the third main result, that first survey was that the majority of the embalmers said that the phenomenon did start for them in the year 2021 after the vaccines rolled out.

So then a year went by, I did the survey again to see what the embalmers were seeing through the end of 2023. They were still seeing the white fibrous clots in about 20, 20. percent of their corpses, so it did go down slightly from the 30 percent, the previous year, to 20 percent of their corpses. But it had been roughly at zero or not? Oh, it had been zero prior to the years of COVID. But I'm saying that's, that itself is astonishing. We're not saying it went up from 10 percent to 20 percent.

No, it goes from zero to 30 percent of all corpses, and then it's at 20 percent, whatever. The point is, this is a phenomenon utterly, uh, utterly absent from life, from, from, from, from, from, from corpses forever. And then suddenly we start seeing this. And so, okay, what else did you find? They also, in that 2023 survey, the embalmers asked me to ask about another phenomenon they were seeing called microclotting. And they don't describe it as that.

They describe it as what looks like coffee grounds or dirty blood as they're trying to drain the blood off the corpse and get the formaldehyde in. they see what looks like coffee grounds and the blood coming off. And this could be an indication of a phenomenon called microclotting, which can be just as dangerous as these large white fibrous clots that we think are causing strokes and heart attacks. The microclotting occurs at the very small capillary level, and it can block the exchange of oxygen at the lungs,

and then the carrying of that oxygen, all the major organs of your body, like your brain, your eyes. This might be why people are suffering from what's called brain fog these days, or they may be having vision problems because of the microclotting going on in the very small capillaries. And we asked the embalmers about that phenomenon. 80% of the embalmers said they were seeing that phenomenon, and they were seeing that in a shocking one out of every four corpse as well,

25% of their corpses. Now, this is a phenomenon they had seen prior to COVID, the microclotting, but in way less than 5% of their corpses, typically in patients that had heavy chemotherapy. So this is at least a quadrupling of this particular phenomenon as well. So if you combine the microclotting with, white fibers cloths, now we have a disaster on our hands. I feel like I just have to say this for my audience.

Folks, if you got the vaccine, and many people did, they didn't know. If you got the vaccine, I want to be clear in saying to you, God is real, and God can miraculously heal us. I want to say this because I think a lot of people think, oh, there's no hope. There's no hope. That is nonsense, folks. If you find a church or a ministry that prays for the sick that believes in healing for today, you ask them to pray for you.

And I think we're going to see a lot of this. I think a lot of people are going to be open to being prayed for and to being healed in the name of Jesus. Now, if that sounds too radical for you, tough luck. It's real. And, you know, I just feel compelled to say that. My friend Ken Fish, he'll be on the program in the next few weeks. He prays for the sick. of people, anybody in the name of Jesus can pray. But I want to say that because I don't want

people just to get scared. I really think that this is in some ways an exciting opportunity for people who otherwise would not turn to prayer to say, I have no hope. The medical establishment is not interested in this. I think there is real genuine hope in prayer. So if you had the vaccine or you know somebody who did, you can find somebody, and we'll talk about that in the future, but I just had to throw that in. So Tom Havlin, what else? Where are we with this? This is amazing what you're saying about the micro-clotting, I have to tell you.

I think back to what you've done, Eric, in talking, your book Bonhoeffer and your letter to the American church about the importance of people to speak out and find the courage to stand up to evil and when they see things going wrong, to speak up and talk about it. And this is one of the things we did this year for the survey, this latest survey that I did to see what the embalmers were seeing in 2024. is we added some questions in because we were seeing this tremendous reluctance of embalmers, funeral directors, vascular surgeons, cath lab workers to talk about these white fibers clots that we know are happening in both the dead and the living as well. I've got a whistleblower from Jacksonville,

Florida, who's been seeing the white fibers cloth for the last four years. And his practice has been pulling them out of living people. But what was interesting is this year we got 301 responses to our latest 2024 survey, which is great. It beats the number of responses we had the previous two years. But my best performer from last year, the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association, who gave me 125 responses from Inbalmers in that one state alone last year, they declined to participate in the survey this year. Let me read to an email from the president of the Pennsylvania Funererals Directors Association. I'll leave the names out. He says, hey, Tom, I'll see what I can do. And he's saying he's trying to get their board to to approve the distribution of my survey to all the embalmers in the state of Pennsylvania. I was one of the embalmers who responded to the survey last year regarding the clot situation, so I do recognize this to be a current situation. I see, and he names a colleague here, on this email, and he and I do quite a bit of chatting together about it,

and I do help their firm when he's away, so I do see the same things that he's experiencing. More concerning to me is the poor distribution I've been experiencing to the extremities, clots aside. Nearly every person that I embalm is not getting good distribution to one or both of the hands below the elbow, something I have not seen in the past. So here's an email from the president of the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association saying that he's seeing clotting problems, but yet, Eric, they don't want to distribute the survey like they did the previous year.

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And the stars look very different today. Folks, welcome back talking to retired Air Force Major Tom Havilland, who's a data analyst. And we're talking about really the astonishing work you have done in approaching embalmers around the country and now around the world to ask them to comment on this new phenomenon since the vaccines of fibrous, long, fibrous blood clobiles. of what you call microclotting and other things. And now, suddenly, they kind of got the memo, oh, we better keep our mouths shut. We don't want any trouble, which is despicable. But they're cowards everywhere.

God doesn't say that courage is extra credit. It's kind of basic. He expects us to be courageous and to speak the truth. But everywhere we look, there are people like this. But let me ask you what you were just referring to. You said distribution and extremity. distribution of what? I'm not clear on what you were referring. From out of hide, as the job of the embalmers, they're getting the body ready for a showing for a funeral,

is to pump all the blood out and then pump in formalde as a preservative for the body, so it doesn't decay as rapidly and is ready for the funeral to be observed. And if he's saying he's getting poor distribution, that means he's probably got clotting going on in the upper arm. So he's unable to get the fluid down past the elbow, down to the lower extremities, into the hands. Okay. So this is... So this is really basic stuff, and this is not the kind of stuff I like to think about or talk about. But the point is, folks, this is what embalmers do. It's pretty basic.

And they are all saying, or many of them are saying, they're having new problems. They haven't had these problems before. What's going on? And is anybody looking into this? Major Tom Havland is looking into this. But what about the FDA? What about the medical establishment? That's what's amazing.

to me, Tom Hatland, that it falls to you, a citizen, not a doctor, not an embalmer, but you saw this and you said, we need to look into it, and you have been looking into it. And of course, part of the story is not just what you find, but it is now that people who responded in the past are suddenly, well, they got the memo, we better back it up here. We don't want to get in trouble. So this is where we are in America. We need whistleblowers. We need truth-tellers.

We need people of courage. And God bless you, Major Tom Havelin, for being one of those people. Well, thanks, Harry. You know, what was interesting, and one of the questions we asked this year of the embalmers is, when you talk to other embalmers, are they saying that they're seeing the white fibrous clots, too? And of the 83%, by the way, of the embalmers this year responding to the survey, 250 out of the 301 said they were indeed seeing the white fibrous clots. And when we asked him, well, what about when you ask other embalmers,

185 of those embalmers said that when they talk to other embalmers, they do say that they do indeed are seeing the clots as well. Only 50 said no. So what this tells me, Eric, is that the embalmers, when they talk to each other privately, they're admitting to each other that they're seeing the white fibers clots, but then they're afraid to come out and talk about it publicly. Only very few embalmers, like the ones in that Died Sunday movie,

have come forward publicly. There was even 66 embalmers in this year's survey that said, we don't talk about this. So it's to the point where they don't even discuss it because, you know, are they afraid? Are they not interested? Have they been given instructions by their funeral director boss not to talk about this topic? It's disgusting, I think. I think even when you talk about it, it's disgusting. But it's important. Seriously, this is where we are in America. That most people, I mean, I've been talking about this,

you know, about Nazi Germany and the Bonhofer book. Sadly, of course, human beings tend to be self-serving cowards. And even people who claim to be Christians, they don't behave like Christians because they didn't seem to get the memo that being a Christian means, I speak the truth, courageously, because that will help people, because that serves God. They're always going to be people like this. But it's interesting to me that in the United States of America, you have these people, they're worried about their jobs.

And there are plenty of people maybe listening to this program and say, oh, yeah, well, they've got to worry about their jobs. Well, you know what, folks, it's because of people who worry about their jobs that people die. Like, really, no hyperbole, right? The FBI, they're worried about their pensions. So they're going to smash down the door of my friend Brandon Strach and haul him away. Or they'll send, you know, 40 FBI agents to terrorize my friend Roger Stone. Because those FBI agents, oh, they were worried about their jobs.

They had to do it. So they're bums. And if that's the kind of person you are, you're a bum and you should get the memo that that's unacceptable. If you do not trust God with your job, good luck, good luck, because I have to tell you all these people that say, well, I was afraid. Well, then I want to be really clear in telling those people you have no faith. And if you think that you're saved by faith, maybe you're not saved. Maybe you're going to hell. I say that simply to underscore what we're talking about.

This is very serious. And so anybody who behaves in this cowardly way, and so I didn't want to rock the boat, folks, God created you to rock the boat. God created you to speak the truth. People's lives depend on your speaking the truth. And this is this way on social media. People say, I'm going to lose friends. Yes, of course, you're going to lose friends.

friends. And by the way, you're going to find out maybe they weren't friends that you're losing. But this is where we are in America right now. And the only way we can go forward is if more people are willing to tell the truth. This is one very specific example. We're talking about embalmers. That's not, you know, a cross-section of America. But it's illustrative of where we are in the nation. Something happens. You see it. Do you talk about it? Or are you afraid to talk about it? Do you hide. Many people are, they couldn't care less about folks that are dying out there, whether. They just care about their job or they could. That's pretty shameful. And so I want to be real clear of the conversation behind the conversation. Right now we're talking about fibrous blood clots,

but the conversation behind the conversation is about courage and truth and honesty and faith in God, who is the God of truth. So we'll be right back talking to Major Tom Havlin. Don't go away. very still and I think my space knows which way. There's something wrong. Can you hear me major talk. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to retired Air Force major Tom Havilland. 36 years in the Air Force, now retired data analyst.

And Tom, as we've been saying, you've put yourself forward heroically to analyze what is going on with these fibrous blood clots being discovered by embalmers across the country, across the world and microclotting and all this kind of stuff. So to me, the bigger conversation is, where do we go from here? What, what, I mean, this is an amazing phenomenon. It's unprecedented. We have, you know, it's like solving for X. X is a big number when you're talking 30% or 20. This is huge. Yes. It should be front headline in newspapers. This is a big deal. What is going none. Well, that's why I kind of turn the focus this year to the embalmers and these associations, because I think we have to expose them and get them to finally come forward and be courageous enough

to talk about it because only embalmers, funeral directors, avascular surgeons, endovascular specialist, cardiologists, these are the only people to see what's going on inside of people's veins and arteries. And if they don't tell us what's going on, if they're too cowardly to tell us what's going on, then the world doesn't know, right? So the last question of this year's survey, we asked the embalmers, about 80% of them, over 80% of members of these professional funeral director associations or embalmer associations. We asked them, has your association talked at all about these white fibers clots? And shockingly, only 52 of the 301 embalmers said that their funeral director associations

are talking about these white fibers clots, either in their annual meetings where they meet in person or their monthly or quarterly newsletters. So it's just shocking to me. And most of these associations have on their website a mission statement or a code of ethics that tells them that they're supposed to be doing research whenever they run into something, a problem in their particular area. And believe me, these white fibrous clots are a problem. In fact, they've lengthened the time that it takes to do an embalming from about hour and a half to about two and a half hours when they find a body that's riddled with these clots. So it's definitely affecting embalming. But again, I think they're violating their very own code of ethics and mission statements by not talking about this publicly.

and, you know, alerting authorities about it. So what's interesting about this, Eric, is not only is this a problem with the embalmers, but it's a problem with vascular surgeons and endovascular specialists and cardiologists as well. I tried this last year as well to try to run a, what's called a 2024 cath lab worker survey. A cath lab is short for catharization lab. It's a lab in a hospital where people, living people, go to have blood clots removed, traditional grape jelly clots and what's called chicken fat clots prior to COVID and the vaccines. But now these unusual white fibers clots are really taking over because they're very large,

tough, and rubbery. So these doctors have to go in and get them physically, remove them with these flexible catheters. So I tried to run a survey first with vascular surgeon societies around the world. And I sent a survey specifically built for them. And what's interesting about this, Eric, is these people do have access to the COVID vaccination records of all their patients, unlike the embalmers. You know, most embalmers don't know the back status of their corpses unless the family of the deceased volunteers that. But the doctors do. So I build a survey, and I asked them, you know, how much of these clots are you seeing? And are these people vaccinated or

not vaccinated? Well, none of these societies for vascular surgery around the world respond to me except for one. The United States Society for Vascular Surgery, they're located in Rosemont, Illinois, and they have over 6,300 members declined to take my survey, declined. So we don't know from them. So what I did next, Eric, is I actually developed a people's blood clot survey. I said, well, if I can't get the answers from the doctor end, I'll go to the patient end and ask them. And wouldn't you know, over 1,400 people responded almost immediately to the survey that I sent out by advertising on a couple of podcast shows that I went on? So the people are very willing to talk about their blood clotting experience, but the doctors are hush, hush about it.

Listen, we have a close family friend who got the vaccine and experienced severe life-threatening blood clots. I think he's going to be fine, but clearly, this is a thing. And in a normal world, in an honest world, people would be talking about and saying, let's get to the bottom of this. What's happening here? It's amazing. Now, before I forget, Tom, is there? a website where people can find you or any of this information, what do you recommending people look at? Yeah, my assistant, Laura Kassner, L-A-U-R-A-L-A-U-R-N-E-R, you can go to Laura Kassner.

com, and she has a substack, we've appropriately called clottastrophe. It's a play on the word catastrophe. We call it clotstafferphy. And you can go see all of my work on that clotastrophe website. You know, the three previous embalmer surveys I did, the People's Blood Clot Survey, I just did this last year. Other articles, like about three months ago, Eric, I

actually went to Hershey, Pennsylvania, and I met Tucker Carlson personally, and I handed him a vial of the clots to keep, as well as a vial to his producer. Yeah. And as I handed to Tucker, I said, Tucker, let me introduce you to the most spectacular side effect of the COVID-19 vaccines.

And Tucker said, is this for real? I said, it's for real, Tucker, as I handed in the bottle. You can't play a joke, and you say, put it in your coffee in the morning, you'll feel great. Then I said, he then said to me, I sure am glad I didn't take the shot. And I said, you're a smart man, Tucker. So, you know, Tucker, he's, he's proud of the fact that he did not take the COVID-19 vaccines. But, you know, people like him have that information. So I'm hoping that now that we have a new administration coming in with, you know, RFK Jr. and Dr. J. Badacharya, that hopefully this will get more exposure now and we'll be able to get to the bottom of this and they will start doing things at the

FDA and the CDC to move out and either corroborate or negate my studies. I think my surveys were done fairly. Like I said, in the embalmer surveys, I never mentioned the words COVID or vaccine, so I tried to stay as unbiased as possible. I set the survey to red states as well as blue states, So I try to keep it very unbiased. But now we need to get to the bottom of this and expose it for the world. Well, I just want to say again that this is important, ladies and gentlemen. And I say to my audience, folks, we put every one of these videos out on Rumble. I try to put this out on X, Twitter.

We need your help in spreading the word. So I haven't said this lately. But when we do something like this, would you share this on your social media? Because tons and tons of people never, they're not even aware of this radio program. They're not aware of this podcast. They're not aware of any of this stuff. And I want to say to the citizens across this country and across the world, really, you have the ability via social media to spread this information.

So be a truth teller, if you would, by sharing this video. If you go to Eric Mataxis.com, you know, you sign up for my newsletter. We send these videos to you. We don't do that in as timely a fashion as I would like. But the point is, these videos are already on the Rumble channel. Please share these. Please spread the word. This is very, very important.

We'll be right back. Final segment with Major Tom Havelin. Welcome back, folks, talking to Major Tom Havelin. Data analyst. We're talking about this astonishing uptick in, or it's not even an uptube. It's the appearance out of nowhere of these monstrous white, fibrous blood clots in corpses all around the world that weren't there before. And here they are, microclotting, all of this stuff.

Nobody seems to be interested in talking about it. So, God bless you, Tom Havlin. Are you sometimes in awe of the fact that you, you know, little old you, you're a retired Air Force guy that it falls to you to do this? I mean, there should be a hundred people doing this. You're the guy. It's an amazing thing that you have stepped up here. Well, thanks, Eric. But, you know, and I do it kind of out of selfish reasons for,

because I've got family members who've taken the vaccines like a lot of us have. And I want to know, you know, are they in danger? So it was out of curiosity, my own curiosity, I wanted to find out the answers to these things. But it's a big problem and it's worrying to me, Eric, especially because big pharma is not stopping. They're developing new drugs using the very same MRNA, lip-in-man, nanoparticle technology for the future, for shingles, RSV, of the bird flu, the regular flu.

So if these mRNA vaccines, and I think I have pretty strong evidence that they're causing, not just these white fibers clots and microclotting, but as you know, there's also discussions about myocarditis, nerve damage, miscarriages, turbo cancers, all kinds of maladies after these shots mysteriously, you know, appeared, that we are, the human race is endangered. as Big Pharma, Moderna, Pfizer plan on releasing more shots of the same variety to humanity over the next decades. Well, that's the whole thing. Even President Trump was recently touting, you know, technology, MRNA vaccines for cancer or whatever. And you're thinking, hey, hey, hey, whoa, we've got to examine this data. I want people to know the website again. You said Laura Kassner, L-A-U-R-A-L-A-R-K-A-S-N-E-R. Folks,

Laura Kassner.substack.com. Laura Kassner. Dotubstack.com. And you said that the term is clotastrophe. We're disgusting but effective term. Clotastrophe. We've just got about a minute or so left. What can we say?

I'm going to make a final plea to embalmers, funeral directors, vascular surgeons, endovascular specialists, cardiologists, people who are seeing this happening, and it's horrific what's happening, please come forward. We need you to come forward with your voices now to let the world know that this clotting is happening, so we can do something about it, so we can stop it. It's just extraordinary to me that, I mean, it's a shameful thing how people really don't care about others. They keep their mouth shut. They say, I don't want to rock the boat. That's it's amazing to me, really. It's just, it's just amazing to me and horrifying to me. But to be positive,

there are courageous people, there are truth tellers. There are people who will share this conversation on their social media. We're in a new day, folks. We're in a new day. It would have taken a lot more bravery to talk about this a couple of years ago. Now it's not so difficult. So we're asking for a modicum of courage, not much. And let me just say in case you're still scared, God is a judge. You should be scared of God judging you for doing nothing, much more than you should be scared about losing your job or losing some friends. Well, Tom Havland, if you want to come back on this program and give us any updates, be delighted to have you. In the meantime, folks, go to laura-cassner.substack.com.

Laura K-A-S-N-E-R-Substack.com, clottastrophe. And if you want this video, make sure you're subscribed. Erikmataxis.com. Sign up for my newsletter or go to our Rumble Channel, the Eric Metaxus show. Tom Havland, Major Tom. God bless you, and thanks for coming on here. Thank you, Eric.

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