The Eric Metaxas Show - Tom Jones and Catherine Engelbrecht (Encore)

Episode Date: May 31, 2022

Extreme athlete Tom Jones is in the middle of running 76 Marathons, and Catherine Engelbrecht of TrueTheVote.org provides an update on voter-fraud progress made following release of 2000Mules.com. (Encore Presentation)

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Jones, not to be confused with the singer Tom Jones, nor with Engelbert Humperdink, who I used to confuse with the singer Tom Jones. This Tom Jones is an extreme athlete. That's an official term. He's an extreme athlete and a Marine veteran who's passionate about the United States of America, about the Constitution, about traditional values of freedom, faith, and family. He's a world record holder and has a pretty impressive history of completing extreme. physical challenges, including running from Huntington Beach, California to New York City at a

marathon pace for 121 consecutive days. I'm not making this up. He's my guest right now. Tom Jones, welcome to the Eric Mataxis show. Eric, thanks for having me on. Look, I want to ask you so many questions. First of all, the principal reason I'm having you on is because you are going to be doing something fairly shortly along the lines you just described. What is this thing that you're going to be doing soon? Actually, I'm almost right in the middle of it. I've run 30 back-to-back marathons as we speak right now. You're in the middle of it now.

Yes, yes. We left April 19th from Montebello, Alabama, and I've been running a marathon a day every day since then, including today. A marathon a day. Okay, that's not a day. something I've ever done even for a single day. So what you're doing right now, it's affiliated with United We Pledge. What is United We Pledge? Because I know your goal is to draw awareness to the Constitution, to American Freedom. What is United We Pledge? United We Pledge is a nonprofit organization.

And what they're doing is they're building a very special and magical place called the American village. And the American village is a place that has recreations exact replica recreations of buildings that were instrumental in the Constitution and the Revolutionary War. And they also have people that play the parts of people that were instrumental in that time, like George Washington, Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, Paul Revere's wife, men and women, they have colonial soldiers. And what they do is they bring in families and in particular kids, and they let them step on to the same. And they let them step on to the stage of American history and become part of the story. So it's a very, very impactful experience as far as history goes. Now, people want to find out more about United We Pledge. Is there a website

for United We Pledge? Yes, it's United We Pledge.org.org. Okay. So you are doing what you're doing to help them reach their goal. And by the way, the site of the place you're describing is Montevallo, Alabama? It is, yes. So is that where you're, is that where you started this journey? That is. And I'm winding up in Hurricane St. George, Utah,

where they're breaking ground to build an exact replica of this place on the West Coast. So they're starting development of that on July 2nd. When I, when I come into town there, we're going to break ground there, and they're going to build an exact replica. of that on the West Coast so that people on the West Coast have the opportunity to have that same experience. Right. Look, this is exciting stuff. I want to talk to you about running and I want to talk to you about America. And I figure I'm safe on both topics with you. But before we get to that, people want to know, how did Tom Jones get to be, Tom Jones, doing this kind of a thing right now? What is your story that led you to where you are today? Where did you grow up? When did these things become central in your life?

Well, that's a great question to just kind of make it real quick. So my childhood was a dumpster fire. I was removed from my home when I was 12 years old for child abuse. I was put into a foster care institution that was run by pedophiles. I was only afforded a sixth grade education until I ran away from that institution and joined the United States Marine Corps. They were a great parent. They taught me right from wrong. They taught me about integrity, a spree decor, all my clothes matched.

It was a good thing. and I ended up being a world champion prize fighter. And I had the opportunity to train with Chuck Norris and other people like that. There were really great influences on my life. And then in 1998, I went to a foster care facility in my area that wanted a playground and they couldn't afford it. So I came up with a wild idea of running from Oregon to Mexico on foot, raising money and helping them have a playground. And when we dedicated that playground, all of a sudden, my life had meaning. I knew what I was here for.

and since 1998, I've been lending my athletic abilities to worthwhile causes like this one. I love it. I mean, I really love it. When did you, you know, get into what you call extreme athletics? Because, you know, anybody can run 10 miles. Most people can do a marathon. But this is a dramatic uptick when we're talking on the levels of athleticism and endurance. I mean, for you to run a marathon a day, 26.2 miles a day, I mean, what does it take to get your body to a point where you can do that?

Most people run a marathon and then they've got to take, you know, three weeks off. What, what, how long have you been involved in this stuff? So it's a culmination of a lifetime of work, right? So this isn't something that you can just kind of go out and train for. So my entire life, I've been a professional athlete. And I got into it because. because I wanted to empower people that had been in a situation that was similar to mine as a foster kid to do whatever they wanted to with their life because we live in a country that actually allows you to do that. And I wanted to share my story with them and empower them to be more and to empower them to follow their dreams just like I am right now.

I mean, I find myself in 1998, I started this stuff and I've set several world records running. I've set the world record on stand-up paddleboard when I paddle-boarded from Oregon to Mexico. Then I broke that paddle-board record when I traveled from Key West to New York. Excuse me. Hold on a second. World records.

This is very impressive. If I had a world record, I would say it very slowly so people could take this in. You paddle-boarded from where to where? I paddle-boarded from Oregon to Mexico in 2007. What am I missing? Hold on a second.

How do you paddleboard from Oregon to Mexico? This is very tough for me to take this in. So I have a motorhome that I use as base camp, and I shuttled with wave runners every day to a launch point, and then GPS to wherever we left off, and we'd keep paddling, and then we'd leapfrog that motorhome and keep doing it over and over again until we got to the Mexican border. And then in 2010, I broke that world record when I paddle from Key West Florida to New York City. I really can't believe this. This is mind-blowing stuff. A paddle. Look, it's one thing to run.

I'm a runner. Upper body stuff. I can't believe, you know, how far can you travel on a paddle board in a day? I just can't believe this stuff. Well, when I went from Key West to New York, I averaged 18 miles a day. But when I set the flatwater world record on a lake, Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia, I paddle 30 miles a day. and I paddled that 540 miles of shoreline, I believe it was, in 16 days. So when you are, I just want to get this, not that I'm going to do this, I don't really need the details.

This is just for the storytelling here. But when you're paddleboarding from Florida to New York, you're doing this on ocean water? Absolutely. I'm doing it in the ocean water, and I can tell you, when I went from Oregon to Mexico, I saw Great White Sharks most every single day until I got to Point Conception, which is three, quarters of the way down the state. And, you know, when I went into the ocean at the Oregon, California border, I thought I was the alpha person in the water until I saw my first 17-foot Great White Shark, about six feet away from me. And then I realized I'm basically fish food.

I think once word gets out in the Great White Shark population, they will be afraid of you. They just, they're not yet familiar with what you've accomplished. But this is so exciting. Now, so right now you're in the middle of this journey going from Alabama to Utah. You are running, so this is on foot across most of the country, 26 miles a day. We're going to be right back, folks. We're talking to Tom Jones. The website for United We Pledge is United We Pledge.org. And Tom's website is quitproof.com, Q-U-I-T-P-R-O-O-F.com.

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get involved in the Marines. When did these issues? Because a lot of people would just, they would hate America, they would hate life. You, God has really found you and is able to use you. When did that happen? You know, I would tell you this, Eric, if they hate America, then they should get on a plane and take a trip anywhere. You know, when I was deployed in the Marine Corps, I was deployed all over the world. And all of the places that I went and was deployed to didn't have the freedoms that we have and all the things that we enjoy. And I think it's human nature that when things are given to you free, you tend to devalue them. And you tend to put value on all the things that you can buy that can be replaced.

And the thing that's so ironic is the things that you can buy can be replaced very easily. But the things that you're gifted. And when you're born into this country, you're gifted freedom. You're gifted freedom of speech. You're gifted to be able to vote. And all these things. So all these countries that I visited didn't have these freedoms. And I can tell you one thing.

Every single time I was deployed, Eric, when I got back to the United States of America, the first step I took on the soil of the United States of America without fail. I dropped down and I kissed that ground every single time. time because I saw firsthand what it meant to not have these freedoms that so many people take for granted. And then in 2009, I won on Mixed Martial Arts Superstar Tour and I went to Iraq and other places in the Middle East. And I can tell you one thing, that was an incredible eye-opener. When you get back to this country, if you don't appreciate it, I think you ought to go and seek some help. I got to tell you, it's just a joy to hear you say these things. And

It's what I often say. And we get our perspectives in different ways. I mean, part of the reason I appreciate this country is because my parents grew up in parts of the world where they did not have this. My mother was in East Germany, communist East Germany. My father was in Greece during the war. The communists tried to take over. So when they had the privilege to come to the United States of America, they understood this is, we don't deserve this. This is an honor.

We get to do this. We get to raise our kids as Americans. So my brother and I were raised to know that this is not normal. What we have here is not normal. This is a gift from God. It's a blessing. We need to cherish it. We need to celebrate it.

We need to teach our kids and anyone we can what it is and why it's beautiful and why we need to spread it around. And you're sharing what you're doing with United We Pledge. I've not heard of them before. So this is a big deal. yield that they, the way they want to do this, and you're obviously helping them, trying to draw attention to this, they want to create the American village. Is that what they call it? That's correct. Yeah, it's in Utah that they're going to actually build a duplicate American

village in Utah. And when you say the attention, Eric, that's the reason that I do these things, because the attention is the bridge between one human mind and another. Without the attention, you don't have that bridge. So the reason that I started. doing these things in 1998 was to get people's attention. And that would create a bridge between minds. And then I could deliver whatever message that I was delivering. And the message I'm delivering now is that freedom matters. And it's special. This experiment in the United States of America is the greatest experiment in the history of humankind. That's huge. Okay. And it doesn't exist anywhere else. Is the United States of America perfect? No. Are there people,

flooding into here because it's racist to the core and there's no opportunity? I think not. You know, they get it. And I think that what I'm doing really is an effort to reignite patriotism in this country and in particular in the youth. Well, it is a beautiful thing. It thrills me that you're using your platform and the talents. God has really blessed you to be able to do this. and it is beautiful. Now, I want to ask you, so you're saying that United We Pledge already has something called the American Village in Montevallo, Alabama, because I had not heard about this till today. No, what I'm saying is that Montevillo, Alabama is an American village. And the United We Pledge has partnered with a company called Balance of Nature, and they procured about 40 acres of land in Utah that they're going to,

going to recreate an American village there. That's what I'm saying. So there is an American village in Alabama already. Yes. But I had not heard about this. Like I want to go to Montevallo, Alabama now that I've literally not heard about this. And you should. I hadn't heard about it either until they brought it up.

And then when they brought it up to me and they came up with this idea of me running from Montevillo, Alabama to St. George Udala to break around for this thing, you know, I think that we have a whole mind body, right? you have your gut, you have your heart, you have your head. And all three have brain cells. My gut just goes, go for it. My heart was like, oh, you've got to do this.

You know, and then my mind just said, yeah, it's a resounding, yes. This is the right time, the right place, and the right thing. So then when I visited Montevillo, Alabama and saw with my own two eyes the impact that this American village had with these kids, it was just like, oh, man, let's get going. Where's Montevallo, Alabama? Is that near any of the big cities in Alabama? It's Montevillo, Alabama is near, what is it? Montgomery. Birmingham. Near Birmingham, okay.

Yeah. Because I had not heard of the American village in Alabama, so I'm thrilled about this. I want to visit it. I've been to colonial Williamsburg, obviously. anything like this where you can especially get young people to see this, to experience this, it's just beautiful. It's just beautiful. It does something that's vital. So I'm thrilled that they're wanting to do this in Utah. And you said Balance of Nature, this is the products. They're involved in this as well. Correct. The CEO of Balance of Nature, the owner came

up with this great idea, United We Pledge. And so it's his brainchild. And so they're the ones that are behind it and they separated it out as a nonprofit. So that's, you know, the balance of nature is a fruit and vegetable supplement that I ran across about a year and a half ago and liked it so much. I called them on the phone and I'm like, hey, I get stuff thrown at me all day. Every day, half of it I won't take. The other half of it doesn't do much. But after taking this for a few months. I think you guys got something here. And then so the relationship developed from there. I take balance in nature every day. It's kind of a new thing for me. So I'm glad to know that they're involved in this unitedwe pledge.org. So, and what is your website quitproof.com? What is that?

So I do mental strength and resilience coaching for other professional athletes, corporate executives and just basically anybody that wants it. You know, I've, with stone tools and carving knives, I've built quite a palace, you know, and I've learned a lot along the way. And so I'm able to take that experience and I'm able to help other people get mentally stronger and become more resilient. And, you know, quitting's a habit like anything's a habit. The first time you quit, you like kick yourself in the pants and you're like, oh, gosh,

I'm not going to do that again. Next time you quit, it gets a little easier. next time you quit, it gets a little easier. Next time you quit, now all of a sudden, you're habitual quitter. So I've come up with a lot of different ways to help people become, like I said, mentally stronger and more resilient and quit things less. Well, people want to know, too, you know, when you're running, you and I are about the same age. I never felt the effects of aging until the last few years, and suddenly there are aches and things.

and you realize, wow, you know, running a marathon or doing something like that, suddenly that's the problem. It's not just, you know, the normal problem. But so you have remained just extremely fit for decades, and you're doing stuff that most people just can't imagine. What is your advice to people in terms of exercise and that kind of thing? Because clearly there's a connection to the mind and to the soul and the body. I mean, it's between them.

There's connection or among them. There's connection. 100% Eric. And the thing is that the mind controls everything. So, you know, the secret to becoming successful is to understand this. You become your thoughts. So be careful about what you think about, right? Because what you think about, you know, that becomes your actions.

Be careful of your actions because your actions, those become your habits. And be careful of your habits because your habits, they're the compass that drives your entire life. So be careful of your thoughts. And think positive things because I can tell you one thing, you, the person that you listen to the most is you. You know? So tell yourself good things. Tell yourself strong things. You know, the mind drives the machine. We're going to go to a break. Final segment coming up with Tom Jones. Powerful stuff, folks. We'll be right back. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis and they have no clue how to fix it. Oil prices have skyrocketed, and when oil prices go up, the cost of

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online at LegacyPMinvestments.com. Folks, I'm having a fun and important conversation. I like all my conversations to be fun and important with Tom Jones. He's an extreme athlete, Marine veteran, doing something right now that is amazing. He is running across most of the country a marathon a day to draw attention to the ideas of patriotism, faith, and specifically Unitedwe pledge.org building a replica of this American village. that's in Montevello, Alabama. They want to do that in Utah, which is where he's going to end up.

So, Tom, I've got to ask you, when you're running, at what pace do you run so that this is possible? Because, I mean, I just really, again, can hardly imagine to go 26 miles in a day and then to do it the next day and the next day. How do you, what have you settled into at this point that makes this possible for you? It's 26.2 miles a day, and I can tell you one thing, those last 6.2 miles, those are the ones that kick your butt. So what I've settled into is a pace of right around 4 to 5 miles an hour. I mean, it's just unbelievable to me that you are able to do this.

And so you're doing this every day, and you're about halfway from Montevallo, Alabama, to this place in Utah. So where does that put you now in Texas? Yeah, that puts me in Arlington, Texas. Texas. So we're approaching halfway through it. And so I think in two days we'll have been at this 30 days. We're going to be doing 76 of them in a row this time. You know, last time I did this, I did 121 marathons in a row, but that was back in 2000. And my pace was much faster than it is now. Although, you know, it's just a matter of being quitproof, man. It's a matter of being what? Quit proof.

Quit proof. There's a good plug for the website. Quitproof.com. Well, I just love it. And what you said when we went to the break before that, who do you listen to the most of all in life? Yourself? That's a huge observation.

What are you telling yourself? What are the thoughts that you're having? And it's so funny because the Bible is so clear on this. What does God say we are? God says we're infinitely valuable. that he died for us. We're made in his image. When you believe that, first of all, you're believing truth,

but also you're allowing yourself to be in tune with what is right and true. But we have the freedom to say negative, destructive things to ourselves, just like we have the freedom to be destructive with our own, with our physical health. And it's so interesting to me that you link this, that you link it to. Yeah. Well, and I can also tell you this. So I found out very early in my life that there's two roles, I believe, that we can play in our lives.

We can either play the role of the victim or we can play the role of the victor, right? And that is really what it boils down to. So what kind of dialogue are you going to have with yourself? Are you going to have the victim mentality and tell yourself that, oh, because of circumstances, I couldn't do this, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do the other thing. Are you going to take the victorious role, the role of the victor, and say, you know what? We live in the greatest country on the planet and this country allows us to do anything that we want to do. All we got to do is roll our sleeves up and get to it, you know,

and think the right kind of thoughts. Again, your thoughts become your actions. Your actions becomes your habits. Your habits are what drives you through life. Do you have healthy habits? Do you have unhealthy habits? You know, be nice to yourself for good and sake. Yeah. And I'll tell you, What fascinates me really is like, you know that that works. You know that this is right. But they're people that they've got all these, you know, reasons not to do it. And to them, I would simply say, okay, whatever. But here's the issue.

It is God's will for you to think those positive thoughts. It is God's will for you to have his opinion of you, not your own opinion or the negative opinion of somebody who raised you. or it is God's will that you hear what he has to say about you and that you agree with that. And I think if you don't believe in God, you know, you can just say, well, I can do whatever I want. I can just destroy myself. But if you realize, like, no, he wants to bless you. He wants you to be victorious. He wants to use you for his purposes.

That's his will. And it's beautiful for me just to see you letting him use you for his purposes. to bring attention to the greatness of this nation, to the great ideas of freedom and this kind of thing. If there's anybody who would have excuses, you would have excuses growing up in the foster system, abused. I mean, but you choose to believe what is true over those other voices. It's from your lips to God's ears, and I mean that,

because we are the divine creations of God, right? And that's what we are. heart of God. And all we got to do is look in the mirror and we got to embrace that and we got to grab the wheel and we got to drive, right? The mine's like this big D-9 dirt mover, right, with a little guy on top driving it. So, you know, what are you going to do? Let go of the wheel and let that thing run into the ditch. Are you going to keep both hands on the wheel of that incredible machine and drive it in the right direction? I just love it. So your website is quitproof.com. quit proof,

Q-U-I-T-Proof.com. And United We Pledge. People can find out more at United We Pledge.org. Tom Jones, we are just proud of you and glad to get to know you. I'm glad my audience gets to know you. And we're just excited that you're doing all of this. It's absolutely wonderful.

Look forward to having you back another time. Look forward to meeting you in person, maybe running with you sometime. God bless you. Tom Jones. Thank you so much. Yeah. And thank you, Eric, for having me on because this is a team thing, right? Because without people like you, the word

can't get out. So I consider you and I to be a team, and I'm really proud to know you and be part of your team. And I can't thank you and your listeners enough. And we're raising money to build this American village. So if they go on United We Pledge.org, consider making a donation

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Tell my audience what you can that they wouldn't know about this film. How hard it was to get the research to actually make it. It comes across because of Dinesh's talent as a very sort of elegant package. But the true story of how it came to be and the amount of data and the amount of heartache that we had to juggle was significant. Well, I guess I want to get to that because there are people, let's be honest, if you've seen the film, and again, it's 2,000 mules, since we're not affiliated with Fox News Channel, we're allowed to promote the film 2,000 mules. And I want to say that if you've seen the

film and if you don't have an animus against what it says, it's rather obvious that it's, its complicated forensics went into this. And so I love the way people just kind of wave it aside. Catherine, I mean, anybody who knows you or bothers to get to know you knows that you don't take this lightly. You're not some activists. You care about the truth. So describe to my audience who haven't yet seen the film, what is the forensics involved where you're able to pinpoint dramatic levels of criminal activity?

I mean, again, this is dramatic doesn't really do it justice. Go ahead. Right. Absolutely. Well, what we relied upon was cell phone data taken from your apps, apps on your phone. So this is a technology that's really only been in play for the last four or five years at this level. It is reliant upon apps on your phone that are sending up signals that give a great deal of information about your location, about everything from your lat long to the elevation of the phone, and, of course, the time.

And so with that as the backdrop, as you begin to aggregate apps, you begin to get a very clear picture of what a pattern of life looks like. And that's broadly referred to as geospatial data. So that's the data that we purchased to begin to ferret out the patterns of abuse around drop boxes, which we determined by frequency. How many visits were paid to drop boxes? and you can do that again by creating a basic digital fence. The whole world is geocoded digitally, digital fence around the drop box, and then how many times a cell phone went through that fence?

It's a simple equation, far more complicated than it sounds, but it's a simple equation that then after, you know, when you have that much data, you can begin to see patterns rather quickly. So what are people saying, because I've looked at a couple of articles where people are trying to poke holes in this. And I think, frankly, it's impossible to. If you've seen the film and you're at least halfway honest, I don't know how anybody can possibly poke holes in this, but they're trying. What are they saying? Sure.

I'm seeing three things. The first is just sort of a general attempt to disregard the science behind the geospatial data, as if it's inaccurate. And what's curious about that is the same data that we used is the same type of data is what's being used in the J6 committee and was used to arrest hundreds of people. The same data was used by the CDC to make sure that people socially distanced and stayed in their homes. This is very, it's used by law enforcement all day, every day. I mean, the military uses it to call in drone strikes.

This is very exacting data. So to dismiss it is, you know, is not, it just doesn't make sense. I mean, you can't be intellectually honest and dismiss the data. That's number one. Number two is we're hearing people say, well, why didn't you show the same person going to multiple drop boxes? And that's a fair ask. The fact is that we have very, what you saw, the data that you saw, the video that you saw was remarkably clear. And that was true in about two of the dozens of cameras that we retained the video for.

Most of the video is awful. Is pointed at the ground. Is pointed at a corner? Is the lens is covered with debris? It's or it wasn't there at all. And so while we have video that shows, when we know this because of the geocode, we know this because of the pings, we know it's the same person. But, you know, you're expecting people, I think, are expecting.

to see on the big screen, you know, the full, the full frontal of these people going box to box to box. And I wish that that were the case. But it's just, you know, the thought that anybody was using this video as video surveillance is just not true. So that was the second thing. And then the third thing, I think, is a question about how do you know what's being put into the drop box? And that's a, you know, that's a longer story for a different day about the exploitation of dirty voter rolls. Well, I want to have you back. But in a couple of minutes, we have left. People often just don't want to believe that this happened or they want to minimize it or they want to make it sound like you're making something of nothing. You're making it

sound significant when it's just minimal stuff. But you do have the goods. In other words, you have a lot of hours. You have a lot of data that you were not able to put into the movie, which I know you will be releasing. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think it's also, you know, our point in all of this is this is a failure of process. This is an exploitation of vulnerable communities. It's voter abuse. I mean, we really have to look at what this really means on both sides of the aisle when you have a process like this that can be so easily abused. It really is. It's just unbelievable. Again, having watched the film a couple of times now, it just beggars belief that the breadth of this operation. I mean, how many people are out there wanting to make a buck, willing to keep their mouths shut, look the other way to do something.

Maybe they think they're helping, you know, their team. Maybe they hated Trump and they thought, well, you know, we're not doing anything really, really wrong. And the more you look into it, the more staggering the breadth of it is that this happened all around the country. We're talking many, many, many thousands of criminal actors. We're going to be right back. a couple of minutes with Catherine Englebrecht, True the Vote, is the website True the Vote. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Catherine Englebrecht, who is with True the Vote, and who really is the principal player behind getting the evidence that Dinesh D'Souza put in his

movie, 2000 Mules. It's simply astonishing. Every single American needs to know what happened, and we have to get the word out. Catherine, I just want to ask you what has been going on? Well, actually, before I ask you that, what is True the Vote and how can people find out more about True The Vote and what you're doing? You can check out trothovote.org. True The Vote is all about the power of citizen engagement and encouraging people to take action. In the 2020 cycle, we became more involved in, let's just call it, election intelligence, the use of this research to try to expose. what was happening. But in the end, it all comes back to the American people. So it's about

getting citizens involved, and there are all kinds of things that you can see and do from our website. Truethevote.org. Right. And it seems to me, you know, if you want to know who are the good guys and the bad guys, all you have to do is see how people behave. And it seems obvious that people have tried to cancel the film. They have tried to wipe it out on Rumble. They've tried to mess with True the Vote. We see this happening over and over and over. They're these really evil people. They don't want the truth to get out about what happened.

What is the latest on this? Because every day there's some new piece of somebody playing some game to squash this. Well, probably the most recent is we were kicked out of our supercomputer lease space. Opsack was, Greg's team was. So, you know, well, I shouldn't say kicked out as much as they just, our lease was set to renew and they're not renewing it next month for this. So there's a lot of things like that that occur. But look, we knew what we were signing up for. We did this is going to be a war.

And it is a war. But, I mean, I was very encouraged you were with us the other day in Las Vegas doing this virtual premiere. And to think that 80,000 people tuned in and many more tried to get in. my wife was among them, and it had been shut down by that point. You could only get 80,000. But the idea that 80,000 people tuned in for this virtual premiere, these are engaged citizens. And I think more and more people are realizing if I don't do something, if I don't spread the word about this, I am to blame for the corruption and for what's going on. What is your hope in terms of arrests? Everybody keeps asking, is anybody going to get arrested? What do you suppose might be coming?

Well, look, I have great hope, but I also know that these are very long and involved investigations. And to really get to the source, you have to track the money. And this will involve law enforcement stepping in and using the tools that they have that, frankly, we don't, to do just that to really peel the layers back. I'm very hopeful. But it is so, you know, this is such a highly charged subject. and the vast majority of law enforcement would rather just scrape this under the rug and pretend like it never happened. So we'll see.

I'm hopeful, but regardless, we have to press off. But we know that there are some good folks out there. Listen, how many Americans have been praying and praying and praying that somebody will step up? We know that it will happen. Catherine Englebrecht, we're really grateful to God for you, for your courage in the midst of this. You represent millions, scores of millions of Americans who want to know what happened. I want to tell people, please see 2,000 mules. You can go to 2,000 mules.com and do whatever you can just to get the word out,

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